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Miscellaneous Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joey on 2002-01-02 01:59:00
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Lets hope that this is not true. In Square's site. FFX is "exclusive" for PS2, meaning, 50% chance that it will not be released for PC. Any comments?
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F***ING SH*T!!!
I was really hoping for it too! I don't like the idea of having to buy an entire game system for only one or two games!
But then again, we should've expected this since Sony bought about 100 million shares of Squaresoft, making it the 2nd largest Squaresoft shareholder...
Sephiroth 3D
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Great. So Sony just basically ripped a page from the Microsoft book. Wonderful. -_-
So, like can the FFremake project take things into their own hands and develop FF10 for the PC on their own? :D
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If we had a few more programmers and access to their files and their file descriptions and everything, yeah maybe. Otherwise, no. Besides, we would never be able to get the rights to do it, so even if we tried, we'd get our butts sued off.
What we need is a lot of letters send to Squaresoft in order for it to get made. It's easy to dismiss and delete email, but it's much harder to dismiss and "delete" physical letters. If someone can get the info such as where we need to send it, and who to send it to, please post it here!
Sephiroth 3D
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Remake for FFX? That would be.....copyright infrimgment for the time being.
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Sephiroth 3D: I really doubt that it would work. There was discussion about petitions and stuff _long_ time ago (long enough that I couldn't find it with search), where halkun expressed his views on Square's decision making process. I agree with it completely, you can't convince company of that size into making a port that their own research has deemed as having very bad profitability
It's about money, after all. Of course, if you could get tens of thousands of people to send letters, it might have some effect (as in; they _might_ re-evaluate the profitability), otherwise it's pretty much lost cause, IMHO.
The Movie makes it even less likely, causing Square to make a net loss for the first year ever is pretty strong incentive to stick to things that are known to be profitable. And one can't really downplay Sony's part in it either.
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*Sighs and starts counting out $350 US*
I remember when the games I wanted to play were about $300 less than I'm paying now.
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i wasn't that impressed by ffx...... probably not worth making it for PC. no world map >=(
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Me too MMiller8... Me too. *Begins work so he can afford both of them...*
Jari... Let's start with the letters. If there's a chance, let's take it. Unless you want to start building a PS2 emulator, that is...
Sephiroth 3D
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But can ve do something about square to make it release FFX for PC?
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in a word: no
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Well, I might be able to give a tiny bit of hope.
I was at Hollywood Video (it's a movie/video game rental place, like BlockBuster Video) and I was looking thru their selection of PSX games when I came across FF7 PSX. On the back, it said, "available ONLY on PlayStation".
Well, they must have changed their minds on that issue, otherwise, FF7PC is a forgery.
Maybe the same will happen with FFX.....
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On the other hand, it could have been made before the PC version came out, cause I just checked my copy of FF7 PSX, and sure enough, it doesn't say that at all. So your "hope" may not be as bright as you thought... :cry:
Sephiroth 3D
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I'd given up hope a long time ago. And having a PS 2 would be nice, but tuition and taxes are tearing me up this year (not to mention being on the heels of christmas).
I had made overtures a while back about the ps2 to my S.O., only to be countered with veiled threats like "If you bring that thing home and put it on the credit card I'll pour gasoline on you while you sleep and set you on fire, only to put it out in time to save your organs so I can sell them to pay off the cards..."
Real life is a drag. :x
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FFX for pc. good lord i hope not. FFX was far to easy i beat it with barely 26 hours of game time. :o the graphics were wonderful though. i'm thinking about playing it again just for that. they should have gotten better gameplay down then done the graphics or atleast made it multi-cd but nope they didn't and it really ruined the gameplay, far to linear :( but oh well. it's worth playing for the graphics. just wait for the ps2emu and rent it or something.
edit: added puncuation and fixed typos as to seph's indirect request.
[edited] 275 2002-01-03 04:41
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You know PS, it's difficult to understand you when you don't put commas and periods in your sentences...
Sephiroth 3D
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[edited] 135 2002-01-03 04:12
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here here! im on my 35th hour of gameplay (5 hours i was paused, but it doesnt stop the game timer) im not even to the final boss. Besides, you used the strategy guide through the ENTIRE game.
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except i didn't only on the third temple. my bro only said that cause he thought i did. oh and i used to to locate items earliy on in the game, after a while you get used to finding them in the game as they follow the same line of logic. i just sat up and played all night and became delerious, basicly the same thing as being creative except with out the cost of art suppilies.
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"I just used it to get all of the items." You have to read what to do in order to find where the items are.
i spend so much time on battles..... thats part of my problem. my chars suck.
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Wow, 26 hours? I think I have played 50 hours or somehing and the end is nowhere in sight. Anyway, PS2 console is worth buying, not only because of FF series, but also of other games like EA games too. Unfortunately Resident Evil/Biohazard series is now only Gamecube exclusive, so maybe I will have to pick one up.
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yes the ps2 is worth buying and the reason i have 26 hors is that i didn't do any sidequests i just ran through the game doing only what i needed to. gonna play it again for blitz ball. i only played 1 game besideds teh tournament and i didn't get the jecht shot either :(
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i really need to level my characters. it makes me over 15000 AP to get a single sphere level. it must be hell for you with 50 hours.
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Of course, your also forgetting that the PS2 can function as a more reliable PS1 emulator than ePSXe. Except you can't go above 640x480, but on a TV, how can you tell the difference between that and 800x600?
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i really need to level my characters. it makes me over 15000 AP to get a single sphere level. it must be hell for you with 50 hours.
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Will the gyus stop corrupting this thread with FFX game spoilers? There is already FFX the thread, full with your rants about FFX. Go post them there, not here
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...and so the pot called the kettle black.
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i dont see any spoilers here, mr. "i already know the ending and everything about the game"
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Good point Darkness...
Sephiroth 3D
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Well, I don't get it. SquareSoft is a big company, yet it doesn't update its website very often. As for me, I'm going to write e-mails and snail-mail letters to the company. There is a squaresoft building near Los Angeles, in Costa Mesa I believe. I don't know about you guys, but I'm doing it. There are thousands of other people doing it too, a few more could help.
I can't afford a PS2, and I don't want to wait until the price drops or until there is an emulator.
I WANT FFX FOR THE PC :x :x :x :x :x :evil:
-vvalentine
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Hey! Post that snail-mail addy here! I wanna join in too!
Sephiroth 3D
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I sent them an e-mail about a week ago....still no response.
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your not going to get a response, i don't think. they just look at it and decide wether or not actualy to listen to you. and the more people that ask for the same thing the more it's wated that they'll do it.
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Like i said: Email doesn't work. Only Snail-mail does!
Sephiroth 3D
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I don't think that thew will ever pay attention to it....... :(
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Never under-estimate the power of snail mail! Look what it did for Star Trek!
Sephiroth 3D
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Spamming in snail-mail might work, say, 100000 letters to there at once, all with the same thing to make the ceos there crazy....
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Yes, certainly spamming in all forms work. It generally makes people very annoyed, which is just about the opposite of the desired effect.
Funny anecdote; look what it did for Star Trek, indeed. Finnish MTV3 (or MTV back then) decided to quit showing ST:TNG after the third season. Snail mail spamming ensued, angry fans even dug up the home phone number of the unfortunate dude who was responsible for those decisions. Death threats at night. All kinds of nice stuff like that.
Result? The dude vowed never to buy any sci-fi, much less Star Trek. And lo and behold; there was no sci-fi at MTV for several years after that, and to this day they have remained extremely reserved towards sci-fi series, X-Files and Millennium being just about as far as they are willing to go.
So I would suggest thinking carefully about methods that you are willing to use, some of them might do the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.
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What to do....my friend from square says that he can't do anything bout it.....but he hinted that if there is 100000 requests square just might.....
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Jari: There's a difference between spam and requests... just so long as a majority of the letters are requests, I don't see the problem.
Sephiroth 3D
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So....can someone send the letteres on everyone's behalf?
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I think I found some letters posted in other boards that have the same kind of topic. I'm thinking of doing my own letter, I could post it later on.
-vvalentine
Edit: I just found this right now. Check it.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/finalfantasyx0/ (http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/finalfantasyx0/)
[edited] 213 2002-01-04 09:25
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Square CEOs are iron-handed. They do what they want without thinking bout others.
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i'm pretty sure that the mail guys would be the one's getting pissed off the not the ceo: "Ohhhhhh look more stuff to burn in Russia!!!"
i think it might something like that
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Now I understand why they will never make a FFXPC... Everyone who should be telling them to make it is so damn pesimistic!
I think I'm gonna cry... :cry: :cry: :cry:
Sephiroth 3D
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We can try sending mail.....try.....
Can anyone send? I can't as I live too far..... :(
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Well, they always answered all my previous E-mails. Of course...not always, all of the question. Take note that this was an old response from about 3 months ago (they responded the same day).....I sent them a question of FF10 alone, in the December 27th....that the one I never got a response from. (maybe I pissed them off :D...it's on the very bottom.)
Dear Customer:
Thank you for taking the time to e-mail us. Final Fantasy 10 has been
confirmed for release on the Sony PlayStation 2, and is currently planned
for release in early 2002. Unfortunately, since Final Fantasy 10 is in
early stages of translation and Final Fantasy 11 is in the early stages of
development, we do not have any more information than that at present.
Keep checking the "Latest News" portion of our website,
http://www.squaresoft.com, for updates on those games.
Sincerely,
Ryan Riley
Customer Service Representative
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, **** wrote:
> So, is FF10 coming to the PC world of gaming?
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> And is there any possiblity for new patches for FF7 PC. Seems like people are having trouble with the Chocobo Racing part and Windows 2000. Also it seems that The G3 won't work with FF7 but the Geforce2 will work with the TNT patch.
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> The boys at Eidos say it's Squaresoft's responsiblity for patches.
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What I sent on Dec 27th:
Any word on FFX being ported to the PC?
Too bad there isn't an emulator for the PS2.
[edited] 65 2002-01-05 01:20
[edited] 65 2002-01-05 01:22
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see it's an automated message. their cpu just checks for keywords. inthis case "FF10". then it send back a message. emailing them death won't work. maybe if you held a ceo hostage........
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"A deranged maniac has kidnaped a CEO of Squaresoft today. The police aren't quite sure what to make of his demands."
"We talked to the individual, and we asked him want he wanted. His strange lists of demands includes a 'Windows 2000/XP Final Fantasy 7 patch', a 'Final Fantasy 10 PC edition' and a list of other things."
"What are your plans for capturing this individual?"
"We really can't discuss that. But right now, we're trying to understand his demands. Some of the things he wants just aren't what we're used to."
"The man, calling himself 'Threesixty' is still keeping the police at bay..."
:D
Sephiroth 3D
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*Oggy, Marky, Dee Dee, Joey, Jack and Bob jumps in*
*Oggy hits them both with a gigantic fly swatter and laughs sacarsticly*
*Marky, Dee Dee and Joey launches a nuclear missile on them both and laughs sacarsticly*
*Jack stomps them both and throws them into a rubbih dump and laughs sacarsticly*
*Bob bashes them up, steamarolls them and laughs sacarsticly*
No offence, everyone!!!
My Oggy and the cockroaches revenge on square :lol: :D :laugh:
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Oh my God! Joey killed Squaresoft!
You B@stard!
Sephiroth 3D
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Sephiroth 3D: You are right. It's because of pessimistic people that don't do nothing that make these kind of things hard to perform. If every fan of Final Fantasy or at least half of the fans would make a letter to squaresoft, I bet that they would for sure make FFX for PC.
Today (Saturday) I am making the letter, and I will send more letters until I get a good response.
-vvalentine -_-
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i'm gonna write a program that send 10 messages a minute :). if anyone want it just tell me. i'll make another post when i'm done with it. hehe here i come Squaresoft!!!!!!
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Hmm .... spam mail bombing. That's likely to get your email address blocked, possibly your server blacklisted, and maybe your ISP account cancelled if you're unlucky. And will Square agree? Will they $%#%. Like Jari said, heavy tactics just make companies stubborn.
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I would love to send an email, and I would if I though that it would actually influence any decision making at Square. However, I am sure that even if the letter made it all the way to the Square Execs., they would be extremely put off by my tear-stained letter full of begging. :cry:
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hence the use of email.
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Does anyone have that Snail-Mail addy yet? (I guess I'm too lazy to look for it myself...)
PS: Fice is totally right. Don't bother with the program. Now if you could make one that sent snail mail every 10 minutes... that would be something!
Sephiroth 3D
"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
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that'd be easy just have to change the timer intervals. :) i'll make today and send to you on icq. if any one else wants it just tell me. :)
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lol. i bet there are machines that do that, seph3d.
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maybe but this is free
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Here is the snail-mail address for the one near me.
This is the link to the site that has it.
www.neoseeker.com/Companies/profiles/Squaresoft/ (http://neoseeker.com/Companies/profiles/Squaresoft/)
-vvalentine
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Thanks! I'm gonna send that letter soon!
Sephiroth 3D
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Can someone send on my behalf? I'm too far.
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Personally I doubt Square will release a PC Version of FFX.. because Sony is the 2nd largest share-holder... obviously they'd want to promote more PS2 sales.........
Besides that, FFX uses DVD-ROM, so there's no need for multiple discs anymore (correct me if I'm wrong,please) ...... if it is converted to PC I think gamers would need to get a DVD-ROM, but I don't really think that would be much of a problem though....
There's only one consolation now...... that is FFXI is coming for the PC (Square announced it....), thus I feel that the best way is to wait for FFXI.
Another thing is about develping a PS2 Emulator. I would deem that as 'impossible' for the moment. Even if you've coded it so well, a PC at the current moment don't have the processing power to match PS2's. Perhaps we should wait till PCs hit 4GHz then there will be PS2 emulators :smoke: (I've read some articles regarding PS2 VS PC)
Why? Just look at PS. It was released during the P166/200 era (correct me if I'm wrong again, I'm guessing). And after so many years (4-5), there is a stable emulator....... and still it needs a fast CPU (at least 500MHz)
Just my point of view.
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Well, I have things for you guys to think about:
Whether it be automated or no, check this response out:
Dear Customer:
Thank you for taking the time to e-mail us. We don't have any information
on Square of Japan's future plans regarding the release of our titles for
the PC at this time. The only thing we do know is that there are no
immediate plans for any more PC ports. We apologize for any
inconvenience.
Sincerely,
Ryan Riley
Customer Service Representative
And, on the topic of emulators, what I'm surprised no one's thought about is ONE GAME emulators.
See, it takes a very long time to write a good emulator that works (mostly) like a Playstation or PS2. This also requires a lot of processing power.
But, what if one were to write an emulator specifically for FFX? Nothing else would be compatible. Then, you can write optimazations and such up the wazoo, have the code be as speghetti as you wish, because it doesn't need to be widely compatible. You could do game-specific optimizations (which you can't do with normal emu's) game-specific data reads, and so on and so on.
Now, I'm not talented enough to write something like this. But if you people are willing to spread this idea around those who are (ie, idle and/or "perfecting mode" emu authors), I'd be much obliged. Hell, I don't even need credit for the idea: just seeing the game run would be enough.
Barawulf
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-Too lazy to register... hence the Anonymous-ness.
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Oooooh! I don't know about you guys, but that ticked me off.
I'm still to finish my draft, I want it to be as professional as possible. Then I'm going to make a lot of printouts so I could give it to my friends and the people at school so they could send it too.
-vvalentine
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Just respond back with...
Us Computer users of Final Fantasy 7 and 8....refuse to buy or use FF11 and it's online pay per month service...until you release 9 and 10 to the PC.
I believe we all know who really supports On-line gaming.....agree to our terms, and we agree not to overlook your product when it hits the shelves. If you ignore us, we shall in turn ignore you.
signed, "The League"
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anyone ever play Iwar2?
It could, work....if every PC user in the World unites. Hurry!, someone get TechTV on the wire. :o
[edited] 65 2002-01-08 05:38
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Forget FFIX for the PC.... just make FFX for the PC!!!! ^_^ since FFIX can be played using an emu.........
And as for the ONE GAME emu, nice idea... but still it'll take lotsa time to come out with a nice emulator (for FFX only).
[edited] 81 2002-01-08 18:49
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Any PS2 Emu will require a DVD-ROM even if it's only for FFX. That won't be a problem with most gamers.
And Threesixty is totally right. We need to send them a strong and firm letter, and make sure that all of the PC users in the world unite with us, no matter how difficult it may be.
I currently have no plans to buy FFXI simply because I can't afford $10 a month. (well I can, but I refuse to.) One of those reasons is my internet connection sux a$$. No cable, no DSL, and no ISDN. Only dialup. That means 56k support MAX. And no matter what game you play, you need a better connection than that to play without the lag you'd need to not have in a game like FFXI. (I hope that made sense.)
And Threesixty is right again, that someone needs to get TechTV in on this. The ScreenSavers and Gamespot would be the best bets on that channel. We need to form an anti-FFXI union, so we can also get noticed by the news. That will go a long way towards getting Square to realize that we mean business.
I agree that we don't nessicarelly need FF9 on PC, but I refuse not to play FF10 on the PC! I'm gonna have to upgrade my computer, but you know what? I have at least 2 computers that can out-perform a PS2! (Independantly, not together!) We have the technology. FF10 can be a port. No adaption nessicary!
One thing I think we should ask for is a WinXP/2000 patch for FF7...
wow... long post...
Sephiroth 3D
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:looks both ways, too see if any Square PR's are within ear-shot:
"It's called, negotiation ...shhhh"
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Check this out, supposedly there is going to be a PS2 emulator for the MacOS X.
http://www.macevangelist.com/news/2001/1022.html (http://www.macevangelist.com/news/2001/1022.html)
-vvalentine
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well isn't that dandy.
*laughs at the name of the site, "The Grinch Project"* hehe
well at least it costs them money.
(http://www.macevangelist.com/Resources/onlinecommunitygroupsocgso.gif)
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Why eveyone don't just buy a PS2 console and leave it at that? It's not that expensive anyway, especially when compared with computers that have the same graphical capabilities as the console. Plus, don't have to worry with patches, incompatible graphic cards, game crashes (console games will not crash unless you are using Gamesharks etc.) and a lot more. And you can start playing right away, no need of long loading times for Windows :) For me, I will pick a console version of a game over the computer version anytime, especially for RPGs (maybe FPS games is an exception though). That's why I never signed petitions that asked SquareSoft to release PC ports of any of their games.
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#1) Petitions never work with companies.
#2) Price-wise, you are right about consoles vs computers.
However, I disagree that C(onsoles) are better choices than PCs. PCs may not have the instant play that any console may have, but the PCs can do a helluva lot more than any console ever made! (I'd make a list, but I want to keep this post less than a page or so...)
Personally, if I have the choice between C and PC, I'll go with PC anyday of the week! First of all, the quality is usually much better. The resolutions are higher, plus you can play just about any game you want, including N64, SNES, NES, PSX, and a ton of other systems if you download an emulator. Show me a C that can do that!
Sephiroth 3D
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Well my reason I don't have a PS2:
The games I played on it werent all that good
I spent all my money on a nintendo gamecube
and the ps2 is too big to fit in the space that I have left for my entertainment system, maybe I should stop bashing that Xbox and get one so I can squash the entertainment center smaller hmmm....
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or get the PS2 and duct tape it to the side....
"What the hell is that thing sticking out of your entertainment system?"
"Oh thats my PS2. I didn't have any room left so i just put it there."
"Cool I'm going to go glue mine to the WALL!!!!"
that'd be great. hehe. oh and you have to use bright GREEN ducttape. or police warning tape just to make it a better conversatin starter?
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yea, seph 3d I agree with you.
A PC is not only for gaming, it can be used for other purposes. (i.e programming, office work, graphics editing,etc.)
Yes, I have to agree, PS2 is way cheaper than a PC.... no doubts.
But looking at the prices of PS2 games....... oohhh.........
but I couldn't really blame it; PS2 games uses DVD in contrast to PC's CD.
Anyhow, there are pros and cons on both PC and PS2. 8)
I'd always pick PCs over consoles as some games (like FPS) are waayyy much easier to handle by using a mouse and keyboard :D
And PC's RPG certainly rocks (some of them are really good, some are really bad though). Consoles RPG is kind of nice too (like FFX) but have limited gameplay IMO.
Just my point of view. :rolleyes:
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many premanufactured systems include dvd drives. pc games cost just as much, if not more than ps2 games. A PC with 4-5x the processing power of a PS2 can now be bought for about the same price :D
[edited] 249 2002-01-09 21:44
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Heh, one GT3 DVD costs 34.99 quids
Return To Castle Wolfenstein, which is a new game, costs 29.99 quids.
And apart from that, RTCW supports free multiplayer gaming.... :)
Anyway, as I said before, no point comparing the games prices... :cool: .... as I don't even have money to buy any :cry:
heh heh.
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the hell is a quid? is it a dollar? or something else? cause thats how much RCW costs here.
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RtcW is 50 USD, i think. i think a quid is a malaysian dollar.
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oh i thought it was lower as it wasn't selling too well. maybe i'm just being ignorant again.... hope not
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Chibimaruko: There is an obvious explanation of why many people would like FFX for the PC. Personally I cannot afford to buy one. I mean, I could buy 5 playstation2s with my savings alone, but I have to buy books, pay rent, buy food, pay utilities, car expenses, and some minor miscellaneous things. Plus I don't have a job right now. I have a laptop, and I was able to barely buy that. That is all I have for everything. The thing is that Squaresoft can do a PC version of FFX. They just don't want to do it because of Sony (increase the sale of Playstation2). I don't buy many games (sometimes friends let me "borrow" them), but if it was something from Squaresoft, then I would buy it.
It's just like buying a $350 FFX for people who ONLY (and just only) want to play FFX. Get my drift?
-vvalentine
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A quid is a British pound (UKP). I wasn't aware that Malaysia used the same slang for their money too ;)
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well, hes from malaysia, so there was a chance i would be right :D
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However, I disagree that C(onsoles) are better choices than PCs. PCs may not have the instant play that any console may have, but the PCs can do a helluva lot more than any console ever made! (I'd make a list, but I want to keep this post less than a page or so...)
Personally, if I have the choice between C and PC, I'll go with PC anyday of the week! First of all, the quality is usually much better. The resolutions are higher, plus you can play just about any game you want, including N64, SNES, NES, PSX, and a ton of other systems if you download an emulator. Show me a C that can do that!
The quality may be better, but ePSXe don't even play 30% games out there. And what is better between this 2:-
1. Playing at 1024x768 with a 17' monitor with stereo sound.
2. Playing at 640x480 with a flatscreen Sony Wega 29" TV plus with Dolby Surround (or maybe AC-3) sound.
I'll take the second option anytime! None of the console emu out there plays all games anyway; zSNES, ePSXe etc. So you can't just play any games you want. Until now, I still can't make Formula 1 2001 to boot up with ePSXe. And so are Smackdown 2. Lots of great games like those 2 are just unplayable with emu. Show me a console emu that can play all games and I will shut up. Or maybe you can show me a console that don't allow you to play all titles for its platform. There''s simply none out there.
Console surely can't do word processing and stuff, but that's why I have a computer! I personally think if a computer can do anything, maybe my productivity will be reduced, that's all. I buy a console NOT to make a weekly reports or creating PowerPoint slide shows, but to play games! And all my consoles do a terrific job with it.
There is an obvious explanation of why many people would like FFX for the PC. Personally I cannot afford to buy one. I mean, I could buy 5 playstation2s with my savings alone, but I have to buy books, pay rent, buy food, pay utilities, car expenses, and some minor miscellaneous things. Plus I don't have a job right now. I have a laptop, and I was able to barely buy that. That is all I have for everything. The thing is that Squaresoft can do a PC version of FFX. They just don't want to do it because of Sony (increase the sale of Playstation2). I don't buy many games (sometimes friends let me "borrow" them), but if it was something from Squaresoft, then I would buy it.
I don't believe that Squaresoft will be able to port the FFX without requiring you to have a GeForce 2 class graphic accelerator. But if you want them to port FFX and sacrificing in quality, it will be better if Squaresoft doesn't port FFX at all. Nevertheless, there are a lot of great game developers out there. SquareSoft is not only a good developer out there, there are also some others like Enix, Namco, Capcom and the list goes on and on. And not all Squaresoft games are that good anyway. Personally, I think FFX's quality hovers just barely above average, but the graphics and voice-overs are the ones that will keep me playing that game. Try to look other developers' PS2 offerings and you will not regret buying a PS2. Can't afford it? Start saving! It's fortunate that I'm now working though.....
I just can't really think why people wants to play FFX with crappy graphics, because FFX will surely looks like a stupid title without the that great graphic (which is the main reason why FFX is a good title).
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Most probally, if Square really wants to port to PC, it will hint that. Try reading magazine interviews.
- Nathan
(Sorry, Joey....)
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A console that will pay every game, huh? Ok. NEStical. It plays EVERY NES game ever made with little-to-no problems whatsoever!
And they don't have to sacrifice quality at all. Where did you get that crap? (sorry if I sound mean. I's WAY past my bedtime, and I'm starting to get hungery...) GF2 cards basicly exist in every gamer's system, if not better cards. (The GF3 TI 500 comes to mind...) Requiring such a card is not a big deal. What I'm more worried about is the HD space required. Even with the requirements of a DVD-ROM and a GF2, that's not nearly expensive to a gamer like me as buying a PS2 and a memorycard and FF10.
As for the other games, I've seen a few good ones, but so far, the only game that even makes buying a PS2 worth it, if FF10. And if I can get that on PC for $60, I'll do it. It's better than $370! (You guys have to remember to buy memory cards!)
Sephiroth 3D
"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
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Seph3d: Yeah. The reason I have a PC is that I need one for my uni course ... but the reason I have a *good* PC is to play games on it. I could probably do my uni work on a P-300, maybe less, but I have a more powerful one for gamesplaying, mostly. Reason? I'm a student and I *can't* afford more than one games system. Given the choice between a PS2 *or* a GC *or* an XBox *or* a games capable PC, I'd go for the PC. Which I have. Because however badly, it can at least attempt to play games from other consoles (and FF9, for a start, looked well better on my PC than on my friends PS2, and the N64 games look OK) - in addition of course, all the PC native games are great, and there's more of them too.
It's not a question of "well, I could get a PS2 if I wanted, it'd just mean saving up", to do that I'd need to get a job (nice idea, but my workload is bad enough *now*) or give up something like, umm, going out? So, if I don't go out at all for the next 4-5 months I could afford a PS2. Thanks, but no thanks.
I'm already going to have a big enough debt when I leave uni without spending any more on leisure. I can justify upgrading a PC that I need anyway, since that's not too expensive (and it *does* get used for my course too; the 3d card means I can do programming in 3d graphics, and so on). I can justify going out because you *can't* spend all your time working. I *can't* justify spending £200 on a PS2, plus buying ridiculously expensive games for them (sorry, I've never seen a PC game released more than £30, but that would be cheap for the PS2).
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And they don't have to sacrifice quality at all. Where did you get that crap? (sorry if I sound mean. I's WAY past my bedtime, and I'm starting to get hungery...) GF2 cards basicly exist in every gamer's system, if not better cards. (The GF3 TI 500 comes to mind...) Requiring such a card is not a big deal. What I'm more worried about is the HD space required. Even with the requirements of a DVD-ROM and a GF2, that's not nearly expensive to a gamer like me as buying a PS2 and a memorycard and FF10.
You obviously don't play lots of PS2 games surely. The graphic in FFX is just awesome (I'm not kidding - and I am not talking about cut-scenes). Not only FFX, other games are too, for example The Bouncer and Fifa 2002. Even I am worried that GeForce 2 is probably not enough to match PS2 Emotion Engine graphic capabilities. GeForce 2 class accelerators maybe is the standard of the gamers out there. But remember, not all gamers play Final Fantasy. If Square does wants to port FFX to PC AND does decide that they don't want to sacrifice quality, the target market that would be able to play FFX will be so small the R.O.I. will be not enough for the company. It's not viable for SquareSoft to make FFXPC just because a few people wants it. And does people will actually go out and buy a DVD-ROM and a GeForce 2 accelerators just for FFX? I think not.
And about NESticle, it doesn't play some Megaman games....
Actualyy (for me), FFX doesn't really merit buying the PS2. But I am still buying it because of other games like Madden, Smackdown 3( I will buy this in the future), Fifa 2002 etc. I will rather playing console games on a console than playing it on a PC. No quirks at all. And it's not that my computer is not powerful enough. It may be a little expensive than PC games, but it really worth it. About memorycards, it's not that the contents are unerasable.....
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Ahahahaha! Oh god! Graphics DO NOT make a good game. In fact, graphics have no point. Think back to Chrono Trigger, it is still the best game ever created. Just because FFX has good graphics does not mean it is a good game.
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graphics do mean something in a game. like no one would play ,say, war craft 3 "for the engine" the point of that game is the way it LOOKS. graphics shape a game and what people think about II.
II: you stole darkness's avatar.
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Hey hey darkness you're wrong... quids is UKP (United Kingdom Pounds) as Ficedula said..... he's right after all! :D
Though I'm from Malaysia... I did mentioned that I'm studying in UK now :D
Msia's currency exchange... 1 quid = 5 Ringgit, thus a 29.99 quids game would cost approximately 150 Ringgits! :)
I learn the term 'quid' from my English friends here...... hehehehe
Yes, good points, a PC might need a GeForce2 card to play FFX, etc.
Games graphic is quite an important aspect too, imagine asking someone to play a game like Final Fantasy VIII on software rendering... no way, I would rather play it on a PSX then :)
And cHiBiMaRuKo, you said a choice between a 17' monitor with stereo sound vs. a Sony Wega 29' Wega TV plus Dolby Surround... obviously whoever would be smart enough to choose the second one.... but
PC development has advanced a lot too, PC do have 5.1 speakers that can produce the same quality sound too :wink:
and also don't forget TV-Output..... hehehe (But I think many people don't even bother about it heh)
There are pros and cons if you're comparing the graphics of both PC and PS2. PS2 certainly has the edge in graphics even in low res thanks to the scanlines and other features that a TV has.
PC graphics has more details, unlike PS2's. The higher the res, the more detail there is. However, this requires a fast PC to perform at such level too...
Obviously PC has new technologies like FSAA, and other stuffs too. But all these requires money too. Thus, nothing is ever perfect, there is surely a con of something.
Just my point of view. :)
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Chibimaruko: I have played FF8 in PC, and I think the graphics weren't that good as on the Playstation. Still I wanted to play the game, even if the story wasn't so good. I still play the old Nintendo Final Fantasies. They have the worst graphics of all the FF games, and I am still hooked on the games. My laptop is capable of playing Playstation games and N64 games with good graphics. I wouldn't mind FFX to be done with not so great graphics.
Computers right now are increasing their power. I wouldn't be surprised that by the time SquareSoft comes with an FFX for PC (if such thing happens) the graphics in a PC could be even better than the PS2.
If I was to buy a PC instead of a PS2. I would prefer to buy the PC because I could do so many other stuff with it than I would with a PS2. Just think about this, N64, Playstation, SuperNintendo, NES, MAME, Neo-Geo, and many other consoles and games. Plus you can use your computer to play movies, hear music, use the Internet, and many other things. This makes a PC a far better investment than a PS.
Most people who play the FF series are College students. A PC is the only tool we have for school, work, and entertainment. I'm not good in managing money, but I sure know that buying a PlayStation 2 would be a waste for me at the moment.
-vvalentine
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Yes, I'm an IB student, but I cannot afford a PS2 because I need to get a new TV set as well..... :cool:
And besides that, I study IT as part of my IB course, thus computer plays really a big role :D
Apart from that, assignments, homework and Internet research depends heavily on my PC. People might think that getting a fast PC is just for gaming, but IMO, it isn't :D
I do Video editing and MPEG presentations , which requires a lot of CPU power.
Thus, I feel PC is the best choice yet.... especially for students..... not only for homework, animations , video encoding, it can be used as a source of entertainment (Don't forget a PC can be a music jukebox as well :) ) and obviously gaming.
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FFTactic_Boy: 96 inch HDTV + 5.1Dolby Surround + Geforce 3 /w TV out + SB Live! 5.1 /w stero/mono out + DVD-ROM drive + perfect PS2 emu and your set for life :) too bad there's no such thing as a "perfect" emu or even a ps2 emu for that matter :(
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Exactly, we depend a lot on computers. Besides, I'm not home most of the time, and if I am, my roommate would be watching TV (the only TV we have and it's hers).
-vvalentine
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All I can say is this.....
We all know that FF11 is going to be online, it's going to cost a monthly fee, and as far as we know, it has no single player capabilities. If I was someone important inside Square's marketing, my goal would be to get as many people who have an online connection, to buy my game. I can't think of a better way of getting the boxes to sell, than to package it with FF10...
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The reason I don't buy a console?
Number one reason....They are forcing me to....And I refuse to be forced to do anything.
It symbolizes lazyness....at least with a computer....you can hide behind it :D . Besides....I like having the TV on while I'm playing something. You never know when something good starts showing.
Someone said that computers cost a lot more than a console. Yes, they do. But I already paid for the computer. And I'm only intrested in one game on the PS2. It's like, "hmmm I can spend 280 dollars on a G3, and use it with the games I have already, as well as the newer ones, or I can spend 300 dollars on a new console...and play one or two games off of it....Hmmmmm." (not that you need a G3...the G2's graphics are not low quality, either...and you can find The G2 Pro's for 120dollars). Now I'm sure that the PS2 will play FFX better than a PC....but I don't really care about quality......I just wan't to experience the game. I wouldn't care if the FMV's stutter a little, or if the graphics look a little fuzzy or jerky. But I just plain refuse to buy a console just to play that one game. I rather gamble with a future emulator or a port. Nothing worst than buying something expensive, then finding out that you had the ability to play it already, if you only waited.
Someone mentioned emulating F1 2001 Racing on ePSXe?.....isn't that a computer port to the Console? The game is 14 dollars on the PC.
And no, you don't need patches with a console game.....you have to live with the faulty AI, with no chance of it ever, being improved. And no you don't have to worry about booting a Console, you just have to live with the extra loading time during the gameplay (X-box excluded).
Cost of Computer games....wait a while, they always go down....BG2 is now 39.99, it was 54.99, for a very long time....wait a few more months, it will go down even more. This little fact happens to all PC games. Granted some faster than others.....I'm sure Return to Wolfenstein, and Max Pain, will be in the 50's for at least 8 months, maybe more. It depends on the Hype; Max Pain has gotten a lot of that (as well as being ported to the console...and No One Lives Forever....that too is being ported). Wolfenstein's is questionable....Civ3 may be another one that says, up there.
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I have played FF8 in PC, and I think the graphics weren't that good as on the Playstation. Still I wanted to play the game, even if the story wasn't so good. I still play the old Nintendo Final Fantasies. They have the worst graphics of all the FF games, and I am still hooked on the games. My laptop is capable of playing Playstation games and N64 games with good graphics. I wouldn't mind FFX to be done with not so great graphics.
So someone did want FFX to be ported to PC with sacrifice in quality. Without the graphics, I personally thinks that FFX is just about the same as FFVIII, or worse. Did anyone here actually likes FFVIII anyway, one of the worst FF games in history?
The old Nintendo graphics may look ugly at present, but when it's first released, the graphic is one of the best for the NES console. And about the PC issue, if you already have one, will you buy another PC? Don't you think that the next logical step, after having a good enough PC, is to buy a console instead of waiting for a PC port of FFX then goes out to buy or upgrade a new computer, which costs will rougly be just the same (or more) anyway compared with buying a new PS2 console? I also have a computer, and that's why I buy a PS2 (in fact I have 2 now), because it just a new logical thing to do. If you don't have a computer right now, I understand your point. But if you already have one, why should you want to buy another PC?
And how did you know that most people who are playing FF series are college students anyway? FF series had been around for a decade or so, so a lot of people who are in college 10 years ago AND plays FF games will be working by now.....just my assumption.
Nevertheless, buying a PS2 is pretty worthwhile if you are really a FF series fans because you could be damn sure that SquareSoft will release the game for that platform.
: 96 inch HDTV + 5.1Dolby Surround + Geforce 3 /w TV out + SB Live! 5.1 /w stero/mono out + DVD-ROM drive + perfect PS2 emu and your set for life too bad there's no such thing as a "perfect" emu or even a ps2 emu for that matter
Well, this option is good too, but as a FF fan, can you wait a very long time for this scenario to happen. Maybe it will be 10 years....
We all know that FF11 is going to be online, it's going to cost a monthly fee, and as far as we know, it has no single player capabilities. If I was someone important inside Square's marketing, my goal would be to get as many people who have an online connection, to buy my game. I can't think of a better way of getting the boxes to sell, than to package it with FF10...
Why should they packaged FFXI with FFX? The PC version will not be released along with the PS2 version anyway, and also the lucky Japanese will get to play them first. Including FFX with FFXI will only add up to the cost, and it will not entice the buyers to buy a subscription service from SquareSoft anyway.
Number one reason....They are forcing me to....And I refuse to be forced to do anything.
If you don't want to buy a console, you have the right to do so. But just remember that SquareSoft (or any companies for the matter) also reserved the right to select whatever platform(s) they want to release their games to (profit factor come to mind). And I don't think playing with console symbolize laziness. For me, it symbolize convienience. Boot the console, insert DVD and the game starts. You are right about buying a console just for one game is a waste of money, but I certainly don't buy a console just for that reason. I have pointed out that I have enjoyed a lot of PS2 games, so buying a PS2 (or 2 in my case) is not a waste. So if you want your view of not being forced to buy a console just for a game being respected, you should also respect SquareSoft decision of not making FFX port to the PC. Why bother writing snail-letters, e-mail or stuff, to press them to make a port? If you really wants to play the game, you should have place more efforts, like saving up for a PS2 than wasting time writing letters, petitions or whatever to Square, because more often than not, it will not succeed. Or maybe you have the patience of waiting 3+ years for decent emulators? At that time, probably FFXII will already come out, and while the the PS2 owners like me is kicking monsters' butt, the ones who are waiting for FFX to be played on emu may still did not get it.
Someone mentioned emulating F1 2001 Racing on ePSXe?.....isn't that a computer port to the Console? The game is 14 dollars on the PC.
A tyre is supposed to be round, not polygon. A computer port is available, but the graphic is ridiculous I don't even want to play PC version if I can get my hands on a PS2. Also, the cost of console games can also decrease. Now you can buy FFVII, FFVIII at a lesser price then what it was when they are first released.
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The anonymous bug now hits me :P
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Mmhhh? You're not a Squaresoft employee, are you, Chibimaruko?
(j/k)
Chibi: *Sigh* I hope I'm not rude at what I say, but you seem to be someone who comforms very easily. If you got the money to buy a PS2 good for you.
When you said that why buy another PC instead of a console. Here is my answer:
I have a Notebook computer, a 386 PC, and soon a 200 Mhz PC.
Plus my brother's PC. And even if I have 4 computers at the moment, I would want to buy another one instead of a console. I don't know what you do with your PC, but I use my PCs to the fullest capacity. I mean, I use my brother's PC for CD burning (I don't use his PC much, simply because it's his). My old 386 PC, I use it to experiment with older OSs and mess with the hardware. The 200 Mhz PC, I use it to test viruses, trojans, and many other programs that are capable of messing your computer (I called this PC "GroundZero"). My laptop is the one that does a lot of work. I use it to rip DVDs, convert media files, Internet, games, programming, word processing, etc. I need another computer that would do heavy duty stuff, to do upgrades on it, and that would work as a server. I'm planning on getting DSL soon (when I get a decent job), and I want to make my own network. The more PCs the merrier. *Note: DSL is a real reason to save money.
Whew, that was a long answer.
A PS2, like I said, would be a waste if I bought it, because I wouldn't buy any more games for it nor rent. A really bad investment. On the other hand, a PC would be a great investment because of its limitless capabilities.
About the college students thing. Most of my friends I grew up with are goind to college. Even though I started playing FF at a late age, my friends played it when FF2 was released. I assume that a lot of people around my age (GenXers) are still going to college, and that the long time followers of FF are these kind of people. As for the people that were in college 10 years ago, I bet you that a lot of them don't play video games anymore. One thing I should have said, though, is that it was just an assumption. There is not proof that this is true.
About Squaresoft reserving their right to select the console. It is their right, I know, but it's not the first time they do PC games. What I mean is, they released FFVII and FFVIII for PC. Now we're hooked. They had a contract with Nintendo, and now they don't. They have a contract with Sony right now, but what about the PC. FFVII and FFVIII were in demand, so they did PC versions. FFX is in demand, why can't they do a PC version. The thing here is not about rights, it's about demand, from the PC user community.
Let me ask you something. What is your age? Do you live with your parents? How do you earn your money? Do you go to school? What are you studying?
Please respond to these questions.
And my apologies if these comments offend you.
-vvalentine
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Looks like Square is really not releasing FFX for PC. Sigh..
vvalentine: Roomate? She? You a guy or a girl?
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I am male.
Yes, Joey, I live with a woman, but she is like a sister to me. Although, I did see her naked once, heh heh.
-vvalentine
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Wow!!! Isn't that cool!!! What are your friend's/family's reactions???
Uh oh. I'm getting off-topic. Better stop doing that before it blows off the top of someone.
Other than spam mail and petitions, let's try to concentrate on how to get Square to release it for PC.
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Hmm... Personal option: cHiBiMaRuKo = Pesimist.
Do you know how many people bought 3D acclerators for FF7 or even Half-life? Too many.
As for the memory cards, I was saying that so people would remember to add it into their money calculations.
Actually, I HAVE played a lot of PS2 games. And you know what? The only 3 games I even consider GOOD (besides FFX) is Metal Gear Solid 2, Onimusha, Zone of Enders, and Devil May Cry. (Respectivly.) Each as a different style to them, and all of them have appealing storylines. (so far FFX is blowing them out of the water, both in graphics & in story, but MGS2 is REALLY close...)
VV is also totally right. I have about 12 computers in my house, but I only have two. (The one I'm posting with and a 200mHz system used for old DOS games, and when I get a bigger HD, FF7.) My system is in seperate need of upgrading (Celeron 300A OC to 450) but I currenly can't afford it. However, if Squaresoft annouced the non-doluted release of FFX PC, I would spend every nickel I could spare to get my system to at least the minimum required specs in preperation. My system, live VV's and Fice's and almost everyone else's systems, is super-multifunctional. I play games, do writing, work on programming (need to get back to that...), and develop 3D graphics, all on the same system.
As much as I would LOVE to buy a PS2 and FFX, I know I must upgrade my computer first, because it would allow me to do so much more than a PS2 would.
And AFAICT... almost everyone here but you, cHiBiMaRuKo, agrees with me.
Sephiroth 3D
"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
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Well, for starters. I'm 23 now and a graduate of Computer Engineering from UPM (anyone from Malaysia knows this uni). And I have a decent paying job with IBM, and I hope that info is good enough. And for now I live alone. Where? I think we need not to go there...
And I am not a SquareSoft employee whatsoever.
My computer (at home) is decently good enough; 900Mhz Duron, 512MB SDRAM , GeForce2 GTS, Aureal MX300, 40GB HDD and a Sony 16x DVD-ROM drive, with Win2k OS. I use them for a few things, such as typing reports, preparing presentation, and playing Serious Sam (the only PC game I play for now) online. And I have TMNet Streamyx too, which provide DSL service. When I'm not at work, I play console games (PS2 come to mind) because PC still don't have games worth playing (it may change though when Serious Sam: The Second Encounter get to my fave dealers).
Sephiroth says that alot of people buys 3D accelerators for Half-Life and FF7. How many people? 1 million? 2? These 2 numbers are NOT enough in the eyes of companies! And even that Croteam (Serious Sam developer) recommended GF3 as the best card for The Second Encounter, I will not buy one because I know my GF2 can still serve me well. And from this people, how many will actually buy FFX PC when they comes out.? Not very many people don't you think? Why Square should do FFX if R.O.I will be not good. FFVII and FFVIII sells well, but the R.O.I. is not good enough. If they do have good R.O.I. from these 2 titles, we will already have FFIX PC and also that we will also hear persistent rumors of FFX PC. Just because they have released FFVII and FFVIII for the PC, it doesn't mean that SquareSoft SHOULD release future titles for PC too. The demand is there, but they are not good enough for profits. And a lot of people simply missed this fact.
And no one knows whether the majority of FF players are college students or not, unless of course you can quote a reliable source. Just because your college have lots of FF fans, it doesn't mean that the whole world have the same scenario.
Sephiroth say again that FFX is one of the best games in PS2. I agree, but try to compare them with other earlier FF games, and not with other games from other genres. FFX, for me is just between FFIX and FFVIII in terms of overall quality. Still, FFX is the best RPG for PS2 though, for the time being.
Everyone may not agree with me, but I know SquareSoft and Sony are on my side :D They don't have any reason at all for releasing FFX PC; not profitable and technicaly more difficult to do as they have to cater to a vast array of computer configurations. All of you must have remember the GeForce problem with FFVIII and Riva TNT problem with FFVII. If anyone instead wanted to do a petition so FFX will be ported to GameCube or X-Box, I will support that and I will sign it (even that I don't have them). But not PC, because it's proven that doing that will not do anything good for Square anyway. The PC-only users may be pissed off with SquareSoft's actions, but SquareSoft knows that they don't have to worry about these people makiing a dent to ther profits as PS2 userbase is good enough for them. If you don't want to buy a console for whatever reason, that's OK, but don't come crying to Square asking them to do a PC port because it's not nice.
R.O.I. = Returns of Investment.
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I agree with you that Serious Sam rox!
Isnt SE out today (11th)?
I shall be buying it when i get my computer up and running again.
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But not PC, because it's proven that doing that will not do anything good for Square anyway. The PC-only users may be pissed off with SquareSoft's actions, but SquareSoft knows that they don't have to worry about these people makiing a dent to ther profits as PS2 userbase is good enough for them. If you don't want to buy a console for whatever reason, that's OK, but don't come crying to Square asking them to do a PC port because it's not nice.
It's proven that's not good? If you're going to say things like that and demand provable studies from other people, you should supply them too.
A port to another system is not anywhere near as expensive as doing a full game. You don't have art, music, storyline ... in fact, all you have to do is pay programmers to write an engine. And the PC is the cheapest platform of all to port to, simply because there's so much stuff you *don't* have to worry about. I seriously, seriously doubt Square would make a loss on a PC port - personally, I think they're holding off on one for the moment because Sony wants the PS2 to succeed. Also because they can make more money from console games, because for some reason console games cost more. (Actually, I believe the reason is "we can rip off console gamers without them complaining too much").
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(Since this is my first post in this topic, I've gotta reply to some older posts, too)
vvalentine: It's fine to hear (or read) that you live with someone female ... but IMO, you should have kept that "I did see her naked once"-thingy private ... you should have known what Joey would say to that ... (he just saw a female body on those 'bits and bytes'-pics :D )
(Ok, I'm gettin' REALLYoff-topic now, but...)
Hey, if I were you, I think I would have started something more than just taking once a look at her (not what you're thinkin' of, Joey) ... I just mean ... ah forget 'bout it ...
Joey: Whohoo ! I wonder you recognized that you're gettin' off-topic
Since I haven't been able to read all the topics, I just give my comment here:
As for me, I just HOPE that Square will release FFX PC - I know that the chances probably aren't too big, but ... there's just a bit hope in my heart. Of course, Square primairly wants to sell their games for PS2, but if it would be too expensive, they wouldn't have released FF8 PC, or am I wrong?
And I don't wanna buy myself a PS2, just b'cause of FFX and following FF games ... Why? Well:
It's expensive - ok not as expesnive as a PC, but the real only thing you can do with a PS2 is playing - DVD playing qualities aren't very good with PS2.
And I, as a student, don't have enough money to buy it. And I think many of other ppl don't have, too ...
- Alhexx
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Whoa!!! What a discussion. Chibimaruko, you are good contender. I like these kinds of discussions.
Alhexx: I said that to Joey to see what he was going to say.
Joey: She is like a friend of the family, and like a sister to me.
Chibi: So you are older than me, and graduated from University. You have a decent paying job. If I was in your situation I would buy a Playstation 2, but I'm not. As for the thing about college students being FF fans, I told you it was an assumption. Although there are huge number of college students who play FF.
FFIX was not released in the PC because it didn't do too well on Playstation. FFX is doing great, so far I have not seen a store that has FFX right now (sold out).
Porting a game to the PC, like fice said, shouldn't be too difficult. A group of Squaresoft programmers ported FFVII to the PC. After that, since it went well, they decided to do FFVIII. An emulator is not so big in size, it is complex, but not big. If an emulator can be done, porting FFX to PC should not be hard.
-vvalentine
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Chibimaruko: You're really smart. I'm in 4IT now. Will that lead me to your path? Are you a girl?
vvalentine: I'm matured enough to know those. Don't hold back!!! :)
FFX on PC issue: Square might release a version of FFX which is not taxing. FF8 was too taxing, and Square received lots of complaints, which is why it didin't dare to release FF9 to PC. Let's hope that Square will take this gamble and release FFX for PC.
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Um, Joey, thanks for sharing your account with me. For starters, FFX isn't compatible even with Pentium 4 2GhZ because it is farrr too taxing. Even our server couldn't debug it properly. Maybe it won't be released, but I'll try to level down the code to what your Celeron will handle.
Bye.
~ Nathan
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Oh my GOD, here we go again...
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Hey, 2 users sharing 1 account? I that's just another reason why Joey isn't a mod, right? :D
- Alhexx
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Maybe i'm a little slow on the uptake, but where the 'title according to your number of posts' should be, Joey has the word 'Moron'. Nice touch, somebody.
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I would prefer if Qhimm decrees Joey to be known as "Village Idiot" from now on :P
[edited] 1 2002-01-12 17:42
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It's proven that's not good? If you're going to say things like that and demand provable studies from other people, you should supply them too.
I read about the R.O.I. thing some time ago at FF Impulse http://www.ffimpulse.com/. I don't know whether they quote from a reliable source, but it seems to be logical. Someone (vvalentine) says that FFIX PC aren't ported to PC because it doesn't sell too well. But didn't FFonline had made a report that FFIX is the best selling FF ever for PSX? More than 2 million copies in Japan alone. So why they didn't port to PC? What else if not because of the R.O.I. thing? Which company don't want profits? SquareSoft will make a port to PC if they are profitable. If not, they will not do that. And come to think about that, if FFIX does really don't sell well AND porting to PC is that cheap anyway, they will already makes FFIX PC to cover the losses they have with PSX version. Yes, it's not that hard to port to PC IF everyone is using software rendering! Hah! Software rendering with FFX? Don't really want to think about it. Porting to PC, while maintaing the quality the PS2 version have is hard (I comes from programming background too), because mainly of the different graphic cards, soundcards etc. I knows that everyone here know that Radeon, GeForce and Kyro and SiS do the same things in different ways. So are with Live!, Audigy, Vortex and the Turtle Beach audio chipset.This mean making a common engine without sacrificing quality is impossible.
To the anonymous bug victim: Find me online in Serious Sam multiplayer servers for the player with the nick "The Deathbringer". Second Encounter will be my upmost priority this month, and with 20 US dollars, I will definitely buy it. The demo is fun :)
Remind me anything if I forget to address anything.
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well, joey. moron is somewhat close to mod. Maybe if you hit your head enough youll think your a mod. :D
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They all work in different ways? Well, that's strange; obviously when Quake3 works with any OpenGL card, it's just my imagination. That's what OpenGL and DirectX are for: all the cards conform to their specs, so you don't have to worry about many differences, if any.
They probably didn't port FF9 because the graphics sucked compared to all the PC games at the time. So if they had, it'd look pretty lame compared to all the made-straight-for-PC games.
FF10, OTOH, has good/great graphics, so they *can* port it to PC without it looking crap.
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yea but it would be onlike lets see: 17,000 meg/800=22 cds. that's gonna cost an arm and a leg. maybe literaly. so they are gonna have to mash alotta stuff to lower quality. maybe i did this wrong maybe it's 9,000/800=12 cds. but in either case thats too many.
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No, they'd put it on DVD. DVD drives are cheap nowadays so it's not too unreasonable. Put it this way: You *can't* buy a PC nowadays without one.
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but what about people like me who DON'T have one? instead of it costing money for just the FFXPC i'd have to go pickup a DVD-ROM drive. take out my current "plain" drive, not my burner install the dvd-rom one. install the drivers remove the older cd drive's ones and then install FFC-PC that's take me a good half hour to do all f the hardware stuff properly. and it'd cost me a good $250.
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A reasonable price for a DVD drive nowadays would be £50 (yes, I've seen them for that much) ... that's about $75 or so, I think. Where on earth did you get the $250 from?! Not a lot considering you're going to need one anyway in the next year or two - they are phasing out CD's, you know.
And installing a DVD drive should take around 5-10 mins at most. No drivers required. Windows supports it straight out of the box, just like a CD drive...
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you can get a 16x dvd drive kit wires and all for around 49USD
installation Steps:
1) Take out old CD Drive
2) Insert dvd drive in the space that is no longer occupied and plug in the corresponding wires.
3) Turn on computer and install any necessary drivers off of the included CD
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If I might add... my current drive is a CD/DVD/CD-RW combo...that was a year ago... and it cost $150. A DVD alone has gotta be less.
Oh, and FF8 was a fine game... not Square's best, mind you, but Square nonetheless... so I wouldn't recommend bashing it.
And, there's always the option I'm taking. Clear your schedule for a long weekend (ie: President's Day) buy a memcard, and rent a PS2 and FFX. Then go hardcore, playing nonstop until you beat it. Then return the PS2 and FFX, and save your memcard till Square's next release, or a PS2 emu comes along.
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You know, this Console vs. PC discussion is really a waste of time. Console games are all based about action and try to focus majoirty of the games around two player mode. PC games are all based around single player mode, and are disigned more around strategy, than anything else.
For example, racing games on a console are all about Non realistic physics and Heart pumping action. Majority of the Racing games found on a PC are focus around simulation driving (Takes more CPU power to make a simulation). It's kinda like compairing Chess with Football. It's obvious that cHiBiMaRuKo likes Football more than Chess....and considered Chess boring as hell, methodically speaking.
I don't really care if Square makes money or not.....I just want to spend less than 50 dollars to play their game, and the easiest way that will happen is if they or someone makes a port. Let's put it this way.....if someone makes a port (like ePSXe), I'm going to blockbusters and going to rent FFX for a day, (cause that's all I need it for....about a day) If Square takes the time to port it...They'll get my money.
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and your money is like $80? as to the $10,000+ rendering program they spent? great you just paid for .008% of the costs to creat the MODELS see how this is going?
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They all work in different ways? Well, that's strange; obviously when Quake3 works with any OpenGL card, it's just my imagination. That's what OpenGL and DirectX are for: all the cards conform to their specs, so you don't have to worry about many differences, if any.
Yeah, that's why you will get different peformance between those 2 cards. It's because they are different.
You know, this Console vs. PC discussion is really a waste of time.
I think this discusiion is not about PC vs. console. It much more on whether SquareSoft should port FFX to PC or not.
FFX International will come out later this month (the 2-disc version) and still no words whether they will port to PC or not. I guess they didn't want to.....
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:x :cry: :cry:MORON!!!
WHY????
*DELETE POST JUST FOR MY ACCOUNT??? THIS IS A MAJOR INSULT!!!*
So what if I share my account with my friends? Sometimes (most of the time) they will pose as me and post stupid things here. So what? Why am I called a moron? I'm really pissed off with you guys. I'm not visiting this board anymore. So there!!!!!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x
WHAT IF I'M CHANGING MY PASSWORD AND NOT POSTING ANY STUPID POSTS, WILL YOU GUYS GIVE ME A CHANCE?
[edited] 39 2002-01-13 07:31
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joey it's proabaly a joke. don't leave you do have good ideas and start a lot of conversations. if your friends want post they need to register then we can tell if it's you being stupid or them. :) i hope everyone feels this way.
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Actually, I cried just now. I really did. I was just changing my password and I saw these. My friends who were beside me were also very shocked. They were very angry at Qhimm. Well, like what I said in many earlier posts, I've changed. As you have noticed, the most recent posts are not as stupid as the previous ones. Are the admins blind? Well, can't blame them. Many people in this world can't handle change. The reason why I posted spam was because I got bad test results, and so I did that. Now, I'm out of that. In previous years also, I was naive and I thought I know everything so I posted. But now, I'm a diffrent person and I've thrashed my life at school(A couple of girls hate me because they thought that I kicked up their friends skirt on purpose which I accidently did) and home(my dad even threatened to leave the house when I pissed him off)
My dad forgave me and the girls, of course did not gave me even a tiny chance. I'm a real loser, right?
Now, it seems that I've thrashed my life in this board too. Looks like I'm not sharing my account with anyone else and my friends will NOT be posting here anymore. Nathan really works for Square, so he can't post here using his own account in case someone tells his boss. I share my account with another two, Larry and Wei-Xiang, meaning that there is 4 people using Joey. The other two, well, their dad(they are brothers) forbids them to use the messageboard because of the previous posts. So, they come to my house to post messages here. They saw what happened to my account as I phoned them and they said sorry and promised not to use my account.
Just now, Nathan and Elise was by my side when I burst into tears as I really didin't imagine that I was such a gigantic loser. This is most probally my last post, I've removed it from the favourites menu.
I loved this board a lot and of course, it pains me a lot when I see the moron and the delete button on my posts. Well, I'll be blocking emails from everyone from this board next as I'm really broken-hearted and sad, reminding me of all of my failures. Joke? I don't think so.
Right now, this is most probally what everyone think:
YAHOO!!! That SOAB Joey is finally leaving this board!!!!! Let's uncork the champange and throw a party!!!!
If they can do this to me, that's most probally what is in their minds.
Other posters, like Alhexx, Saint and Darkness also post almost the same content. But, why am I being treated like this?
Maybe I'll use the computer less. Maybe if they remove all those nasty things that follow up with my posts, maybe I'll be back. Maybe....maybe.....
Mod? Admin? Yes, I confess that I'd like to be those last year or two. But no longer. I've learned my mistakes, I've seen myself, and decided that I'm a nobody, a jerk and a loser.
Maybe, when I was young, I was ridiclued by my classmates and I did all kinds of stupid things to get their attention. Maybe, I'm doing it here too.
I was sucidal as no one would forgive for what I did. I need pysicatric treatment. But I didin't. Maybe you all might finally understand why am I like that. Elise and Nathan left about half an hour ago, as I'm OK. About 2 years ago, I lost my best friend. He suddenly hate me. I didin't know why because I always thought I was perfect.
Why must this happen only to me? Why must I be the scapegoat for the other bad posters here? Why? I always get the blame for the things that I didin't do, why?
Sometimes that I just wish that I was in somewhere else, where there are nicer people, rather that being imprisoned in this hell in disguise, in this filthy and diseased body, in this cruel world. I don't belong here.
I thought that Qhimm was nice, but now I know that I was wrong.
Lastly, I'd like to say sorry If I made anyone mad, especially to Qhimm for thrashing this message board. I've decided to die.
I won't post here anymore. Goodbye.
Eventually, or right after this post, someone will post something like "finally, that f***er is out forever, good!!!" or something like that.
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Well, Joey, it's heart-breakin' to see what this word 'Moron' has done with you, but is this a reason to post a novell in here ?
- Alhexx
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Uhm, I think Qhimm really did mean the temp rank as a joke.
I'll remove the temp rank for you but you have to behave yourself from now on.
As for the delete button appearing on your posts, it's the same for everyone else. All users see a delete button on their posts to make it more convenient for them to delete their own posts. Moderators and admins see them on every post. That's just to make this clear.
Joey, you have to also understand that even if you friends needed an account to post from, they could have just registered an account. Even if they didn't want to register they could have just posted anonymously.
That's all I have to say. At least for this moment.
EDIT (There is a user Joey2 and I hope it isn't you Joey.)
[edited] 1 2002-01-13 10:15
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I don't want to dissapoint Joey, so: finally, that f***er is out forever, good!!!
... I don't know... my heart just wasn't in it... :(
Joey, we all make fun of you, I don't deny that. In fact, I personally have gotten on that band-wagon a few times myself, both in-front-of and behind your back, but I'm sorry.
Your "reputation" on this board may or may not have been justly aquired. But by allowing your friends access to your account (jumping on yet another bandwagon), you ARE leaving yourself open to attacks, such as the temporary "Moron" rank and all the little jabs we tend to make at you. You have an account, and a PERSONAL password for a reason: so we can only know you. If we suddenly have 4 people posting as Joey, we have to naturally assume they're all really you, and not your father's brother's best friend's second-cousin's former roommate posting. That is where the confusion comes in and that's why we may have unjustly mis-labeled you.
Even though your intentions to help your friends by letting them post with your account are admirable, they can also post from their own accounts, using your computer.
You might of noticed by now that so far, no one has said anything you've expected. (And mean it.) Mostly, we are expressing our concerns for your feelings.
Halfway through your post, I started to tear up, and I was thinking: If this is truly his last post, we should honor him or something. Something incredibilly nice and nobel. Believe it or not, we are human, and we do have feelings. We aren't heartless enough to say "Thank GOD that stupid bastard of a Joey is gone!" and mean it. (Well, I'm not. There might be someone who is.) You are a part of this messageboard. As much as Qhimm, Saint, Alhexx or even myself.
We will hold nothing against you if you still choose to leave, but do not take such uncompassionate thoughts of us as you go. You will be missed by all of us. :cry:
Sephiroth 3D
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In light of recent events, Joe: get over yourself man, who cares why do we want to know about your cr*ppy live and strange problems.
M0T would like to thank Qhimm and Jari for speaking their minds first and therefore giving me the courage to change this post :)
[edited] 122 2002-01-13 21:23
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Here what you do: Ask yourself, is FFX coming out for the PC? If you think yes, it is, if you think no, it's not. It's a psyche thing. If we all stood outside a Square, Inc. building with pure thoughts and puppy dog eyes, I think we would invoke something in the CEO's hearts.
There are many posts like this, especially at PlayOnline (FYI Official forums). No one can predict Square, FFVII had the "Exclusively for Playstation" imprinted but look what happenned. The FFIXPC story was because FFVIIIPC didn't sell too good as we all know. Square has enough money (They would have had more if they didn't waste it on putting 'u' 's in Armor in the UKPAL version).
In the nd, think happy thoughts. And Joey, cheer up, have a drink or something.
-Dan
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I'm painfully aware that I absolutely shouldn't get into this... However... temptation... too great...
On 2002-01-13 04:19, Joey wrote:
Actually, I cried just now. I really did.
Too bad. Life's a b*tch and then you die. Big deal.
My friends who were beside me were also very shocked. They were very angry at Qhimm.
How are the feelings your friends have towards Qhimm related to this matter?
Well, like what I said in many earlier posts, I've changed.
Oh? It would be even better if you would actually change, and not just talk about it. Strangely I haven't noticed any major difference between your old and new posts.
As you have noticed, the most recent posts are not as stupid as the previous ones. Are the admins blind? Well, can't blame them.
Actually, no, I haven't noticed that. But it might be because mods are probably just as blind as admins, as _you_ have noticed.
The reason why I posted spam was because I got bad test results, and so I did that.
So, there should be different rules for Joey who didn't too well in exams. Would you mind explaining me why?
Now, I'm out of that.
Seeing is believing, and I haven't seen nothing yet.
But now, I'm a diffrent person and I've thrashed my life at school(A couple of girls hate me because they thought that I kicked up their friends skirt on purpose which I accidently did) and home(my dad even threatened to leave the house when I pissed him off)
My dad forgave me and the girls, of course did not gave me even a tiny chance. I'm a real loser, right?
This is related to this messageboard exactly how?
Nathan really works for Square, so he can't post here using his own account in case someone tells his boss.
ROFLMAO! How stupid do you think we are? Really.
I share my account with another two, Larry and Wei-Xiang, meaning that there is 4 people using Joey. The other two, well, their dad(they are brothers) forbids them to use the messageboard because of the previous posts. So, they come to my house to post messages here.
WTF?! They can't get their own accounts because of... ? You are aware that some boards would ban you just for letting other people use your account?
Other posters, like Alhexx, Saint and Darkness also post almost the same content. But, why am I being treated like this?
Says you. Somehow I doubt that you should be the judge of the content of your own posts. And by 'you' I mean everyone who posts, including me. It's not always easy to see your own flaws, but it's really easy to see flaws, real or imagined, in other people.
I was sucidal as no one would forgive for what I did. I need pysicatric treatment. But I didin't. Maybe you all might finally understand why am I like that. Elise and Nathan left about half an hour ago, as I'm OK. About 2 years ago, I lost my best friend. He suddenly hate me. I didin't know why because I always thought I was perfect.
Trying to put us on guilt trip, are you? Too bad it's not working, at least for me.
Why must this happen only to me? Why must I be the scapegoat for the other bad posters here? Why? I always get the blame for the things that I didin't do, why?
Why is the world round, oh why?! Actually, I think that you don't get blamed enough for your own stunts.
Sometimes that I just wish that I was in somewhere else, where there are nicer people, rather that being imprisoned in this hell in disguise, in this filthy and diseased body, in this cruel world. I don't belong here.
Yes yes, go write another Hamlet, God knows that you at least have enough angst to do that. Or is it rather acting skills? You know what... I'm not really buying into this act of yours.
I thought that Qhimm was nice, but now I know that I was wrong.
How much nicer do you think he could have been? He has tolerated you for... what, two years? I can't think of any other person that would have been able to put up with you that long. Actually I think that the dude is too nice for his own good.
Summa summarum: Grow up.This is not your personal daycare center.
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As I've said before, I'm really satisfied with my choice of moderators. Way too many people are getting "emotional" at this, I'm glad at least Jari and some of the senior members can see things for what they really are.
In case you've forgotten, I decide who lives or dies. It is most certainly my right as owner of the board. And regardless of what Joey might think at the moment (not that I really care right now), I've always exercised that power fairly.
My views on this.
MORON!!! WHY????
No sense in hiding the truth. And the truth is you've been behaving like one.
DELETE POST JUST FOR MY ACCOUNT??? THIS IS A MAJOR INSULT!!!
As SaiNt explained, everyone has this button since people complained it was too much work to delete posts. A bit egocentrical of you to think everything's all about yourself.
So what if I share my account with my friends? Sometimes (most of the time) they will pose as me and post stupid things here. So what? Why am I called a moron?
Two case scenario: 1) You share your accound with stupid friends and still expect credibility from us, which makes you a moron. 2) You made up yet another story about friends borrowing your account to explain your own stupid actions, which also makes you a moron. Catch my drift?
I'm really pissed off with you guys. I'm not visiting this board anymore. So there!!!!!!!
I see. And this would be a punishment for whom?
WHAT IF I'M CHANGING MY PASSWORD AND NOT POSTING ANY STUPID POSTS, WILL YOU GUYS GIVE ME A CHANCE?
As suggested in the previous note, you seem to need this board a hell of a lot more than it needs you. I don't care what anyone else here says, having someone continuously posting stupid sh*t does not improve the board in any way.
Actually, I cried just now. I really did. I was just changing my password and I saw these.
I can't even begin to tell you how sad that is. And I don't mean it in the emotional way.
My friends who were beside me were also very shocked. They were very angry at Qhimm.
Why would I care about that? You've continuously abused your membership of this board since you arrived. It's not like it's unwarranted.
Well, like what I said in many earlier posts, I've changed. As you have noticed, the most recent posts are not as stupid as the previous ones. Are the admins blind?
No you haven't. The only thing that's changed is that you don't claim to work at Square anymore.
Well, can't blame them. Many people in this world can't handle change. The reason why I posted spam was because I got bad test results, and so I did that. Now, I'm out of that. In previous years also, I was naive and I thought I know everything so I posted.
Oh my, that's enough manure to sustain a medium-sized farm for a whole year.
But now, I'm a diffrent person and I've thrashed my life at school(A couple of girls hate me because they thought that I kicked up their friends skirt on purpose which I accidently did) and home(my dad even threatened to leave the house when I pissed him off)
My dad forgave me and the girls, of course did not gave me even a tiny chance. I'm a real loser, right?
In here you are a loser, by your own hand. In real life I have no idea, because quite frankly I don't believe a word of what you're saying. It may or may not be true, but it doesn't excuse any behaviour in here. Does this board's title say "support group for personal problems"? I thought not.
Now, it seems that I've thrashed my life in this board too. Looks like I'm not sharing my account with anyone else and my friends will NOT be posting here anymore.
Yay?
Nathan really works for Square, so he can't post here using his own account in case someone tells his boss. I share my account with another two, Larry and Wei-Xiang, meaning that there is 4 people using Joey. The other two, well, their dad(they are brothers) forbids them to use the messageboard because of the previous posts. So, they come to my house to post messages here. They saw what happened to my account as I phoned them and they said sorry and promised not to use my account.
As Jari said, just how stupid do you think we are? Or rather, is your perception of reality vastly different from ours? You should be happy I didn't ban your ass long ago.
Just now, Nathan and Elise was by my side when I burst into tears as I really didin't imagine that I was such a gigantic loser. This is most probally my last post, I've removed it from the favourites menu.
I have no objections.
I loved this board a lot and of course, it pains me a lot when I see the moron and the delete button on my posts. Well, I'll be blocking emails from everyone from this board next as I'm really broken-hearted and sad, reminding me of all of my failures. Joke? I don't think so.
Get a life. Preferably as far away from this board as possible.
Right now, this is most probally what everyone think:
YAHOO!!! That SOAB Joey is finally leaving this board!!!!! Let's uncork the champange and throw a party!!!!
If they can do this to me, that's most probally what is in their minds.
Well, not really. More like "there's something very wrong with that boy". But no, I won't be sorry to see you go.
Other posters, like Alhexx, Saint and Darkness also post almost the same content. But, why am I being treated like this?
Uh-huh. What was the name of that reality you lived in again? I take actions against those who've done enough to annoy me, and trolls annoy me. Which reminds me, Darkness has been collecting a lot of those points lately...
Maybe I'll use the computer less. Maybe if they remove all those nasty things that follow up with my posts, maybe I'll be back. Maybe....maybe.....
What did I tell you? You're hopelessly dependant on this board! You've left before and returned, why should this time be any different? For your own sake, find a purpose in your life before thinking about going back.
Mod? Admin? Yes, I confess that I'd like to be those last year or two. But no longer. I've learned my mistakes, I've seen myself, and decided that I'm a nobody, a jerk and a loser.
You do realize that mods & admins needs lots of qualities? So far, you lack every single one of them. For example, responsibility, honesty, sense of fair play, and most important, trust by the admin (me). You will never be moderator of this board.
Maybe, when I was young, I was ridiclued by my classmates and I did all kinds of stupid things to get their attention. Maybe, I'm doing it here too.
I'm glad you've noticed it yourself. The first step of cure is realizing the problem.
I was sucidal as no one would forgive for what I did. I need pysicatric treatment. But I didin't. Maybe you all might finally understand why am I like that. Elise and Nathan left about half an hour ago, as I'm OK. About 2 years ago, I lost my best friend. He suddenly hate me. I didin't know why because I always thought I was perfect.
I believe the process is 1) redeem yourself, 2) be forgiven. Not the other way around.
Why must this happen only to me? Why must I be the scapegoat for the other bad posters here? Why? I always get the blame for the things that I didin't do, why?
This might be a good time to point out that the bad posters get banned. You've been balancing on that line for quite some time, now. And face it, I've been way too nice in letting you stay this long.
Sometimes that I just wish that I was in somewhere else, where there are nicer people, rather that being imprisoned in this hell in disguise, in this filthy and diseased body, in this cruel world. I don't belong here.
Again, that's not our problem.
I thought that Qhimm was nice, but now I know that I was wrong.
Ask the others if they agree. I've always thought it was a bad idea to talk about yourself in that sense.
Lastly, I'd like to say sorry If I made anyone mad, especially to Qhimm for thrashing this message board. I've decided to die.
Why would you apologize to a horrible person like me? At least be consistent.
I won't post here anymore. Goodbye.
Eventually, or right after this post, someone will post something like "finally, that f***er is out forever, good!!!" or something like that.
Bye bye, we know you'll be back soon!
And if I'm wrong, I win anyway. I've run out of patience for Joey.
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LOL :lol: Brilliant..
I'm just seriously puuzled that you can become so upset over a messageboard Joey, I mean Jesus! get a grip.
And Qhimm's correct, you as well as everyone else knows you'll be back.
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im sorry to see you go joey. you are a large part of this board, and things will be different without you.
qhimm and others: i wouldve preferred it had you told my privately, but I'll take that as a warning. I've been making fewer and fewer posts by the day, and i think im reaching an equalibrium. But, as Jari says, I cannot see my flaws, and one relies on others for assistance correcting them. I cannot tell what I am doing wrong, nor will I ever, if you people do not point things out.
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um does this little section bother anyone else?
Lastly, I'd like to say sorry If I made anyone mad, especially to Qhimm for thrashing this message board. I've decided to die.
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Thank God for Jari and Qhimm, I would have made a post like that but thought I might have been called heartless or something. But I agree with Jari, the entire post seemed to be seeking attention and trying to lay on the guilt trip.
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Well... Now that it's not 3am, and I'm actually awake, I'll post my follow up to Joey's post.
First of all, a lot of what I said, I meant. We have to remember that Joey's a human being too, but he must also remember that as the other members of this board, we have limits to how much crap we can take.
On 2002-01-13 15:37, PurpleSmurf wrote:
um does this little section bother anyone else?
Lastly, I'd like to say sorry If I made anyone mad, especially to Qhimm for thrashing this message board. I've decided to die.
Yeah, I was a little concerned about that... But I figure that if Joey was to really kill himself, we'd see "Nathen", "Elise", or his two other friends come onto the board and say something like: "You f*cking sh|ts! Thanks to you, Joey killed himself! God Damn you f*cking ass-rapers!"
I personally think that Qhimm and Jari were a bit too harsh on Joey, although, they've also had to put up with him the longest, so I can see why they'd lash out at him like they did. I'm not condeming what they did, but I won't support it either.
Qhimm: Darkness HAS been getting better... He's not nearly as annoying was he was say, a month ago.
What do you guys think are my flaws? :-? I'd like to know...
Sephiroth 3D
"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
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yea and what are my flaws?
i'm not a "spammer" am i?
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i doubt joey will actually kill himself. and if he does, it would be horrible. I mean, he is pretty nice on the board, and I bet hes a good guy in person.
seph> ummmmmm.......... :D
*Looks at purplesmurf's post count* < sarcasm> no, not at all < /sarcasm>
[edited] 249 2002-01-13 23:13
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wow this is really off topic now
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Guys, are you sure that you want to get into this discussion about flaws?
Remember, it's a public forum, meaning that everyone can see it and _comment_ on it. I can think of couple of reasons why it could very quickly turn into a disaster.
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cause this could be important
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In *theory*, it's always good to find out what other people don't like about you, so you know better what to do when visiting the board in the future.
In *practice* you get a couple of response types:
1) People criticising a spammer/flamer (or somebody *they* think is spamming/flaming)
2) A spammer criticising other people for what they've said about him or her
3) Genuine advice about how to improve the level of comments
The problem is that (1) and (2) are faaaaaaaar more common by the nature of them. Look at the sort of people who get involved in them.
Personal discussions ("You post too much!", "Your posts are worthless!") tend to result in problems like that.
A more effective way of getting the message across without degenerating the whole discussion is to work some kind of "rules" for the board, either formal or informal. To a limited extent we already have this, in the form of Qhimm telling us the sort of things he won't accept on his boards.
We (that is, the mods and admins) *were* discussing making the rules more formal (ie. explicit and enforcable) recently, though nothing's yet come of it. We'll see.
The advantage to this is that it doesn't specifically single out users for criticism ... we tell you the rules, and *you* think about whether you're likely to be breaking them or not. Then, anybody who truly didn't realise they were causing problems gets the message without anyone publically flaming them.
Anyone who blatently ignores the rules ... well, then they deserve what they get.
(Whoa, long post!)
ANYWAY ... getting back to my original point (I had a point?!) what Jari said is quite true: good idea except that it's almost certainly *going* to develop into a flamewar.
Incidentally, I don't mean to imply that more fixed rules are the solution to every problem. They aren't. Just that in this circumstance, it *might* be useful, and it was something the mods were considering.
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jari..... maybe if we told people our problems and realized that flames may have some merit, we could form a utopian message board.
edit: posted same time as fice :)
[edited] 249 2002-01-13 23:51
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Darkness & PurpleSmurf: Exactly what Fice said. The idea itself does have some undeniable merit, but in real world it's just way too likely to be more trouble than it's worth.
PS. Show me Utopian society that really exists and works and I promise to reconsider my views about discussing these things openly. :)
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Umm... wow. That degenerated.
All I can say is that what I read of Joey in this thread alone started to rub me the wrong way.... I can't imagine the rest of your problems. A sort of that air of bravado? One who talks the talk w/out walking the walk? A similar air that an annoying little cousin gives? Hard to describe....
Anyway... In a long shot to pull back to topic.... All I have to say is that "Hello, Mr. Anonymous with the One Game Emu idea is me, now, with an account" and I still am going to rent a PS2 and play w/ that until the cost of buying one goes down to about the same price as buying a decent modern graphics card, IE, somewhere around $200 give or take $25-30. When that happens, yeah, I'll get one. But not before. And that may be within a year or so... if not, emus and stuff will come out, things will be made right, etc, etc. Patience, people, patience. Play the game now, however possible, and get it out of your system.
In all honesty, have you actually restarted a Final Fantasy game in the month or two following your first run-through? I haven't. And if you have, well... patience.
Barawulf
EDIT: Darn, forgot my sig. Oh well. Next time. For now, my name'll do...
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yea you sorta of caught us at an awakward time. if you search for joey's posts you see what were all talking about. oh and welcome to the board. :)
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Joey, if you read this, as much as it saddens me to read your post, I have to say this, GROW UP!
That is not such a big of a deal to start thinking of sucide. You are 15 years old, I know what it is being 15 years old, and believe me, you are going to look back when you wrote these things and say, "Geeze, I was such a dork in writing that". I've gone through this stage, probably even worse than you. I almost did walk the walk. So don't go saying things about suicide, because your problems are insignificant to the problems that I used to have. I'm not trying to bash you, this is just the way I am, straightforward. In my opinion, a lot of people here in this board like you. When you were away for some time, a lot of members were starting to worry about you.
One thing that I have to state is that this is the Internet, don't make it part of your life. You may have problems in real life, but your life in the Internet should not interfere with your real life (unless the internet is your life, which I doubt).
The word "moron" is not a really insulting word.
Moron means, an adult which still has the mind of a child. In which case we do think it applied to you, and if you think about the meaning of moron, technically almost everyone here are morons. There is nothing wrong with being a moron. In real life, people have called me a moron lots of times. Where I used to work, I used to be the "Joey" of my workplace.
All you have to do is show people that you really changed, and that takes time. To be a moron to moderator is really hard, but if you can do that, that means that you are a far better person than most of us.
I'm not sorry if I insulted you before, and I'm not sorry for what others posted. Most of all, I'm not sorry for your decision to leave this board, because after all it was your decision. This is just a message board, we don't know you in real life. What happens here shouldn't bother you or anyone else in real life. GET A GRIP! It's not the end of the world.
Being a 15 year old is still being a kid, and as a 15 year old you can still act like a kid. It would be worse if you were a 20 year old acting like a kid.
So, get your act together, and start changing your way of thinking. Showing that you were bothered by the word moron is not the best thing to show that you are actually changing.
I hope you read this, and if that post was really you last post, then good luck on whatever you do, do your best, and Sayonara.
-vvalentine
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Well, Qhimm is right, I'm back, but only for this post.
Qhimm, Jari: I know that you are both 21 or something, as you guys can't like, ignore those stupid posts. But here's the big question for both of you: are you going to forgive and forget about all the stupid things I've done. I know that it may be hard, but a lot of people has noticed that I've changed from an extremely sick and childish person into a better one. Why not you guys forget about all the stupid things that I've posted. Drop me a mail if you can forget, and give a chance for the new me.
vvalentine:No, I'm not mad that they called me a moron, but the edit button that comes with my every posts. It's only on my posts! Actually, I'[ve lost intrest in life a long time ago, and I'm very sucidal and have a split personality.
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On 2002-01-14 02:42, Joey wrote:
vvalentine:No, I'm not mad that they called me a moron, but the edit button that comes with my every posts. It's only on my posts! Actually, I've lost intrest in life a long time ago, and I'm very sucidal and have a split personality.
How many times do I have to explain it to you that it appears only on your posts because you are logged in as you! Try not logging in at all, and you there will be no delete buttons on your posts :x
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On 2002-01-14 02:42, Joey wrote:
And I have a split personality.
How many excuses can one make to cover one's own ass?
Edit: Post # 666
Sephiroth 3D
"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
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Joey: Dude, are you really a moron? Everyone has that delete button thing, the X in the circle right? I have it too, and I think everyone has it too.
Also, being suicidal is not surprising, why do you think I drive usually at 110 mph (not that I'm suicidal, but death is not that scary). Talking about sucide actually means that you are looking for someone to hear you out (If you want to talk about it, drop me an e-mail, I'm a good listener and give good advise in these kinds of things (friends usually). I used to study a lot of psychology and sociology when I was interested in majoring in psychology, plus, I've gone countless of times to a psychologist )). Another thing, you are not the only one with split personality (if you have it (you can only know if you visit a psychiatrist)).
-vvalentine
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On 2002-01-14 02:42, Joey wrote:
Qhimm, Jari: I know that you are both 21 or something, as you guys can't like, ignore those stupid posts. But here's the big question for both of you: are you going to forgive and forget about all the stupid things I've done. I know that it may be hard, but a lot of people has noticed that I've changed from an extremely sick and childish person into a better one.
This is really getting very repetitive, but I'll point out something that we both wrote to our replies: we don't think that you have changed. Like Qhimm said, only clear change in your attitude has been that you don't claim anymore that you work for Square, and that doesn't really change things anywhere.
Actually I re-read the relevant part of this topic, and nobody is saying that you have changed, so where did you get the "...lot of people has noticed..." thing? Not that it would make any difference, as Qhimm, not "lot of people", is the boss here, and what he says goes. In other words; this is not a democracy.
It's not really about forgiveness either, because that is a concept more suited to interpersonal level, than board-moderating-level, IMHO. Hating someone and thinking that someone can't act appropriately in public place are two different matters. Although they have nasty tendency to get mixed up, but that's unavoidable because we have to use humans as moderators and admins.
If someone would like to donate AI-based moderator bot that preferably has a master's degree in psychology and completely lacks any kind of emotional feedback we would be very grateful. :)
Sephiroth 3D: You are _evil_, check your post count. :P
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I don't think I bash Joey very often (do I?). I can't really see why this is all getting so dramatized, it's a message board.
Although Joey does post stupid things sometimes, I usually just think 'Joey's stupid, maybe he can't help it' when I see some of his posts, so I don't spend my time slagging him off, maybe that's why I don't find him so annoying. (Hmm, I can't really see where this post is going).
So, Joey hasn't actually been banned yet has he? He's leaving, but he's asking for our forgiveness in hope he can return. I don't think I remember Qhimm telling you to f*** off Joey, he's just being straight with you. I remember when I first joined these forums 1 or 2 years ago I was around 11, and I was a bit of a moron. I posted some pretty crappy posts before the forum split, and now I'm a mod. I think it's cos I don't post so often. There are loads of posts where people have just written one line stating the obvious, and that gets kinda annoying. I think that's something like what you did/do, so instead of trying to post in every thread about whatever first pops into your head, just skip the thread and forget about you post count.
Man, I've spent ages writing this post and it's all been a load of crap. Remember kids, don't end up like uncle eerrrr. :-?
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Jari: Thanks! I edited my post to include that info for future generations to read.
Joey: "Uncle eerrrr" is totally right. One of the reasons you, Darkness and PS are treated like you are, is because you guys alwasy seem to post your opinons on everything, no matter what.
Now, as I've stated in earlier posts, Darkness has been getting much better about it, but both you and PS still do it a bit too much. The difference between you two is that you seem to post crap, while PS posts relevant stuff along with his crap. Not to mention his amount of crap is way less than yours! (No Offense PS.)
Sephiroth 3D
"I don't understand..." "You don't have to understand." - Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Sephiroth 3D.com (http://www.sephiroth3d.com)
[email protected]
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Jari & Qhimm: Whoa, that ´looks like a dialogue !
Joey: I think everyone in here can forgive you, it just depends on your future behaviour ... change it for the better, and there should be no problems (I think)
- Alhexx
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When I jumped straght to page six...how did I know it would be this off topic... *sigh*
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cause your a freak? and i dont' really think this is truly off topic. as apparently were about to lose someone who was very active on this board. maybe not in a positive way all of the time but he helped shape it none the less. he was a part of this board (6.11% of it actualy) and i'm glad he was here.
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Pshewwww...
God... so many opinions, so little time. On one hand, I do think that we are all being a little too hard on Joey. But that is my compassionate side, mind you. On the other hand, it annoys me so much to see such a self - serving post on this board. I have literally never seen such a 'pity party'.
I hope Joey understands that he is annoying. I also hope he understands that he is welcome back. (I think?) But I also think that this post is no longer serving a purpose, besides for Joey to extrapolate on his flaws, real or not. And that is what I see him doing in the near future. Mods, I agree with you, seeing your flaws is a very educational thing. However, when you see your flaws reflected by a huge community whose members you thought were your friends... well, the theraputic value is most certainly lost. I really think you should remove this post, because it can cause only heartache for... those involved. Of course, it is entirely your decision, as always.
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Dang it... the above was supposed to be by me... I guess I forgot to put my name and pswrd in. Silly me!
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yeah, joey. you cant just say that youve matured and it will magically happen. it takes work. i personally find it quite enjoyable to hang on the that bit of childishness while it lasts, but it can be taken too far. heres a tip if you decide to come back: think about what youre saying before you post it.
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I hope that you will accept joey as he really have changed. I'm not mad at Qhimm because I've been extremely mad at him before when he told my secret to everyone. But he really changed and I forgot and forgave. I hope that Qhimm+Jari can do the same too.
Joey is quite special. He dosen't realise that he is making someone mad until you tell him and he corrects them. Please, do tell him what's he making you mad.
I worship him as he can handle stress from crazy classmates and a father that gives unnesary lectures like "You are going to get the last in the class if you don't stop playing the computer" Despite him having finished his homework. He isn't playing anyway but typing his story. He will then have to back off and let his dad play Red Alert 2. I know because I've saw this before.
So, please, he really deserves a second chance.
~Nathan
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OK! Moving along. That wasn't necessary to post. No one here hates Joey (not that I know of), and he will be welcome back always, as long as he tries to behave (And "Try" is the key word). The only one giving a hard time on Joey is himself. He needs to learn how to cope with unsignificant problems like this.
Joey, I hope you read this.
-vvalentine
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Maybe I forgot to add as my earlier message was done in a hurry:
Joey can change his personality like his chlothes, so, he is unstable.
Like Qhimm said, he needs this board more than this board needs him, so, he will most probally be back when he gets back to his senses, maybe a week or two. His school is filled with people who still play counterstrike on an exam and who follows their feelings without logic, like cavemens.
No, Joey dosen't even know the meaning of self-pity or how to put people on a guilt trip because he is very honest. The "die" means that he will pray that he has cancer (he has been complaining of headaches and memory lapses lately).
The reason why Square forbids its employees to participate in forums is because of rumors of info leaking from the employees to the net is reported. Joey still works in Square, but he won't mention them. The boss has full faith in him on not to leak out and secrets.
Hope your doubts are cleared now.
~Nathan
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Urghh! Enough already!!
Cut the crap alright. We don't care if you work for square (Nathan), or if Joey works for square. Whatever he wants to do is his thing. The only thing he needs to know is that he has no enemies here, and that nothing happened.
Let us just forget about this, everyone, Joey. Alright? alright!
One last thing. Someone close this topic, and if possible erase it (we can make another topic of FFX again). Please. I hate all this "drama".
-vvalentine
Edit: I just noticed, Joey's post count is 911. Get it?
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What! Damn that Joey! I'll kill him now! *draws sword, dramatic music and lighting effects* Damn him! He'll never order me the wrong pizza again! But I would like for no particler reason to give me views on some of the stuff mostly what has been said about Joey:
I hope that you will accept joey as he really have changed
No... the more people change the more you notice when you get down to it, there still the same old person underneth all that crap they have put on since you last saw them. "The more things chage the more they stay the same"
Joey is quite special. He dosen't realise that he is making someone mad until you tell him and he corrects them. Please, do tell him what's he making you mad.
I kinda know what you mean there. I had a freind who would always torment people (me included) in various ways. It was all a big joke really but it got on people nerves. Eventurly we truthly told him that we liked him as a person but he could be such a bastard. He took this to heart and thought about it. After that he did try to be nice to people. As I have tried to be nice to someone who I have fighted with for years. Good luck Joey sometimes not making people mad can be quite hard...
I worship him as he can handle stress from crazy classmates
Yea well I'm sure he gos home and laughs at the walls just like I used to do. Ahaha.
Joey you have been the forum idiot at Qhimms for a long time. And damnit buddy screw them all your do a damn site better job than I ever will. Come back to use mate. You know you cant resist now can you. Gha.
Joey can change his personality like his chlothes, so, he is unstable.
Hmm. Try throwing a pencile up in the air at certain points in the day. He will probley in that case find it hilarious.
No, Joey dosen't even know the meaning of self-pity or how to put people on a guilt trip because he is very honest.
Thats the way. If some one shows you a picture and its crap tell them. Being straght with people is more amuseing any way.
The "die" means that he will pray that he has cancer (he has been complaining of headaches and memory lapses lately).
She'll be right. Its probley him. I havent been reading this board as much as I should be the last few months so I dont know hes getting on but tell him to chill! What evers making him down will eventurly not make him down any more!
Edit: I just noticed, Joey's post count is 911. Get it?
911!? Argh! Gotta spam. I used to be ahead of Joey in the day! I gotta beat him to 1k! Noooo!
Well enough. I dont know why the hell I posted this. I'm probly just severly board and wanted to give some of the views on how I think about things. Fact of the matter Joey your welcome back but... bring some steak boy.. cause throw it at old ladys just like we did in the old skool days!
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VValentine requested a topic close, and I think I agree with him ... we've all said what we're going to say.
You know the drill ;)