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[FF7] 7th Heaven+FFNx Guide&FAQ
OatBran:
--- Quote from: Spooniest on 2020-06-18 02:35:56 ---Ciaobuongiorno. I was wondering, your guide says to install to C:\7th Heaven\ and also, from this very thread, it seems that it looks for FF7's installation in C:\Games\FINAL FANTASY VII\FF7.exe.
I have Steam installed on an external usb Solid State Drive. Is that going to make it incompatible with this installation process? Your guide seems to skip over this part, unless I'm just not reading it carefully enough. Or do I simply direct it to my installation folder, regardless of which drive it's on? Will it be ok to install 7th Heaven on a drive other than my primary HDD (C:\)? Does this work, or should I install it on the primary HDD?
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7th Heaven (The mod manager client application) is installed into C:\7th Heaven\ by default. The modded game installation is installed by the 7th Heaven app into C:\Games\FF7\ they are 2 different things.
regardless of whether your installation is in a default location or not, as long as you replace each occurrence with your location, configure 7th heaven to do the same, and 7th heaven has read/write/access permissions to the location, it should work.
Spooniest:
So, then, C:\Games\FF7 can also be read, "wherever it is that Final Fantasy VII is installed," so long as I know where said address is on my computer setup. Is that right?
edit:
I figured out the mistake I was making.
From the guide:
Because of the way the opening half of these two parts of Step 6 were worded, my mind skipped over the 2nd part of it. One says "locate" and the other says "navigate to." It was my fault, I didn't realize you were asking me to rename two of these files (whose filenames are identical) in separate locations.
I'd have made "navigate to [directory]" its own bullet point, there, and then another bullet point that is identical to the previous one "locate the file [filename]" but I get not wanting to be pedantic about things. Sorry, chief.
OatBran:
--- Quote from: Spooniest on 2020-06-18 15:36:50 ---So, then, C:\Games\FF7 can also be read, "wherever it is that Final Fantasy VII is installed," so long as I know where said address is on my computer setup. Is that right?
edit:
I figured out the mistake I was making.
From the guide:
Because of the way the opening half of these two parts of Step 6 were worded, my mind skipped over the 2nd part of it. One says "locate" and the other says "navigate to." It was my fault, I didn't realize you were asking me to rename two of these files (whose filenames are identical) in separate locations.
I'd have made "navigate to [directory]" its own bullet point, there, and then another bullet point that is identical to the previous one "locate the file [filename]" but I get not wanting to be pedantic about things. Sorry, chief.
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No, don't feel like you are being pedantic about anything. You are describing the core issue that caused me to write the guide in the first place lol. SO many people were confused about this step and made mistakes, creating the appearance that their entire 7th heaven / modded game was corrupted and wouldnt work ever again or something.
I am not exaggerating, dozens of people either messaged me directly or contacted me on discord asking for help because they misinterpreted the original install instructions on the ffnx github.
With that said, I went through many iterations to describe the process in what I (with conformation from others) decided was the most clear and understandable way to do the task correctly. However, There are all kinds of issues introduced when a language barrier (non-native english speaker) is involved or just personal interpretation of the words. English is all kinds of messed up even for native speakers lol.
Another complication is the fact that in computing, there are multiple ways to accomplish the same task, and the way I would interpret the directions and the process to execute them might be different than yours. Anyone can make a simple mistake along the way, and not realize it - but be completely convinced they read and followed the instructions explicitly. I have had arguments over it with people swearing up and down they read it and did it right, only to find out they originally made a mistake. Just an inconvenient issue with human existence itself I guess lmao.
sorry for the legnth of this post, I can get extremely long winded with my explanations, and I havent even explained why the current version of the guide is the way it is yet :p
Okay you may have skipped all that crap above but here is my real explanation for the current wording.
Assuming you have nothing but steam, 7th heaven, and your internet browser open at this point in the guide I tell you to "Open" a directory. (meaning explorer / your file manager)
The way I would do this when following a guide that has explicit paths written and formatted in an easily copy-able way i just copy (Ctrl+C) the path from the guide / 7h itself then "run" (WinKey+R) that path to explorer. (Ctrl+V) Using suggested defaults, and copy+pasting the information is a foolproof way of avoiding mistakes, as long as the guide is correct lol. The term "Open" is used for this step (and others) because that is the term the run dialog uses.
Once explorer is already open, you can then "Navigate" to further locations by using the same method as the initial step by copying the path, but then pasting it into the address bar of explorer. You could keep using the run dialog for every step but if you are not closing the window when you are done, then you might end up with a lot of windows by the end. It's hard to know what someone will do and I can't accommodate every situation unfortunately.
The reason step 6 is in 3 bullet points and not 5, is because the guide is already littered with them. It's a mess and I feel bad lol. you are doing 2 things in each bullet point and I didnt think it would be too much to expect people to understand that. Locating/Identifying a file by it's name, and rename it. Then navigate somewhere else, locate the file and rename it. I suppose a better way now that I am deep diving into it once again would be to say "rename this (separate) file." or something that implies it is a unique file itself.
Anyway if you read that then idk, you have too much time on your hands or something lol. I don't think Ill be changing step 6 in the guide, but you will have to wait a little bit to understand the reason why. ;)
Spooniest:
--- Quote from: OatBran on 2020-06-19 00:35:27 ---Anyway if you read that then idk, you have too much time on your hands or something lol.
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... Get outta my HEAD lol
:D I don't think I was seriously suggesting that you make an edit to the guide, but upon reading your description of why it's written that way, I realize that I am presuming knowledge of how to navigate Windows (and also that there is only one way to do things - silly me). It didn't occur to me at the moment I wrote it, but of course, there are multiple ways to call up a file address in Windows. I didn't think of that.
I guess that's a very human trait, to use one's own knowledge of how something is done to describe it to someone else when making instructions, but you're right, instructions have to be written in whatever way is the simplest and most straightforward way to explain it to someone. What's that old saying about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing? Heh.
SwordofAeons:
Trying this today with the latest 7H Version 2.2.1.486, one version past what's listed at the top of the guide. It appears that C:\Games\FF7\ is no longer used? The folder doesn't even exist on my system. 7H seems to be working, though, as I was able to successfully change the title screen with a mod. I've found copies of FFNx.cfg at both C:\7th Heaven\Resources\Game Driver and the main steam folder, but neither resemble "A Completed 7H Modded Install."
Apologies if this gives you as much of a headache as I'm currently experiencing >.<
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