Author Topic: [FF7PC-98] The Reunion (OLD THREAD, SAVED FOR POSTERITY) (Read 1265299 times)

Salk · « **Reply #1650 on:** 2013-06-21 05:58:11 »

It seems I was under the wrong impression that a chocobo is an invented animal race and, as such, doesn't need to follow anatomical traits of any bipedal.

Template · « **Reply #1651 on:** 2013-06-21 12:09:06 »

Look!

Clearly we've tapped into a hot button social issue. I am gonna start a petition to have the code changed to "tickle the chocobo behind its ears".

My stance was that Dan should make it cute and go for the ears over tickling its head. Dan feels it's better to be precise, and it's his mod so that's how it should be. Certainly the option he has chosen isn't any less accurate, and the gratuitous posting about chocobo anatomy should now end as far as this thread is concerned. If it's worth joining the site over to talk about, we can make a new thread in the completely unrelated sub-forum. I apologize officially for derailing the thread. Still. All hail the Ostrich-Bunny. In honor of the new page:

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1652 on:** 2013-06-21 13:34:26 »

Given that the writer was likely under the impression that this was a mammal (soles of feet, belly button) it is also clear he chose the behind the ears for the same reason. There is no way anyone goes up to a bird and even remotely thinks about tickling it behind its ears. It is common sense

I have been to the zoo many times and seen birds there, and I've thought about stroking their feathers, but not once did I think, "Gee... let's tickle it behind its ears." I have done that to a dog though.

This is a completely trivial matter anyway.

Birds, fiction or otherwise, have a defined biology and they certainly don't have belly buttons.

It's not the accuracy that matters here really, it's whether or not it is natural for a character to think or behave this way in the situation. It's a small liberty I have taken in correcting the original writing. Moving on.....

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1653 on:** 2013-06-22 14:49:29 »

Let's have an on-topic post about The Reunion.

This will be looked at further, but it seems pretty good as it is now. The "clones" issue is a problem. The writers use the word "copy" and they don't seem to mean it literally, they kinda mean it as in "contains genetic material"... At least that is what I heard elsewhere... Luksy believes they do mean clone, but that in the end, they aren't clones at all. It's a bit weird really.... See the "copies" are just ordinary humans that have been irradiated with Mako and had Jenova cells implanted. They are nothing more than that... they are not clones or copies in the usual sense (as far as we can see, and from what the official sources say). Sephiroth considers the clones kind of like his brethren, because he too was created using the same processes. But they are just walking freaks created by Mako and Jenova.

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Hojo
“You see, even if Jenova's body is dismembered,
	it will eventually become one again.
	That's what is meant by Jenova's Reunion.”
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Hojo
“I have been waiting for the Reunion to start.
	Five years have passed, and now the clones
	have begun to return.”
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Hojo
“I thought the clones would begin
	to gather at Midgar
	where Jenova is stored.”
------------------------------
“But my predictions were not entirely correct.
	Jenova itself began to move away
	from the Shinra Building.”
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Hojo
“But being the genius that I am,
	I soon figured it out.
	You see it was all Sephiroth's doing.”{NEW}
“Sephiroth is not just content
	to diffuse his will
	into the Lifestream. He wants
	to manipulate the Clones himself.”
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“Yes, that was how it got started.”
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Hojo
“I wondered where the clones were going,
	but I was never able to figure it out.”
------------------------------
“I couldn't figure it out either.”
------------------------------
Hojo
“The one thing that I did know was that
	Sephiroth was at their final destination.”
------------------------------
“I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.”
------------------------------
“I was being summoned by Sephiroth.”
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“All the anger and hatred I bore him,
	made it impossible for me to ever forget him.
	That and what he gave me.”
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“Sephiroth? Sephiroth? 
	I'm here.
	And I brought you the Black Materia.”
------------------------------
“Show yourself to me.
	Where are you?”
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“Sephiroth…
	So we finally meet again.”
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Hojo
“You see,even if Jenova's body is divided,
	all of the parts will eventually converge on
	a single location,restoring her to life.
	This is Jenova's "Reunion".”
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Hojo
“I have waited patiently for the Reunion.
	Five years passed before the clones
	began to move.”
------------------------------
Hojo
“I thought that they would gather
	in Midgar,where I was holding Jenova…”
------------------------------
Hojo
“But I was mistaken…
	Jenova itself began to move away
	from the Shin-Ra Building.”
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Hojo
“…My genius provided the answer…
	It was Sephiroth.”{NEW}
“His will had not been dispersed
	into the Lifestream.”{NEW}
“He was manipulating the clones…”
------------------------------
“Yes,that's how it all started.”
------------------------------
Hojo
“But where were the clones going…?
	That,I was unable to discern.”
------------------------------
“I couldn't figure it out either.”
------------------------------
Hojo
“I was sure of one thing…
	Sephiroth would be at their destination.”
------------------------------
“So,I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth…”
------------------------------
“I was being summoned by him.”
------------------------------
“All of the anger and hatred I bore Sephiroth
	made it impossible for me to ever forget him.
	That was his gift to me…”
------------------------------
“Sephiroth? Sephiroth?  I'm here.
	I've brought you the Black Materia.”
------------------------------
“Please show yourself to me.
	Where are you?”
------------------------------
“Sephiroth…
	I have finally found you.”
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[ Prob better as "We meet at last." / "I have found you at last" We'll see.]

Isuldor · « **Reply #1654 on:** 2013-06-22 19:29:57 »

I get it. It's KAHN! They aren't clones, they're genetically modified. Mutants?

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1655 on:** 2013-06-22 19:37:40 »

Yeah, that's pretty much what they are. The strong willed are enhanced by Jenova cells and Mako, but the weak willed (like Cloud) go off their heads. Sephiroth (at the Great Crater for most of the game) manipulates the clones and Jenova to do his work. The process used on members of Soldier and to create "the clones" is essentially the same. But Hojo for some reason calls them "Copies"... I am not sure if this is deliberate and has some sort of relevance to the plot, or whether the original writers just chose a really lousy word for the process. Maybe there is some mention of this in some official works?

Also, maybe an oversight on the writers' part but at the Temple of the Ancients, Cloud refers to the black cloaked people as Sephiroth's doubles (intended as such like that of Mitosis, and originally laughably translated as "flunkies"), as in, they are linked genetically because of the process they have been through. However, I cannot remember any prior exposition that would tell Cloud that.... Maybe I am just missing something thinking back. The only mention of copies that I can remember prior to this is the report by Hojo which you can choose to read. I will have a good look into this when I go through the game again when this is done.

ps 16 maps left. Should have this done in a week.

Kaldarasha · « **Reply #1656 on:** 2013-06-22 23:55:23 »

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The experiment's procedure -- which involved injecting cells taken from the
headless body of Jenova into the subjects and exposing them to mako -- doesn't
differ from the manufacturing procedure for SOLDIERs. The largest difference
is that SOLDIERs are selected from a prime field, being strong of mind and
body and able to withstand the experiment uninfluenced by Jenova's cells,
whereas the Clones' fragile minds leave them as "portions" of Jenova. The
subjects of the Sephiroth Clones Project were the survivors of the Nibelheim
incident, with absolutely no thought given to sorting them as with SOLDIER,
and -- being unable to maintain their egos -- they lose the ability to live a
normal human life.

^{from 'Final Fantasy VII: Ultimania Omega', Translations by Ryu_Kaze}

It's the same with Sephiroth, he was an embryo when they inject the Jenova cells in his body, so he was unable to resist to the influence of the Jenova cells.
If we see the happening with the point of view of Hojo, the theory is follow :
If a psychological unstable person, who bears cells of Jenova in his body, this person seems to be attracted by Jenova (because Jenova wants to be one again). That means ,if you put the cells in a persons body which never could reach the requirements of being a SOLDIER, this person should be attracted by Jenova after a certain time. (The theory of the Reunion, rebuilded by Kaldarasha

)

So, creating Sephiroth Clones means actually making a Sephiroth alike persons. Remember Hojo wasn't there, so he assume that Sephiroth has lost his mind and wants to join with Jenova. That's where he has made the mistake. The embryo part has made Sephiroth more or less to another (god like?) life form, which surpasses Jenova.

luksy · « **Reply #1657 on:** 2013-06-23 07:55:11 »

I think 'Clone' is a misnomer, in fact if I'm not mistaken the Japanese only ever uses 'Copy'. Sephiroth himself calls them his 分身 (something like 'other self' / 'alter ego') at one point, as does Rufus, although it might be poetic license or the characters themselves that are unaware.

I think the name derives from the process used to create Sephiroth, hence they are Sephiroth Copies to the extent that they were created in a similar way, but are certainly not outright clones of Sephiroth. In fact not even the process was identical, seeing as Sephiroth had the Jenova cells injected while he was still in Lucretia's womb, whereas AFAIK the clones/copies were all like Cloud and injected as adults.

In other news, 10 5 maps left

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1658 on:** 2013-06-23 13:43:46 »

The problem is, the word copy implies that they are clones. If you are right, and the word just refers to the process, then "Sephiroth Copy" gives the completely wrong impression...

Would a Japanese person also have the same problem understanding the use of that phrase?

luksy · « **Reply #1659 on:** 2013-06-23 13:50:41 »

No there isn't really any ambiguity in the name even for a Japanese person, the first impression would be that they literally are copies of Sephiroth IMO.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1660 on:** 2013-06-23 14:01:30 »

So basically, it's used deliberately to confuse matters and make it some sort of a reveal in the story

5 maps left, eh

That means the translation side of things will probably be done within 2 days. The localisation will probably be done also in that time. Then comes the next stage. End game.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1661 on:** 2013-06-23 22:15:14 »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnKl04es5qkqdHFKVjF1SVY2RjlKUGNzSU1Db0tzenc&usp=sharing

Can you all access this document? Someone I know it says they need to sign in to view despite the fact it is set to allow sharing properly.

Rundas · « **Reply #1662 on:** 2013-06-23 22:17:34 »

I need to sign in but that really isn't a big deal because I assume everybody has a google account. Also, what is this file? I didn't download it yet.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1663 on:** 2013-06-23 22:27:00 »

It's the non dialogue documentation for Beacause. Problem is you should not need to sign in... useless Google.

Kompass63 · « **Reply #1664 on:** 2013-06-23 22:32:36 »

The document asks me if I want to sign out ...

Template · « **Reply #1665 on:** 2013-06-23 22:36:59 »

I just use public on the web setting when I link to google drive. Haven't tried anyone with link.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1666 on:** 2013-06-23 22:46:48 »

Public on web is what I have set, and it still asks for sign in when the link is pasted from share box. Something is wrong at their end...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AnKl04es5qkqdHFKVjF1SVY2RjlKUGNzSU1Db0tzenc&output=html

This is a published one. Does this one work?

Template · « **Reply #1667 on:** 2013-06-23 23:03:19 »

yes. goes right to the document

Salk · « **Reply #1668 on:** 2013-06-24 10:06:04 »

I could access both without any problems.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1669 on:** 2013-06-24 13:07:14 »

Why is it asking some to sign in and others can just enter it? Unless you were signed into google already.

Other news, the translation of all maps will probably be complete tomorrow. I may need another day before the localisation first draft is complete. So that's it... translation completed finally, June 2013.

knightsoftheround · « **Reply #1670 on:** 2013-06-24 16:48:19 »

When do you suggest we play it/install it? I've been holding off because I would like a complete game with the amazing new translation. Slight typos here and there won't bother me (and I'll be happy to report them!), so I was just curious. Or are you holding off the final release of Beacause until you do another proofread check?

So excited though! Thank you so much for all your work on this!

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1671 on:** 2013-06-24 18:17:16 »

It is hard to say... I have a few things that need to be done before I consider it worthy.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #1672 on:** 2013-06-24 23:07:36 »

FINAL FANTASY VII HAS NOW BEEN RETRANSLATED BY LUKSY FROM BEGINNING TO END.

Well done that man.

Now I have to complete the localisation of these maps, and then the first draft will be completed.

This update brings to an end over 3 years of updates by Luksy. It's hard to believe that the text has now all been translated, and that the project is coming to an end.

knightsoftheround · « **Reply #1673 on:** 2013-06-24 23:49:00 »

HELL YES!

Caledor · « **Reply #1674 on:** 2013-06-24 23:52:34 »

Quote from: mugenginga on 2013-06-24 23:49:00

HELL YES!

Thank you guys, can't wait for the release.