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Title: That's it
Post by: Jari on 2010-03-31 00:43:10: I've just had enough of all of this shit.

I'm tired of being the middleman, some kind of fucking last, best hope for humanity who single-handedly is supposed to keep this forum clean of trolls, while being constantly second guessed by the owner of the forums, and taking shit from both directions.

Tired of banning the same knuckle dragger three times a day, because the owner can't get his thumb out of his arse and upgrade to a forum software that would actually make it possible to use registration that would check for proxied users.

Tired of being talked down by the owner who even has to ask me what is going on in his own forums. Being talked down after I banned a person who I suspect to be most clever social hacker in the history of these forums. Because it looks bad. Well, fucking Jebus Christ, life sometimes looks bad. I'm no Doctor Strange - I can't just magic it to make it look nice and fluffy.

Tired of seeing him reverse his opinion and actually agree with me and my proof, after - you know - looking at the fucking thing.

But last night certainly took the cake.

First I get gagged and dragged from our own IRC channel into a nice little chat with Esper.Net server OPs. Because you see, I have stolen credit card information and intimidated people. That was settled fairly quickly when the OPs realized that the former was not even theoretically possible, and for the latter; the person whom I so intimidated told me that she wanted me to be her friend, just before saying goodbye.

Oh, but it gets better.

Then I spent an hour consoling the very same person who got me there, in the first place - after explaining that no, we do not have her credit card information, we do not want it, and we couldn't even in theory get it. Yes, we had collected the personal information we had by using the email address given by the person herself, Google and Peoplesearch. Then I got offered a forum of my own. And money. Which was kinda creepy. I'm not for sale. I keep telling her that I'm not angry at her, I do not intend to fight her, no - we can't blame the ban on SaiNt either, no - I have never lifted a ban in my life and no - I'm not lifting her ban either, yes - I intend to keep my word and not let people make fun of her, yes - I do feel really, really sorry for banning her, if her story is true - but I just don't believe it to be. All the while being nice to her, because she is obviously very upset. And of course; all this time I suspect I'm being played - quite brilliantly, too.

That's not the best of it.

Then I spent probably quite a bit more time, reading a novel length musings of the forum owner, who had reversed his opinion, yet again!

Yes, dude, I know she could be telling the truth. It would require a massive leap of faith to believe she was, and if I start taking those, I might just as well assume that you are not who you say are, either. Sure, I can check who the domain is registered to. Sure, I can check where my chat connections are going to. Sure, I have even photographic evidence of your ties to your claimed name. But do I have evidence that will prove beyond any doubt that the person talking to me is the person he claims to be? Not really. Or in other words; Hi there, Mr Keanu Reeves, nice forums you got. For all I know, that could be true as well. Do I consider it likely to be true? Not at all, just like I do not consider Mako's story likely to be true.

And why had he changed his mind? Well, because banning her would make him look bad, like a villain. He'd much prefer to be a hero, like the ones in movies. D00d, movies have heroes for a reason; they are fiction. The heroes are written to be heroes. Real life does not work like that. Besides, what is this place anyway, a modding community, or your personal shrine to how great one Qhimm is? This is not about looking good, nor is this about moral high-ground; this is about keeping the forums usable. We are not a court of law; if we make a mistake and ban a wrong people - big deal, people will move on. People do not have some kind of God given right to be here.

Just like it seems that we should have public trials for trolls. Because again, that would not make us look bad, nor would it turn the public opinion against us. Oh, for fuck's sake. What is this? A beauty contest? Having public trial will take ages, lots of effort, and it will not help a bit with the public opinion. Because people will still be divided; you seem to forget that even the trolliest of trolls do know how to manipulate people. Not only would they be divided, but a rift would be created between the people who voted yes, and the people who voted no. They'd think that the other side was wrong, and the losing side would be bitter - bitter against the other half of the forum. As long as the banning decisions are made by admins or single admin, people can take their hate and bitterness and aim it all at him. Most adults I know are capable of handling "I HAET U SO!!!!" on the Intertubes.

No, the people do not come here to bask in the warm glow of your greatness, or in the soft cuddliness of administration which always has the moral high-ground and is always right. They come here because our milkshake brings everyone to the yard; even the trolls who get ridiculed to high heaven, bounce back like rubber balls - just because we have the stuff they want.

Besides, apparently we had received a lot of complaints that we ban too many people. Only problem was that it turned out we had banned exactly ONE real person during my stay as admin. Few were spambots, dozen or two were various alters for Seifer and Hermoor. Would it be too much to ask that owner of the forum would either keep himself informed, or at least take a look at the ban list - I mean, it's visible right there, in the admin panel - before even bothering to complain to me? Apparently it would. This happened just bit before Mako's banning, btw. Surely not social hacking at all. Just like masteraden didn't try to manipulate the admins - he just did it in a very crude way.

This is exactly the shit I've had enough of. Seifer, Hermoor, masteraden; do not make a mistake. I can ban you all day long, again and again, without getting a feeling of any kind out of it.

I have practically saved your forums twice thus far. I've been there when you needed someone to talk to. You know why I have problems trusting people - you better than most people here. Yet I can't seem to trust you to make up your mind about a simple banning, nor can I trust you to trust me, or my judgment, regardless of what I have done for these forums. I get second guessed, I get talked down.

Frankly, have it your way, then. Go find someone who is willing to administrate exactly like you want. I think you'll end up with a flunky who will require you yourself to administrate by proxy, so to speak. Most people competent enough to administrate do not seem to be willing to do so, unless they are given some degree of freedom to do what they want, the way they like to do it. Might I suggest MrAdults, perhaps? He certainly is sanctimonious enough to at least think he has the moral high-ground - just about all the time, actually. He might suit your tastes quite well. Or perhaps Seifer, he sure thinks he is always right - from his point of view he does have the moral high-ground - every time, everywhere, all the time.

Or administrate yourself. These are your forums, after all. Maybe it would do you good to get at least somewhat reacquainted with them, so that at least you didn't have to trust word of mouth to know what is going on.

Anyway, I'm going to make this real easy for you.

First, I'll lift Mako's ban. There. You are a hero now, you saved a damsel in distress. Bask in the glory of righteousness, it's your time now dude, enjoy it.

I'd assume that she's happy too, that's what she wanted, after all. Not to mention that masteraden most certainly is happy - he or she or whatever finally managed to play you to the point where you made me quit. Well played, masteraden, good game. I did quite enjoy it, actually.

Then I'll lift all the bans Seifer and Hermoor have.

Let's see you deal with them. Set up as many public trials you want. That will surely fix the situation. Maybe you'll even switch to phpBB3 now that you have to actually do something about it, yourself. Have at it, boys. Don't worry, Qhimm does not have balls to ban you.

Then I'll delete my own account, assuming the forum software lets me do so. Not quite sure, never tried if SMF lets admins to delete their own accounts. If not, I just won't come here. Simple as that. :)

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Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 00:52:34: Uh oh. It seems the end is nigh. Well jari I do hope you stick around to some extent, I do enjoy the conversations we have on the irc. Maybe PM me with your MSN if you have one. As for the whole situation I dont know enough to make an intelligent comment so I will leave it alone.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-03-31 00:54:15: I don't know if it will matter, or if you will read this.

But i for one am sorry to hear you're leaving. I enjoyed you being around, Made me laugh, and made the forums a fun place. You made me two backgrounds on request for no cost and out of kindness.

You saved our forum many times from the clutches of trolls who have nothing better to do. I hope the forum will survive without you.

Have a great life my friend. :) (if i may call you that)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 01:07:23: Well I don't respond directly to the person above anymore and I made that my policy after a few things happened to me recently that changed a lot of how I behave, although I still put my point across and I a, not going to apologise for that.

I will say that the admin here (not qhimm, who should really never have put this other guy in charge) has caused far more problems for this place than he claims to have fixed. He has banned and taken delight in the power it gives him. He has actually led decent modders to the door and laughed as he kicked them out (see mr. adults). He has ridiculed people time and again and trolled these boards to a level I have never seen in my life. I don't even know what to make of the fact he was made an admin in the first place.

I truly find some of what happens on this forum a complete mystery. The admin here has provoked trouble and revelled in it, he has been the biggest thorn in the side of this forum. If we take hermoor who has deliberately trolled these forums to an unprescedented level, one can almost understand it and see how it happens when an admin, who is in charge of keeping order, sets up a bullying school playground and makes ridiculous threats that no longer interest me in the slightest. I consider this admin a closed chapter in a nasty book and I hope Qhimm sees the wisdom in kicking this guy right off the forum, even if I have to go with him.

This forum needs 3 decent moderators who will not be party to ridiculous levels of abuse and trolling. I would say mr. adults or koral, but they left and who can blame them? You will have to find 3 decent people here who can mod properly. I think obesebear is a good candidate as much as I have disagreed with him in the past. If you care about your forum Qhimm then sort it out and simply appoint 3+ people who can do the job properly. There are also a few members here who revel in the same so called "lulz" and that hs to stop. There is such thing as morality and decency, and there is such thing as a nice community that doesn't feel the need to get off on seeing another person get worked up.

I am not going to respond to accusations aimed at me, I will say that I have been telling hermoor for weeks to stop it and just do as I do, ignore it and laugh at it. That is something I couldn't do before when I took this admin seriously. The only thing that I come here for is NOT to take -but to give. I come here because I am passionate about FF7 and modding to make it "better". I have made some poor choices in the past and risen to the bait of an idiot like an idiot. I was half to blame and perhaps even slightly more at times. The only thing suffering around here is this forum and the community. I have been saying for weeks that this kind of nonsense would only end in severe problems, and it has and will continue to the longer this out of control admin is allowed to do as he pleases.

But I don't like power freaks or bullies, I don't like weirdo's and warped people who take delight in other people's suffering and this admin seems to fit all of this criteria. I was in 2 minds whether to post this but I may as well give my 2 cents worth, I usually do. Frankly this is the past and this admin needs to move on with his life. I have, and I am sick of my past being some sort of whip to knock me at any opportunity. I will also add that the admin here had no chance of beating me or making me go away with the dispicable tactics he deployed, I told him that a while ago and now he has found out.

Dan.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 01:08:39: Jari, I have to say I would rather see this forum being spammed to hell then see you leave. You are the forum, and pretty much made some of it what it is. I really wish you weren't leaving, and I understand your point of view. Goodbye dear sir.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: titeguy3 on 2010-03-31 01:12:17: I do hope you'll stick around or check back in here even if only for the lulz or to express your opinion to a group of existentially questionable people of above-average-on-average intelligence, conceited or hypocritical as some of them may tend to be.

At any rate, a forum as productive as this one needs some proper moderation to prevent things from getting out of hand and productive members from becoming upset and leaving. Without you around, we're going to be short-handed, unless (the active moderators I can think of off the top of my head) SL, Timu, and halkun (and perhaps even Qhimm himself, he seems to be posting more often these days than I'm used to) can pick up the slack.

Here's to hoping that in the future, the mods already developed here will be seen as in their infancy, and Qhimm will be going strong.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Hellbringer616 on 2010-03-31 01:14:43: Obesebear, sl1982, and Timu Sumisu would be good mods/admins, Of course Halkun, But he's already a mod, But he'd be a good admin i think.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: idl12 on 2010-03-31 01:15:51: Wow, I sure do see these things happening a lot recently.....Anyway, I may not know Jari as well as everyone else here but in the little time i've been here at qhimm, I've really enjoyed his presence and in all the forums i've ever been to, he's the best damn admin i ever came across.I'm really surprised this happened, but i guess this is one of those things that remind us of how life can be. Regardless, i'm sure he had his reasons for this decisions and i wish him the best of luck.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Opine on 2010-03-31 01:20:41: (http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9543/cryq.gif) I can't imagine him being gone...
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-31 01:20:47: Well, Jari, I know in the past you have left only to return again later. I hope that to be the case again this time as well.
You being made admin was a good thing, we need one around here, and still do. One moderator isn't nearly enough, though I'm sure Halkun does the best he can. I think you were just in charge of too much for too long. I may not agree with how you handled certain things, but I feel you definitely did a good job. I for one will definitely miss your personality around here.

Anyways, long story short, I do hope we see you back here at some point again... back at 0 posts :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-03-31 01:33:36: I'm not content to just lying down and letting this happen. Nor am I the kind of person that loses his head easily. Having said that, GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE NOW!

EDIT: And Seifer, I wasn't going to reply - and part of me hopes you ignore this, because I don't want to start an unresolvable war again. I'm posting this to clear a few things up, and those that were there at the time can back me up on this.

He wasn't/isn't a troll. The only person at that time that trolled was you. You hurt a lot of people and had a really bad attitude. If you're really going to be sticking around I can only hope that aloof aura goes away fast. Best - admin - ever. RIP. And no wonder.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 01:48:03: I second that.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 01:54:46: Well if we're going to have to deal with un-moderated trolls for the time being, I would suggest simply ignoring him. I'm serious. He can't argue with us if we're not bringing up any arguments for him. The best we can do is ignore him, know he's wrong and just leave it at that. No feeding the trolls.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-03-31 01:58:38: Quote from: Cloudobo_Gurl on 2010-03-31 01:54:46
Well if we're going to have to deal with un-moderated trolls for the time being, I would suggest simply ignoring him. I'm serious. He can't argue with us if we're not bringing up any arguments for him. The best we can do is ignore him, know he's wrong and just leave it at that. No feeding the trolls.

I agree. I also think you'd have a different opinion had you been here when this crap kicked off in the first place - not that I'm slating you. I think everyone should take your advice and ignore all posts from the members that aren't supposed to be here.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: KnifeTheSky77 on 2010-03-31 02:14:35: Early April fools day joke?
I hope so.

I miss your jest Jari.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-03-31 02:16:14: You know, I hadn't even thought about that... hmm... I can only pray.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 02:18:33: Ha well for the time being I'll take that advice. I hope its all a joke.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 02:25:08: Quote from: obesebear on 2010-03-31 01:20:47
One moderator isn't nearly enough, though I'm sure Halkun does the best he can.

The situation is even worse than that. Halkun is only a moderator in certain forums; forums were most of the sh*tposting doesn't happen. I also remember him saying he doesn't have a banhammer either. Essentially, we have no active moderators across the whole of these forums and we have no moderators in General and Completely Unrelated, which is were they are needed most. Expect to see spam threads stay up for weeks on end if we're lucky.

The situation will be like it was this time last year, but with a few differences:

Unlike this time last year, we have a crazed, teenage, wannabe Viking furry who wishes death on the forums and several of its members (including yours truly).

We have the Mako situation (I'm not going to get into that, but it's certainly something that could be troublesome).

And, unlike last year, we don't have Jari. Even when he has no banhammer, he has "ways" of getting people to leave.

Unless the people with global moderation and admin powers become more active, or new global mods/admins are made, or Jari comes back very quickly, we may have some troublesome times ahead for a while.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 02:27:43: Quote from: titeguy3 on 2010-03-31 01:12:17
I do hope you'll stick around or check back in here even if only for the lulz or to express your opinion to a group of existentially questionable people of above-average-on-average intelligence, conceited or hypocritical as some of them may tend to be.

At any rate, a forum as productive as this one needs some proper moderation to prevent things from getting out of hand and productive members from becoming upset and leaving. Without you around, we're going to be short-handed, unless (the active moderators I can think of off the top of my head) SL, Timu, and halkun (and perhaps even Qhimm himself, he seems to be posting more often these days than I'm used to) can pick up the slack.

Here's to hoping that in the future, the mods already developed here will be seen as in their infancy, and Qhimm will be going strong.

Timu and I are only mods of our own little corner of Qhimm. We have no authority over anything else.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 02:30:58: Is this what it felt like for Harry Potter when Dumbledore died?

In any case, I very highly doubt that this is an April Fools thing.

Be prepared, everyone. The dawn of Armageddon approaches...
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 02:36:16: I think I'd like Qhimm to step in here and clear things up. In my opinion - which is probably not worth anyone's time, mind you - it's his forum. I know he's a busy guy, we all are. But something this monumental needs an answer. Unless I'm not catching some things? I've followed the whole mako ordeal, and lived through Sefer and Hermoor. Can we be enlightened?
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-03-31 02:38:14: Not to be a douche, but it isn't nice to assume this is a joke. He is hurt/played and some are assuming it's an April Fools thing. I know you guys are saying that because you want him back and I wouldn't see why not but you shouldn't go about thinking this is a joke. Anyways, Jari, I recall you once insulting me and at the time, it kinda upset me, but I'm over it. Anywho you were the law around here; haven't seen Halkun post or anything like that in such a long time. Well, only time will tell and if you decide to come back, that's awesome. Anyways for the time being, take care of yourself and those pictures you have taken are really well!

PS: By the way, thank you for the Rubicks Cube wallpaper. That was a nice thing of you to do for me. :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 02:38:59: That would be going too far for an April Fool's joke. Causing confusion and commotion in a forum for the lulz? That ain't right. Believe me, this is real.

As for having no moderators, I believe (or hope) that Qhimm does something about it *fast*. Either he finds someone to be a moderator or he takes care of things himself (tho apparently he's way too busy, so I'd much prefer the first option).
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 02:41:31: We're not assuming - only utterly dumbfounded that it has come to this. So please forgive for dealing with it that way. We know that isn't it, but hey, it gave us a little hope. Jari was the sheriff, and a good one. We kinda need him back, he is a class-a guy.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-03-31 02:43:42: No ones assuming it's a joke. We're HOPING it's a joke.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 02:44:20: Quote from: drcloudgud88 on 2010-03-31 02:38:14
Not to be a douche, but it isn't nice to assume this is a joke. He is hurt/played and some are assuming it's an April Fools thing. I know you guys are saying that because you want him back and I wouldn't see why not but you shouldn't go about thinking this is a joke.

In their defense, they don't assume or think that it is a joke. They pray to the high heavens that it is a joke 'cause if it's not, the situation doesn't look good. But I think they realize that this probably is not a joke. (For one thing, something of that nature just doesn't come across as something Jari would do, does it?)

EDIT: Damn it, you two! I tried to be your hero and jump to your defense, but you're just too fast! >:(
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 02:45:09: Quote from: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 02:41:31
We're not assuming - only utterly dumbfounded that it has come to this. So please forgive for dealing with it that way. We know that isn't it, but hey, it gave us a little hope. Jari was the sheriff, and a good one. We kinda need him back, he is a class-a guy.

Yeah, I know. I try to think that he will be back, or at least I hope it will happen. This is how I'm dealing with it right now.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-03-31 02:47:12: I think we're all just feeling like someone died. Well Bandito kinda did. Let's hope he comes back. I still kinda wanna hear from Qhimm on the whole deal.

EDIT: Ha thanks Seer. I've been following this thread close.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 02:57:07: Today is 31st March, not april 1st, though nothing would surprise me about the (former) admin of this forum. Sweet dreams :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 03:05:29: Well, there are people who do April Fools stuff in advance, simply because it's all so predictable on April Fools Day. But again, I doubt the date has any relation to this action from Jari.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mendelevium on 2010-03-31 03:13:33: Jari,

I never got to thank you. You treated me fairly, even after I did something so obviously bad. You showed me kindness, where most moderators would have just banned me. I will miss talking to you on the IRC, you are really quite fun to talk to ;).

Thanks for taking up the torch when our forums were plauged with trolls, you were a good moderator.

I will miss you, you big cat luvver. ;).

yours,
Mendy_Chan
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:50:41: Hello All!

I can confirm that Jari/Ammo did infact unban me. Although I would like very much to return but I am to ashamed to go back I hate that Jari quit he was a great Admin. Furthermore I am deeply upset that Qhimm lost a good friend today and I am sorry for that. But one thing an Admin should not do which Ammo did was air his problems to the Qhimm forum and his discussion should have stayed between them. Also he does not have the authority to remove such a ban on me or anyone else. Even still in light of this new info I maintain that I am not who he thinks I am.It is a shame that he could not see past his hate for masteraden. Just like to point out one more thing nobody is the hero here Jari I am still gone and Qhimm has lost a friend.

This will be the last post here untill I get conformation from the Admin that I am unbanned . To those of you who think this forum has taken its worst hit ever I do need to remind you that Jari and Qhimm have had there disagreements in the past and all has turned out ok as will this incedent.
Thought I'm not sure what "social hacking" is I can garentee that the ownership of the forums are not going anywhare.

Jari is somehow confusing worded posts as "saving the forum" there just words people even if the whole forum falls into chaos it can be restored to an earlyer date at just a click of a mouse.

To the people posting negative stuff about me (kudistos,princelex,the seer of shadows) although I do not know any of you except kudistos you are right in your suspicions about me from the outside I look like the worst troll ever too hit these forums. But I just wan't to say a couple of things in my defence. Both Qhimm and Ammo have an idea of how a troll should behave heck all of you do now tell me when you look at my posts back when I called you all my friends. All I did here was help people diddn't troll. I was happy; and you guy's were fun escpecally you kudistos how can you act so harshly without knowing all the facts? Ammo anf Qhimm themselves have defended me that is were the confusion I think took place is when they began to ask themselves (I think) why does it feel so wrong to ban her. Again im just talking out of my bum but I helped as much as I could and still consider all of you my friends even though my involuntary actions brought you down I am SO sorry I did not mean to hurt you all so bad and now my actions led to Jari quitting I can never face you guys I am ashamed I am to blame for you and Qhimm losing a friend I have beged them to end it I diddn't want to be unband and if I was as bad as Jari made me sound why do I feel so terrible I just want it all to go back to the way it was when we had fun...

P.S Forgive typo's as when typed I was crying I do that alot lately....
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-31 03:56:22: I'm under the impression that Qhimm wanted (or was at least contemplating) unbanning you, so you may as well stay until more light is shed on all of this.

Speaking of which, I would really like to know what he plans to do since we are now basically admin-less once again.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:59:14: Quote from: obesebear on 2010-03-31 03:56:22
I'm under the impression that Qhimm wanted (or was at least contemplating) unbanning you, so you may as well stay until more light is shed on all of this.

Speaking of which, I would really like to know what he plans to do since we are now basically admin-less once again.
Nothing would make me more happy..I just dont think people would treat me the same...
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 04:07:24: Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:50:41
To the people posting negative stuff about me (kudistos,princelex,the seer of shadows) although I do not know any of you except kudistos you are right in your suspicions about me from the outside I look like the worst troll ever too hit these forums. But I just wan't to say a couple of things in my defence. Both Qhimm and Ammo have an idea of how a troll should behave heck all of you do now tell me when you look at my posts back when I called you all my friends. All I did here was help people diddn't troll. I was happy; and you guy's were fun escpecally you kudistos how can you act so harshly without knowing all the facts?

Where did I do that?

If you're talking about my post earlier in this thread, I didn't mean that you were definitely a troll. I said that the "Mako situation" could be troublesome (i.e. if you really are who Jari suspected you were, emphasis on the "if"); I'm not really sure what to believe, so I'm trying to stay neutral in this. Until I know the full story, I'm not going to make any comments saying you definitely are a troll or you definitely are not. As you said, I don't know all the facts, so I'm not sure about anything and won't pretend to be.

Also, it's worth noting that my trust in people being who they say they are is temporarily lower thanks to another recent incident.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 04:08:59: Just a few notes, and I'm gonna try to make this as objective as possible.

Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:50:41
But one thing an Admin should not do which Ammo did was air his problems to the Qhimm forum and his discussion should have stayed between them.

There has been so much confusion going on in the forum and everyone was wondering what was happening when you got banned. And of course, "Suspected to be an old troll" just isn't going to cut it. So I disagree with keeping us in the dark when it comes to important matters like these. It would just cause more confusion and sadness.

Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:50:41
I diddn't want to be unband

Quote from: Jari on 2010-03-31 00:43:10
Then I got offered a forum of my own. And money. Which was kinda creepy.

By the looks of it, it seems like you had been trying to bribe yourself back into the forum, so it's hard for me to believe it when you say you didn't want to get unbanned.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mako on 2010-03-31 04:22:24: Quote from: Tifa Gurl on 2010-03-31 04:08:59
Just a few notes, and I'm gonna try to make this as objective as possible.

Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:50:41
But one thing an Admin should not do which Ammo did was air his problems to the Qhimm forum and his discussion should have stayed between them.

There has been so much confusion going on in the forum and everyone was wondering what was happening when you got banned. And of course, "Suspected to be an old troll" just isn't going to cut it. So I disagree with keeping us in the dark when it comes to important matters like these. It would just cause more confusion and sadness.

Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 03:50:41
I diddn't want to be unband

Quote from: Jari on 2010-03-31 00:43:10
Then I got offered a forum of my own. And money. Which was kinda creepy.

By the looks of it, it seems like you had been trying to bribe yourself back into the forum, so it's hard for me to believe it when you say you didn't want to get unbanned.

Like I said Tifa Gurl you don't know the whole story I was trying to find out how much info he had

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Like I said, more details to follow, and I am very, very tempted to mention both her and her husband's actual details right about now.

Now with not knowing how much he had I begged him not too. Even offered money and a forum of his own
I was a wreck some guy on the internet is doing background checks on me I was scared. Also like to point out I've always wanted to come back but again it wouldn't be the same. This guy new alot and you would be afraid to.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-03-31 04:39:45: I would hardly say I was posting negative stuff about you. I was just looking at the situation objectively.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-31 04:39:52: I don't think anyone here has enough information to make any judgements on you, good or bad. Are you masteraden? Maybe. Are you his gf or a friend of a friend? Maybe. The point is, no one really knows anyone else around here. For all anyone around here knows I could be Qhimm or RPGillespie, hell I could even be an alternate account Jari made a few years back. The point being it's the internet, it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 04:46:11: Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 04:22:24
I was a wreck some guy on the internet is doing background checks on me I was scared.

Quote from: Jari on 2010-03-31 00:43:10
First I get gagged and dragged from our own IRC channel into a nice little chat with Esper.Net server OPs. Because you see, I have stolen credit card information and intimidated people. That was settled fairly quickly when the OPs realized that the former was not even theoretically possible, and for the latter; the person whom I so intimidated told me that she wanted me to be her friend, just before saying goodbye.

Like he said, finding out such personal information was impossible. He was also being very kind to you during this whole issue. He did feel an attachment towards you and was sad about the whole thing. It's not like he was being all "scary internet man" with you.

Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 04:22:24
Like I said Tifa Gurl you don't know the whole story

This is why we need to enlighten people on Qhimm with what's happening. :P People will get wrong ideas.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 04:47:04: Internet drama... lolololololol
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: GlitterBerri on 2010-03-31 04:51:28: Jari - while I agree with some of the points you raised, I nonetheless think it is vital that the moderators of this forum are not participating in troll baiting or bullying users. Pointless threads like these scare off new members and heavily detract from the focus of the forums, which will degenerate into drama and arguing. I'm sorry you're leaving.

Mako - You're right. Due to the controversy surrounding you, it is unlikely people will see you in the same light regardless of the admins' decision. For now, your ban is lifted. Thank your lucky stars and make a new account with a different name to shed the past and avoid ill will.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 04:52:09: Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 04:47:04
Internet drama... lolololololol

If you don't have anything constructive to say please refrain from posting. To some of us he was (still is) a friend and this is a big deal.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 04:55:34: Well, I guess it's my turn to weigh in on this

So, as I've said before, I've been around here since 2006, but didn't start posting regularly until a few weeks ago. That being said, I feel like my knowledge of everybody is somewhere between "n00b" and "veteran". I hate the fact that Ammo felt the need to leave. However, it does seem like he was pushed to it, and while I don't like it, I can say that I understand his reasons for doing so.

Masteraden, as I said before, I have no real idea of what you did, so I'm going to completely forgo judgement on you. I'm just not well informed enough

Mako, while this does tie into the whole Masteraden thing, this situation I understand about as well as anybody here... I don't know what to believe, as I've observed, you're a great person, but at this time, we really don't have any true way of verifying that you are who you say you are, except your word. As much as I would like to believe you are who you say you are, I can't. At the same time, however, I can't believe you're an alt for Masteraden. I just don't know who or what to believe.

Seifer, I was absent during your time. I have nothing to say on the matter

Hermoor, if you are reading this. I'll put this as nice as I possibly can. You did a horrible job at trying to troll us, to the point where we just reversed it, and you didn't seem to get it. I have no problem with you being around here, as long as you actually contribute something, to be honest. As it stands though, you do nothing but give us something to laugh at when bored, and it gets old after a while.

Qhimm, You've really gotta talk Ammo into coming back, or appoint new mods. I think the best nominations have already been made. So I have nothing more to add to that. Except, that I fear this whole scenario could threaten the life of this forum. Not that this reflects on you, or any of us really. This has just been a situation that makes a whole community unstable, and that tends to happen now and then.

Everybody else... Let's not let this forum die
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 04:56:42: Quote from: GlitterBerri on 2010-03-31 04:51:28
Mako - You're right. Due to the controversy surrounding you, it is unlikely people will see you in the same light regardless of the admins' decision. For now, your ban is lifted. Thank your lucky stars and make a new account with a different name to shed the past and avoid ill will.

Wouldn't making a new account just cause more trouble in the end when she'd be discovered? @_@ It would also make people trust her less and make the whole Master-Aden story more plausible.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:00:43: Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 04:52:09
Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 04:47:04
Internet drama... lolololololol

If you don't have anything constructive to say please refrain from posting. To some of us he was (still is) a friend and this is a big deal.

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that this was a game modding forum. But apparently people can't just shut up and be content with what this is supposed to be, can they? If nobody replied to the trolls, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. I do remember Jari trolling a lot shortly before he was an admin. I've never cared for him, he just antagonized the trolls. Personally, I think we'll be fine if someone else fills this gap.

In any case, I find it hilarious that people can get so worked up about these things on a video game forum. It's just funny and a little sad.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 05:04:53: Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:00:43
Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 04:52:09
Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 04:47:04
Internet drama... lolololololol

If you don't have anything constructive to say please refrain from posting. To some of us he was (still is) a friend and this is a big deal.

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that this was a game modding forum. But apparently people can't just shut up and be content with what this is supposed to be, can they? If nobody replied to the trolls, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. I do remember Jari trolling a lot shortly before he was an admin. I've never cared for him, he just antagonized the trolls. Personally, I think we'll be fine if someone else fills this gap.

In any case, I find it hilarious that people can get so worked up about these things on a video game forum. It's just funny and a little sad.

I was under the impression that this was in the completely unrelated section of the forum. IE not related to video games or modding at all.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 05:06:07: Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 05:04:53
Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:00:43
Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-03-31 04:52:09
Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 04:47:04
Internet drama... lolololololol

If you don't have anything constructive to say please refrain from posting. To some of us he was (still is) a friend and this is a big deal.

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that this was a game modding forum. But apparently people can't just shut up and be content with what this is supposed to be, can they? If nobody replied to the trolls, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. I do remember Jari trolling a lot shortly before he was an admin. I've never cared for him, he just antagonized the trolls. Personally, I think we'll be fine if someone else fills this gap.

In any case, I find it hilarious that people can get so worked up about these things on a video game forum. It's just funny and a little sad.

I was under the impression that this was in the completely unrelated section of the forum. IE not related to video games or modding at all.
I was also under the impression that this is a community where we make friends as well, and one of them just left, causing a good deal of sadness within us.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mako on 2010-03-31 05:06:35: Quote
Like he said, finding out such personal information was impossible.

Nothing is impossible that is how fraud happens and I pray you don't experience it.

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He was also being very kind to you during this whole issue. He did feel an attachment towards you and was sad about the whole thing. It's not like he was being all "scary internet man" with you.
Your right after we talked I felt much better but still doesn't change how I responded to his threat.

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This is why we need to enlighten people on Qhimm with what's happening. :P People will get wrong ideas.
I agree but its likely such info would not satisfy anyone my FiancÃ©e was a banned member of this forum I did not know this and walked right into Ammo's rage but the suck thing about it all is I was a decent contributing member before my ban so then things got complicated (I think). I am a nice person and wish no ill will no anyone on these forums and even refused to troll even when asked repeatedly by former trolls. So what would be the harm in letting me hang out? If I was who Ammo accused me of I would have trolled at least a little by now or done something anything that normal trolls do. I also beg for Ammo's return even though he banned me and will probably do it again I still call for his return.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 05:07:14: Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:00:43
In any case, I find it hilarious that people can get so worked up about these things on a video game forum. It's just funny and a little sad.

So you must find it funny to make friends online? Being in a video game forum does require some kind of devotion if you want things to get done, and whether you like it or not you might just in fact develop friendships with the people you are working with. And when things aren't going well for people you care for (yes you can care for someone you've never met in real life), of course you're going to get all worked up, unless you don't have a heart. Maybe you find this idea funny, well that's fine, we don't. Just please try not to make an arse out of yourself.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-31 05:08:27: Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:00:43
I do remember Jari trolling a lot shortly before he was an admin. I've never cared for him, he just antagonized the trolls. Personally, I think we'll be fine if someone else fills this gap.
Yeah it did stir up a lot more trolling from said individuals. But without having any mod or admin rights how else might you suggest a member get rid of someone? Honestly, I would like to know. There are too many members here for ignoring to work, someone will always respond. Unless of course you then threaten to ban the members who respond, but what sense does that make. Maybe you didn't like him too much, but if we were all the same, how fun of a place would this really be?

Anyways, I suppose the best action to take is to just keep doing what we do and not worry about this too much.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:09:27: True, but where do all the problems come from? If everyone wanted to mod or to get mods we should all be fine. Why then are there so many problems?

Probably because of people who are too involved with their online lives. Anyways, at the risk of being labeled a troll, I'm done here.

EDIT: Obesebear has the right idea "Anyways, I suppose the best action to take is to just keep doing what we do and not worry about this too much."
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 05:12:08: Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 05:06:35
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Like he said, finding out such personal information was impossible.

Nothing is impossible that is how fraud happens and I pray you don't experience it.

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He was also being very kind to you during this whole issue. He did feel an attachment towards you and was sad about the whole thing. It's not like he was being all "scary internet man" with you.
Your right after we talked I felt much better but still doesn't change how I responded to his threat.

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This is why we need to enlighten people on Qhimm with what's happening. :P People will get wrong ideas.
I agree but its likely such info would not satisfy anyone my FiancÃ©e was a banned member of this forum I did not know this and walked right into Ammo's rage but the suck thing about it all is I was a decent contributing member before my ban so then things got complicated (I think). I am a nice person and wish no ill will no anyone on these forums and even refused to troll even when asked repeatedly by former trolls. So what would be the harm in letting me hang out? If I was who Ammo accused me of I would have trolled at least a little by now or done something anything that normal trolls do. I also beg for Ammo's return even though he banned me and will probably do it again I still call for his return.

You know. I said earlier that I couldn't believe what you say, nor could I believe that you're lying. I really do want to believe that you're telling the truth. I think that if you sit down, and talk with some higher ups at this forum (not necessarily mods or admins, just well known people), and explain the whole situation. As well as give some personal information (not too much, just real names should do, as well as pictures or something of the sort), and have them pass their opinion onto us, I think it'll resolve itself. It's a lot to ask, I know. I'd be scared shitless of doing just that, but... It may be the only way to sort this whole thing out =(
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-31 05:12:22: Quote from: Sefurosu on 2010-03-31 05:09:27
True, but where do all the problems come from? If everyone wanted to mod or to get mods we should all be fine. Why then are there so many problems?

Probably because of people who are too involved with their online lives. Anyways, at the risk of being labeled a troll, I'm done here.

EDIT: Obesebear has the right idea "Anyways, I suppose the best action to take is to just keep doing what we do and not worry about this too much."
Yeah, but there are always people wanting to stir up trouble. It's almost like saying, we all just want to eat and have fun, so why is there crime? Usually around here any initial trolling seems to come from an ill timed joke or a miniscule disagreement about nothing.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mako on 2010-03-31 05:16:40: Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 05:12:08
Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 05:06:35
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Like he said, finding out such personal information was impossible.

Nothing is impossible that is how fraud happens and I pray you don't experience it.

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He was also being very kind to you during this whole issue. He did feel an attachment towards you and was sad about the whole thing. It's not like he was being all "scary internet man" with you.
Your right after we talked I felt much better but still doesn't change how I responded to his threat.

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This is why we need to enlighten people on Qhimm with what's happening. :P People will get wrong ideas.
I agree but its likely such info would not satisfy anyone my FiancÃ©e was a banned member of this forum I did not know this and walked right into Ammo's rage but the suck thing about it all is I was a decent contributing member before my ban so then things got complicated (I think). I am a nice person and wish no ill will no anyone on these forums and even refused to troll even when asked repeatedly by former trolls. So what would be the harm in letting me hang out? If I was who Ammo accused me of I would have trolled at least a little by now or done something anything that normal trolls do. I also beg for Ammo's return even though he banned me and will probably do it again I still call for his return.

You know. I said earlier that I couldn't believe what you say, nor could I believe that you're lying. I really do want to believe that you're telling the truth. I think that if you sit down, and talk with some higher ups at this forum (not necessarily mods or admins, just well known people), and explain the whole situation. As well as give some personal information (not too much, just real names should do, as well as pictures or something of the sort), and have them pass their opinion onto us, I think it'll resolve itself. It's a lot to ask, I know. I'd be scared sh*tless of doing just that, but... It may be the only way to sort this whole thing out =(

They are fully aware of the situation and I believe they had pics of both of us judging from the first post...
Scary Stuff.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 05:22:59: Now that he has gone, I think we can expect a lot of formerly quiet people to come out from under their bridges and talk about how awful Jari was and how great things will be without him :roll:

Just know that he was a very important part of the Qhimm.com ecosystem ;D; even if you don't like his methods, you should accept that his existence is responsible for the forums being as productive as they are and for order being kept (for the most part). As he said, in real life you can't have whiter-than-white good guys; sometimes, people have to make difficult choices for the greater good. There's no pure white, but there are lighter shades of grey.

Jari is a perfect example of that truth; he does things that might make him look like the bad guy in the eyes of people who don't know any better, but he's actually the guy who makes hard choices and who makes sacrifices but who gets the job done.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 05:29:17: Quote from: Mako on 2010-03-31 05:16:40
They are fully aware of the situation and I believe they had pics of both of us judging from the first post...
Scary Stuff.

Well you *did* post your pics in this forum. You could have kept them to yourself if you found it creepy.

Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 05:22:59
Jari is a perfect example of that truth; he does things that might make him look like the bad guy in the eyes of people who don't know any better, but he's actually the guy who makes hard choices and who makes sacrifices but who gets the job done.

^ This.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 05:29:55: @Mako:

I don't recall ever calling you the "worst troll ever". You don't even qualify as a troll. What I did say is that if your identity is a ruse, then I'm impressed at how well you deceive. Because you don't seem to be up to anything evil at all.

If you are innocent, then don't take offense at my words. I don't trust you, but i don't dislike you either. I don't trust people easily, not even my own friends in real life. So seriously, don't be offended.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-03-31 05:38:34: Quote from: Mako
....afraid of people looking at me different...
If you want to reintegrate back here (considering you aren't banned shortly) your best bet is to ignore any posts about it. And eventually, people will forget.

Completely clearing your name is impossible outside of producing pictures of masteraden making posts IRL and then pics of you posting IRL. Which obviously will not happen. None of us know anything about anything. So make posts just like you use to, and let us all slowly forget about it.

EDIT FOR GRAMMAR
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 06:24:47: HAI HERMOOR. I herd you're reading this.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 06:33:34: (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3846/thankgodwithblowjob.jpg)

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Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 06:34:53: Heh heh... :P Oh boy, it's gonna be a long post. He's been at it for quite some time now. STOP KEEPING US FROM WAITING. /cry
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 06:35:01: My seer senses are tingling...

The signs point to a post from Hermoor... Be ready for it!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Mendelevium on 2010-03-31 06:35:27: *wonders what happened to ignoring him* XD.

*edit*
"while you were typing this 2 messages were posted"
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 06:37:07: Quote from: Mendelevium on 2010-03-31 06:35:27
*wonders what happened to ignoring him* XD.

*edit*
"while you were typing this 2 messages were posted"

Hehe... he is a very speshil troll you see. ;D He needs love and speshil attention.

EDIT: We can ignore him when we're done playing with him.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 06:38:12: Quote from: Tifa Gurl on 2010-03-31 06:34:53
Heh heh... :P Oh boy, it's gonna be a long post. He's been at it for quite some time now. STOP KEEPING US FROM WAITING. /cry

The waiting is always worth it; it takes him a long time to produce good quality lulz ;D

Quote from: Mendelevium on 2010-03-31 06:35:27
*wonders what happened to ignoring him* XD.

Sowwy, it's too hard to resist. It's too much fun as well :P

Quote from: Tifa Gurl on 2010-03-31 06:37:07
Hehe... he is a very speshil troll you see. ;D He needs love and speshil attention.

Yeah, he's just a speshil person :D
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 06:56:39: OH BOY HERBIE'S HOME... I CAN'T WAIT!!! =D
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 06:57:50: Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 06:56:39
OH BOY HERBIE'S HOME... I CAN'T WAIT!!! =D

Lol, are you done with trying to reason with him/knock some sense into him? Sounds like you just want to play around with him now. ^^
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 06:58:57: Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 06:56:39
OH BOY HERBIE'S HOME... I CAN'T WAIT!!! =D

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 06:59:40: Quote from: Tifa Gurl on 2010-03-31 06:57:50
Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 06:56:39
OH BOY HERBIE'S HOME... I CAN'T WAIT!!! =D

Lol, are you done with trying to reason with him/knock some sense into him? Sounds like you just want to play around with him now. ^^

Depends on what he posts. If it's intelligent and thought out, I will treat it as such. Knowing him however, it won't be, thusly I get to tear it down in the way that everybody seems to like seeing me do.

Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 06:58:57
Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 06:56:39
OH BOY HERBIE'S HOME... I CAN'T WAIT!!! =D

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5!

Exactly

EDIT: Alright, chower time... Hopefully Herbie posts before I get out, then after I destroy said post, I can go to bed =D
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 07:03:59: This post has now taken half an hour. It had better be worth it, Hermaphrodite!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 07:12:45: Na... nani?

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/robinamused.jpg)

I was expecting better. :<
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 07:17:57: .....Really...that's it? That's the best you could do... Proclaim yourself a victor for not being the match that lit the fuse? I'm disappointed... I expected some epic fail, not failing at epic fail.

EDIT: To cheer everybody up, here's some music from a Swedish band that I happen to enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnaeImQ0TSg (I'm so pissed I passed up my chance to go see them a few months ago)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 07:19:19: Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 07:17:57
.....Really...that's it? That's the best you could do... Proclaim yourself a victor for not being the match that lit the fuse? I'm disappointed... I expected some epic fail, not failing at epic fail.

He thinks that he is one of the reasons Jari left. He thinks he's important. *chuckles* ;D
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 07:23:03: Quote from: Tifa Gurl on 2010-03-31 07:19:19
Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 07:17:57
.....Really...that's it? That's the best you could do... Proclaim yourself a victor for not being the match that lit the fuse? I'm disappointed... I expected some epic fail, not failing at epic fail.

He thinks that he is one of the reasons Jari left. He thinks he's important. *chuckles* ;D

*snicker* Herbie... important? HAH, I'm only up because it's 3:30 AM, II have nothing to do tomorrow, or right now for that matter. Maybe I'll go to sleep
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 07:28:39: Ohayou Hermie-kun!

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9780/1247247715926.gif)

Really, I was expecting better; it took you almost an hour to copy and paste some lyrics from a film aimed at paedophiles?

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6591/fuinternet.jpg)

Quote from: Tifa Gurl on 2010-03-31 07:12:45
Na... nani?

I was expecting better. :<

My feelings exactly.

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7108/konatareactiondontgivea.jpg)

Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:10:25
My task here is completed, you should thank Seifer, Mako and myself. The Berlin wall has just been razed, Hitler has finally commited suicide.
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6726/konataisthatso.png)

I hate to tell you, but Jari's departure had nothing to do with you. He enjoyed keeping you around as a pet to play with, as we all did.

No, he left for completely different reasons and you had no part in it.

BTW, use your old account Cloudssil FFS. People went to the trouble of finding a pic for you and some new text you ungrateful little shit. C'mon "my heart is a black abyss"? That suits your character perfectly. :-*
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 07:38:10: Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 07:28:39
BTW, use your old account Cloudssil FFS. People went to the trouble of finding a pic for you and some new text you ungrateful little sh*t. C'mon "my heart is a black abyss"? That suits your character perfectly. :-*

This
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:38:46: Promise me one thing, don't make that guy admin... :wink:
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 07:41:21: Hermie-kun, you say that your video is a good representation of Swedish, culture, but to me it looks like a weird old paedophile grooming a little boy. Or is that Swedish culture? (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Anontalk.com) ;D
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 07:42:20: Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:38:46
Promise me one thing, don't make that guy admin... :wink:

Who, Kudistos? OH SHI... I never akshully thought of that happening. But you know what, come to think of it, I think he'd make a great admin. ;D Him being the second person with the longest signed in time (and well, now the first since Jari's gone). I can see him being an awesome moderator like Jari. ^^
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 07:45:59: Quote from: Tifa Anxiousheart on 2010-03-31 07:42:20
Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:38:46
Promise me one thing, don't make that guy admin... :wink:

Who, Kudistos? OH SHI... I never akshully thought of that happening. But you know what, come to think of it, I think he'd make a great admin. ;D Him being the second person with the longest signed in time (and well, now the first since Jari's gone). I can see him being an awesome moderator like Jari. ^^

I Second making Kudistos admin in Jari's place
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 07:48:28: Awwww, you guys!

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2913/kawaiif.png)

Hey, if I do become an admin, it will all be because of Hermoor ;)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 07:49:51: Well, seeing as Qhimm is big on his democratic debates and votes for who gets banned, methinks we should do so with choosing our admin. *giggles*

EDIT:

Quote from: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 07:48:28
Hey, if I do become an admin, it will all be because of Hermoor ;)

Hee. True: Hermoor sparked that idea in my head. Thanks Hermie. :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 07:52:11: This thread is becoming a Konata blog :-P

I guess, now that Jari is gone, Hermoor has less motivation to... well, be himself. Half the attention he got was from Jari.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 07:53:45: So here's the tally thus far

Kudistos: 2

uhh.... that's all the votes that've been put in. As of now, Kudistos is the only person to have been nominated and the nomination been seconded
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 07:55:44: If we are to elect an admin, there should be a poll for it. Just so that the statistics are clearly recorded and accessible.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 07:57:48: Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 07:52:11
Half the attention he got was from Jari.

~~I'd have to argue that 50% of the ATTN came from KM. :P 30% from Jari and 10% from the rest of us.~~ Wait... one sec...

I'd have to argue that 60% of the ATTN came from KM. :P 30% from Jari and 10% from the rest of us.

EDIT:

Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:57:07
Quote
but to me it looks like a weird old paedophile grooming a little boy.
Seifer is helping me translating the video into understandable good sounding english as we speak. I know you are just baiting...but if you seriously believe that video is about a pedophile and a kid you are really dellusional. Bait not taken...

And if you make Kudistos admin, enjoy a even more f***ed up forum...ahh I'm tired of you all. Not even with ammo gone have you grown out of the illusion. All the smart people leave, Mako Ammo Seifer...me...I promise you the last one to leave this forum will be Kudistos. You are the true herpes of this forum. If only you would leave, this forum would be healthy and clean. It has always been Ammo and kudistos...now it's only kudistos....hitlers lapdog...

If you make him a admin you are only replacing one dictator with another...

ROFL. ;D Now this is the *good* stuff that i've kinda missed. I find Hermie's failtrolling is a lot more appealing than all this drama we've been having the past few weeks. *sighs*

And to think that when Mako got banned, Hermoor tried to bring her in his circle of trolls who got banninated from Qhimm. He actually thinks Mako is one of the "smart people who leave" and that want to get their "revenge" back at Qhimm by trawling. I honestly feel bad for Mako now, if anything because of the fact that Hermoor likes her.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:04:29: Oh yeah... should give KM more credit, shouldn't I?

Hermoor isn't posting anything entertaining...

Gah! This is the worst day EVAH!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 08:07:13: Give it a bit of time, he's warming up. I can smell it. :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:08:15: Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:04:29
Oh yeah... should give KM more credit, shouldn't I?

Hermoor isn't posting anything entertaining...

Gah! This is the worst day EVAH!! >:( >:( >:(

Actually, he did, watch as I demonstrate

Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:57:07
And if you make Kudistos admin, enjoy a even more f***ed up forum...ahh I'm tired of you all. Not even with ammo gone have you grown out of the illusion. All the smart people leave, Mako Ammo Seifer...me...I promise you the last one to leave this forum will be Kudistos. You are the true herpes of this forum. If only you would leave, this forum would be healthy and clean. It has always been Ammo and kudistos...now it's only kudistos....hitlers lapdog...

If you make him a admin you are only replacing one dictator with another...

A more f***ed up forum you say. I didn't see anything f***ed up beforehand. It seems like only the people who were banned didn't like Ammo... I wonder why that is. I also highly doubt you grasp the concept of what a dictator is, considering that there is more than one Admin, thereby completely bypassing any possibility of a dictatorship forming
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:11:49: Oh yeah? I bet I can do better than that. Watch.

Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:57:07
And if you make Kudistos admin, enjoy a even more f***ed up forum...ahh I'm tired of you all. Not even with ammo gone have you grown out of the illusion. All the smart people leave, Mako Ammo Seifer...me...I promise you the last one to leave this forum will be Kudistos. You are the true herpes of this forum. If only you would leave, this forum would be healthy and clean. It has always been Ammo and kudistos...now it's only kudistos....hitlers lapdog...

If you make him a admin you are only replacing one dictator with another...

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:13:23: Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:11:49
Oh yeah? I bet I can do better than that. Watch.

Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 07:57:07
And if you make Kudistos admin, enjoy a even more f***ed up forum...ahh I'm tired of you all. Not even with ammo gone have you grown out of the illusion. All the smart people leave, Mako Ammo Seifer...me...I promise you the last one to leave this forum will be Kudistos. You are the true herpes of this forum. If only you would leave, this forum would be healthy and clean. It has always been Ammo and kudistos...now it's only kudistos....hitlers lapdog...

If you make him a admin you are only replacing one dictator with another...

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!

... you outdid me, and now, because I'm so emo, I'm gonna go cut myself and play Final Fantasy VII because Sephiroth understands my pain, and nobody else does D=
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:16:12: Damn. You've outdone me now. I've met my match :-(
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 08:17:09: Aww Cactus. Is your heart nothing but a black abyss also? You and I have something in common. Now if you don't mind I'm going to go slit words into my wrists, like "depression, sorrow, pain, angst".
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:20:13: Quote from: Tifa Anxiousheart on 2010-03-31 08:17:09
Aww Cactus. Is your heart nothing but a black abyss also? You and I have something in common. Now if you don't mind I'm going to go slit words into my wrists, like "depression, sorrow, pain, angst".

1) damn you guys, it''s now 4:19 AM, and I can't sleep

2) (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs21/f/2007/232/0/c/Emo_Sephiroth_Chibi_by_Annemar.jpg)

3) I suggest you use Derby Extra brand razorblades. They're not the sharpest so they hurt more
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 08:24:56: 1) Yeah... what's with tonight? No one being able to sleep and all. Probably cuz of a rather eventful evening + night. It's 4:20 here as well, and I'm going to put the blame on that coffee I drank in the evening. Coffee really has a strong effect on me.

2) I actually find that pic cute. XD (First find in google images when you type "emo sephiroth" eh? :P)

3) I'll look into that. I usually use mah rusty sciz0rz. :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:26:47: Well, I'm a major Sephiroth fanboy, so I'm going to cut the Super Nova equations into my wrists.

(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/a/a8/a86/1f86f63947224d8770e79b66877101.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/5/5c/5c8/e6a21d8f5b82bc07cd58894f6a3171.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/c/c6/c6e/dbf867c23dc4cacaa3a91df75d7e31.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/e/e6/e6f/cb9e1eec4151aab1b2fc7cce155e91.png)

SO KOOL!!

P.S. It's 4:26 in the afternoon where I am. Usually, I feel left out because everything that takes place here seems to happen while I'm sleeping. So today's a glorious exception!

EDIT: P.P.S. Hermoor IV isn't even online anymore. Guess he really is settling down. Either that, or he's making preparations for the great storm.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:30:40: Quote from: Tifa Anxiousheart on 2010-03-31 08:24:56
1) Yeah... what's with tonight? No one being able to sleep and all. Probably cuz of a rather eventful evening + night. It's 4:20 here as well, and I'm going to put the blame on that coffee I drank in the evening. Coffee really has a strong effect on me.

2) I actually find that pic cute. XD (First find in google images when you type "emo sephiroth" eh? :P)

3) I'll look into that. I usually use mah rusty sciz0rz. :)

1) Well right now I'm waiting for my iTunes library to update (downside to having a 11,000+ song music collection, updating iTunes takes FOREVER), then I'll put on Moving Waves by Focus, rock out to the awesome jam at the beginning of the album, and then relax and sleep to the calming sounds of the rest of the album (seriously, it amazes me how different the rest of the album is from the first song)

2) ...I do too, actually, and yep, that's exactly where I got it

3) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/3044140172_9f559e67e3.jpg)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:32:11: Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:26:47
Well, I'm a major Sephiroth fanboy, so I'm going to cut the Super Nova equations into my wrists.

(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/a/a8/a86/1f86f63947224d8770e79b66877101.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/5/5c/5c8/e6a21d8f5b82bc07cd58894f6a3171.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/c/c6/c6e/dbf867c23dc4cacaa3a91df75d7e31.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/e/e6/e6f/cb9e1eec4151aab1b2fc7cce155e91.png)

SO KOOL!!

I was a Sephy fanboy before it was cool to be one. That's what prevents me from feeling like a useless tool. Also, I think you just figured out what I need as a tattoo
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 08:32:48: (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4923/konatareaction.png)

Looks like Hermoor's outta here! ;D

Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 07:53:45
So here's the tally thus far

Kudistos: 2

uhh.... that's all the votes that've been put in. As of now, Kudistos is the only person to have been nominated and the nomination been seconded

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9175/konataaaaaa.png)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 08:36:01: Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:26:47
Well, I'm a major Sephiroth fanboy, so I'm going to cut the Super Nova equations into my wrists.

(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/a/a8/a86/1f86f63947224d8770e79b66877101.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/5/5c/5c8/e6a21d8f5b82bc07cd58894f6a3171.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/c/c6/c6e/dbf867c23dc4cacaa3a91df75d7e31.png)
(http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/e/e6/e6f/cb9e1eec4151aab1b2fc7cce155e91.png)

ROFL :D

Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:26:47
EDIT: P.P.S. Hermoor IV isn't even online anymore. Guess he really is settling down. Either that, or he's making preparations for the great storm.

Well, what time is it in sweden now? Probably time for him to go to school, so he can't poast much now. That's my guess. Anyhow, I too hunger for moar Hermoor Failtrolling. :P

Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 08:30:40
3) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/3044140172_9f559e67e3.jpg)

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/gggraham/529778578_l.jpg)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:36:45: Herbie's gone
iTunes is done

Time for me to sleep to my classic rock, which is so very emo of me. I have to be emo, I like FFVII, so my heart is a black abyss

(Seriously, I'll PM some of you my facebook profile tomorrow (as in Thursday), just so you guys can see how emo I am
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 08:37:43: Quote from: Cloudjack901 on 2010-03-31 08:36:45
so my heart is a black abyss

Aww, that one line that I made up really went a far way. I'm glad. :3

EDIT: And on that note I'm going to go to bed as well. 'Night mina-san!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 08:38:46: Quote from: Tifa Anxiousheart on 2010-03-31 08:36:01
Well, what time is it in sweden now? Probably time for him to go to school, so he can't poast much now. That's my guess. Anyhow, I too hunger for moar Hermoor Failtrolling. :P

I believe it's 10:40 in Sweden right now. :P
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:39:36: As my brother is doing a post-graduate course in astronomy, I remember having a conversation with him about the Super Nova equations. But they don't make complete sense to him. So we concluded that Sephy's knowledge of astrophysics is flawed, hence why Super Nova fails to kill you ;D

Tatoo? Why get a tatoo? What's the point? We're all slowly dying :'(
(Do I sound like an emo? No? 'Kay, I need to try harder...)

EDIT: Why is everyone posting so fffaaaasssstttt!!!!!??!?!??!!!!1111
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-03-31 08:57:53: Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 08:39:36
As my brother is doing a post-graduate course in astronomy, I remember having a conversation with him about the Super Nova equations. But they don't make complete sense to him. So we concluded that Sephy's knowledge of astrophysics is flawed, hence why Super Nova fails to kill you ;D

Tatoo? Why get a tatoo? What's the point? We're all slowly dying :'(
(Do I sound like an emo? No? 'Kay, I need to try harder...)

EDIT: Why is everyone posting so fffaaaasssstttt!!!!!??!?!??!!!!1111

the first two equations calculate the potential attractive forces of the sun, the third one the attractive forces of the earth, and the fourth one is flawed, and says that the asteroid is travelling along a 2d plane.

(I'm a geek and a half sometimes)

also, I don't really care for tattoos, unless they have a personal meaning. Super Nova is one of the few things that would have a meaning to me, since FF VII is/was a large part of my life. The other thing I'd get is my family crest.

In other news: NOW, I can sleep, after finding out my account on waffles.fm was disabled due to activity... even though I haven't been inactive, so I had to get a mod to help me (apparently their inactivity script went berserk)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-03-31 11:23:01: I've been away at uni a whole six hours and this is all that's went on here? *sigh*. Maybe the world isn't going to implode after all. I R DISAPPOINT.

And I miss Jari's LOLcats. They always made me laugh when I was having a boring day.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-03-31 11:45:32: (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/funny-pictures-cat-pretends-to-be-a-book1.jpg)

- http://icanhascheezburger.com/
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: BlitzNCS on 2010-03-31 14:03:26: Woah.
*looks confusedly at the completely unrelated board*

A lot's happened in the 12 hours I've been gone, hasn't it o.O
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sithlord48 on 2010-03-31 14:36:49: @ jari, im gonna miss u man.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: titeguy3 on 2010-03-31 14:54:04: holy shit. so much so fast.

TL;skimmed.

@Ammo we'll miss you
@Mako, welcome back, if people are willing to exchange coherent thoughts with Seifer again, then why wouldn't they want to with someone who hasn't done anything visibly wrong?
@S3ph1r0zu trollol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc)
@Goth-fag-emo-fanboy-cosplayers across the street = death; down the road = attention.
@Hermoor the roman-numeralth trollol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: GlitterBerri on 2010-03-31 18:53:24: I see the topic has degenerated into making fun of people again. At least this time it's just the regular members doing it.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 19:11:10: Quote from: GlitterBerri on 2010-03-31 18:53:24
I see the topic has degenerated into making fun of people again. At least this time it's not endorsed by an admin.

If there was a decent admin and mod here I think there would be more control too, but you are right. What about you? Certainly you are someone I think all of us can respect?
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: GlitterBerri on 2010-03-31 19:54:24: Quote from: Tifa Anxiousheart on 2010-03-31 04:56:42
Wouldn't making a new account just cause more trouble in the end when she'd be discovered? @_@ It would also make people trust her less and make the whole Master-Aden story more plausible.

If she's been OKed to stay by the admins, hopefully she can continue participating in the background without calling too much attention to herself and avoid any more forum drama.

Quote from: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 19:11:10
If there was a decent admin and mod here I think there would be more control too, but you are right. What about you? Certainly you are someone I think all of us can respect?

I don't hang around the forums enough to know what's going on and I've never been a big member of the community.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 19:59:28: GlitterBerri = Seifer = True

He told me earlier of his plan... :roll:
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-03-31 21:04:57: Quote from: Hermoor IV on 2010-03-31 19:59:28
GlitterBerri = Seifer = True

He told me earlier of his plan... :roll:

You are a confused child, Hermoor. :P
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Tsetra on 2010-03-31 21:15:43: This entire situation is disgusting on both sides. Look at yourselves. I rarely come here anymore although I've kept up with all this drama by lurking, but I come here because this is the hub of Final Fantasy VII development with no peer. Why is everyone treating it like some virtual world and hampering progress by bashing people you've never met face to face?

Why the hell is this fight still going on with Hermoor when instead you all should be shaking hands, let the guy start a thread for his project, and if you don't like it here's a great idea: DON'T READ THE THREAD!

On the flipside, Hermoor what are you trying to prove by continuing to try to piss people here off? I get it. Your ego is hurt. Your "situation" was treated like sh*t by the mods and admins and you have reason to be a little upset but let it go. You're working on your project for the sake of FF7, not the forum. If you're not, you need to be. So you don't fit in with the crowd. Who cares? You don't seem to be a bad person when you're not letting yourself sink into flame wars like this.

For what it's worth, this crap is bringing out the worst in all of you.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-03-31 21:26:30: im very sad to see jari go, all his posts were nice to read, entertaining in there own way (and often educational). but, what the hell?? reading through here, its like alot of people have been bombs filling with tnt over time that finally went off

Jari, if thou must leave, know that, you were appreciated
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Bosola on 2010-03-31 21:44:56: [Edited to avoid drama - although I believe El Ammo Bandito did a lot for this forum, I don't think this sort of '**** you' thread is good for the community]
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 22:21:09: Quote from: Tsetra on 2010-03-31 21:15:43
This entire situation is disgusting on both sides. Look at yourselves. I rarely come here anymore although I've kept up with all this drama by lurking, but I come here because this is the hub of Final Fantasy VII development with no peer. Why is everyone treating it like some virtual world and hampering progress by bashing people you've never met face to face?

Why the hell is this fight still going on with Hermoor when instead you all should be shaking hands, let the guy start a thread for his project, and if you don't like it here's a great idea: DON'T READ THE THREAD!

On the flipside, Hermoor what are you trying to prove by continuing to try to piss people here off? I get it. Your ego is hurt. Your "situation" was treated like sh*t by the mods and admins and you have reason to be a little upset but let it go. You're working on your project for the sake of FF7, not the forum. If you're not, you need to be. So you don't fit in with the crowd. Who cares? You don't seem to be a bad person when you're not letting yourself sink into flame wars like this.

For what it's worth, this crap is bringing out the worst in all of you.

Woah, swap Hermoor's name with Seifer and you may have a point! Personally, I have trouble shaking hands with someone who has said several times that I should be killed. He hasn't done any modding work since last summer; all of his threads are about how much he hates us all (pic related) (http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2792/41560439.png). Qhimm has hidden his subforum, but the lulzopedia (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=9500.0) provides adequate examples of what his posts are like. Those examples aren't anomalies or taken out of context; the majority of his posts are like that.

I'm sure that some people will say that everyone is just picking on him and we're all cyber-bullies, but only people who have never had to deal with him and only people who have never had to read 2000 word posts (full of lies) on how disgusting they are. BTW, he has both started and escalated the fighting at every point. All of the people who pick on Hermoor started to do so after weeks of insults lies and general abuse.

Also, it may be possible to ignore his threads (in theory), but it isn't possible to ignore him starting fights in threads that have nothing to do with him and it isn't possible to ignore the porn he spams the whole of the forums with every time he gets a new proxy.

Despite the treatment he gets, he comes here again and again, months after he decided that these forums should die. Since he insists on sticking around and causing as much trouble as he can, I think it's fair that we turn the tables on him and turn the troll in the trolled.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Bosola on 2010-03-31 22:28:54: At any rate, we can't expect a community to stay clean without a 'helping hand', purely through the goodwill and mutual interests of its members, no matter who we're talking about. I expect Qhimm will make a post in a few days detailing his options and likely choices. I imagine that a moderator to be upgraded, and new mod staff to be recruited - although 'who' in each case is up in the air. Of course, it's also possible that Qhimm himself will take the reigns for a few weeks, assuming that he can apportion the free time (and that's a big assumption).
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Tsetra on 2010-03-31 22:34:10: You'll have to forgive me as once again, I don't know who's 1000 aliases belong to who. I was thinking Hermoor = Seifer for some reason.

Lulzopedia? I'm not bringing up the cyber-bully argument but rather; why bother? Why bring it to prominence? Erase shit like that, ban as necessary, don't feed the troll. The situation seemed pretty avoidable to me on all sides, and both sides are still keeping it going by continuing to stoke the fire. Wanting a person to die is pretty uncalled for, but in the grand scheme of things I doubt he's over where ever he lives and stocking up on weapons to kill you. Making lulzopedias and declaring the forum can fend for itself after having irritated the situation worse isn't exactly any better.

I guess what I'm saying here is, somebody needs to delete ALL this crap and deal with this in a normal manner instead of making a parade out of one or two people. Poking someone with a stick clearly hasn't worked, how long has it been? Sometimes, just saying the right things can be more effective than having mod status.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Bosola on 2010-03-31 22:43:16: I hope you'll forgive me for saying - I think you're being idealistic. I know that you're not proposing a short group hug and we'll be the BROTHERHOOD OF QHIMM, but I do think the 'Hermoor situation' isn't going to be resolved as easily as you're (perhaps) suggesting.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: ChaosControl on 2010-03-31 22:49:31: Haven't been around here much lately so I don;t have any idea what this is all about (and really dont care). But Jari; see you when you come back again :3 (he usually does, at least until now)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 22:53:13: Quote from: Tsetra on 2010-03-31 22:34:10
You'll have to forgive me as once again, I don't know who's 1000 aliases belong to who. I was thinking Hermoor = Seifer for some reason.

Hermoor=Damssil=Cloudssil=Cloudmoor

Seifer=everyone else.

Quote from: Tsetra on 2010-03-31 22:34:10
Erase sh*t like that, ban as necessary, don't feed the troll. The situation seemed pretty avoidable to me on all sides, and both sides are still keeping it going by continuing to stoke the fire. Wanting a person to die is pretty uncalled for, but in the grand scheme of things I doubt he's over where ever he lives and stocking up on weapons to kill you. Making lulzopedias and declaring the forum can fend for itself after having irritated the situation worse isn't exactly any better.

I guess what I'm saying here is, somebody needs to delete ALL this crap and deal with this in a normal manner instead of making a parade out of one or two people. Poking someone with a stick clearly hasn't worked, how long has it been? Sometimes, just saying the right things can be more effective than having mod status.

Thing is, Hermoor isn't your average troll. You can't ban him because he'll come back with proxy after proxy. We spent several months with account creation in admin approval mode because he came back so many times. He feels very real hatred for the people here (and at other forums were he has caused trouble; we're not the only ones to ban him), and I suspect he doesn't go to school or work. He's incredibly determined and has infinite time on his hands.

There's no ignoring him either. If he isn't getting the attention he wants in Completely Unrelated, he spams the on-topic boards with as much porn as he can find; it's happened quite a few times.

We just have to accept the fact that Hermoor will never go away (until he grows up) and he will always make himself heard. The solution Jari implemented was actually a good one. He had his own subforum where he could troll to his heart's content. The people he was insulting were able to get some laughs out of him and everyone was able to get on with their work in the on-topic forums.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 23:14:30: I don't think that is how to operate at all. All you need here is 3-5 moderators who would ban practically immediately...but all we got was a person who encouraged it.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-03-31 23:17:57: Quote from: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 23:14:30
I don't think that is how to operate at all. All you need here is 3-5 moderators who would ban practically immediately...but all we got was a person who encouraged it.

With Hermoor, you'd need 24-hour forum surveillance, which would take a huge team of moderators. No, giving him his own forums is more efficient and lulzier.

BTW, there's no "encouraging it"; Hermoor will always come back and get attention, and what looks like encouraging it is actually for the greater good, preventing him from shitting up the on-topic forums.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-03-31 23:24:54: I never would have resorted to trolling back then had the admin here not been so utterly in my face and allowing certain posters to bait me. Had I not felt a strong sense of injustice I would never have returned...and def not trolled. I can't speak for hermoor but he has discussed the fact that the admin and his playpen were making it worse, so obviously he feels aggrieved. Things could have been handled here 100X better, and I could have just not taken the bait back then but I did.

Setting up a whole section of this forum does not do anything for this community. It isn't as if I am even back here to try and weedle my way into the community again, despite that accusation...I am here because this is the best place for FF7 Mods and Modders. If there is another please show me it...

This place needs moderators...and that is about as basic as it gets. I don't know if hermoor plans to carry on....but a start would be getting rid of all those posts and insults then maybe he will calm down and move on....
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Tsetra on 2010-03-31 23:30:55: There we go. He's being f***ing sincere and ready to move on. Can Qhimm.com move on and lay the past to rest? Please... consider it before posting something snide. This is the perfect chance to fix everyone's problem, don't let egos make it blow up in your faces.

Also, it has come to my attention that I'm an idiot and am really confused about all the freaking alt. accounts on Qhimm.com. ???
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-04-01 01:01:20: if i may, the first time i ever, EVER, had a problem from hermoor, was when he began trolling a video on youtube, even though i had never spoken to the guy.

the problem is, its not contained either, he trolls anyone here on other sites. and thus, it really added fuel to the fire.

besides, some of that "trying to save us from brainwashing" crap is just WAAAYYYYY to funny to delete completely :P
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-04-01 01:04:32: Tsetra is correct. Seifer, I respect the guy. The past? Idgaf what happened at TLS. Is this TLS or qhimm?
I don't know why some would bring that shit up. To me, Seifer, or Dan, is a good person. I respect him and I disliked it a lot when everyone would bash on him. He's trying to make peace here and still some people continue to piss him off just because he is easily provoked. I can relate to him in a sense that I could get annoyed very easily and my mood can drastically change. If you were him, you wouldn't like it at all.
Anyways, moving on, this whole feud within 10 members or whatever the fuck it is is just getting so damn old already.
Hermoor, you need to stop going on rampages and spamming threads with porn for the love of God. Enough is enough already. Get over it. Whether you're banned or not, please let others who are trying to make some FF7 progress do it.
I swear, this is way worse than high school drama really. It's quite sad at the same time. Why do you think I hardly post anymore? I read but ignore most of the bullshit. I only post when it is necessary to point out something extremely stupid. Yeah, I may have participated in some occasions of the "insult the trolls" threads but then you noticed I stopped because it was already getting old. As Tsetra said, could we move on now?
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-04-01 02:45:22: There are a lot of people that were around when Seifer kicked up last time (myself included) that got called the trolls and got insulted and recieved constant abuse because we didn't agree on a point of view. That's how this started the last time. I'd be willing to let it go if there was some degree of truth in what he's saying now, but there isn't. There's a reason he was banned. He's got a really bad attitude. The childish name-calling and whatnot happened as a result of his attitude, not people here being trolls and "baiting".

What I will do - treat everyone (including the aforementioned) that is a member of this board with respect and dignity.
What I won't do - lay down and take it like a bitch.

Sorry, but forgive and forget just won't cut it in this situation. I have the PM's to remind me.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-04-01 03:04:11: Actually correction, I used to be easy to get wound up and trolled, but I am afraid those days are over as the admin here found out when he blew his mental lid...
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-04-01 03:47:57: From this point on, I, too, will not start any crap. However, if crap starts flying. I will jump in the fray and voice my opinion. I go to the Completely Unrelated section to partake in random-ass discussions and voice my opinion. If they happen to involve trolling and the like, I have no problem shooting down the people who I think are wrong, and voicing why. I've done it before with Hermoor, and if he flares up again, I'll continue. If he contributes useful words to the conversation at hand, I'll treat it as such.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-04-01 04:29:48: Quote from: Prince Cloud on 2010-04-01 02:45:22
There are a lot of people that were around when Seifer kicked up last time (myself included) that got called the trolls and got insulted and recieved constant abuse because we didn't agree on a point of view. That's how this started the last time. I'd be willing to let it go if there was some degree of truth in what he's saying now, but there isn't. There's a reason he was banned. He's got a really bad attitude. The childish name-calling and whatnot happened as a result of his attitude, not people here being trolls and "baiting".

What I will do - treat everyone (including the aforementioned) that is a member of this board with respect and dignity.
What I won't do - lay down and take it like a b*tch.

Sorry, but forgive and forget just won't cut it in this situation. I have the PM's to remind me.
And that, my friend is the reason why "history repeats itself." I know, it sucks, that one tries to defend himself, and then the other person goes to the extreme to have their way in flaming arguments and then... Well, you know what happens: Thread-wars.

One should "forgive and forget" unless he's done harm to you irl, which I'm almost positive this isn't the case. If you can't take it, then you should meet the person and discuss about it in person or something, but not through the forums where people are trying to read something worth (about modding or anything else not involving arguing.) Same goes for the person that is the one insulting the defending person - if something bothers you, sort it out on MSN or something. Meet each other, have a nice cuppa coffee and then talk or go walk in the park or something.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Chocobo_Girl on 2010-04-01 04:41:23: Before you read the following, I just want to make things clear. This is a message from Jari himself and I have absolutely no say in this. He just wishes to set things straight and I'm sending the message for him.

Quote from: Jari
Quote from: Colonel Ramsay
I never would have resorted to trolling back then had the admin here not been so utterly in my face and allowing certain posters to bait me.

The admin has never been in your face, in any kind of a manner. Qhimm and SaiNt intervened only when you resorted to spamming the entire forums.

Remember, I was not an admin back then. Regardless of how much you might have wished or assumed I was, or what you might have demanded of me (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8485.msg103213#msg103213). I do suspect that neither of the actual admins would have done anything for you, either. Seeing that you were spinning your own lie about what happened over at TLS, after all.

So, enough with the lies, okay?

Quote from: drfeelgud88
He's trying to make peace here and still some people continue to piss him off just because he is easily provoked.

Pretty curious way to make peace, sneaking in from a different proxy, time after time, is it not? :P Not to mention, his "making peace" seems have about as much truth for its basis, as did his accusations of TLS taking over the forum. :D

He also sends his regards to peoplez and says he will be contacting some of you via MSN or other means in a few days. ^^

On an other note, ATTN TO JARI: here's a gift that we all have for you, thought up and made by Timu Sumisu, and from all of us from the bottom of our hearts. ^__________^

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5593/picture2991.png)
Jari Cat

Dealing with trolls has never been as fun with you, and we all miss you!
(and thx to sl, sithlord, hellbringer, prince lex, mendy-chan for contributing to the gift :))

/cheesy
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-04-01 04:46:38: Well I hope he knows we all think of him as a hero and I will say he was right. I understand he was undermined and I have no respect for the people who made this happen. thanks Jari, you did a great job.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: titeguy3 on 2010-04-01 04:57:00: Who's up for making Jari the cat an enemy in FF7? I can write the AI if someone does the animations!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: obesebear on 2010-04-01 04:58:24: So it seems like Jari is the new Kurt Cobain or Da Vinci.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sl1982 on 2010-04-01 04:59:02: Quote from: titeguy3 on 2010-04-01 04:57:00
Who's up for making Jari the cat an enemy in FF7? I can write the AI if someone does the animations!

Replace master tonberry. When he gets there you get the banhammer
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-04-01 05:05:22: I. LOVE. THIS.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Prince Lex on 2010-04-01 05:39:47: @drfeelgud - I completely understand where you're coming from. I was you. If you search through the old posts, you'll see me saying "why are we fighting, why are we arguing, this is stupid, blah blah blah". I got slammed for it - for no reason. It's the lies and constant inability to see beyond his own point of view - there's no way I'm going to ignore it. If it's stupid to stand up for what you believe in - even on "teh netz" - then I'm a fool. If I get banned for it, that's fair enough. If I'm disliked for it, that's fair enough. But I'm not going to silence my opinion, especially when it's a justified one.

Quote from: titeguy3 on 2010-04-01 04:57:00
Who's up for making Jari the cat an enemy in FF7? I can write the AI if someone does the animations!

That would be amazing.

Quote from: guitar_dudester91 on 2010-04-01 05:05:22
I. LOVE. THIS.

Yes!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-04-01 06:22:32: The Completely Unrelated Board:
"Help keep the forums clean and easy to read!"
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   (Um...)

Yeah... hasn't been working out very well for us lately :|
It seems to be working better now than at some points in the past, however.

Quick Edit for Clarification: I'm not talking about the latest posts in this thread by any means.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: sithlord48 on 2010-04-01 13:55:21: Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-04-01 04:59:02
Quote from: titeguy3 on 2010-04-01 04:57:00
Who's up for making Jari the cat an enemy in FF7? I can write the AI if someone does the animations!

Replace master tonberry. When he gets there you get the banhammer

thats perfect! , that m.tonberry is the only monster i fear in the whole game seams like no matter what you get the banhammer!
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Cupcake on 2010-04-01 14:00:46: Quote from: sithlord48 on 2010-04-01 13:55:21
Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-04-01 04:59:02
Quote from: titeguy3 on 2010-04-01 04:57:00
Who's up for making Jari the cat an enemy in FF7? I can write the AI if someone does the animations!

Replace master tonberry. When he gets there you get the banhammer

thats perfect! , that m.tonberry is the only monster i fear in the whole game seams like no matter what you get the banhammer!

I too, wish to help with this project in some manner. I guess I'll make the attacks, titeguy will write the AI. Uhh... I dunno who's doing what from thereon in
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Opine on 2010-04-01 14:40:52: Quote from: titeguy3 on 2010-04-01 04:57:00
Who's up for making Jari the cat an enemy in FF7? I can write the AI if someone does the animations!
:D That would be hilarious to take our fiends with a banhammer!

Quote from: sl1982 on 2010-04-01 04:59:02
Replace master tonberry. When he gets there you get the banhammer
Or this.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-04-01 15:15:19: The banhammer could use the "remove" spell and eliminate a party member. ;D
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Covarr on 2010-04-01 17:27:26: Quote from: Prince Cloud on 2010-04-01 02:45:22
The childish name-calling and whatnot happened as a result of his attitude, not people here being trolls and "baiting".
He had a bad attitude, but it wasn't at all unprovoked, at least here. He was less than pleasant at TLS, and a number of members there FOLLOWED HIM HERE to bait him. They called him names here before he EVER acted up at this forum.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Colonel Ramsay on 2010-04-01 18:28:10: Some of you around here really need to move on, the problems you are having around here, esp with Hermoor, are because you simply won't. Also I would add that I have been allowed back onto TLS and am getting along very nicely. I may have misjudged a number of them in my rather frenzied attack of the time (and I was the subject of trolling there too at the time for which I fell for it hook line and sinker, as I did here).

So if they are willing to move on, and I am....why can't you? I won't be back to this thread, everything I might try to say to help in fact only prolongs it. :)
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Tekkie.X on 2010-04-01 18:39:10: Maybe he's the one that needs to grow a pair, get a life and move on.
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: drfeelgud88 on 2010-04-01 23:53:07: Quote from: Cloudragon Strifeja on 2010-04-01 18:39:10
Maybe he's the one that needs to grow a pair, get a life and move on.
Move on with what? Did you not hear him that he's given up that life of always being "a subject to provocation"?
Title: Re: That's it
Post by: Jaitsu on 2010-04-02 00:48:45: just wanna post this, though i posted before.

im sorry for any problems, issues, annoyances, or anything at all i ever caused you jari, if i have, it was unintended, sorry you gotta go man