Author Topic: ohh... my... god.... HELP! (Read 11794 times)

Darkness · « **on:** 2002-10-18 01:08:22 »

my good system is giving me a BSOD!

heres what the error is:
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

it happens whenever i boot... after giving me safemode options. I cannot boot into xp AT ALL.

heres my stuff:

1900+ Athlon
Abit KG7-RAID
Geforce 4 ti4600
512 pc2700 ddr
WINDOWS XP HOME

Aaron · « **Reply #1 on:** 2002-10-18 01:16:33 »

Most likely bad memory. Try a different stick if at all possible.

You might also try a Recovery Installation. Boot off the XP CD, and go along normally until after the licence agreement. Don't hit "F2" for auto system recovery or R for recovery console, its after that.

But
I think its bad memory.

Darkness · « **Reply #2 on:** 2002-10-18 01:28:46 »

i opened it up... and an ide cable and a few power cords were resting against the ram...

will my mobo be able to use pc100? cause thats the only other thing i have.

it booted into safe mode.... 1 time.... but now im getting the error once again....

more info:

STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x8003435, 0xF894CFAC, 0x00000000)

Goku7 · « **Reply #3 on:** 2002-10-18 01:33:40 »

Well, that would certainly lead me to believe that the problem stems from problems in RAM......

I would suggest trying to boot it with all but one memory stick installed, cycling the one that's removed until you found the stick that's been hit with Alzhiemers.

Darkness · « **Reply #4 on:** 2002-10-18 01:39:25 »

thats a problem... it runs on 1 stick.... can i use pc100 on this mobo?

Goku7 · « **Reply #5 on:** 2002-10-18 01:41:54 »

Hmm.....how new is the mobo?

If its less than a year old, I'd say go for it. However, since I don't know much about mobo's themselves, I'd also say get a second opinion.

Sorry if I'm not being much help.

Darkness · « **Reply #6 on:** 2002-10-18 01:45:38 »

woah.... it just booted on its own... perhaps it takes some time to clear the ram?

Goku7 · « **Reply #7 on:** 2002-10-18 01:48:13 »

In that case, have it run Norton System Doctor twice and post about it in the morning.

Aaron · « **Reply #8 on:** 2002-10-18 01:58:18 »

"Flaky RAM"
I would be careful.

I don't think PC100 will work with an Athlon XP... cause Athlon XP's bus is 133 mhz. But I could be wrong... never tried.

But if you have a DDR-Only board, you wouldn't be able to even try

Anyway, I have a DOS app that does a rather good job of testing memory, if you can boot to a pure-DOS prompt (boot disk or CD).

Darkness · « **Reply #9 on:** 2002-10-18 03:17:39 »

argh... still having troubles.... it just randomly reboots and screws up now...

Goku7 · « **Reply #10 on:** 2002-10-18 03:19:15 »

Is there any possibility of using RAM from the system you're using to post in the first place, or is that why you kept asking about PC100 RAM?

Darkness · « **Reply #11 on:** 2002-10-18 03:22:08 »

thats why i keep asking.... and its looking like ill have to borrow some ram tomorrow...

Goku7 · « **Reply #12 on:** 2002-10-18 03:24:26 »

You wouldn't happen to have that mobo's instruction manuel laying around somewhere, would you?

If so, I suggest you take a look at it, it might tell you if it does support that PC100 RAM.

Rubicant · « **Reply #13 on:** 2002-10-18 07:33:31 »

I have a different approach. Delete your windows XP directory off of your hard drive and stop using that half-assed operating system. I would greatly suggest using something which is more compatible with everything (such as windows me, which blows still, or else windows 98 SE).

If you really enjoy using XP then I understand. For a while I used it, until it gave me really big problems and I just said "f*(fill in the blank)* it". If re-installing doesn't work, then it's definately a hardware problem. I can't help you there. That part is up to you. My arms can't exactly fit through the internet, if you know what I mean

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Oh, and don't try using that 100mhz ram before consulting your manual (or else your computer's guardian angel). If your normal bus speed has to run at 133mhz, you could easily fry something. Good luck.

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Rubicant · « **Reply #15 on:** 2002-10-18 10:41:31 »

Fine..it won't fry the memory..but it'll do some strange stuff.

I'm sorry..I just have bad experiences with windows 2000 and up from there. I've gotten them all to work, but they never really stay put. I got errors out of the blue when I was using windows 2000 professional.

One day (when I used to use windows 2000) I got done with typing a word document. I exited the program and was going to change my desktop picture. I right click, and I get a blue screen. The blue screen flashes away so fast that I can't even read it, and before I know it, my computer rebooted itself!

Why else do I not like windows 2000 and XP? You can't customize for crap. I tried to install my own video card drivers (this happened on both windows 2000 and XP home), and all it did was whine about how it HAD to use the default drivers for the card. The drivers that I was going to install were for the proper operating system, I checked. I was "logged in" as administrator. It simply wouldn't let me get rid of the defaults. I checked the registry and I couldn't even remove it completely.

Yeah, I'll have to admit that windows 9x is "really old" software, but that doesn't mean it doesn't serve its purpose. Keep in mind that *I* was giving him *MY* advice. You don't have to disregard what I'm saying just because you think 9x isn't very good. I'm trying to help him based on my experiences.

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You might be able to overclock your PC100 memory to 133 MHz, although that most certainly is not a good idea for troubleshooting, unless you are 100% sure that it can do it

That is pretty much what I said in my last post..instead, I said he probably couldn't do that.

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Not really. Only difference is that one is certified to run at 133, other at 100 MHz, other than that they are identical. Well, almost, some mobos that are old enough to be compatible only with PC100-memory have had problems with PC133, but that's rare. And even in that case nothing is fried, it just doesn't work.

Ok, I'll believe this once you show me a machine with a 133mhz fsb using pc-100 ram while clocked at 133mhz running normally without any errors or screw-ups. I'm sorry but I honestly cannot ever see that happening EVER in the real computer world. You'd think the reason WHY they have pc-66, pc-100, and pc-133 types of ram is for different performance levels. It's like trying to run a school bus with a lawn mower engine. I don't think it's gonna happen!

He can definately run his machine with his pc-100 ram running at 100mhz, but I don't see it happening at 133mhz. No way.

Thank you for your time.

J* H***** · « **Reply #16 on:** 2002-10-18 11:50:34 »

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Jedimark · « **Reply #17 on:** 2002-10-18 12:06:26 »

I had exactly the same error as you Darkness. Stop errors are bad news... I still don't know what was wrong with the computer but a low level format fixed the problem for me.

Rubicant · « **Reply #18 on:** 2002-10-18 15:31:30 »

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You don't overclock, do you? Thought so.

Ok, that offends me. I have been overclocking for four years now. I know what I'm talking about. I've never SEEN any ram chip go further than 21 mhz above it's normal limit. 23mhz was pushing it due to errors (this is based on my experience, again). Who knows, maybe you can actually do that. It just might be the type of hardware I'm using. I've never seen it..and never will until someone actually shows me.

And the question then pops into my mind...

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It might be stable at 132 MHz, and get rated as PC100, because it can't run at 133

Have YOU ever tested this, or are you basing this off of someone else's information?

Oh yeah, and lol @ intel. I'm sure all companies do stuff like that all the time. For example: the cyrix processor. How can that thing even be on the market? It can't do anyting!!!

ficedula · « **Reply #19 on:** 2002-10-18 18:43:14 »

I've tested it. Up until a week ago, I had 192MB of 100MHz SDRAM in my machine (a 64 and a 128, different brands too IIRC) running @ 133MHz, and it'd worked perfectly for months. Only changed to upgrade to more memory

This isn't theory; a lot of people have done this, and generally speaking, it works. I've even taken the RAM up to 136MHz with no problems (just don't do that normally because of processor heat, memory is perfectly stable at just about /any/ speed I throw at it).

Darkness · « **Reply #20 on:** 2002-10-18 21:28:52 »

ahh the evil smell of burning.... anyway... i got the computer to run all night... but after school it was frozen on the screensaver... i was unable to get ANYTHING to appear on the screen after that. I opened it... and the processor was like 150.

Aaron · « **Reply #21 on:** 2002-10-18 21:50:35 »

Huh? Like 150?

Anyway, freezing like that is a sign of a memory problem or even possibly a power supply problem. (I can even see CPU or board, but I'd think they were less likely.) Only way to know for sure is to swap 'em out and experiment.

Darkness · « **Reply #22 on:** 2002-10-18 22:21:04 »

the cpu smelled for burning.... and was extremely hot. and it heats up VERY fast.

Rubicant · « **Reply #23 on:** 2002-10-18 22:40:02 »

well itsn't that something...? burning smell did you say?

Ok ficedula, I see. I've never seen anything clock that high on what hardware I'm used to using..that's pretty cool, though.

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Darkness · « **Reply #24 on:** 2002-10-19 04:23:23 »

ok... heres what i think the problem is:

cpu fan slows to 2000 RPM
cpu heats to 140F+
cpu acts abnormally causing crashes and blue screens

posible?

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