Actually planes are more unsafe than cars. I know you have been led to believe otherwise but aviation uses hours and distance you travel and not the journey number. By journey number this is the death toll:
Deaths per billion journeys
Bus: 4.3
Rail: 20
Van: 20
Car: 40
Foot: 40
Water: 90
Air: 117
Bicycle: 170
Motorcycle: 1640
You are 3X more likely to die on plane.
<< reply to guy on other page.
Finally there is my preferred parameter, or rather the one I find most meaningful as I climb on a train. Fatalities per 100million or billion journeys, or its inverse, one fatality per so many journeys
This is, I think, (and readers may disagree) how risk is perceived at the moment of travel. Am I likely to survive this train journey, flight, drive and so on?
Railtrack certainly disagrees and argues that the passenger thinks in terms of making the same journey, that is travelling the same distance, in different ways. Hmm, but statistics show, for example, that a majority or car accidents happen within three miles of home, for example.
So, I still prefer journeys as the parameter. And on this basis, the DETR figures show buses and coaches at 4.3 per billion journeys, rail at 20, car at 40, air at 117 and motor bikes and mopeds at 1,640.
But I think (though readers may disagree), that the risk of death expressed one in so many journeys is more easily grasped.
Now, statistics such as those in the Table are riddled with inconsistencies. For example, as shown above, the rail figures cover falls at stations and passenger trespass. Coach and air don't include people standing too close to the runway, wing walking on 747s or falling down the escalator in the bus station.
I don't think deaths by journey number is as unfair as death by miles travelled or hours travelled, and nor do the insurers. No stat is perfect I made that clear but planes are not as safe as car in terms of deaths. That's a statistical fact. You sound quite irritated, perhaps you like to believe you are all hunky dory when on a plane ;) I also didn't manipulate the stats as I didn't compile them, professionals did.
I don't quite understand
I don't quite understand
No. I don't think you ever will.
What is there to gain by provocating him ?... ...Answer : nothing good.
What is there to gain by provocating him ?... ...Answer : nothing good.
That depends on how one defines "good".
What is there to gain by provocating him ?... ...Answer : nothing good.
That depends on how one defines "good".
Well lets see your definition of good. Because if you keep antagonizing him I am sure that you are not going to find it good by any definition of yours.
The question is fine, the implication that he is not intelligent enough to understand what you are saying is not.
Oh come on, do you think I am stupid? You almost always argue the opposite side of a point just to stir things up. Especially when he is involved. There is a word for that you know... trolling? I seem to remember you discussing it before.
The question is fine, the implication that he is not intelligent enough to understand what you are saying is not.
Oh come on, do you think I am stupid? You almost always argue the opposite side of a point just to stir things up. Especially when he is involved. There is a word for that you know... trolling? I seem to remember you discussing it before.
No one deserves trolling. Attack his arguments if you feel the need to. Leave the attacking of the person out of it.
The question is fine, the implication that he is not intelligent enough to understand what you are saying is not.
Oh come on, do you think I am stupid? You almost always argue the opposite side of a point just to stir things up. Especially when he is involved. There is a word for that you know... trolling? I seem to remember you discussing it before.
No one deserves trolling. Attack his arguments if you feel the need to. Leave the attacking of the person out of it.
Goddamnit Jari, can't you just f*cking drop it already?
Same goes for you Kudi, you're becoming more and more of an insufferable ahole by the day.
I mean really, we're not a large community, is it so goddamn hard to not hate each other?
Figures you would show up Jari.
I am not 'Seifie-kun's' damage control team. I have a problem with anyone who wishes to attack another person on here. Argue with whatever point you wish but start attacking people directly and i have a problem.
I shouldn't need to explain trolling to you Jari. You know exactly what it is.
I have attacked no one. I have warned, but feel free to spin things whichever way you like.
Goddamnit Jari, can't you just f*cking drop it already?
Same goes for you Kudi, you're becoming more and more of an insufferable ahole by the day.
I mean really, we're not a large community, is it so goddamn hard to not hate each other?
:x
Everyone best drop this now.
Goddamnit Jari, can't you just f*cking drop it already?
Same goes for you Kudi, you're becoming more and more of an insufferable ahole by the day.
I mean really, we're not a large community, is it so goddamn hard to not hate each other?
:x
Everyone best drop this now.
Afraid of something, are we? :D
Anyway, I have things to do and places to be. Ta-ta for now. :)
What is there to gain by provocating him ?... ...Answer : nothing good.
That depends on how one defines "good".
Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you. Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.
Goddamnit Jari, can't you just f*cking drop it already?
Same goes for you Kudi, you're becoming more and more of an insufferable ahole by the day.
I mean really, we're not a large community, is it so goddamn hard to not hate each other?
I apologize for him Kudi he has been off his med's for days.
you are now doing exactly what Seifie-kun demanded of me - acting as his personal damage control team. He makes a booboo - not that rare of an incidence, considering that he is stupid, and prone of making it lot worse, because he is an asshat.
What is there to gain by provocating him ?... ...Answer : nothing good.
That depends on how one defines "good".
If "good" to you means a flame-war and a troll-fest, yes, I can understand why you'd head into provocation territory. It's so fun, right ?
Kudistos.. Really dude? We're not dumb. It's blindingly obvious you still dislike DLPB. Granted for the most part you've put the past behind you and tried to be civil, it seems any chance you get to call him out on something you do it. Not just debating something he's decided is pure fact, but mocking and belittling him as well. If you want to debate posts and show how your side is the only side worth caring about, fine, good, do it. Personally, I love playing devil's advocate, but when you start slandering people, you start losing the respect of everyone witnessing it.
DLPB posts his opinion as 100% fact, yet has ceased outright attacking people
You are a dyin' breed round these parts, and thank god for that. If you want to act like a moron and fit in with your f*cked-up kind, I suggest you boogie on over to the Lifestream Forum. You will find a lovely home there, for sure. They will also agree with every crazy argument going, so you won't even need to argue. IQ entrance fee <60.
DLPB, just because we're "on your side" right now
1000 words of seething hatred, just because I disagreed with him
LOL You can't be taken seriously really. It is clear to everyone you are a troll who is a bit butt hurt that your best pal left (and only returns when there is trouble ) ;) I will leave you to it. You turned a simple argument about aviation safety into a character assassination and baiting exercise. Ask Jari where that gets you these days. I am not that idiot who was here before, I don't take it that seriously anymore and I can ignore it or laugh at it. Not to mention the mods here now actually do something. You are a dyin' breed round these parts, and thank god for that. If you want to act like a moron and fit in with your f*cked-up kind, I suggest you boogie on over to the Lifestream Forum. You will find a lovely home there, for sure. They will also agree with every crazy argument going, so you won't even need to argue. IQ entrance fee <60.
Seriously, you need to learn to get your fun elsewhere. This is a bit basic. You have both got to such a point that you don't even care how obvious your trolling is... it has become second nature to you. While we are at it, trolling is a mental disorder and is strongly linked to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
In other words it makes you awful, bitter people; delighting in the trouble you cause. All you serve to teach us in this thread is that you are not nice people and are both mentally disturbed. Usually stems from childhood and upbringing.
What is there to gain by provocating him ?... ...Answer : nothing good.
That depends on how one defines "good".
If "good" to you means a flame-war and a troll-fest, yes, I can understand why you'd head into provocation territory. It's so fun, right ?
best thing is to leave him here talking to himself about how bad I am. It is no good being an obvious troll, and it is obvious to everyone here that he takes opposite sides to stir up a bit of trouble ;) With that in mind, what use is it even arguing with him? Let's move on because he is getting exactly what he set out to achieve.
A familiar pattern around here is the ones who don't contribute anything to FF7 are the same ones who go round trolling. Always stuck in this section bringing up as many things as possible to get a reaction. It is sad... but not surprising that Kud is a regular over at 4chan. :mrgreen:
He goes on about Hermoor 24/7 but is no better than him. I suggest Kud and jari go and join him, they are more alike than they believe.
back to the topic:
The whole point of the statistical slant was to show that people who quote "Planes are the safest" are basing it on dodgy stats; parroting the propaganda and brainwashing that is peddled by the media and aviation, and that a fairer stat is the deaths by JOURNEY NUMBER. I don't think anyone here feels safer knowing that they are more likely to die in a plane by journey number and instead think "oh well, by miles travelled I am...so...I will just think of happy thoughts. It's gonna be a goooooood day.". That would be crazy. The reason the aviation use that stat is because it looks good (honestly, that's obvious). The reason the insurers use the death by journey number is because it is a more faithful statistic. Yes I said more faithful, not perfect.
Planes usually crash and burn on take off or landing.. so what happens in-between is largely irrelevant.
I did not mean to claim that the stats show conclusively that planes are more dangerous than car, but that at best, planes are no more safe. If I said that or gave that impression then I retract it. They certainly are NOT the safest form of transport. That is a fact. An undeniable fact. I am well aware that even the death by journey stats are not perfect and have problems in interpretation but they are far fairer than death by hours travelled or distance travelled.
I would also like to add that given the choice of death, most of us would like the sharp fast death of car. If something goes wrong in a plane, generally you will be alive for a long time, in utter panic the likes of which you cannot conceive. You are placing your life in the hands of a human operator, and hence most accidents in plane are human error related. I am afraid that human error does exist on plane.. it doesn't just stop because the Aviation's dodgy stats say so.
I did not manipulate any statistics, as I did not compile the stats, I merely stated them. The fact is, kud is just trolling and I would wager in direct conversation with his buddy, the lunatic Jari.
If either had any real care for debate they would have attempted it, instead they made everyone aware that they have no argument other than "MANIPULATION!!!!!" and at the same time made their trolling look ridiculously blatant. It is no surprise to find that the same people are the source of every argument on this forum and always will be. You would have thought that their enormous practice at it would have made them more competent trolls, but as I said, they do it so much they have become complacent. This thread has become the biggest joke ever, and it is all on Kud and jari!
Cheers boys :P
1 last thing. You 2 need to give up trying to bait me and troll me. We are never going back to the old days so move on. :o That way you will at least maintain some sort of dignity instead of being the laughing stock of the forum. I will not be back to this thread.
really give up trying to bait you??????????? you do know you just took their so called bait right proving them to be right in every way shape and form km i'm on you side
really give up trying to bait you??????????? you do know you just took their so called bait right proving them to be right in every way shape and form km i'm on you side
Why thank you! ;D
But I must point out that there was no baiting. I merely thought he was wrong and called him out.
People have decided that I was baiting, with no evidence, and often relying on claims about my past with Seifer that are completely untrue, and have interpreted this whole affair according to the grand narrative of kudi-chan being a mean old poopy-head.
Terrible things can happen when one is off one's meds. I once even got my husband's friend mixed up with my fiancé. That caused a lot of embarrassment during the wedding!
QuoteTerrible things can happen when one is off one's meds. I once even got my husband's friend mixed up with my fiancé. That caused a lot of embarrassment during the wedding!
I think you are trying your best at humor? Came off a bit mean...I was trying to lighten up the situation no need to attack me :(
Now before you say the much anticipated "I didn't do anything" pay attention to the bold. You like to sneak stuff like that in...I don't like it, I am sad that you decided to make fun of me when I was trying to help. I was defending you on IRC, and I often enjoyed your jokes and posts. :-[
But we all know that, on these forums, certain people can be insulted with impunity but others can't be criticised at all.(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lffp50bv7O1qg7bz2o1_400.jpg) (http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lffp50bv7O1qg7bz2o1_400.jpg)
But we all know that, on these forums, certain people can be insulted with impunity but others can't be criticised at all.(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lffp50bv7O1qg7bz2o1_400.jpg) (http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lffp50bv7O1qg7bz2o1_400.jpg)
I don't see how saying that I was "off my meds" was "trying to lighten up the situation". In my opinion, that was a bit mean. Implying that someone is mentally ill does not help the situation.
My true colors indeed. I'm best friends with DLPB. Best friends since way, way back. We're going to take over these forums he and I, just biding our time for now. In all honesty, I'm best friends with whoever I side with in any debate... it's just the sad truth of things. How could I possibly be neutral on a Final Fantasy forum... emotions just run too high.
However, I think you do realize your bias and just want an argument.
You missed the whole earlier part of the joke (deliberately?) see you have a very interesting post style. Many people found my joke funny and it could have ended the situation had you not kept pressing the issue.
Then you should take more care to make your jokes clearerI thought it was pretty clear... I even separated it (didn't indent though) and the joke was immediately well received. To which I might add that normally my jokes fall flat.
You are a dyin' breed round these parts, and thank god for that. If you want to act like a moron and fit in with your f*cked-up kind, I suggest you boogie on over to the Lifestream Forum. You will find a lovely home there, for sure. They will also agree with every crazy argument going, so you won't even need to argue. IQ entrance fee <60.
is an outright attack?
the funny thing is, this is called the Trolling Thread, so I hope no one is trying to deny whats going on here.
I would say however that the original post was a bit of a drastic assumption. Manipulation requires some aspect of truth to be altered to an untruthful state, while still under the guise of being truth. I don't think he is guilty of any such thing and so the premiss of your whole argument is irrelevant and this thread is pointless.
QuoteThen you should take more care to make your jokes clearerI thought it was pretty clear... I even separated it (didn't indent though) and the joke was immediately well received. To which I might add that normally my jokes fall flat.
I will make this clear; I am defending my joke it is very rare that I get a laugh and many at that! I will fight to the death on this issue. Now instead of us lancing each other verbally we can drop it and have hugs! and be forum pals. Do not attack my joke sir I need this one!
•1990-94: 1.32 serious accidents per million departures.
•1995-99: 1.06.
•2000-04: 0.58.
•2005-09: 0.55.By serious, I believe they mean involving a fatality.Fatality rate per billion passenger miles traveled
Car (most dangerous)
7.2
Airplane
2.3
Bus
2.0
Train (safest)
0.5
http://airfare.michaelbluejay.com/modes.html#sourcesOr he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you. Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.
I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.
Then changed your mind five minutes later.
Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you. Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.
I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.
Then changed your mind five minutes later.
Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.
Also, the hatred/dislike of you stems from you trolling, and just being an ahole more often lately. I don't know what caused it, but for the last week or so, you just seem to be on the warpath.
I leave this as my final warning: Any more personal attacks and said person will be moderated and I will filter their posts before they are posted. This goes for everyone
Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you. Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.
I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.
Then changed your mind five minutes later.
Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.
Oh, it's not free will?
Did she tie you up and prevent you from deleting your account?Also, the hatred/dislike of you stems from you trolling, and just being an ahole more often lately. I don't know what caused it, but for the last week or so, you just seem to be on the warpath.
Maybe that's just your perception. Anyway, what was it that sl said about no more personal attacks? Calling me an arsehole is certainly a personal attack. I'd be more careful, if I were you.I leave this as my final warning: Any more personal attacks and said person will be moderated and I will filter their posts before they are posted. This goes for everyone
1) Or, you know, I try to be a nice person every now and then, something I'm sure you know nothing about
2) I've gotten to the point where I don't give a sh*t, if I got moderated/banned, so be it, I really don't care, but I'm sick and tired of just holding my tongue so I don't get moderated/banned. I sit mostly on IRC anyway.
Lurking in on-topic ≠ not present in on-topic. I just don't give a shit about people having issues running the game, mine are solved, save for one or two, which are uniquely mine, for various reasons, and not much I can do about them, so fuck it. So what if I don't feel like typing up a guide for one person, so they understand how to install Aali's driver. So what if you do? Being able to go "HERP DERP I KNOWZ 'DIS HEREZ TEH INFOS" isn't anything to gloat about.1) Or, you know, I try to be a nice person every now and then, something I'm sure you know nothing about
Is that so?
Well, a lot of people have commented on my helpfulness. In fact, I'm one of the most helpful people to people who have a problem with running or modding the game, as long as the person is polite and I know how to deal with it.
Of course, this happens in the on-topic forums, something I'm sure you know nothing about.2) I've gotten to the point where I don't give a sh*t, if I got moderated/banned, so be it, I really don't care, but I'm sick and tired of just holding my tongue so I don't get moderated/banned. I sit mostly on IRC anyway.
I see. Then let rip. I'm sure you have beefs with plenty of people. Why not make a thread about it?
I just don't give a sh*t about people having issues running the game, mine are solved, save for one or two, which are uniquely mine, for various reasons, and not much I can do about them, so f*ck it. So what if I don't feel like typing up a guide for one person, so they understand how to install Aali's driver. So what if you do? Being able to go "HERP DERP I KNOWZ 'DIS HEREZ TEH INFOS" isn't anything to gloat about.
Actually... not really, only people I have an issue with right now, are you, and Jari, everybody else I'm actually on good terms with.
I should read up on it to see why and what lead to these events. I'm afraid that by doing so, I would feel the need to punch myself in the gut for being all interested in a thread in which is calling certain people out.
I really like reverse-engineering Squaresoft RPGs.
If only there were a forum where we could discuss it :(
I personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.You can do that? Wow, I did not know that; not that I would do it anyway to begin with. I'd rather just go about my business and do something else. It is not like "OMG I must read this!" ha. ;D
Let's say that those are correct... they still show that the claim "Planes are the safest form of transport" is dubious to say the least, which is my main problem with the aviation authority and people who claim planes as safest.
Seriously, you need to learn to get your fun elsewhere. This is a bit basic. You have both got to such a point that you don't even care how obvious your trolling is... it has become second nature to you. While we are at it, trolling is a mental disorder and is strongly linked to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
In other words it makes you awful, bitter people; delighting in the trouble you cause. All you serve to teach us in this thread is that you are not nice people and are both mentally disturbed. Usually stems from childhood and upbringing.
A familiar pattern around here is the ones who don't contribute anything to FF7 are the same ones who go round trolling. Always stuck in this section bringing up as many things as possible to get a reaction. It is sad... but not surprising that Kud is a regular over at 4chan. :mrgreen:
The whole point of the statistical slant was to show that people who quote "Planes are the safest" are basing it on dodgy stats; parroting the propaganda and brainwashing that is peddled by the media and aviation, and that a fairer stat is the deaths by JOURNEY NUMBER. I don't think anyone here feels safer knowing that they are more likely to die in a plane by journey number and instead think "oh well, by miles travelled I am...so...I will just think of happy thoughts. It's gonna be a goooooood day.". That would be crazy. The reason the aviation use that stat is because it looks good (honestly, that's obvious). The reason the insurers use the death by journey number is because it is a more faithful statistic. Yes I said more faithful, not perfect.
I would also like to add that given the choice of death, most of us would like the sharp fast death of car. If something goes wrong in a plane, generally you will be alive for a long time, in utter panic the likes of which you cannot conceive. You are placing your life in the hands of a human operator, and hence most accidents in plane are human error related. I am afraid that human error does exist on plane.. it doesn't just stop because the Aviation's dodgy stats say so.
I did not manipulate any statistics, as I did not compile the stats, I merely stated them. The fact is, kud is just trolling and I would wager in direct conversation with his buddy, the lunatic Jari.
We are never going back to the old days so move on. :o
I probably shouldn't have posted that picture, but what's done is done. However, I think you do realize your bias and just want an argument.
Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you. Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.
I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.
Then changed your mind five minutes later.
Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.
Oh, it's not free will?
Did she tie you up and prevent you from deleting your account?
I personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.
Quote from: Best and greatest, protector of visitorsI personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.
On a serious note, why doesn't this board have an ignore function?
Quote from: Best and greatest, protector of visitorsI personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.
On a serious note, why doesn't this board have an ignore function?
Funny Jari that you still insist that I am biased since I just moderated someone who i regularly talk to for an attack on someone who I am clearly 'biased' against. :roll:
You should keep up. I retracted the statement that "cars are definitely safer", as that was never really my problem.
Sorry to disappoint, but I haven't had direct contact with Kudi-chan for quite a few months. Unlike some people who seem to use rather high-schoolish methods of rallying up a gang via PMs, I don't think I need such tactics. I can hold my own just fine without a brigade of my own. I suspect Kudi-chan feels the same way. :)
http://borgborg.org/lulz-u-made-a-funni.jpg
Funny Jari that you still insist that I am biased since I just moderated someone who i regularly talk to for an attack on someone who I am clearly 'biased' against. :roll:
Funny Jari that you still insist that I am biased since I just moderated someone who i regularly talk to for an attack on someone who I am clearly 'biased' against. :roll:
Funny Jari that you still insist that I am biased since I just moderated someone who i regularly talk to for an attack on someone who I am clearly 'biased' against. :roll:
Oh, absolutely. Because you are.
Unless you are operating on a some kind of scale; do one biased thing, do one unbiased thing = problem solved, they negate each other! I don't think it works like that, and I doubt you do, either. :)
I suspect that nobody really does.after reading this whole thing and being a third party who is not directly involved with either side, I can pretty much say this as a certainty :evil:
Why oh why do we care this much about whether planes are safer than cars or not?
To answer my own question: We don't.
haha whats really sad is that kudi put this post together in a few minutes and worked up 70 replies in a single day whereas I have been busting my ass on my project for the past several weeks and I have only racked up about 12 posts :'(
honestly I find that hilarious
There is no need to be putting words in peoples mouths. Maybe it got split at that point because it made the most sense? Disagreeing is not trolling, baiting maybe (but I dont think so in this case). But when an argument starts does it not make sense to split it at where the argument started?
When it is put into a thread called the "trolling thread", it definitely does imply that my post was trolling.
But that's no surprise "Kudistos is trolling" seems to be repeated like a religious mantra by some people when I disagree with them (because of course, there's absolutely no way I might honestly think they were wrong!). At least, they repeat the mantra until they sit down and think about things for a while and realise that I was right.
Yet perhaps not the first post was trolling. Even you cannot deny that trolling was going on in the thread at some point.
I will agree that does happen. Yet it also goes the other way. Others get labeled the same just because of their past behaviour.
I've noticed instances where logical arguments are posted in response to some of your own, and they are ignored. If saving time and butthurt were your objective, then perhaps responding to logical arguements presented would do this too. And I don't like you or dislike you, or think you are right or wrong...I just enjoy pointing out things that haven't been noticed.
Perhaps, but life isnt fair. As a person who 'trolled the trolls' you have been labelled as such. Is it right? No, but past behaviour is usually the best predictor of the future.
My mouth has just written a cheque that my ass can't cash
My language is the result of your calling me out. Like I said, me putting up evidence is the first step towards the a pointless waste of time. As of right now you don't believe me, and thats fine with me. Ugh...what a defeat.
So if I troll trolls, does that mean I troll everyone for the fun of it, regardless of whether I think their argument has merit?
Or are you saying that when I get accused of trolling, you regard the people I'm arguing against as trolls? You've accused me of trolling for arguing against you many times; does that mean that you're a troll?
I must also remind you that during Hermoor's first stay here, before everyone started regarding him as a poor, innocent victim of cyber bullying, you treated him in a way that might be regarded as trolling the troll. So did obesebear.
Actually its like he says, evidence isn't needed if you have read the thread, and since KM you've been defending yourself this whole time I assume you have read it and you know whether he is right or wrong so why point it out again and again. Honestly I think he was trying to be nice
Yes, you're delusional. Uh oh, is that a personal attack?
I'll say it is my opinion that you ignore logical arguements from time to time. Now the arguement is over, because I'm merely stating an personal opinion. Do you want to argue whether or not I hold this opinion?
Yeah at the beginning I probably did feed the trolls so to speak
And lets see examples of where I accused you of trolling me.
And stop taking what I say as absolutes. Do you troll all the time? No. Is everyone you argue with a troll? No. Everytime you argue something are you trolling? No. Do you always troll the trolls? Usually, but not always.
No, but past behaviour is usually the best predictor of the future.
Summary of the thread :
"You're a troll !"
"No, I'm not !"
"You're wrong !"
"No, I'm right !"
The thread stays open, Kudistos has the right to respond. Post any evidence you have in this thread Kudi-san.
past behaviour is usually the best predictor of the future.
Heh. I think you and I have a different definition of trolling. Arguing just for the sake of it is just that. Some people like to be contrary as it can provide deeper insight to the topic at hand. Arguing for the purpose of getting a rise out of someone else is trolling.
You are all doing what I used to do. Playing them at their own game. The more you argue the more they are winning. Leave the thread and let them talk to themselves. They are clearly a pair of trolls and so there is no use trying to reason. Kud for example, seems to have his own definition of everything. be it troll or baiting... he has his own definition of "good". He has a warped justification for everything he is doing, and so does Jari.
Heh. I think you and I have a different definition of trolling. Arguing just for the sake of it is just that. Some people like to be contrary as it can provide deeper insight to the topic at hand. Arguing for the purpose of getting a rise out of someone else is trolling.
Oh really? If you had accused me of "playing Devil's advocate", that might have got your meaning across better. As it is, your language suggested that I was just seeking to cause trouble. In any case, you were accusing me of arguing because I wanted to argue, not because I believed what I was saying. That's the central issue here. When you say that, you automatically give yourself a licence to ignore me, since I'm just arguing because I want an argument. You can use this technique to avoid ever having to engage with anything I say.
Furthermore, you said that and then took a dismissive tone, which adds more weight to the "it means trolling" interpretation of what you said than the "it means playing Devil's advocate".
As for the dismissive tone well that would most likely be because I did dismiss your opinion.
(I cant remember the rules thread and couldnt find it on google)
SL, if i remember correctly, a devils advocate is someone who does for themselves, and encourages others, to do what they feel they should do regardless of right or wrong
SL, if i remember correctly, a devils advocate is someone who does for themselves, and encourages others, to do what they feel they should do regardless of right or wrong
Eh? I don't think you remember correctly. Google it.
Why the heck does this thread keep poppin' up? (I know I know, because we are replying to it; just as I am doing right now)
This thread is random (I know the CU Forum is made for the purpose of "random"), but now it is so random that it is highly unreadable. It's random gibberish imo.