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I blame Tetsuya Nomura.
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Of course... Who else to blame?
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Of course... Who else to blame?
You know, I wrote a whole article on how I thought Tetsuya Nomura sucked... let me copy/paste...
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1289273#bbspost23645649_post_text
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"Selling out" is the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for money or "success" (however defined).[1] It is commonly associated with attempts to tailor material to a mainstream audience. Any artist who expands their creative path to encompass a wider audience, as opposed to continuing in the genre and venues of their initial success, may be disdainfully labeled by disapproving fans as a sellout. Sometimes a sellout is seen as a person that is disloyal to a group to which he or she belongs (usually ethnic group) in order to gain money or become "successful". Selling out is often seen as gaining success at the cost of credibility.
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Kingdom Hearts is the first appearance of "emo" Cloud. It fit for the game because he was in the game as a boss battle, a servant of hades, which made for a fun fight. After you beat him though, obviously they were not going to leave him as just a bad guy, so he has a talk with Sora about how he had a struggle against his inner darkness, fitting the kingdom hearts theme. (Not to mention he stole Vincent's cape, glove, and wing. Wtf?)
The problem is that Square Enix just rolled with it and put "emo" cloud back into main entries in the series, starting with Advent Children. Even though Cloud's emoness is explained in the movie, and that he had deep guilt and regret for not being able to save either Aerith or Zax from dying, he had already reconciled those feelings when Tifa was f*cking around in his subconscious mind. After Cloud recovered, he was back to his former self, which was a likable, witty, arrogant, flirtatious hero. It didn't make sense for him to relapse back into those feelings, and so he was rejected by people who grew up liking the original game and was adopted by those weird anime cosplayers who swear Kingdom Hearts' story is really good and not at all convoluted. (I actually like Kingdom Hearts somewhat, but I feel like it's got to the point of ridiculous.)
Every entry Cloud was ever featured in from then on out was emo, and so the real cloud faded into myth and legend among older gamers. Now one of the main reasons FF7 is bashed is because of its spinoffs' representation of Cloud.
But it all goes back to two simple points for me: One, Square Enix could make the game with slightly updated graphics and keep everything the same. I know some people would be upset it would be the same, but not many, and the game would sell like crazy. It wouldn't even take much cost at all if they made it as a handheld game of some sort. Two, even if they did f*ck it up at least people would finally stop talking and asking for it, and it wouldn't affect those who still play the original.
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Did I send that picture to you? Luksy sent it to me. I like it. ;D 8-)
It isn't just Nomura though... it is everyone else that has allowed it to happen and more importantly, the fanbase that keep buying this shit.
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Did I send that picture to you? Luksy sent it to me. I like it. ;D 8-)
It isn't just Nomura though... it is everyone else that has allowed it to happen and more importantly, the fanbase that keep buying this sh*t.
Well if something FF7 related comes out, I will likely buy it. I gotta keep the hope...
But Nomura is the main character designer and was director of Advent Children... He also helped to spearhead the Compilation of FF7. He's had a huge impact on what has happened.
It also doesn't help that basically everyone from the original Squaresoft team has up and left the company to start Mistwalker (or whatever they are called) which is apparently making some great games these days.
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Did I send that picture to you?
Nope. Found it from another member of this forum, through that shit that is Facebook... but that's another story.
It isn't just Nomura though... it is everyone else that has allowed it to happen and more importantly, the fanbase that keep buying this shit.
As for the fanbase, you can't really blame them. Gamers get younger and they were used to almost real graphics such as FFXIII. I have FFVII for the PSX (which I play on my PS3) and I asked some of my friends "If I lend it to you, would you play it?"; the answer was always "No". That did upset me, really. There is also an idea, which I have in mind since a very, very long time.
Who wants a good remake of Final Fantasy VII? Obviously, many members of Qhimm. The idea I had is to contact Square and ask for rights of FFVII, then make the remake ourselves. They would make the engine and models, we would do the remake. I know this may seem a bit out of sight for many, but the only sure way to fail is to not try.
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The idea I had is to contact Square and ask for rights of FFVII, then make the remake ourselves.
Why not...
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Yeah, I hate what they did to Cloud too...
But remember, Square are faithful with remakes, so Cloud would be his strong confident self again.
*but* at the end of AC he changed, and since we only saw a tiny bit of him in Cerberus, we can't really tell if he's the same as in FF7.
I wouldn't take his Dissidia design seriously either, every character in the original Dissidia had an amano costume, or their original altered to match amano art. Zidane and Squall are examples :P
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Reminds me of that thread I made a while back with a screenshot of Ehrgeiz showing how much more muscular cloud was back in the 90s.
Honestly I liked the anime-type style FF7 used, and I still do, even though I generally dislike anime. But I don't like what they have done do the male characters, and how
they've felt the need to bring them closer to anorexia in each iteration. It was especially bad when they adopted the AC style realistic designs, because even though they
may have realistic faces, the rest of them was far from it.
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The new Cloud is so depressive.
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Purposefully so...
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I blame Tetsuya Nomura.
Me too.
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I also blame angst filled emo teenagers.
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There was a time FF was compared with quality. They were equal.
This picture pretty much sums up the FF de-evolution since the nineties. These days FF hardly means quality. More like quantity...
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Cash-in trumps Quality.
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Cash-in trumps Quality.
The CoD series learned that quick... ugh.
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Where did it go wrong, though?
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I blame the millions he gains and the newbie or thick headed fans which he obviously realized by now 'Wow if i sell them sh*t they still buy the sh*t, no need to work my ass off il still get my millions anyway 8) :evil:' meh..
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Ya...even though i like some elements and characters in the newer FFs, it's not like i really appreciated them as a whole. Has anyone tried FF14?.....FF11 was alright but i just didn't get turned on by the videos of the FFonline game.....
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I would like a Square make special story for Sephiroth , from the beginning of his childhood and how he lived between his mother and his father, and how his mother turned into a monster and by whom? , And what happened to him and how do you know the two characters, namely Angel and Genesis..etc
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I would like a Square make special story for Sephiroth , from the beginning of his childhood and how he lived between his mother and his father, and how his mother turned into a monster and by whom? , And what happened to him and how do you know the two characters, namely Angel and Genesis..etc
Have we been playing the same games? :o
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Sephiroth's mother was Lucrecia and she was no monster. Jenova's cells were used to make Sephiroth a super human. Jenova is an extraterrestrial who landed on earth (Calamity from the Sky)... she was not a monster, she was another species from another world. Asking why she looked different would be like asking why a human looks like a human.
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Have we been playing the same games? :o
Are you see Sephiroth how he is live from beginning of his childhood also you can playing by Sephiroth to end, like PSP Game Zack Fairy ?
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Are you see Sephiroth how he is live from beginning of his childhood also you can playing by Sephiroth to end, like PSP Game Zack Fairy ?
Wtf? I saw you post something with this name in it before and I resisted corrected but now I have to. It's Zack Fair, not Fairy.
Ya...even though i like some elements and characters in the newer FFs, it's not like i really appreciated them as a whole. Has anyone tried FF14?.....FF11 was alright but i just didn't get turned on by the videos of the FFonline game.....
I personally cannot stand online FF games being numbered entries into the series. They should be named FFOnline 1 & 2.
Sephiroth's mother was Lucrecia and she was no monster. Jenova's cells were used to make Sephiroth a super human. Jenova is an extraterrestrial who landed on earth (Calamity from the Sky)... she was not a monster, she was another species from another world. Asking why she looked different would be like asking why a human looks like a human.
I still can't believe Vincent had a thing for Sephiroth's mom. In fact, Vincent was very close to becoming Sephiroth's father. But, instead it was Hojo, and even knowing that Vincent still had a thing for Lucrecia... Wouldn't you think having a kid with Hojo, let alone experimenting on the child, would be fucked up enough to ruin Lucrecia's image for Vincent?
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i wrong thank you for corrected :-X
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It would have been Zax Fair but for the translation error... In my world, it is.
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It would have been Zax Fair but for the translation error... In my world, it is.
I like that better too, but if you would have told me the correct translation was fairy, i would definitely prefer the error.
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... was fairy, i would definitely prefer the error.
lol
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what is funny for that ?
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what is funny for that ?
Well a "fairy" is something like tinkerbell (https://www.google.gr/search?q=tinkerbell&hl=el&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=2H4&rls=org.mozilla:el:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=1RjGT8_eJMaL8gP7n8T9BQ&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=597&bih=410)
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Have we been playing the same games? :o
ditto to the question.
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Well if you don't know that is not my important for me :D
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Well if you don't know that is not my important for me :D
Not to be a dick, but can you learn to type proper English?
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ok ok hold on i learn as you wish
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^ Poor guy but so polite, I like him.
I have to say I haven't liked anything related to FF7 since the actual game, Loveless, the psp game with Zax, Dirge of Cerberus or the live action movie. None of them have captured that feeling I get from ff7, a particular pet hate for me is Kingdom hearts, I have no idea why but that one winged thing really annoys me.
Oh by the way... That is an awesome picture.
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Not to be a dick, but can you learn to type proper English?
Not everyone here is a native English speaker.
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...or the live action movie.
Live action movie? O.o, do you mean Advent Children? That was computer animation....
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Yeah... That's what I meant my bad guys was half asleep while writing that. I really should double check what I write when I'm sleepy. :D
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I'm very mixed on the subject. I'd LOVE a remake...provided they dont change things....which we've all seen CC....They WILL.
Theyve just changed so much about it...they'd probably add Genesis and more Zack seens and change dialouge to be PG appropriate....which is horrible...imagine barret saying things like "I'm gonna kick your butt!" ....now THATS gangsta.
I don't have any clue how they would go about making cloud dress as a woman, and somehow smuggle his buster sword and normal clothes into Don Corneo's with up to date graphics....back in 97 it was ok to do a little spin and vuala!....But I don't think that would fly very well with new graphics.
I was extremely excited to see a prequel comming out where you play as Zack. It filled me with joy....but when I played it I realised how different my image of zack was from square's. I pictured him to act more like Angeal...just without all the honor and dreams....I thought CC would revolve more around the Wutai war....but no we get to fight 4 wutai soldiers and thats somehow a war?....anyone see the full scale epic battle in dirge of cerberus? THATS a war....and it was just one battle.
CC should have focused more on the war...It should have been dark, morbid, and sad. Instead its like...."yay we're goin to war!!!" It's almost like Shinras just a big highschool >.>
There should have been tanks...corpses....Zack suppose to be a badass...not Sora with black hair. I mean come on! ITS SHINRA!!! This is the one game where they could've been as ruthless as they wanted...
And I know we're talking about a remake here and not CC...but these are my reasons for being scepticle. I've seen their trend....Squaresoft was awesome and origional...square enix is all about flashy bubbly anime graphics....I KNOW theyre gonna add and subtract and theyll definatley screw up the voice acting....
On the other hand I'd love to see FF7 as a hack and slash rather than turn based. If they did that....maybe hit R1 or R2 to switch characters? Thatd be awesome. But if it means creating a whole new generation of FF7 fans that arent really FF7 fans....then no...I'd rather just dream about it.
When an artist creates something it no longer belongs to them...it belongs to us...the world lol. And square doesn't give two shits about what the fans think. Thats why I love KOEI. :P
Squares kinda like the game version of Metallica....they use to be AWESOME....then they started sucking and sueing their fans XD
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Barrett never swore all the time in the original Japanese... that was added by the English localiser. So expect a better translation to change him. He was not meant to be a "gangsta". They may tone Cid down too and other things but VII was never intended to be the way it ended up in English.
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I personally cannot stand online FF games being numbered entries into the series. They should be named FFOnline 1 & 2.
I AGREE
Barrett never swore all the time in the original Japanese... that was added by the English localiser. So expect a better translation to change him. He was not meant to be a "gangsta". They may tone Cid down too and other things but VII was never intended to be the way it ended up in English.
True....still...I think you understand the fine points of my argument lol. Its GOING to get changed. And I'm not cool with that...not that they need my approval lol.
As for Barret being "gangsta" There arent many things in this world more gangster-stereotype than a big black guy with a machine gun strapped to his arm who also lives in the ghetto..and flips the bird to the man by blowing up parts of a city >.>.....IMO lol. Perhaps terrorist is a better word but I was referring to his personality...which..sure...probably different in japanese...I'm not worried about japanese voice acting though...they don't suck.....I'm worried about the cheesey english...it just doesnt feel real when they talk.
I'm mostly worried about story changers though. For example in CC it really bugged me when Genesis showed up in the Nibelheim reactor... and they made it seem like Genesis is responsible for Seph snapping. It bugs me enough as it is that theyd add two more one winged angels in a prequel....I mean I like them just fine...Angeals awesome. Genesis not so much...but Sephiroth was suppose to be one of a kind i thought. I'm rambling now.
But those are the main reasons I'm against it. The only reasons I have for wanting a remake are...I wanna see the game in new graphics like everyone else...and I'd like to play it with a different battle system. But thats pretty much it.
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DLPB I am going to try to say this without being offensive.
People played FFVII with the bad localization and grew to love it. Why is it such a vexxing flaw then? Personally, I cringe when I see text changes however "more accurate" they may be. What if I was on some island and someone told me about Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches except they were made with Almond Butter. I ate Almond Butter and Jelly sandwiches all my life and thought they were the greatest thing ever. Then someone from the mainland came and said "that i wrong, you are suppose to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches." Should I enjoy Almond Butter and Jelly sandwiches any less? Are they necessarily inferior to the intended sandwich? Whatever laws exist in FFVII, millions of people played it as it was, and love it because of what it was. Altering it 15 years later to be more faithful to the true intentions of the creators is not necessarily an improvement. I know it is your opinion, so I'm glad you enjoy better translation. But if Barret went around saying "Hi Ho the darrio" as a catchphrase and I played the game and loved it even though he was suppose to say "That giant pizza in the sky", most people would probably prefer him to say the incorrect, but initially meaningful phrase, than the after-the-fact accurate phrase. You probably already know all this, but I figured I'd say something to get your thoughts.
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I don't think anyone has the right to take someone elses work and mangle it. There is a difference between making Barrett sound gruff and slangy... the way he should be, and taking it further and modelling him after B.A. Baracus.
The latter is clearly unprofessional and wrong. It takes a writer's work and degrades it. You may like Barrett to sound like a gangsta, but I think it is a dumb caricature which has butchered someone elses work. The localisation that I and Luksy have made (and that any decent localiser would make) maintains barrett's aggressive and slangy character, without the need to make him a silly rip off of a famous black guy. In fact I'd say 90% of the dialogue is v similar if not the same.
What you like, does not enter into it. And nostalgia is not a good reason. If we go down that route, we may as well keep every mistake. People should break free of blind fanboyism and nostalgia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
If I want B.A. Baracus I will watch this>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM
;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zgQGfBOnh8&t=02m22s
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Yes he was intended to sound gruff and slangy in the origional japanese. In america however, thats pretty damn casual so they had to up it a little....so we got the "gangsta" stereotype. I'm not saying he should still act gangster or that he shouldnt...i dont even care. I'm saying I don't want changed dialouge. And as for being a blind fanboy...>.> didn't I just give a giant speech about how much CC and DoC suck? And I know it doesnt matter what I think..Doesnt matter what anyone thinks square does what square wants..I was under the impression we were discussing our opinions on an ff7 remake though...which is why i happen to say "I would like" and "I would not like"..or is having an opinion forbidden here..?
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Barrett never swore all the time in the original Japanese... that was added by the English localiser. So expect a better translation to change him. He was not meant to be a "gangsta". They may tone Cid down too and other things but VII was never intended to be the way it ended up in English.
Not exactly. Barret was considerably different in his dialect than the main cast. He may not have swore back and forth like he did in the English Dialogue, but he was most certainly a 'thug'-esque character.
Some of you may call it 'butchering' but imagine Barret speaking like any average American, was the 'different impression' given off in his dialogue in the Japanese version kept? No, it isn't. It was brought to that extent, I feel, to show the difference in Character through the society and the original translation had to be sacrificed for that. Barrets gruff and aggressive nature wouldn't have been much different from the average Americans perspective- His character archetype would have been lost. Now if a remake happened and it had the emphasis and power of voice acting to convey as such, it could have been toned down to an additional 'damn' here or there, but personally I feel they were only trying to show Barrets intense difference with the way he acted and spoke and not specially what he was saying, just the impression it would've given. These impressions and standards ARE different between countries.
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More people than just Americans play VII in English. And Barrett is most certainly not a thug. The reason barrett ended up the way he did was because 1 man decided it. That was it...
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More people than just Americans play VII in English. And Barrett is most certainly not a thug.
I see you had nothing to counter my argument. *tips hat* I win, then, laddie.
Oh, he isn't? I believe I said, Thug-esque. If you want to be a nitpicker yourself, pick your words carefully there, aye?
He has a gun strapped to his arm
He grows up in a place that is stricken with poverty and problems
Said place is heavily associated with the crimes and evils with a corrupt government
He rages against the system with a rebel group and blows things up in a show of defiance to it
Ahem, you were saying?
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Cid is the real sh*t-talker in FFVII, from what we've done so far he's the only one who's actually used a fairly strong swearword in the Japanese, Barrett just sounds like "average tough guy at the bar".
DLPB I am going to try to say this without being offensive...
Just my 2 gil:
I get you LostWing, FFVII for you (and it goes without saying me & DLPB) holds a particular place in our memories, but each one of our experiences was of course unique.
For me the dialogue in FFVII was full of "huh?" moments back when I first played it, but the story and characters still shone through. Still that thought stuck at the back of my mind for 10+ years before I actually thought to myself "What was actually said there in the original? Why did that sound so awkward?", that's when I poked around and found the Qhimm forums, and DLPB and his project.
When I first started I honestly completely underestimated everything, from the amount of dialog, to just how many errors there actually are in the original English. We all know the famous "this guy are sick" etc., but those little grammatical errors are only the tip of the iceberg.
I've hardly spent a single day on this project without a serious semantical error cropping up in the dialogue, we're not talking "touph ring" or "off course" any more; take for instance Yuffie's dialogue aboard the Highwind.
Original
{YUFFIE}
“Are you waiting for {CLOUD}?”{NEW}
“He's flying right now, so you can't get him.”{NEW}
“Were you going to force me
into the submarine right now?”{NEW}
“Quit it!
If you want to go, then just leave me behind.”{NEW}
“…ooooooh.
What're you talking about? I…”
As localized by DLBP, not literal but captures the meaning better
{YUFFIE}
“{CLOUD}…
Have you decided
where we're goin' yet?”{NEW}
“Come on!
I can't take much more of this!”{NEW}
“Hey,you're not thinkin' of shovin'
me in that crappy sub,are you!?”{NEW}
“I won't go! Never!
Leave me here,
leave me here!”{NEW}
“…Urrrrk.
What am I saying…?”
whoever did this misread the first line, then used the wrong grammatical person, and as a result had to fit the second line to match it somehow. What we ended up with is a nonsensical mess (actually I'm still not 100% sure I've got it right either...)
Big deal, it's only one minor dialogue from an optional character I hear you say. But that's the thing, there are truckloads of these errors, including quite a few that directly affect major events in subtle ways (off the top of my head Niblheim past & present has a generous helping).
I understand you want your memories of the game to stay the same, quirks and all, and that's fine; I just hope that you can appreciate my point of view too.
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So we're trying this new program that automatically deletes posts that seem whiny or overly immature. If anyone notices their posts missing, it could be due to this new program...
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So we're trying this new program that automatically deletes posts that seem whiny or overly immature. If anyone notices their posts missing, it could be due to this new program...
This makes me want a thumbs up or a like button now. :-P
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edit. ^ his post was deleted.
It is really simple. Barrett is a character created by a Japanese team of writers who expected a competent job on their work. If J K Rowling went over to Japan and found out Harry Potter spoke in some kind of gangsta equivalent, she would not be happy.
No one has the right to take someone elses work and do what they like with it. Your personal preferences do not come into it. A localiser has the right to make the game sound good to a westerner WITHIN the boundaries of keeping the characters and facts the same. This did not happen. Barrett was made into a dumb black guy ripped off from a famous american black guy.
There is no way around this. There is no argument to be made. Until you can fathom that the original Barrett was every bit the mistake that the Aeris spelling was, you will get nowhere. I have not personally abused you. I have told you that you are flat out wrong, and now you get into a hissy fit. To quote Cloud... I'm not interested.
I don't think you have even bothered to read half the stuff I have put up otherwise you'd see only parts of his dialogue-type has been changed. The use of spelling mistakes, his use of $$^^$$#^^% all over, and other things that portray "Stereotypical black man gangsta" 90% is actually much the same.
The truth is, you can't accept someone else's opinion without bringing it to an extreme personal level.
I will sum it up for you a last time:
- I have nothing against you liking the original Barrett, however wrongly translated he was.
- I have nothing against you liking the original localisation, however bad it was.
- I have nothing against you choosing to ignore our project or not use it.
And then:
- I do have a problem with you criticising our project because it doesn't do what you want it to do (namely... leave all the mistakes because you liked the mistakes...)
- I do have a problem with you criticising a project you have never even looked into properly
- I do have a problem with you protecting a flawed original game just because you personally liked it.
- I do have a problem with you making ridiculous analogies with sandwiches, ignoring that this is a work of art created by someone else. Making a point that your personal preference supersedes the actual writers is in my opinion... awful.
- I do have a problem with you failing to realise that your position on this is absurd. You are choosing to elevate 1 man (Michael Baskett) to an almost god-like position of authority on VII when it is clear he got tons of things wrong. You want me to join you in this delusion and if I don't, you get mad about it.
- Finally, I do have a problem with you failing to realise that although you like the original localisation because YOU grew up with it, other people may now have the chance to grow up on OURS. Who is right then, at the end? I am sure they would use the same argument you do now. You know what the difference is? They would have been playing something that had far far less mistakes and bad English. And... they would have been playing Final Fantasy VII as intended... not how 1 man messed up. Think about it.
The position that something is right because it was done that way years ago is ridiculous. To adhere so strongly to the original for the sole reason that it was the original, makes absolutely NO sense and is completely illogical. Expecting a translation project to leave mistakes in or simply not exist at all because you liked the mistakes is down right crazy.
BY all means, like the original. But please do not try to make excuses for it, or tell me (or infer) that I what I am doing is wrong, when it is quite the opposite.
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I actually very much liked the gangsta Barret. He was funny, tough, sensitive, and a badass.
But when doing a translation, faithfulness to the original is most important. For a pb & j analogy, it may have been an almond sandwich you liked better all along but if you want to ever tell someone you like it you must tell them you like almond sandwiches, not pb and j's. Or in otherwords, liking a mistranslation and not the more accurate one.
We all have preferences, and as many that can stay out unless supported by evidence should stay out. That's not to say someone couldnt make an alternate version with gangsta barret, but it is important to start with an accurate foundation.
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How do we always end up with the same conversation?
Seriously, nowadays we always end up with either a discussion on a remake or the translation.
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I was to blame here. Originally. I should keep my fat gob on my own thread. :evil: The truth is I like my own posts too much. A rare time I can see clear sanity and logic. ;D
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I agree with DLPB...
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My problem isn't with criticism. It is with the mindless "Why are you changing something I grew up and loved" "I don't want you changing the mistakes because...."
That isn't valid or helpful, it just makes me angry.
Personally, I cringe when I see text changes however "more accurate" they may be.
And that makes no sense at all. Cringe at improving mistakes? How can I possibly get through to that kind of mind?
Other games have been retranslated and really improved on what went before... the localisers there sure didn't pay any attention to people who may have preferred "I have information Shinra" etc.
I understand full well the reason some people do not like our project. Earlier criticisms of literal non dialogue were perhaps valid, but here we are simply talking about fanboyism and nostalgia. I have even had 1 guy defend Midgar Zolom because he liked it.
Getting back on topic... any remake of VII would improve the translation, so anyone who thinks they would keep Midgar Zolom or the dialogue mistakes is mad. They have already corrected that one and Proud Clod in later games like IX and XIII.
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Of course your problem isn't with criticism, criticism is good for a project, an outside eye never hurt anyone.
Also Proud Clod... To this day I have been reading it as Proud Cloud, no idea why now I feel stupid.
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Lol, have fun. Asking human beings about their beliefs is prohibited (should be a sticky).
EDIT: Deleted. lmao
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Also Proud Clod... To this day I have been reading it as Proud Cloud, no idea why now I feel stupid.
You aren't the only one. It took me a while to notice the difference and I have to read it twice every time now because I know it's wrong but I STILL read it that way first :)
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Though I have to agree that the majority of "Cloud's" after FFVII are emo, not all of them are. Crisis Core Cloud was pretty on par with his attitude in FFVII. He was happy a lot of the time, showed sadness when talking about not making it to SOLDIER and after arriving in Nibelheim (for the same reason). Square still remembers how to make Cloud a decent likable character and still stay true to the original, whether or not they actually DO stay true to it though may be another story entirely. It's a gamble, but worst-case-scenario if the DO remake VII and DO make him emo and annoyingly depressing, we still have the original, and nobody can take that from us.
Anyway, as for the discussion on translations and the project itself, I have to agree with DLPB. People complain about "correcting" the text saying the original was better, but I think they forget, the original was the JAPANESE title before it even hit the English language. If you are a true fan to the game, you would keep an open mind to the idea of the project, not completely pushing it away before you even touch it. Granted if you still like the original more, that's your opinion and you have a right to it. However, keeping a closed mind away from the idea entirely JUST because of nostalgia is an ignorant thing to do. Change isn't always a bad thing, if nothing ever changed, and everyone was against it, this forum wouldn't be here to begin with.
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And remember people opinions CAN and very often ARE wrong.
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A side-note about Crisis Core : Crisis Core is a really good game. It has a good gameplay (sure, it's almost the same as FFVII's) but should be a game of itself. Not a prequel or any compilation of an already-finished game. Crisis Core would be fine if they didn't add Genesis and Angeal. I liked Angeal in the beginning. Then I began to hate him. His idea of "honor" and how he killed his own mother (sorry for spoilers) and all that. Genesis, while a good character, was simply out of place here. I mean come on, they changed the original story. DoC and AC are just pointless and add nothing to the story. I agree Vincent and Yuffie needed a bigger place, but is that a valid reason to make another game, with the name "Final Fantasy" on it, a First Person Shooter, that adds nothing? No. The answer is no, and that's all. They have their stories, in the original game. I will agree that FF7's story is very hard to understand, but adding a sequel, a prequel or a movie will not help. When I first played FF7 in English, I didn't know much and I thought that such errors like "This guy are sick" were intended, because in my head that game was perfect. I was mistaken, I realized.
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lol Agreed. Had Crisis Core completely left out Angeal and Genesis, I wouldn't complain at all. They changed too much to the story, had it just been some kind of Ex-shinra scientist who helped Hojo or something like that and adding depth and hints to Sephiroth's origins, the game would probably be perfect. But thats just my opinion.
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Something too : Crisis Core is a good game AS-IS, not as a prequel, sequel or whatever.
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Something too : Crisis Core is a good game AS-IS, not as a prequel, sequel or whatever.
though the ending movies totally eliminated the possibility of it being a stand alone side story. That's rather sad