[FF7PC-98/Steam] Multiple mods and Modding Framework-The Reunion [R06f]

[DLPB_]

The "lost the last time" is too literal and definitely needed amending.  The literal does not work and misses the intended meaning. We discussed this at length at the time.   Remember that localizing is not an exercise in being literal.  It may still need another look regardless.

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Rufus
“…That's how it is,Reeve.
  Your job is to regulate
  the reactor's output.”

That should be reactors' and is now corrected. Thanks   it may work better as "to regulate the output of the reactors"
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The other would need input from good Japanese speaker. It's impossible to tell from literal what it is meant to sound like.

[DLPB_]

R03e is ready but I am waiting to hear back from Lusky regarding a small update to ts.  After that I'll upload it.  Reunion R04 is basically also ready, pending the update.  Of course, the retranslation gets finalized Jan 01 2006 also.

[Ansem]

the retranslation gets finalized Jan 01 2006 also.

I have reason to think your date is incorrect.

[DLPB_]

Well, think again.  I invented a time machine to save myself having to go through all this.   

Of course, I meant 2016.

[IlDucci]

DLPB you got my last message?

[DLPB_]

I did

[SonofKalas]

2 questions
Any Idea when the new version will be ready to work on steam ?
and has any of the retranslation component changed between ro3b and ro3d 

[DLPB_]

Retranslation changes are always ongoing until Jan 2016, but the changes are relatively minor now. The biggest change before Jan 2016 will be boxes placed properly and exclamation marks toned down (they're a remnant from the Japanese game that completely overuses them - so ironically, I am "inaccurately" representing the lines by omitting so many).

The Steam version will be here as soon as Luksy gets back to me.  I have no idea when that is.

[SonofKalas]

thanks for the swift reply

[Shasta McNasty]

The Steam version will be here as soon as Luksy gets back to me.

Hear that boys?  It's jean-creamin' time.   

[luksy]

"ふん" is a fecal swear, but this case could also just be a sound. Although he doesn't curse elsewhere, his dialect is rough and I'm tempted to belive it's some thing like "Well sh*t..." or "Sh*t son," like an old miner might say.
I should probably update, if you've made changes since what I downloaded before. Sounds like you have.

You're probably thinking of 糞 which literally means "dung/feces" and isn't a swear word (unless it's read くそ, and even then "swear" is pushing it, it's closer to crap than sh*t). ふん just means "hmpf" or "hmm" depending on the context.

[DLPB_]

OK I discussed with Luksy something that's been bothering me a while

“Today’s command
  is ‘formation’…”{NEW}
“Don’t forget it.”

It's never made any sense.  Well, it was a tough one:

That first "formation" has nothing to do with what goes on in the locker room, I'm still confused by the text though. It sounds like he's saying "today's order is the name of the formation", does that mean anything to you?

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OK as far as I understand it, what he means is his orders relate to the button names, that's all there is to it. It works in Japanese because he uses the English words for the buttons. It's a 4th wall thing.

haha
[13:20:23] Daniel Burke: so "today's commands are in English" basically
[13:20:41] Daniel Burke: why the word "formation" ?

Because he means the shape of formations, he literally says "circle, triangle, square, cross" in Japanese. It's a really crap idea to give some in-universe explanation for those words that doesn't even work in Japanese.

"today's commands are based off the names of formations" is a super literal translation

[13:23:42] Daniel Burke: thats utterly ridiculous

[13:25:39] They should have just gone all out and said "the commands are based on the shinra-station controller" 

Daniel Burke:  So "Today's commands will be the names of shapes"  or even just remove this silliness entirely since it might not be needed now in English

Edit.  The glyphs and English words are both there, so it's utterly stupid why they used English commands at same time.

[DLPB_]

Correction to the text:

I have removed the entry where the captain explains why the orders are controller buttons.  Other parts of the game (like Barrett's "press X") do not feel the need to tell you why buttons are being named.  This is mainly due to the fact that the Japanese game uses English words for the buttons, despite also showing the button glyph. It doesn't transfer correctly to the English game.

[DLPB_]

This is a reminder that December 1st will be the last call for any proof reading.  If none has been started by that time, I'll begin finalizing.  I hope to begin sorting any remaining issues including box positions, and there will be no time to wait around.  When new year comes, the retranslation will be finalized.  Next year, there will be zero corrections. No more pestering Covarr and Luksy.  So if you are doing a proof check, it's time to get skates on.

[DLPB_]

I've updated some more dialogue, like the following (which was a little off imho)

R03d

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“Shin-Ra’s concentrated its
  military might at Midgar.”{NEW}
“It’s only a matter of time
  now before Sephiroth
  meets his maker.”{NEW}
“What? Me? I’m cool.
  I’m staying in reserve.
  I value my life.”

“I finally got orders to
  join ‘Operation Sephiroth’.
  I’d even be able to go on
  a Guernica.”{NEW}
“But why break the habit
  of a lifetime? I’m just
  gonna ignore them.”{NEW}
“I have to live and see
  the end of the world.”{NEW}
“If I’m lucky,I’ll be needed
  in the new world.”
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“Doesn’t it bother you?
  Flying around knowing that
  you could die at any minute?”{NEW}
“If I were flying,I’d live each and
  every day as if it were my last.{NEW}
“Well,I’d need a licence
  first,of course.”

New

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“Shin-Ra’s concentrated its
  military might at Midgar.”{NEW}
“It’s only a matter of time
  now before Sephiroth
  meets his maker.”{NEW}
“What? Me? No,I’m staying
  here in reserve. I value my life.”

“I finally got orders to
  join ‘Operation Sephiroth’.
  I’d even get to go on a
  Guernica.”{NEW}
“But why break the habit
  of a lifetime? I’m just
  gonna ignore them.”{NEW}
“I plan on surviving the
  apocalypse. With any
  luck,I’ll be needed in the
  world to come.”
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“Doesn’t it bother you,
  flying around,knowing that
  you could die at any minute?”{NEW}
“I’d be living each and every
  day as if it were my last.”{NEW}
“Well,after I’d earned
  my licence,I mean.”

[MEMANIAsama]

Yay, congrats on the final stretch. Now, I doubt this would ever be done since it's more a mod and less a translation, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Would it make ANY sense for characters to have a mod toggle that would make characters refer to Red XIII as Nanaki once they've reached Cosmo Canyon and heard his story? It always seemed weird to me that they would refer to him by his "project" name and a name that was assigned to him by a mad scientist that tortured and experimented on him, especially after learning he had an actual name,

But, I realize that's messing more with perhaps the intent of the original game in some way, but I always kind of figured it was a technological limitation of the game since you're allowed to "name" the character and by forcing Nanaki you'd negate the player naming him. I'm curious to see how the remake handles that.

Anyways, just sort of wanted to throw that out there, but like I said, I don't expect anything to be done with it.

[DLPB_]

The idea is that the party give him a nickname (the default is Red XIII, but we're to assume that the party call him something else).  Under those circumstances, it's understandable to keep calling him the same name.  The issue here is that if Nanaki had a name all along, why wouldn't he just tell them?  There's no good reason why not.  So we're left with the nickname.

The best way around this would be for Nanaki to tell you his name at the time (modded file) and then later for the script to be altered so there is no surprise.  But this misses some of the story, doesn't it.  A name can only be updated from the naming screen, so to do it the way you suggest would look very clumsy - and the default would again read Red XIII rather than Nanaki.  There isn't a way to change this during play.

[Covarr]

The way it's phrased in the official translation, if you choose the name Nanaki in the first place, it works fairly neatly when his proper name is introduced. I thought that was one of the few things handled quite cleverly.

edit: disregard that, I'm remembering wrong

[DLPB_]

Yeah, the guy at the gate also mentions that "Nanaki is Nanaki"  after Cloud asks him who Nanaki is.

[DLPB_]

You know, since we can read the savemap, all we'd need to do is read the bytes corresponding to NANAKI at Red's name address.  If there is a match, we can branch it off to a quirky response that somehow you named him correctly.  Some silly thing like "It must have been the holy flame guiding you" lmao. 

I may cook something up

Ah wait... I forgot.  The names aren't in the banks.  Leave it with me anyway....

[DLPB_]

OK, there is a way.  I think it's the only way.  I could create a small piece of assembly code that checks (on field entry) for Nanaki bytes at the address, and if found sets a bank byte to 1.  Then in game, that flag can be checked.  This is a very far out way to achieve this - it means actually adding to the game code to even make it possible

[White Wind]

I think I remember I read in the Nightmare 7 thread that Tenko Kuugen had made the naming box pop up again at some point in Cosmo Canyon, so that Red could be renamed Nanaki.

And for me (from what I recall) it's more like he doesn't bother to tell you what his real name is. Doesn't he even say something like 'Call me what you want' when you first meet him? He doesn't open up to others untill later, in the beginning he doesn't really care, hardly talks, is just a follower. Sephiroth is none of his business. It's Bugenhagen that tells him to go on with the group. And then later on he understands that defeating Sephiroth is the right thing to do.
He is the oldest of the group too.

EDIT: And Yay, 100

[DLPB_]

He is with you at first purely to return to his hometown.  I wouldn't go down the renaming screen thing like Kuugen because it's sloppy and disjointed.  With proper editing of the game it's possible to make it know you've used Nanaki.  But...  you're not meant to do that!  OK it can be argued that after Cloud finds out they should all be calling him Nanaki... but it's still just silly.  I prefer to leave it as the writers saw fit in this case, and know that the party use a nickname of "Red" for him.

[White Wind]

Ow ok, I understand now what you're planning to do.. Hey yeah, why not.. I wouldn't like to have him named Nanaki in the menus and the dialogue box headers (the thing that indicates that he is the one talking) Red XIII is Red XIII for the player, but that could be a nice thing to have the other members call him Nanaki after Cosmo Canyon, yeah.
But.. would all of them be calling him Nanaki right after? Wouldn't some characters be more enticed to stick with Red XIII, or even just Red?

EDIT: Yup you see things as I do

[DLPB_]

Very likely.  Actually, I cheated... I've made the default in retranslation "Red".  There's no way they'd give him a nickname of Red XIII.