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Miscellaneous Forums => Graphical => Topic started by: . : A eo n : . on 2011-10-09 01:04:30
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Heya!
I've been recently modding up my US original FFVII for pc game :)
The best Advent Children Model for Cloud I found so far is Kula Wende's model (includes Cloud's harness)
But the harness itself hasn't got his Tsurgi model sword in it (field character)!
I simply ask if anyone can combine the Tsurgi or base sword model to be strapped into Cloud's harness?
Unfortunately I have no idea which specific part of the sword is in Highwind-extracted .lgp file name, otherwise I'd do it myself xD
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AC Cloud is illegal. Period.
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Umm, here is the youtube video I got my inspiration from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKigQspgvxQ
at 6:00 you see cloud has the base sword on his lower back but there is no AC harness there! Also the AC Cloud model used there isn't as good as Kula Wende's model. http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/knight1120/highfield.jpg
and
http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/knight1120/cloudscreen3.jpg
In addition the video here interests me; the standard soldiers are updated from the Crisis Core game, does that mod belong to anyone on here?
If anyone recognizes this or the music mod being played, please show me a link to the developer! :3
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This is illegal. Final Period.
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Vgr, please try and give useful information beyond "it's illegal".
We do not support models ripped from other games, as they are copyrighted content by Square-Enix. The only models we support are ones that are already in FF7, and ones that are entirely fan-made with NO portion of them, no matter how small, ripped from any game. This includes content from Kingdom Hearts, Crisis Core, or any other game you can think of other than FF7 itself.
Sadly, Kula Wende's AC models do contain copyrighted content, and thus are not used or supported here, in whole or in part.
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I have that kind of cloud model :-)
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8418/wipaccloud.jpg)
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I have that kind of cloud model, since its illegal you can't have it :-P
That kind of comment is exactly what is not needed here. If you wish to taunt people do it somewhere else.
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Vgr, please try and give useful information beyond "it's illegal".
We do not support models ripped from other games, as they are copyrighted content by Square-Enix. The only models we support are ones that are already in FF7, and ones that are entirely fan-made with NO portion of them, no matter how small, ripped from any game. This includes content from Kingdom Hearts, Crisis Core, or any other game you can think of other than FF7 itself.
Sadly, Kula Wende's AC models do contain copyrighted content, and thus are not used or supported here, in whole or in part.
Thanks Covarr for properly explaining :3
May I ask why a forum run on the whole for FFVII fan-made modifications cannot tolerate the use of themes & content that encompass the compilation of the game? Surely these mods can only belong here & nowhere else; when you consider they had all been developed by SquareSoft themselves (including AC/CC). To allow modification to the original game, including enhanced visual & even added content, is already breaking the copyright set by the company. Not including the rest of the game compilation, specifically preludes & continuations of the project that are genuinely linked to the original game, is a contradiction of the reason why fans create these mods to enhance the game for those who have gotten bored with relaying the base game.
What would be "illegal" is modders putting FF content into totally inappropriate games like Jedi Knight II, GTA and Oblivion (which we all know has been done...). With respect, if there is anywhere that these FF associated mods belong it should be here!
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It's because Square did not give their approval for the ripped models to be put in game.
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Heya!
I've been recently modding up my US original FFVII for pc game :?:
The best Advent Children Model for Cloud I found so far is Kula Wende's model (includes Cloud's harness)
But the harness itself hasn't got his Tsurgi model sword in it (field character)!
I simply ask if anyone can combine the Tsurgi or base sword model to be strapped into Cloud's harness?
Unfortunately I have no idea which specific part of the sword is in Highwind-extracted .lgp file name, otherwise I'd do it myself xD
First off, don't use Highwind, use Aali's LGP/UnLGP
Secondly, who told you to use Highwind?
Third, Cloud's model starts at RTAA and his sword models start at RTCK
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May I ask why do ripping is illegal although those model are from square enix? Its quite logical to think. Ripping from other games... Final Fantasy Crisis Core, Dissidia are related why do some people consider it Illegal to ripped?.. Those are both Final Fantasy Game Series.
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May I ask why do ripping is illegal although those model are from square enix? Its quite logical to think. Ripping from other games... Final Fantasy Crisis Core, Dissidia are related why do some people consider it Illegal to ripped?.. Those are both Final Fantasy Game Series.
as said, square has not allowed it, and the forums don't need them coming crashing down around them like sector 7.
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May I ask why do ripping is illegal although those model are from square enix? Its quite logical to think. Ripping from other games... Final Fantasy Crisis Core, Dissidia are related why do some people consider it Illegal to ripped?.. Those are both Final Fantasy Game Series.
Because releasing models from other games for use in Final Fantasy 7 is distributing copyrighted property.
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It supplying content from a retail game someone may not own, when you buy a game, you don't technically own the game so the content is not yours to give out.
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Haha, love the FF reference there :DD
So does this mean that Square allows fans to edit their FFVII game solely & they specifically said so? Meaning Square does not want fans to bring anything else from the compilation into the main game, even though the compilation is effectively the game? That sounds weird lol
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Haha, love the FF reference there :DD
So does this mean that Square allows fans to edit their FFVII game solely & they specifically said so? Meaning Square does not want fans to bring anything else from the compilation into the main game, even though the compilation is effectively the game? That sounds weird lol
This is a logical issue on modding.. I guess you must change the Thread's title to "Logical Issue on Modding FF7PC" :-)
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There are tons of released "illegal" mods out there. Google is your friend. I will not give link to anyone. But just so you guys know, they've been out there for months/years yet square enix has done nothing. I don't think they care that much. Just my opinion. Like apz cloud, it was released for such a long time, then someone figured out the textures or whatever was copied from Dissidia or KH. So you guys removed it. Don't you think square enix would have done something if they cared in all that time?
They are to busy making games / earning cash to worry about such little things :D
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A Counter Strike customisation site got a letter a few years ago for having a few custom Skins with a beer manufacturers logo on it, politely asking for the skin to be removed.
Now, it's better to be safe than sorry, so why risk it and end up with a Cease and Desist letter or even a straight up lawsuit, for all we know Squeenix already knows about this place.
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So just to be clear you can add anything aslong as you made it?
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Yes.
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First off, don't use Highwind, use Aali's LGP/UnLGP
Secondly, who told you to use Highwind?
Third, Cloud's model starts at RTAA and his sword models start at RTCK
http://www.finalfantasy7pc.com/mods/
This is the modding site I stumbled upon initially to seek out great FFVII mods & everything they done is credited to this site :3
Thanks, I'll use your recommendation!
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This site is way outdated and must not be refered.
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Yes.
Even if its based on someones models but you made it from scratch?
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If it made from scratch, then yes.
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@Roody you can create a project as long as you made it personally or you can create model based on a picture or In general made from a scratch just like my vincent project :http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=12441.0 (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=12441.0) its a quickest way to create a model :-)
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Make the model and textures from scratch and we'll be your friends :) Although I'm not entirely sure about AC Cloud...? I think I read somewhere about them only allowing mods that enhance the original characters. Which I think would include AC Cloud...?
Alls I know is using Sonic and Tails, or Link, or Raziel from Soul Reaver is not allowed even if it's 100% your creation. Something about "Goodwill" and how we must not "damage the goodwill and image" of Square Enix. And that's why we can't add content that Square doesn't own because they don't want a lawsuit aim at THEM!
So... Since Square owns the content of AC Cloud... I think...? It's okay to make your own? ??? Help me out guys :)
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So just to be clear you can add anything aslong as you made it?
In a legal sense and to the rules of this forum, You can post anything you have made from scratch or with permission from the maker HERE. And as copyright says, you can NOT distribute models that you steal from one game or another anywhere because you do not own the RIGHTS.
Here is the part you should remember. You own the contents of games that you bought to do with what you will as long as you keep it to yourself. Rip any model from any game and throw it in however you would like. Hell, you MIGHT even be allowed to show us pictures of your finished product. You just can't upload a mod or patch with any of your customizations that are from other games.
You MAY encourage people to purchase games to rip models from, but stay away from publicly explaining how to do so (although I think that IS legal, just frowned upon) . Just remember to do your research and ask questions before posting anything you create on here. If you think it might be infringing copyright laws, It probably is.
Just something for everyone to keep in mind. Keep your copyright infringing mods on YOUR ff game and square won't bother you because you have done nothing wrong.
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Thanks for clearing that up
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It's probably even legal to make a batch script to rip the models off a game disc that you own. Probably even legal to distribute said script as long as the script itself contains non copyrighted material. You could go so far as to make a script that would copy the model, convert it, change the animation data, and whatever else was needed. As long as you do not distribute any copyrighted material yourself it's ok. Modders do it all the time. Take futurewars for instance, a mod for Armada 2 that completely circumvents the install of Armada 2 itself. It asks for the game cd, rips what it needs off the cd and installs the game on it's own. You wouldn't even need to modify the ff7 game files if you had Aali's renderer installed as it can load loose files outside of the lgp. Is all this really necessary though? Everyone knows there is going to be either a remake or a hd update eventually. With the disaster that is FF14 they're eventually going to need the money unless 13-2 fixes all the problems with 13. They've already said they're going to release an hd update to 10 for the ps3 and vita. Since technically 10, 10-2, and 7 are LOOSELY considered a trilogy hopefully if sales go well they'll do the same to the other two. With crisis core, dirge of cerberus, and advent children they've been fleshing out the timeline. They've said before that a REMAKE would take more time than is feasible to do. I've never heard anything about a hd update though. Which, with all the scrutiny that players seem to have for FF7 itself it's probably the best way to go. Keep the battle system and character system along with the plot the same, just add voice acting and update the graphics.
Although personally I would like to see a full remake with a fuller plot or maybe a side-plot, a limited branching storyline that comes back together for the same ending, sphere grid or crystarium like character progression, a battle system reminiscent of Crisis core or XIII-2. That's what I'm hoping for
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It's probably even legal to make a batch script to rip the models off a game disc that you own. Probably even legal to distribute said script as long as the script itself contains non copyrighted material. You could go so far as to make a script that would copy the model, convert it, change the animation data, and whatever else was needed. As long as you do not distribute any copyrighted material yourself it's ok. Modders do it all the time. Take futurewars for instance, a mod for Armada 2 that completely circumvents the install of Armada 2 itself. It asks for the game cd, rips what it needs off the cd and installs the game on it's own. You wouldn't even need to modify the ff7 game files if you had Aali's renderer installed as it can load loose files outside of the lgp. Is all this really necessary though? Everyone knows there is going to be either a remake or a hd update eventually. With the disaster that is FF14 they're eventually going to need the money unless 13-2 fixes all the problems with 13. They've already said they're going to release an hd update to 10 for the ps3 and vita. Since technically 10, 10-2, and 7 are LOOSELY considered a trilogy hopefully if sales go well they'll do the same to the other two. With crisis core, dirge of cerberus, and advent children they've been fleshing out the timeline. They've said before that a REMAKE would take more time than is feasible to do. I've never heard anything about a hd update though. Which, with all the scrutiny that players seem to have for FF7 itself it's probably the best way to go. Keep the battle system and character system along with the plot the same, just add voice acting and update the graphics.
Although personally I would like to see a full remake with a fuller plot or maybe a side-plot, a limited branching storyline that comes back together for the same ending, sphere grid or crystarium like character progression, a battle system reminiscent of Crisis core or XIII-2. That's what I'm hoping for
This was your first post on the forum but you get my like mister! You pretty much summed up what I had in my head! Thank you :)
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I had this idea in mind since a very long time, and SL approved it. However, as of someone who tried importing models (not even ripping), only a script can't do it. It needs so much adjusting and so many programs, that aren't even console programs. I have tried doing it, and, trust me, it won't work.
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Hmmn.. What if the models is from other games like for instance, I get the model of Cloud in crisis core without the textures and I made a custom textures to apply it in the model.. Is it allowed to release it here?
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I had this idea in mind since a very long time, and SL approved it. However, as of someone who tried importing models (not even ripping), only a script can't do it. It needs so much adjusting and so many programs, that aren't even console programs. I have tried doing it, and, trust me, it won't work.
I'm taking it to mean that the transformation of the models and textures from the ps2 and psp into a format useable by ff7 is the problem? I know there are command-line tools available to dump the models for KH2 because I've done that myself. Does anyone know if the models have to be rescaled or repositioned along with the format change? Do the textures have to be relaid along with conversion into a different format? I'm assuming FF7 uses some type of skeleton system for each model, do these have to be changed as well?
In response to jinkazama, no you would not. Any part means ANY PART from model to texture to animation data, anything. That is what we are talking about here models from KH, KH2, Crisis core.
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As a side question, and i know it's in a grey area. What if someone were to do the modifications neccessary to the models, and use them as a baseline, get them working in ff7. Assuming it is possible to rip said models and textures and convert them without modifying them. Run a file comparison in a hex editor between the modified file and the straight from vanilla converts. Note the differences between the two and "patch" the differences between the two bring the one on the user system up to date, assuming the only thing patched would be scaling and positioning data you really wouldn't be including anything copyrighted. Is this something that's possible? Or just offering a code replacement/addition patch to fix the models that you rip and convert into the correct format yourself? Feel free to yell at me if I'm an idiot. I have no experience in programming past qbasic & PLC's.
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Discussing of HOW to rip models is not allowed, however talking about how to make a patch for this is in gray area.
First, if anything, and I mean, ANYTHING is ripped from another game, you are not allowed to release it. FF7 has a very different way of handling 3D models, and it is nowhere near compatible. I tried importing FF8 models into FF7 using a batch script, but it just got too complicated... I couldn't even made them have splitted parts... You'd completely have to write a new program, just using a batch script won't do it.
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Thanks everyone for explaining the rules and regulations of this forum, Now its very clear enough to those who wants to make a project. ;D
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@Roody you can create a project as long as you made it personally or you can create model based on a picture or In general made from a scratch just like my vincent project :http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=12441.0 (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=12441.0) its a quickest way to create a model :-)
Basically it's editing already existing models. Not creating your own though. (Just to be exact :P) Also it is actually possible to make final fantasy 7 support 3d models. Although it would take ages and knowledge and a lot of people working on it, which is highly impossible. But it could be done here as well. Then we would have team avalance project for graphics, ff7 voice project for digital sound, the q-gears for the engine thingy and the other one to change the way ff7 is handling data. :P
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The voice project is on hiatus. What you're suggesting amounts to completely rewriting the entire game just to use assets from some other game. That's an incredible amount of work for no reward. Why not just do a total conversion on some other game and turn it into Final Fantasy VII? That worked out for Ultima.
There are already some beautiful models available and they look like they belong in FF7.
IMO ripped models take away more than they add.
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Is it illegal to use the original in-game model as a base and expand upon it?
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Only if you distributed it. The models in ff7 are still as copyrighted as CC, KH, etc. If square enix hadn't released freely downloadable patches to ff7 that contained the exe then you wouldn't even be able to distribute modded versions of that either. (although technically a case can be made against the legality of that also since they're not the ones distributing it) Basically everything that came on the disk was LICENSED to the purchasee. Modding in general can be construed as illegal if not explicitly noted in the agreement. Reverse engineering of said software in it's entirety is allowed though. If you had a distribution method that only allowed LEGAL OWNERS of ff7 PC licenses to grab the modded file then I might say yes. It's like this, I own a copy of wing commander 2 deluxe. My CD medium was destroyed one way or another. Is it legal to obtain a copy of the software from a friend who has an intact CD of the SAME VERSION? Probably. Following that thought, say only one file was unreadable, would it be legal for me to procure that file elsewhere? Probably. A case can maybe be made following this line of thought to file sharing as well. It depends upon what rules FF7 PC was distributed under. Was it licensed to you? I threw away the papers that came with my copy a decade ago so I don't know. There are laws and there are LAWS. A great deal of what is going on in the internet today is illegal. Abandonware? check Roms? check Mods? Depending on the agreement you entered upon using the software? maybe. A lot of people don't view theft of the intangible the same way as they do the tangible. Steal a candybar, BAD. Download a copy of Super Mario Bros. if you don't already own a copy, meh. Despite being just as illegal and morally wrong people just don't view it the same because you aren't taking anything from someone else. It's like this, I have a magic bottle of ever refilling Guinness. You come along and drink a few sips. Did I really loose anything aside from a source of potential revenue? Nope. Although your question is more in the line of plagiarism if you don't credit Square for the original model instead of just plain Copyright infringement. Fair use is a muddy area that has been blurred and hasn't been clearly defined as it's treated as a case by case basis.
Sorry in advance if this post bothers anybody. I don't make the laws, I don't even really agree with them on all points but there you are.
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I stopped reading at "LEGAL OWNERS". This is very likely to start a flame war.
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sigh.... ohh.. boy another issue again :(
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How do you even illegally own something?
The very definition of ownership is when you attain the right to 'have' something by either getting it handed to you by some official or purchase it, etc. Pirating it, last I checked, does not give you ownership of anything. It's a common misconception regarding what ownership is.
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^^^ Very true statement ^^^
(Sorry for going off-topic)
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How do you even illegally own something?
In terms of copyright law or stolen goods? You don't. But there are many possible cases where you can own something you're not legally allowed to. For example, in the United States, felons may not legally own guns, but they can still have one that they purchased with their own money from someone who was the previous rightful owner, thus they illegally own it.
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This is illegal. Final Period.
Talking about something and how its done isn't illegal, even linking to places who have it wouldn't be illegal. The owners of a forum aren't responsible for restricting the free flow of information, if the files were hosted on this forum then Square Enix could request the files be taken down. Although since this is just a forum that doesn't host files as far as I know, they can't even do that. I doubt Square Enix is going to start suing their fans who add more replay value to their games, at the most if they decide to anything it would be to request whoever is hosting the file to take it down. If somebody owns a game, they can modify it as they wish, as that is fair use. Only when distributing it does it enter the grey area where they if they want to go after their fans for promoting their games, they can. Although if they wanted to shut down a project for copyright violation, they can do this regardless of whether people are using their models.
Also considering the haven't went after the people who made Avalance, I don't think they are as anal about people making fan games and mods as your post suggests. Also for it to be illegal, I think they would need to show that the usage causes them to lose profits or for the person to be making money off their work.
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Talking about something and how its done isn't illegal, even linking to places who have it wouldn't be illegal. The owners of a forum aren't responsible for restricting the free flow of information, if the files were hosted on this forum then Square Enix could request the files be taken down. Although since this is just a forum that doesn't host files as far as I know, they can't even do that. I doubt Square Enix is going to start suing their fans who add more replay value to their games, at the most if they decide to anything it would be to request whoever is hosting the file to take it down. If somebody owns a game, they can modify it as they wish, as that is fair use. Only when distributing it does it enter the grey area where they if they want to go after their fans for promoting their games, they can. Although if they wanted to shut down a project for copyright violation, they can do this regardless of whether people are using their models.
Also considering the haven't went after the people who made Avalance, I don't think they are as anal about people making fan games and mods as your post suggests. Also for it to be illegal, I think they would need to show that the usage causes them to lose profits or for the person to be making money off their work.
I think who the law protects is the designers too either the forum moders seize to deal with those models from respect to the original designers. I think what law protects is the rip from an original image to "steal" someone else's work, while at the same time I oppose to any copyright infringement that prevents the evolution of moding.
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If you actually wanted to be exact on laws then any of the models on this site that even refer to the original characters of FF7 even there names is copyright infringment as SquareEnix never released a SDK for the game.
Even if you modeled a character from scratch completely, its still illegal.
(all this from a Top Lawyer i know)
The only way for anybody on this site to release a model of a character is to get direct permission from SquareEnix and that will never officially happen as they have already said that FF7 will be left alone. No re-release, No-remake they want to keep the game as the classic it was, Final!
I looked into this as there were debuts on the model of Tifa i was doing that i copied from reference pictures from another game.
Hence why i am now not doing any more models of any kind from now on (unless for personnal use).
I suggest any models that have been released on this site have all download links removed except those that are not of character models.
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If you actually wanted to be exact on laws then any of the models on this site that even refer to the original characters of FF7 even there names is copyright infringment as SquareEnix never released a SDK for the game.
Even if you modeled a character from scratch completely, its still illegal.
(all this from a Top Lawyer i know)
The only way for anybody on this site to release a model of a character is to get direct permission from SquareEnix and that will never officially happen as they have already said that FF7 will be left alone. No re-release, No-remake they want to keep the game as the classic it was, Final!
I looked into this as there were debuts on the model of Tifa i was doing that i copied from reference pictures from another game.
Hence why i am now not doing any more models of any kind from now on (unless for personnal use).
I suggest any models that have been released on this site have all download links removed except those that are not of character models.
http://www.finalfantasyviipc.com/en
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qr4TgU4SKLc
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don't reply to that guy
he's full of crap
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The only way for anybody on this site to release a model of a character is to get direct permission from SquareEnix and that will never officially happen as they have already said that FF7 will be left alone. No re-release, No-remake they want to keep the game as the classic it was, Final
Square recently stated that there WILL be a FFVII remake, if they can produce a game which surpasses the success of FVII, which is very unlikely obviously.
Before you call me a liar, the source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/26/square-enix-reveals-conditions-for-final-fantasy-vii-remake
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Square recently stated that there WILL be a FFVII remake, if they can produce a game which surpasses the success of FVII, which is very unlikely obviously.
No they didn't. They stated that there WON'T be a FF7 remake before they finished it. "If Not X then Not Y" does not translate to "If X then Y". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent)
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Which means exactly the same...
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No, it doesn't. Let me give you another example of this logic in action to make it a bit clearer.
Say I make the claim "If I am not bitten by a radioactive spider, I will not become Spider-Man." Does this mean that if I am bitten by one, I will become Spider-Man? No. In fact, chances are that getting bitten by a radioactive spider would just give me cancer.
This is the same sort of logic. They said they would not make one before they outdo it, but this does not necessarily mean they will after. It simply means that this is a condition which must be met before they even consider it.
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no they also said they cant waste resources re-making a already successful game and that it would take them too long to even re-make the game and the concern that the cost would out do the actual sales. In other words they aernt going to do it because they dont want to waste resources on it
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No, it doesn't. Let me give you another example of this logic in action to make it a bit clearer.
Say I make the claim "If I am not bitten by a radioactive spider, I will not become Spider-Man." Does this mean that if I am bitten by one, I will become Spider-Man? No. In fact, chances are that getting bitten by a radioactive spider would just give me cancer.
This is the same sort of logic. They said they would not make one before they outdo it, but this does not necessarily mean they will after. It simply means that this is a condition which must be met before they even consider it.
Why did nobody tell me this in the first place? I have been talking like that for years.
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In defense of people crowing for a remake, S-E has been a bit convoluted in their answers over the years.
http://kotaku.com/386438/ffvii-director-on-chances-of-a-remake
Cliffs: Kitase says that the only way they'll be able to make it is once production on FF XIII and other large productions were done and the core team could be reassembled. The result is false hope coming from an excuse as to why it can't happen.
http://kotaku.com/5476141/kitase-ffvii-remake-only-possible-if-it-can-be-done-in-a-year
Cliffs: We'd love to do it, says S-E, but we don't know if we can do it in a justifiable time frame. Wada didn't help his case saying that S-E will look into making it.
That's only a few articles I found on Kotaku. S-E has a habit of trying to placate fans while not committing to anything. The general theme of the articles seem to go "We want to do this, but we're not sure it's feasible due to -insert random poor excuse-". At one point, Kitase said it would take 10 times the time of production for XIII. So, 30-40 years? Obviously a gross over exaggeration, but you get the idea.
My plan for people crying for a remake will be to point them to the PC re-release and then tell them to get HD mods (once it's confirmed that the re-release is modable like the original release).
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In defense of people crowing for a remake, S-E has been a bit convoluted in their answers over the years.
http://kotaku.com/386438/ffvii-director-on-chances-of-a-remake
Cliffs: Kitase says that the only way they'll be able to make it is once production on FF XIII and other large productions were done and the core team could be reassembled. The result is false hope coming from an excuse as to why it can't happen.
http://kotaku.com/5476141/kitase-ffvii-remake-only-possible-if-it-can-be-done-in-a-year
Cliffs: We'd love to do it, says S-E, but we don't know if we can do it in a justifiable time frame. Wada didn't help his case saying that S-E will look into making it.
That's only a few articles I found on Kotaku. S-E has a habit of trying to placate fans while not committing to anything. The general theme of the articles seem to go "We want to do this, but we're not sure it's feasible due to -insert random poor excuse-". At one point, Kitase said it would take 10 times the time of production for XIII. So, 30-40 years? Obviously a gross over exaggeration, but you get the idea.
My plan for people crying for a remake will be to point them to the PC re-release and then tell them to get HD mods (once it's confirmed that the re-release is modable like the original release).
If they want a game, nearly as successful as FFVII, square to stop dumbing down their games...
They have to make the games less linear (and bring back the freaking world map! also the vehicles...) Also:
get better story writers, Do LESS cinematics (we don't want to watch a movie after all, that's not even exciting), add more side quests, various story branches and multiple endings, add easter eggs and secrets, something like gold-saucer (but don't overdo it with the mini-games), a combat system like FFVII or Golden Sun just with updated graphics (imagine how the summons could look like now) MATERIA-like SYSTEM.
If they don't do that, they're not authorized to complain, why nobody buys it. ;D
There's a reason after all, why FFVII was so successful...
My plan for people crying for a remake will be to point them to the PC re-release and then tell them to get HD mods (once it's confirmed that the re-release is modable like the original release).
I'm kinda afraid that they will protect the re-release version against modding....
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(all this from a Top Lawyer i know)
lol
This "top lawyer" better go back to law school, considering names can't be copyrighted.
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lol
This "top lawyer" better go back to law school, considering names can't be copyrighted.
Names can be trademarked. So it's feasible that the lawyer friend told him that, but it was regurgitated as copyrighted.
Squaresoft copyrighted FFVII when it was released, and one would think that would lend protection to the characters as well. Characters themselves are not directly protected, but given the way unfair competition laws are written, rights holders can claim an infringement if you drop a character into a new setting. You can argue fair use most of the time (especially in the case of non-profit situations; fanfic, modding, etc). I last studied copyright law in 2002, and given how much the digital landscape has changed law, I'm not 100% accurate on my copyright perspective anymore.
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1 when did VGA turn into a d**khead he used to be a cool guy
2 ripping models is illegal when the company own a game which they dont as of 2008 because of licensing laws seen a SQUARE-SOFT did a merger in 2003 and and ff7 was made in the 90s and never reclaimed copyright for the game under square-enix they had five years to claim and it didnt happen all they own now is the brand final fantasy but any individual title before the merger is rightfully ours and thats the law also square wouldnt get on your back about it as it is eidos who owns the pc ff7 license which is now a sub company of square so enjoy
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Im not sure if this thread is dead or not, but none of this makes any sense. How can you say adding an AC cloud in FFVII is illegal when modifying the game is not? Technically speaking both are illegal b/c they conflict with Square Enix's Copy Rights and tampering their content without their permission. Its like trying to say its ok rob a store, but its not ok to rob a bank....
This forum is contradicting itself within its own rules. I think the real reason why the AC cloud is no longer available is b/c its a popular mod and was being over downloaded by this forum and other sites also permission was not granted to use it and the members of this forum just didn't want the downloading traffic coming from this site. Modding this game is illegal period no matter how you try to splice it. Its just a poor excuse to say AC Cloud is illegal to use in this game, when you have other forums that mod games with characters outside the game on a daily basis. Its not like Square is gonna check on this site's action. You people are being over paranoid. Sorry if you think I'm rude, just speaking my mind with hard logical facts here.
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The problem isn't with modding things. The problem is with getting content from other games without owning the games. If someone wanted to make an AC-style Cloud model that was 100% original, that's fine. If they want to steal parts from Kingdom Hearts or Crisis Core, that's not; by distributing that model, they are distributing part of a commercial, copyrighted game. By distributing a completely original model, they are only redistributing their own work.
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But how do you know if the AC cloud was from another game or not? unless the uploader himself said otherwise. I don't know the full story about this incident, so maybe the distributor stole the work from the original creator besides Square. It just sounds funny to call a model import illegal when up scaling and re texturing a licensed game is also illegal and this forum supports that. I do understand what your coming from though stolen work is beyond toleration.
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Look, you'll be able to argue this forever and ever, but the rules won't change.
And it's not too difficult to see if a model is actually ripped from another game or not. The easiest way to do so would be to do a side by side comparsion in blender, for example.
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I'm not trying to create a strike against the forum rules it just sounds blunt to say 1 thing is illegal and the other isn't, but it is. All I'm saying is that if taking down a mod that was illegally ripped, then whats stopping this forum from not taking down all the mods here that are illegally modifying the game? Your concerned about the legal rights, but at the same time this forum is supporting illegal modifications. I'm not arguing I'm just questioning the rules here b/c they seem to be positive/negative toward modding. Yea stealing is wrong and I agree, but you cant say redesigning a licensed game is ok without permission. For the record I have the AC Cloud Model, so don't mistaken me for pouting over a download link.
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i know for a fact the ac cloud in kulas ac complete mod has a ripped texture form kh2.
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Even if it is my question still stands. I'm trying to figure out how illegal modifications, such as "Bootleg" is not as illegal toward a ripped model......
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There is nothing inherently illegal about modifying the game. The only reasons it could be illegal is if it:
1. Cracks DRM in some way.
2. Contains copyrighted content.
Regarding the second one: Most of our staff have the games these models are ripped from, and can easily check to see if a model is actually fan-made, or simply stolen from an official game. The reason bootleg is okay is because all of the content in it is made by Qhimm.com users. Kula's AC models are illegal because they contain content (models, textures, etc.) that has been STOLEN from other Square-Enix games, without permission.
So to reiterate: Modifications are not illegal, UNLESS THEY CONTAIN STOLEN CONTENT.
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ah so modifying a licensed game without permission from the company that created it is not illegal? hmmm. I understand that bootleg was created by Qhimm, but I don't think Qhimm works for Square enough to put his models over their work. You see where I'm coming from? But since FFVII is such an old game honestly I don't think any of this really matters especially if its ripped models. I respect the forum rules don't get me wrong here. Its good to have debates
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the ripped models are from much more recent games
such as Dissidia 012
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ah so modifying a licensed game without permission from the company that created it is not illegal? hmmm.
As long as you're not distributing a pre-modified copy of the game. This is why everything here requires the user to already have the game.
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ah so modifying a licensed game without permission from the company that created it is not illegal? hmmm. I understand that bootleg was created by Qhimm, but I don't think Qhimm works for Square enough to put his models over their work. You see where I'm coming from? But since FFVII is such an old game honestly I don't think any of this really matters especially if its ripped models. I respect the forum rules don't get me wrong here. Its good to have debates
I'm not an expert so you may take my opinion lightly..
I think modifying games is ok as long as you dont sell or distribute the said modifed games as your own. After all its impossible to make sure or keep track that the games you sold won't be modified.
With that logic I think this forum is safe.. since they are not selling or distributing a new modified FF7 Game.
they even require you buying the original ff7 game.
The only things distributed here are tools or contents that are originally made by forum members.
[EDIT] sorry for repeating what you just said covarr, we kinda post almost at the same time.LoL
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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.
The gist of the rule is: don't distribute copyrighted content. Distributing mods that use textures from thinks like Crisis Core and the like means creating downloads that contain copyrighted content. But things like bootleg are fine because they only include homemade assets and / or patch files (that can only be used with the original content). The downloads for these mods contain nothing Square originally created, so they're fine.
To clarify - there's nothing against the rules about taking a model and putting it into a game in your own home. That's fine. Knock yourself out. The problem comes when you provide download links that themselves contain those assets - that's not so fine.
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ok guys thanks for the clearing that up. Too bad the AC Cloud is ripped for what its worth its the best mod made of Cloud despite it being illegal.
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thats very subjective
I dont like the AC cloud at all
screams Nomura way too much
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thats very subjective
I dont like the AC cloud at all
screams Nomura way too much
Wasn't it Nomura who did the original character designs too?
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Wasn't it Nomura who did the original character designs too?
It's an, now, old meme to say something screams Nomura. Ever since Kingdom Hearts and FF10, his designs have gotten way out of hand and go too deep into visual-key and BELTS AND GIRDLES AND BELTS AND ACCESSORIES AND ZIPPERS AND BELTS AND ZIPPERS AND HATS...
you get what I mean
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In other words you mean they are too emo. Usually most of the time models that are ripped look almost perfect and realistic compared to the ones made from scratch. Thats why I said its the best Cloud model, but since its illegal its gets ruled out. Any its just my opinion on the matter. Most fans rather keep the nostalgic Cloud in FF VII and I highly respect that
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I dont know why anyone would want to ruin there game with ac mods in the first place.
The games a classic changing it too much takes that away, I still remember when it first came out me and my mates hiring it out to play on the ps1 having turns (those were the days)
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the AC movie was just popular, thus people (some didn't have the chance to play orig ff7) started checking ff7 again, to their horror lego like characters are what's laid in front of them,
then by chance they see a youtube vid where they see AC models being used for the game. That's why we have people coming here asking for those AC models.
Trust me thing like this happen, LoL I was once one of those guys .. but after spending time here and playing with FF7 I kinda want to experience it as close to the original now, of course with graphics for modern standards.
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@ Recko: Well we all can't question opinions. Yea the only reason why everybody is attached to the classic VII b/c it was actually a game that changed the RPG world. Advent Children is no more than a sequel movie to it. So its kinda logical to favor something that has more to offer to the fans. I wouldn't say it ruins the game it just gives it a newer look kinda like a DLC cover up. Most of my characters are AC simply b/c I want them to have a realistic modern look even tho they were illegally ripped. I don't see how changing the characters look will ruin the game. As long its the same characters the fun is still there. But anyway the point of the matter is that I'm using the AC mods, but I'm still having fun with the game heres my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbBlShNNVN0.
People are always asking me about the AC models as well and most of them never heard of Bootleg
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I know what you mean it's just that AC is the events after FF7 not the same time so there clothing and weapons should be FF7 style Cloud didn't own the clothes he wears in AC or the Sword.
But all to his own i guess
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yup.. it all comes down to personal preference and tastes,
@masterj360
btw that video might contain links to ripped model, if so.. I think you should remove it :) :) just to avoid trouble
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No problem ;). The links only go 2 youtube channels that provided me the models upon my request.
I have a question and I'm sorry if this is off topic, but out of curiosity is Final Fantasy VIII getting the same modding support as in Quality Enhancement? Iv'e tried to do some research on it, but all I get is VII mods. Or is there a project in the works?
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Ok then, as for your question I've been wondering about that too, I read somewhere before that it's a bit more difficult to make a mod for ff8 I guess that explains the rarity in ff8 mods here.. like this gui overhaul and launcher
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11960.msg165749#msg165749
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=9887.msg138554#msg138554
There was a retexture of the main characters and portraits
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=13345.70
Not sure if this worked for pc..
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Awesome. Thanks Raven for this I got a lead, so I'll look into this now
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There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding what is illegal and what is not. The one statement I read which needs to be repeated is...
If you think it might be infringing copyright laws, It probably is.
The facts are that when you purchase a game, you are paying for usage rights. This is NOT to be confused with actually owning the content. The act of reproducing or altering the content in any way without the consent of the game's creator is technically against the law. Does this mean those of us who mod games need to worry about the Feds breaking down the front door and dragging us off to prison? That all depends on the company who created the game, their lawyers, and the answers to questions like...
- Is the individual causing our company harm to our brand?
- Are we losing income due to the individual's actions?
- Would pursuing legal action be worth risking public outcry?
- Are these graphical mods resulting in increased sales?
- Would the legal verdict in our favor solve the problem?
The only way to be 100% free of the risk of criminal prosecution is keep the mods in strict accordance with the game's EULA agreement. Every software developer has their own enforcement policy which can be completely against modding on one game yet permissive on another, so I suggest that you do your homework first.
Reading this thread immediately reminded me of how in 2004, a group of modders got together to put together an HD remake of the popular classic Chrono Trigger... resulting in Square-Enix taking legal action against them. This case set many precedents for digital copyright law and applies to almost all mods NOT specifically consented to in the EULA. We actually studied this case in one of the Jurisprudence
courses I took as an undergrad.
If anyone is interested, there is a blog called Law of the Game (http://"http://lawofthegame.blogspot.com/") which is very informative and covers most aspects of digital copyright and trademark law.
This article "Your Nostalgia, While Charming, Is Illegal: the Problem with Fan Remakes" (http://lawofthegame.blogspot.com/2012/04/your-nostalgia-while-charming-is.html#links) is one i recommend.
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Finally... the voice of logic! Well... as proven in the past and continues in the present, Square does not function with this "voice". That's what we conclude by it's final releases too... I wish someday some clever people take over and save the fate of this company which brings us fans such good memories.
For example allowing users to mod their ff7, ff8 anyway they wish to and helping them with their info will increase their ff7-ff8 sales which are so rare to find in market nowadays without even needed to waste money on a new production.
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I can't see it, I wish I could......
"Coming to Steam this January..... Final Fantasy VII! With Steam Workshop Support and the new Square Enix Creation-Kit!"
I think I would shit a brick... but it'll never happen.