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Miscellaneous Forums => Troubleshooting => Topic started by: azazeldeath on 2011-07-10 07:39:38
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After much searching I found this wonderful site, and needless to say it made me play my PSN version of FF8. While looking for a legit version of the PC FF8 I got hooked.
Now I have a problem, it seems my scratch free FF8 (PC) wont install. It arrived yesterday and I have been trying since.
I put in the CD, auto-run pops up I click install....nothing.
I open the CD and run the setup....nothing.
I change the capatibility (tried every possible option) and add administrator privileges......nothing.
I have also done all of the above after making an ISO (CloneDVD, GamejacklePRO, deamon tools)
I check the task manager and it has a nice selection of SETUP*32.exe that wont progress beyond the 2,596kb mark (approx thats the highest it has got, but most rarely make it that far).
I have also tried something this site doesn't condone which was torrents (all of them have been deleted now). And it resulted in the same thing.
I don't want to have to use the PSX (have the original CDs of them still too, and the PSN version on my PS3 and PSP) version as I had to pay $187 AUS for my FF8 (PC) and I want to use it, and some mods.
Can anyone help.
Specs are as follows:
Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate
Q6600 Quad Core Processor
4Gb DDR3 RAM (2x 2GB sticks)
Radeon 5770 HD 1GB
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Yes I paid $187 for it, it was sealed in its original box. So I thought I would be safe.
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Lots of people have had problems like this (usually with ff7 though), usually it can be solved by installing in safemode, try that and see if that works first.
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I have tried that, it wont let me install anything under safe-mode.
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well that's unusual, OK then next is to copy all the files from the installation CD into a folder on your computer and try running setup.exe in that folder, if the same thing happens try replacing the setup.exe with this one
http://www.mediafire.com/?otqy4axq5x1f7n8
and then see what happens.
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Sadly no luck.
Tried copying the Installation CD onto my HDD, didnt work. Even tried that setup.exe and it didnt work :(
I guess it means I may have to buy another FF8 on my next pay.
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buying another copy seems a little extreme since you will probably get the exact same problem,
You could just try extracting the files from the setup, try a install extractor like "Universal Extractor" (or something similar) to extract the files from the installer so that you don't have to install it (although you will still need to get the registry entries so you could ask someone for them or if you have access to another computer if ask a friend to install it and get the registry entries off them, or use virtualbox to emulate a different computer like a linux computer and get the entries from that)
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I will try that, I have downloaded windows Virtual PC and seeing if running the XP Virtulisation will help. I really hope so otherwise I need to chase down reg files......yay
Will keep you informed via an edit (so I dont double post)
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It seems I just can't win, I ran the XP Virtual PC. Got it installed, further then I have ever got! Tried to run it, crashes to desktop.....
Copy it over to the actual OS. Now it seems EAX.dll hates me. Who would of guessed it'd be so much work to play this game.
Hopefully final EDIT:
I tried to extract the SETUP, this is the report I get after it fails to extract (provides no information at all sadly)
TrID/32 - File Identifier v2.02 - (C) 2003-06 By M.Pontello
Definitions found: 2641
Analyzing...
Collecting data from file: E:\SETUP.EXE
36.4% (.EXE) InstallShield setup (43050/17/16)
31.9% (.EXE) Win32 Executable MS Visual C++ (generic) (37706/45/16)
11.0% (.SCR) Windows Screen Saver (13105/51/3)
8.9% (.EXE) Win32 Executable Generic (10527/13/4)
6.4% (.DLL) Win32 Dynamic Link Library (generic) (7600/42/2)
I am running out of ideas. At this rate I am going to have to stick to the PSX version :( and I really want to be able to use atleast Aali's custom graphics mod.
Note: I tried extracting Aali's mod into the install folder to add the EAX.dll, even put it in system 32.......no luck there either now it just comes up with it missing
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well good news you have gotten further, well if you install Aali's custom driver it replaces the EAX.dll, so try that and see if it fixes the problem your having.
EDIT - also try installing the latest patch before Aali's custom driver.
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My brain keeps hurting from this,
I have tried to patch it, the EAXUnified doesn't add the EAX.dll which I seem to require. I am trying to pull it apart now with the Universal Extractor, not liking my chances on that. It seems this game doesn't get along with Win7 64bit lol.
By the way, thank you for being such a big help so far. Your input has helped me so far, I would try your ideas, give my computer funny looks then work on another idea that was related to yours, hence the XP virtual PC.
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The EAXUnified appears to be doing the same as the installer the first time. I guess I can try it on the XP Virtual PC again. See what I can manage.
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Well after installing the patch latest FF8 patch you should be able to just install Aali's driver to your FF8 folder and use Aali's EAX.DLL (its a modified version for loading FF8 in opengl)
you can get Aali's driver from http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8306.msg166102#msg166102
just download that and extract all the files to your FF8 folder.
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I have his mod in the FF8 folder. I tried his EAX, didnt work, tried the xp one. Lets just say my computer didn't like it, but that't progress.
It tried to boot up, and gave me more errors then I could keep up with. Your ideas are helping immensely btw. I can't tell you how happy I am that I had to restart my computer (only because it means at most I am a few lines of coding away from being able to play)
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well after installing Aali's driver it should produce a App.log, it basically logs all errors and tells you what is going on (then post it here to see if anyone can help) or if you got a error box in the middle of the screen take a screenshot and post it.
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Can't get a screenshot of the error box, but heres the app log.
INFO: FF7/FF8 OpenGL driver version 0.7.11b
INFO: Auto-detected version: FF8 1.2 US English
INFO: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series 4.1.10750 Compatibility Profile Context
INFO: OpenGL 2.0 support detected
INFO: Found swap_control extension
INFO: Max texture size: 16384x16384
INFO: Number of texture units: 8
INFO: Original resolution 640x480, window size 640x480, output resolution 640x480, internal resolution 640x480
INFO: Shader limits: varying 128, vert uniform 16384, frag uniform 16384
ERROR: failed to stat file /shaders/nolight/main.vert
ERROR: failed to load shaders, reverting to fixed function
MATRIX INITIALIZE
INITIALIZING SOUND...
initializing direct sound
EAXDirectSoundCreate
Starting to feel bad for having all these problems and pestering you, and the forums, about them.
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Have you ran the ff8 config and set your sound devices properly?
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First thing I done...mainly because it was the first thing to open. But ill try again, hopefully I just had a massive stupid moment.
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Sadly it was all set up correctly. I tried all 3 options I had, no luck. Still the exact same error report.
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Is a format of the pc and reinstalling windows an option?
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Not really I am afraid.
I have alot of work on here that would take me a very very long time to back up.
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This really is unusual, it does appear to be a sound problem, did you try disabling EAX in FF8config ? also you could try disabling your soundcard to see if that makes any difference but i am not really sure on what is causing the problem. Also did you get the same problem in Virtual PC when running FF8 in XP mode ? Also have you tried running FF8 in different compatibility modes by right clicking the EXE and clicking on properties then compatibility ?
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Where did you install it? Program Files? If you did install there you might have to run the config as administrator as well.
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In the Virtual PC it just crashes to desktop after showing a black screen. I have tried to disable all my sound devices (HDMI, Digital Audio, and the Analog Audio drivers).
http://i55.tinypic.com/2cdvgub.png - this is the error that comes up, finally managed to get a print screen of it.
It is installed in program files. I try to run it as administrator every second time (I try atleast twice for opening it).
When I try open FF8Config after disabling my sound devices it just freezes then windows closes it. Though if you can tell me how to disable EAX via the FF8Config itd be a great help. I cant see an option for it anywhere.
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Well that error shouldn't be a problem although i am wondering why it thinks the shaders are missing, have you checked to make sure they are there ?
I meant in FF8config where it says Use EAX, just unticking that box and seeing what happened.
And i am concerned that it isn't working in Virtual PC either, it should work on XP and if it isn't i am not sure why (also make sure in VirtualPC it is set to software render and NOT hardware render since i don't think virtual PC can emulate graphics properly).
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It wont let you run the hardware render in the Virtual PC.
The shaders are all there. I am even trying a third install, with everything from the setup CD being extracted, still no luck.
I think its time to go bed and sleep on this problem (Australian lol)
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The eax.dll file included with my driver is not a modified version of the real eax.dll, it requires that the actual eax.dll is installed in the system folder (usually C:\Windows\System32)
If you are missing that file a dialog will popup saying "file not found" and the path it was looking for. Thats where you need to put the *real* eax.dll.
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I think i have run out of idea's on this problem, sorry i can't be of more help but if i think of anything i will post back
The eax.dll file included with my driver is not a modified version of the real eax.dll, it requires that the actual eax.dll is installed in the system folder (usually C:\Windows\System32)
If you are missing that file a dialog will popup saying "file not found" and the path it was looking for. Thats where you need to put the *real* eax.dll.
Ah OK thanks for clearing that up, i don't think that is his problem anyway (since he doesn't seem to get the error "File Not Found")
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seems this game doesn't get along with Win7 64bit lol.
i dont think that the OS is the problem cause im using win7 64x aswell and ff8 works just fine..
is there any other application failling to install or run? also try checking ALL ur drivers + run a scan with anti-virus/anti spyware application and see if it picks anything.. if nothing works u should consider re-installing windows even tho u need to backup alot of stuff.. cause that's not a ff8 problem it seems... its most likely something messed on ur windows
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I have never had a problem with any other program.
Just checked all my drivers, every single one of them was up to date except the MS software (made no difference).
I ran the anti-spyware and anti-virus. Computer came back clean, tried afterwards, still nothing :(
I guess I need to buy some external HDD and attempt to move 1.8TB of work onto them. Think it will take a few days though.
EDIT:
Now I know my computer hates me. After backing up everything, reinstalling windows and my programs it, including FF8 . I still get the same problem with FF8. No problems with anything else though.\
EDIT2:
Tried it all again, unless someone has another solution I will have to buy an old computer and just run it off that. Seems kind of wasteful to me but I really want to play this game on the PC.
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I am at a loss to explain what is happening. You have a system similar to mine and I had no issues running FF8.
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Now that I've actually read the whole thing its pretty obvious what the problem is. You have my fake eax.dll installed in your system dir instead of the real one. So when my fake dll is trying to use the real dll it just keeps calling itself over and over, hanging and eventually crashing FF8.exe.
Remove my dll from your system dir, install eax and try again.
I should probably add a safeguard against this for the next version of the driver.
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i dont think that the OS is the problem cause im using win7 64x aswell and ff8 works just fine..
is there any other application failling to install or run? also try checking ALL ur drivers + run a scan with anti-virus/anti spyware application and see if it picks anything.. if nothing works u should consider re-installing windows even tho u need to backup alot of stuff.. cause that's not a ff8 problem it seems... its most likely something messed on ur windows
Every driver is updated, I have tried to re-install windows twice now. None of my hardware is faulty. I have even paid a computer tech (I went to uni to study it myself as well but a second opinion never hurts) he couldn't find anything wrong with my computer, or any drivers out of date, he was actually surprised that my bios is up to date since most people neglect that.
And as I said, I haven't ever had a problem with programs installing or running before.
I am speaking to a friend and thinking of buying his old gaming computer and seeing if perhaps that will solve the problem. Just need to set it up to share the mouse and keyboard (separate monitor) to save my desk space.
Finally, my computer is actually virus and adware free. A rather hard task, but when it runs 3 times a day it can actually stay on top of it.
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Azazeldeath, can you confirm whether Aali's solution worked for you?
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It didn't work. I have basically given up on trying to install the PC version I guess un-modded FF8 will have to do on the PS3.
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this is a pretty good mistery.. i would rly like to know what's preventing u from installing/running the game...
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I couldn't agree more, I want to play this on the PC with the mods. But until I can work out what is causing it to play up I am stuck :/
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I hope the solution is as simple as I think.
You write "I have also done all of the above after making an ISO (CloneDVD, GamejacklePRO, deamon tools)"
Do you have during that the option 'Ignore Read Errors' (or similar) DISABLED?
If not, the copy program will write all mistakes into the ISO-Image without informing you.
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Tried with and without, doesn't change the errors.
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OK, I have another idea. Google for "Ultimate Boot CD" burn them and start your computer from the CD.
Search for "Memtest" and test your RAM. It takes about 2 to 3 hours, the faster it goes, if you choose test number 5.
greeting Kompass63
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I am afraid to say, I have already tried that, I have tested my RAM, HDD, and done torture tests on my CPU and GPU.
They passed all the tests I could throw at them. My computer appears to be running in perfect condition.
Another test I tried was over clocking, and under clocking my CPU and GPU. That made no difference.
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Win7 64 bits for me too. Just FYI, I'm using 0.7.9b for FF8. I never got any problem with FF8, with or without the 1.02 patch, and with or without Aali's driver.
You should try using 0.7.9b, just in case :)
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I'm using Win7 64 bits and Aali's Driver 0.7.11b, will run...good enough.
Ok, I once had problems with a floppy disk, my motherboard manufacturer suggested I turn off HPET in the BIOS.
This has helped me...
greeting Kompass63
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I know that i am a bit late but i had the urge to play this game again:)I had the same problem and i could say i lost many hours to make it work installing(Setup.exe showed at task manager but instalation didnt start)! The solution i found was that there was a conflict and setuup exe was pending! *SOLUTION>>>>>STart Task Manager>Performance>Source Monitor>Find Setup.exe and right click and Select {Analyze Wait Chain} and u will find which program is obstracting setup.exe from instaling*close that program and after That Enjoy The game!
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Holy wow... 2 years later. Hope you are enjoying the game and you must be some kind of windows genius to have discovered that solution. If I may be so bold... what program was it that was obstructing your setup.exe from running?