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« Reply #75 on: 2004-08-04 17:39:00 »
The ATB requires quick thinking, on your toes battles, FFVII...

FFX allows you to sit down and actually plan an attack...

But, Threesixty didnt say anything about FFX, he just said that the optional bosses didnt take as much skill, in which I pointed to Emerald and Ruby weapons. There were a few in FFVIII I believe too that were quite a pain (I remember that big cactuar...).

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« Reply #76 on: 2004-08-04 17:58:30 »
I was speaking of Kingdom Hearts... Cloudsquall said something about the game being aweful.... just because Disney had a part in it. I suggest giving the game a chance, and not judge it just because it has Disney characters in it.

And I was just stating that the gameplay in KH wasn't as mind-numbing as the typical RPG. Not that I don't mind the mind-numbing gameplay of typical RPG's...I mainly play them for the story and the FMV's, anyway. But it's nice to find an Action RPG on the shelves, with a decent backstory.

The storyline is pretty good in KH, too.....granted it's kinda inocent,...but it does have it's moments. I just wish they would quit the trend of putting 12 year old characters, in 20+ year old situations. I guess that's one of the reasons why I like FF7, Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Shadow Hearts, over FF8 and 9....their ages seem more believable.

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« Reply #77 on: 2004-08-04 18:03:42 »
It seems cloudsqual doesn't like many games does he.

He doesnt like 7 ,he doesnt like Onimusha, he doesnt like Dynasty warriors, he doesnt like KH....

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« Reply #78 on: 2004-08-04 18:17:09 »
Like I said, I played bits of pieces of it, it just didnt really catch my interest. That, and Im really just not a disney fan, period. Im not a big fan of Disney, except for a few here and there. So, a Disney-based RPG? Not something that screams for my immediate attention, but thats just me.

And Onimusha is pretty damn good, especially the 3rd one. I want that Katana Controller...

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« Reply #79 on: 2004-08-04 18:24:18 »
Maybe he's a gamer who doesn't like what everyone else likes? It's kinda like music. You like something mainstream and it sucks most of the time. Emphasis on most. Sometimes, mainstream can really be worth your time though. Take Xenogears or Chronocross for example. Even MGS!! Mainstream is good for some games but bad for others. It gets to some companies' heads. So they release shit like Kingdom Hearts which I don't mind but I hate the fact that Disney is a part of a Square game. They could've used a company that isn't so childish you know... especially when most of us are way older than the audience they point the game to. Do you honestly believe that a 6 or 7 year old will want to read all of the dialog? Some kids might but I don't think they'll understand some of it as most Square games have things like adult humor and complex story structures. It's not a smart approach. Isn't this game the reason why Square had to use Enix as a life raft to start with?

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« Reply #80 on: 2004-08-04 18:45:16 »
No, Spirits Within was the killer that made the "merger" happen...

The game has sold extremely well, so obviously there must be something special about it...

But who remembers that Shinji Mikami thing (The creator of the Resident Evil series) comment he made about Kingdom Hearts?  :lol:

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« Reply #81 on: 2004-08-04 19:13:34 »
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Isn't this game the reason why Square had to use Enix as a life raft to start with?


umm, no. And I'd hardly call Enix a life-raft for Square, if anything it's the other way around....and KH was a huge success. The only gripe I have about KH is the Epileptic camera angles...and the fact that you can't turn off the subtitles....I hate games that don't include that....That's my main gripe about Xenosaga, too.

But there is really no point in me saying to try this 19.99 game for yourself....especially, if you already have your mind set in dislike it. Once you start off hating a game....nothing is likely, to change that.

To be honest...I thought it would suck, too....the only reason I bought KH, was to see Aeris, again... (awe, how cute...).
Actually if it weren't for my curosity on how the would bring her back....I wouldn't have never bought my PS2, last year.... FFX had a little to do with it, too.

If it weren't for Square...I would still be into PC's.

And I do believe that this movie is going to make up, big time, for the last one.

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« Reply #82 on: 2004-08-04 22:32:09 »
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umm, no. And I'd hardly call Enix a life-raft for Square, if anything it's the other way around....and KH was a huge success. The only gripe I have about KH is the Epileptic camera angles...and the fact that you can't turn off the subtitles....I hate games that don't include that....That's my main gripe about Xenosaga, too.


Funny, my gripe is that you can't turn the *SPEECH* off. I would of killed to be able to shut those actors up and read what they were saying.

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« Reply #83 on: 2004-08-04 22:36:10 »
Didnt they use that kid from A.I. and the Sixth Sense, and that kid from Dawson's Creek? Heh, reason enough to make someone not want to buy it...

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« Reply #84 on: 2004-08-04 23:21:12 »
It's 19.99? Hehe. Kinda reminds me of what's happened to the Gamecube. A world where the GBA:SP sells for the same as GameCube... :lol: Don't prices normally go UP when the game is doing good? I've only seen it sink. In fact, I don't even know a person who owns the game. I've seen the exact amount of copies of the game on the shelves for about 3 months. Just from my experience though... I'm for the game and all just not the Disney factor. Which is why I don't own it. Would you rather have the original copy of the album or the crappy quality of the burned one? That's how I feel about it. It seems to me like this one's the burned one... It doesn't feel good to play a game that's had anything to do with Disney. Except for Aladdin for Genesis. That was fun!! And this ain't no Aladdin! :lol:

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Didnt they use that kid from A.I. and the Sixth Sense, and that kid from Dawson's Creek? Heh, reason enough to make someone not want to buy it
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Ah yes, all the hallmarks of Disney. Using crappy actors to do voices. I'm glad I didn't buy it.

BTW, seeing Aeris again to begin with doesn't even make any sense!! And secondly, whoever made the same comment that states "awww how cute", I have to totally disagree with them. It's not even cute!! It's kinda sad really. No offense. I just can't see what's with this whole obsession of Aeris.
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She died. End of story.

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« Reply #85 on: 2004-08-05 00:23:11 »
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Don't prices normally go UP when the game is doing good?


That doesnt make any sense. I never saw GTA:VC or MGS2 sell for 60 dollars because they did well. At a certain point, so many people that are going to buy the game already have, and extra copies are going to be left over, and companies cant have them floating around.

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I've seen the exact amount of copies of the game on the shelves for about 3 months.


Do you think retailers leave shelves empty after they take something out? No, they go in the back and put more out. If you're implying no one has bought a copy in three months, then you should sit there for three months and watch it, or better yet, ask the store manager how many copies they sold. That doesnt mean anything. A few people could of bought 3 copies, you come in, see that amount, manager puts 3 more to replace it, 3 more people buy 3 copies, and you come back and see the exact same thing. It's just not solid.

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Would you rather have the original copy of the album or the crappy quality of the burned one?


As I said before, I've only played bits and pieces of it, but if you're implying its a Disney spin-off of Final Fantasy, I'd disagree. From what I played, there were a few cameos from Final Fantasy characters, but other than that, everything else was Disney. The combat system, though I wasnt a big fan of, was not like Final Fantasy's. Only thing I can see they borrowed from Final Fantasy were the summons. Its not like they took Final Fantasy VIII and replaced Squall with Donald Duck. It had its own story from what I played.

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Using crappy actors to do voices.


Didnt that kid win an Emmy or some kind of award though? I dont like him personally as an actor, or the one from Dawson's Creek, but I wouldnt call them crappy. I atleast respect them because they must have some kind of talent in what they're doing to be at the level they're at, even though if I dont care for what they're doing.

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the hallmarks of Disney


Im not a fan of Disney either, I've only watched a few Disney movies, like Hercules and Aladdin, which I enjoyed, and they certainly dont have crappy voice actors. The voice acting in a Disney movie is usually good. They dont have droning or unethusiastic voices.

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seeing Aeris again to begin with doesn't even make any sense


Its fantasy. I thought you liked that? Fans wanted to see her, so they pleased the fans and showed them to her. Its a fantasy world, which is why Im not really interested in it. It doesnt have to make sense.

But as I said before, I too really dont care for this game, but it obviously must be good. There's something about it people like. Numbers dont lie, it has sold extremely well. It works for most people, but I prefer things more rooted in reality, which Kingdom Hearts doesnt scream at all. But hey, its Disney. You dont go to Starbucks hoping for a Chicken Quesadilla.

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« Reply #86 on: 2004-08-05 08:14:09 »
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So they release sh*t like Kingdom Hearts which I don't mind but I hate the fact that Disney is a part of a Square game.


Why?  Because Disney has a reputation for makinf films for kids, any game they make or co-create therefore makes it shit, and people should hate it?

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They could've used a company that isn't so childish you know... especially when most of us are way older than the audience they point the game to. Do you honestly believe that a 6 or 7 year old will want to read all of the dialog?


You really don't grasp this game do you?  Its not aimed completely at children. Its geared towards an OLDER audiance. 12 and up.  Hell, Kids of age 6 should even OWN a PS2 at age 6 Imo. And also, What makes you think Disney ARE so childish? hmm? Just because they make movies aimed at children that many adults ALSO enjoy.


So what company do you suggest they use instead?  The whole point of using Disney, was that they could create a nostalgic experiance that would light up flames in both Children, and parents.  Without Disney, the game wouldn't be there.  Its more or less the WHOLE plot of the game.

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« Reply #87 on: 2004-08-05 10:49:30 »
All very good points. I see what you mean. I just don't like my childhood to be blended in with something as seious as FF. I know it's not completely serious but I don't think having the Disney faces in there scream serious like the unplayable movie demo of FF8 or something... It seems like maybe the game was too out there for me. It's not exactly a Marvel Super Heroes VS. Capcom kind of merger after all... It's not really what I'm interested in for a game. To be honest, the Disney characters are a joke. Can you honestly say it's possible to make a dramatic trance of a game (like the PSX FFs) with faces and personalities like those of the Disney characters??

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« Reply #88 on: 2004-08-05 10:58:19 »
Yes.

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« Reply #89 on: 2004-08-05 13:21:21 »
Some Disney characters are great, one thing I hated though was a key sword/club. I had no idea what was going on there... :o

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« Reply #90 on: 2004-08-05 14:52:44 »
They Keyblade?

That was because Disney have a non violent image to project to kids, they can't be seen showing swords to kids.

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« Reply #91 on: 2004-08-05 15:52:19 »
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They Keyblade?

That was because Disney have a non violent image to project to kids, they can't be seen showing swords to kids.

Which is also one of qwerty's problems, they cant show weapons.

imagine, cloud, landing the final blow, with a giant key!! :evil:

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« Reply #92 on: 2004-08-05 17:01:14 »
^^^There was a wooden sword in that game...in two different parts. Well, one part if you didn't choose it in the beginning..... In the very beginning the game is easy or hard depending on what answers you give to the questions, that Selphie, Titus and Wakka ask you....pretty fresh idea, if you ask me

And the thing in italics....I was reading (you the reader's) mind.

Regardless what the negative people think or say...Kingdom Hearts was a good game and the voice acting was very good... It sold so well, that Disney is going for a second round.

Seriously, qwerty....Your logic on game prices....is really out-there. Your off in your own little world.

Game that go Greatest Hits....don't get reduced in price because of poor quality.... it's because they have made enough money to please all their investers and themselves, and now they want to grab a little more cash from the more budget minded consumers. The game has already made them a huge amount of cash....Now they can afford to lower the price, and sell more copies of their game. Plus it'll adds to the anticipation of KH2 and the blockbuster first week sales of KH2, when it comes out next year.

The story of KH, is FF worthy.....and like all FF stories, it takes a while before you get hooked. You can't really judge the story by just playing it a few hours. And the introduction of Disney characters, really does blend well. And the main storyline is a little dark. If you think KH is all kiddish with bright story context.....it's not.

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« Reply #93 on: 2004-08-05 18:39:54 »
I dont care about the characters, but how as far as I can tell it's slightly "Disnified", Like key's instead of swords -_-

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« Reply #94 on: 2004-08-05 18:54:32 »
more than, kinda...

ever notice how disney always makes very attractive lead female characters.... Disney isn't as wholesome as they pretend to be.

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« Reply #95 on: 2004-08-05 19:02:22 »
Ahhh yes, the hidden little quirks in all the movies, I knew it was bound to happen...

They do make attractive female leads, but then again, would you want some rather ugly woman as a lead? They also make good looking male leads too (except for the Hunchback, other than that, they're all princes and stuff). People like seeing good looking people in movies, period.

But there are a few hidden things that can be disputed...

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« Reply #96 on: 2004-08-05 19:07:06 »
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more than, kinda...

ever notice how disney always makes very attractive lead female characters.... Disney isn't as wholesome as they pretend to be.


Hence why there is so much hentai or it...mainly on the shoujo-ai forums...

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« Reply #97 on: 2004-08-05 19:11:27 »
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more than, kinda...

ever notice how disney always makes very attractive lead female characters.... Disney isn't as wholesome as they pretend to be.


Hence why there is so much hentai or it...mainly on the shoujo-ai forums...

Im going to hope this isn't from expierience :lol:

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« Reply #98 on: 2004-08-06 08:58:59 »
Myeh, I stumbled over it when looking for the FMA manga, and it was full of the stuff >_<  Hell..There was even Family guy porn...Well thats what the title was anyway....after seeing that site I felt a need to scrub my eyebals with a wire brush.

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« Reply #99 on: 2004-08-06 12:24:03 »
"Family guy porn"....?

You mean EdxAl yaoi doujinshis...?