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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 22:21:30 »

It doesn't matter if god played it - the story is what the original writers intended - not what a localizer on a tight deadline accidentally made happen.

But you're arguing FF7r is status quo and you have no leg to stand on.  Or pillar.

https://imgur.com/a/0wPOXoV

Isn't that your work? Certainly seems to suggest Shinra blew up R 5. Or that they were at least comfortable with letting it explode. Which matches pretty well with the "bad translation".

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_LtQ-Pvzkg

So, what exactly was the issue with the two quotes I posted? Am I going to find another similar outcome if I waste my time checking this walkthrough out for the 2nd quote?

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 22:13:58 »

It's not valid at all. And certainly not when you're using that flawed translation to then explain a title 20 years later by a totally different localization team again working from a new Japanese script. You're not making any sense.

Ahem.

I'm open to changing my mind. Where is that "proof" though? Is there a major translation mistake in the two quotes I posted earlier? Please do share if so.

What are the big mistranslation in those quotes exactly?

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 22:08:01 »

It doesn't matter if god played it - the story is what the original writers intended - not what a localizer on a tight deadline accidentally made happen.

What a localizer on a tight deadline accidentally made happen is what you, I, and most of the world got to experience.

You can argue all you want that it's not right, that there are mistakes and there definitely are.

It's still what most of the world experienced and therefore, it's an absolutely valid thing to take into consideration.

And I'm still waiting to get educated on the "proper" translation for the two quotes I posted. I'd love to know what is wrong in them. Do tell.

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 22:04:36 »

The original English PSX version of VII had Zeng die and tifa's bar was a shop.  Should we keep those too?

The story is the Japanese source from 1996.  Nothing else.  None of the retcons. None of the material afterwards.  And certainly not a totally flawed English translation from 1997.

I'm not sure what you mean by "keep" but they should absolutely be taken into account. That's how 99.9% of the world played the game. It's kind of a big deal, you know?

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 22:01:02 »

If you build up a conjecture from a translation mistake, and someone shows proof of that mistake, what do you do? you keep stubbornly clinging to it? Again, I didn't say you should. I said you're exposing yourself to a risk. This is the second time in a row you twist my words, try to be more careful.

I'm open to changing my mind. Where is that "proof" though? Is there a major translation mistake in the two quotes I posted earlier? Please do share if so.

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 21:47:11 »

First reactor has a massive explosion from the top, while the flames cover up the bridge completely.

That's a pretty good point.

Don't Cloud and Barret plant the bomb somewhere near the bottom of the reactor?

Again, not saying Shinra did but to claim people have to somehow be on drugs to come up with that is pretty sad. It's an absolute possibility.

Original is the japanese. Anything else is prone to errors. Anyone using that even more so. Chinese whispers/telephone game.

Yes. European, American, Australian, African players all around the world are going back and looking at the Japanese release for references whenever they think of Final Fantasy 7.

Absolutely.

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 21:29:05 »

also using flawed original English translation to make a point about original story prob isn't a good idea

Point made.

Sorry but, your translation work, regardless of the time you invested and how good it might be, never was and never will be... "original". The game is what the game is.

s7 convo is about the pillar which shinra do deliberately blow up to kill avalanche.

Correct. it's just to prove a point that Shinra would've no issues blowing up a reactor.

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 21:05:54 »

Love it how there's no evidence of Shinra actively blowing up Reactor 5 (other than just letting Avalanche's bomb go off) yet you act like you're enlightened.

Jessie was surprised her bomb caused such a massive explosion. *cough cough*. Yet the 2nd bomb causes exactly the same kind of explosion. Yeah, she definitely made the same mistake twice.  There's absolutely no possible way that Shinra would've. Especially when soon after they purposely blow up an entire sector of Midgar and kill everyone in there. Shinra would never.

They definitely had to be smoking something to come up with that for the remake. There was absolutely no possible way. 

Oh and they definitely didn't have a "Neo Midgar" plan as well. Must be my head-cannon.

Bunch of geniuses here...

And on a side note, it wouldn't make any sense for Shinra to blow up the reactors themselves. They are ruthless, yes, but like any company their prime objective is earning money, and as an electric power company the reactors are their main source of income. If they wanted to denounce Avalanche as evil-doers, they could've easily done so in other ways. From a business point of view, demolishing your own production is devoid of all logic. (And I'm actually surprised that Nomura, who is also among the leadership of a big company, seemingly doesn't understand that.)

Pure gold right here...

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 20:29:52 »

, I've played the original more times than I can count over the past 22 years.

"And such a waste of good fireworks, just to get rid of vermin like you..."

"We'll destroy Sector 7 and report that AVALANCHE did it. Then we'll send in the rescue operation care of Shinra, Inc. ...Heh, heh, heh... This is perfect."

Go back and play it some more.  lmao.

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General Discussion / Re: [SPOILERS] FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-08 19:48:34 »

Attention, another spoiler coming up! I just read on some other forum that:
Honestly, what on earth were they smoking when they made up stuff like this?

Did you even play the original?
Cause Shinra 100% blows up reactor 5 as well as the pillar that supports sector 7.
The first explosion is hinted at being caused by Shinra as well by the very same scene you mentioned...

The remake is so triggering that some of you are going above and beyond looking for stuff to hate on.

I mean, we got socially awkward, on the spectrum, basement virgins debating if Aerith is innocent or slutty... WTF!

And sure, Sephiroth is a transgender super soldier far less manly than y'all. You extremely macho folks. 

This thread is a hilarious pool of tears. And the salt... Oh my. I love it.

Stay triggered my friends, stay triggered.

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General Discussion / Re: FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-06 20:56:20 »

To be fair, he was pretty chill in the original when the party meets him in the Shinra HQ, then when the party randomly runs into him in Costa Del Sol, when he first witnessed that WEAPON were real and even when he was about to blow Midgar (and himself up) with the cannon.
He wasn't really "afraid" of anything, quite the opposite so... THAT one reaction is not really out of character for Hojo.

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General Discussion / Re: If FFVII were to be remade, things would change

« on: 2020-04-06 06:03:06 »

When the special kid loses control and bumps 8 year old topics to compliment his own IQ...

Damn, shite, Nomura and his remake, triggering them folks on the spectrum. ASSASSINATE!!!!!

3 days till I can play the damned thing.

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General Discussion / Re: FF7 remake discussion time!

« on: 2020-04-05 05:42:27 »

fern me, I shouldn't have read that. If it's true though, sounds dope as hell. I'm sure crybabies will still moan about it not being a 1:1 copy of the original though. Entertaining tears are sure to follow.

No offense.

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-04-01 13:44:14 »

Just picked up my copy from eb in Australia, it is gonna be a long wait for my work day to finish

PFFFT!

Screw you! But enjoy. But still screw you!

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-03-25 16:00:27 »

There are fetishes for many, many things. There's folk who have a sneeze fetish, uploading compilations of sneezing Twitch streamers to youtube.

lmao.

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-03-24 03:15:50 »

No wonder aliens won't visit us and our own planet wants to exterminate us.

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-03-21 00:43:16 »

Eh, Tifa still has a skirt but it's not a leather-skirt and it's not as wide as the old one. The stockings are an annoyance to my eyes. She doesn't have shorts thankfully, but the new skirt is less hot than the old. Now, i'm not playing to perv or whatever you wrote- but i enjoy my girls to be eye-candy while playing. I do always choose a hot female character over a male one when i play. I'd keep Tifa in my party because i like looking at her proportions. Change that and i'll use something cool instead- ruining my Tifa experience. Real life women are hard to deal with in this day and age. Sometimes hot models of female characters in games could be nice for people who don't have girlfriends and who like to be less bored while playing. I think that's what's great about the 90's- females in games were always as sexy as possible. That's how it should be done.

This is a take I've seen around a lot, from a lot of people.

Am I the only one that finds it weird?

Just like I found Final Fantasy XV's Cindy to be weird... Like... I mean... To each their own but damn... lol

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-03-20 02:55:05 »

I found this video to be a pretty good explanation about the new combat system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztySzIUICj0

Was interesting to watch. The KH3 part of the video was on point and most of what he says about FF15 is on point as well.

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-03-19 22:34:32 »

On a positive note, seems like Amazon is going to be able to deliver the orders on April 10th.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: Womp Womp Womp

« on: 2020-03-16 22:19:19 »

Lmaooo. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't use your shitty mods. You're 100% useless to me.

glad you know your place and that's all your good for, though. Cause yeah, nobody actually likes you. You're just a useful idiot. haha.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: Womp Womp Womp

« on: 2020-03-16 22:08:22 »

I deleted abusive posts that were clearly trolling.

Donkey applies acne cream.

Donkey then makes a thread, trolling and being offensive.

Donkey gets trolled and offended.

Donkey proceeds to delete posts that offend him.

??

You can dish it, but you can't take it. You're a bully AND not even the tough kind.

It's also amusing that my thread is locked for me deleting abusive posts but this clearly trolling thread is still open. 

If you cry and beg hard enough, it will be closed.

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General Discussion / Re: [FFVII-R] Discussion & News

« on: 2020-03-16 19:20:50 »

I couldn't stand playing Kingdom Hearts really past the first town, because I hate mindless button mashers. 

That's very untrue. Button-mashing will get you nowhere in KH unless you're playing on Easy difficulty. Critical Mode and even Proud Mode will force you to be strategic or get 2-shotted by even regular weak enemies.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: Womp Womp Womp

« on: 2020-03-16 18:50:55 »

My god, you two are like an old married couple who refuse to get a divorce because you're afraid of what the neighbors will say.  Give it a rest already.

Damn, that's pretty hilarious lol.

Can't upvote enough. Take this argument and all it's toxicity to Facebook. This community can be great if people stop inciting/feeding/acting like trolls.

I'd be happy to. if there were no posts mocking and insulting people's intelligence just because they have different opinions, posts calling for people's assassinations, posts trolling people about serious health crisis that some of us might be going through, posts acting like a total douchebag, I would not be replying to you right now. This topic would not exist right now and we would all be better off.

Instead, we got this pathetic loser, that feels like he's an untouchable tough guy because of his contributions to this forum, mocking and trolling and insulting whoever he wants, whenever he wants.

Get the basement-dwelling rat to behave and you won't ever see me even address his acne-ridden existence. I'm not the bastard we need, I'm just the bastard he deserves.

Also, once again, I'm aware I'm breaking some rules so...

@Mods, I'm just being petty and bullying our favorite special needs child. Feel free to delete this post whenever you see fit.

.

No hard feelings if this gets deleted and I get warnings issued. I'm well aware of my behavior.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: Womp Womp Womp

« on: 2020-03-16 17:25:24 »

As Ric well knows he wss banished for constant trolling and insulting because that's alll he brings to a thread

I only troll you. No one else.

no one else was removed from the thread despite not exactly being nice.

Bullshit. You deleted MysticLord's 2nd post after he posted the link to a youtube video mocking you.

ric is a troll on any thread, so you clearly don't know him too well.

You posted an entire thread, trolling people. And when you get made fun of in return, you delete posts, you cry and act like you an innocent victim.

You're a clown.

i suppose leaving his posts there being ignored gives me a kick too

The only thing my posts give you is anxiety.

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Completely Unrelated / Womp Womp Womp

« on: 2020-03-16 02:47:40 »

Poor little DLPB.

Couldn't handle getting trolled on his idiotic coronavirus topic, started deleting replies that trolled him and got the topic locked.

https://archive.fo/dyC3k

Mr. Tough Guy's last post (now deleted of course, can't let anyone know he's got soft feelings).

Also, Ric.  Give it up [about 20 deletes so far  ].  You're on ignore - your posts aren't being read or seen - and it's much easier for me to delete your posts than it is for you to post them - and it makes me feel good to click the X.  Get off my threads and stay off.

Keep entertaining us, clown.

@Mods, I'm just being petty and bullying our favorite special needs child. Feel free to delete this post whenever you see fit.