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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jpHh0hJG-G60ymOiQ7ncgHcqXD7QD9GIFV5O0 
By MATTHEW LEE  (AP)  –  2 hours ago
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration ridiculed North Korea on Friday   for claiming $65 trillion from the United States in Korean War damages,   saying the communist nation is an economic "basket case" due its own   failed policies.
Marking the 60th anniversary of the start of the   conflict, the State Department said North Korea had no one but itself to   blame for its isolation and the misery of its people. Spokesman P.J.   Crowley called the compensation claim "preposterous" and said the North   should abide by agreements to give up nuclear weapons and stop   threatening its neighbors.
Amid heightened tensions between North   Korea and U.S. ally South Korea over the sinking of a South Korean   warship, Crowley noted that South Korea was now a democratic and   economic powerhouse while North Korea suffers under a dictatorship that   has wrecked the national economy.
"The South Korean GDP is now six   times that of North Korea, which is, for all intents and purposes, an   economic basket case," he told reporters. "We certainly hope that North   Korea will look at the exemplary example of development and democracy in   South Korea and choose a different course from the one it is currently   on."
Crowley said the situation was a "tragedy" for North Koreans   and placed the blame squarely on the "behavior of the government of   North Korea."
"It is time for North Korea to accept full   accountability and responsibility for what has transpired over the past   six decades," he said. "Rather than submitting a preposterous bill to   the United States of what? ... $65 trillion, as we have said and   stressed many, many times there is a choice that is available to North   Korea."
North Korea blames the 1950-53 war on the United States   and on Thursday said the moneterary cost for North Korean suffering from   the conflict amounted to $65 trillion — five times the U.S. national   debt.





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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-25 21:11:46 »
proper storytelling (the
Doesn't work with Silent Hill 1 because of Silent Hill 3.
For everything else, if we assume everything that happens prior to the potential point of death to establish the tendencies of the characters and the rules of the universe, none of those really create any in-universe implausibility, with a noticeable shift in themes and relationships, following someones possible death.

i think you should differentiate between possible and plausible. possible means if it can happen, plausible means if it reasonable. and by all means it's not reasonable at all. The main character dies (ok that's possible). But there would be no character growth, resolution, or anything worth noting in 3 whole discs. Leaving Squall still as a loner, still mission-focused, still love deprived, still insecure, still a cold and unapproachable person. It leaves Edea alive, Rinoa unloved, Seifer unchallenged and Ultimecia with all her powers. It does not explain Irvines case of nerves (because he was shooting at matron), it does not explain Lagunas relationship to Squall, it doesn't add anything to the story, but rather subtracts from it. All the loose ends that are tied up in the 2nd 3rd and final discs become invalidated. So essentially this theory creates more holes than it supposedly fixes (i've yet to see one, the time loop is debatable but it's not a flaw in the plot, but more in the theory of time loops). Themes and symbolism are intended to strengthen a storys intended meaning, not to support some crock what-if story about how the main character dies that goes against the grain of every story anyones ever heard. If someone dies, then be assured there will be hints at the death. (near death does not count as nearly every story has this, there is no way to distinguish this from any other story). I can't exactly put my finger on it, but it's not just one thing that's wrong with this theory. It's like saying, I don't like the intended idea of the Bible and since I've seen the Matrix I'm going to project what I felt should have happened onto the Bible. I could argue Jesus is from the Matrix, (and piss off a lot of people while I'm at it). Seeing as how he miraculously walks on water, feeds thousands of people with hardly anything, comes back to life, talks to God and is supposed to be the saviour. It's like a puzzle with a missing piece. Sure you can put some play doh inside and mold it into the shape of the missing piece, but it's quite obviously bs and would not make sense to go there. It may fit, but fitting does not mean it's accurate.

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i want 65 triiirrrrrrriiiiiiooonnnnnn dorrahss

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-25 03:07:57 »

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-24 17:52:28 »
the author links being in a dream state with death. that's completely outrageous. what's to say Squall dies in the end? he argues that Squall is in a dream state assuming that being in a dream means you are dead. sure he provides the location where Squall dies, but then goes on to argue the dream without arguing the death.


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standing are:
USA
England
Scrub1
Scrub2

USA is playing ghana
England is playing Germany (ouch)
USA and england have same number of game won, lost and tied. so they went to who scored the most goals (though we had the same point differential lol)

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-23 18:39:00 »
Watch from 4:20.

It does seem like he is coming to terms with his own death.

ehhh? i think it was just for dramatic effect lol. make main character seem he's lost the battle, and is unable to recall the memories that are supposed to save him. then he is saved very dramatically.

lol serious i think there should be a new meme.
what if i'm dead and dreaming since the end of disc 1

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square website gave me like 9kb/s download..... 5 hours for 170mb =/
don't expect to be able to play it though since i use an intel graphics card. we'll see =P

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-21 17:54:18 »

FF8, Hell, even at the start Squall could have died during his fight with Seifer, and everything after the hospital is just a dream.
If that's what you're saying, how did Squall dream of Rinoa when at that point he never knew Rinoa?? I never knew there were such things as Squall being dead.. Hmm its complicated.

well it's a dream, anything can happen =P. assuming Squall dies at the end of Disc 1, his dreams create Ultimecia and his mother Raine. lol I'm fairly certain Squalls not dead, but there is a chance I'm wrong. i used that example to try and make the Squall Dead theory seem like nothing special.

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-20 18:10:53 »
i think it's an interesting theory, would be pretty cool, but the way   the game looks it's rather badly implemented. Common in stories is   growth and development. Squall makes no growth and development because   in the events of disc 1 he's just an a hole who cares more about the job   than his friends. And he dies before anything grows. I'd gladly wager everything I own that Square intentions were not to kill Squall off (I bet you would too)

Also when the party plays as Selphie trying   to stop the Galbadian missiles, how is Squall dreaming about what his   life could have been or something?

But you can make a very   compelling argument for Cloud being dead.

He fights Jenova   Birth, which can symbolize the birth of of his mission. The starting   point. Jenova Life symbolizes the continuity of the mission to kill   Sephiroth in spite of Aerith's death. And Jenova Death symbolizes the   end. Cloud physically dies at that point. (i'm changing my theory :]).   It's a sequence. When he faces Jenova Synthesis, (the combination of   birth, life, and death) simply means he's gone through the entire cycle   and he has been born, he has been alive, and he has died.

Aerith's   ghost at the church is a symbol of Cloud's guilt for not having saved   her. And in the dream world he wishes she didn't die, so he creates an   Aerith in the church.

Cait Sith predicts that Cloud and Aerith   have a great future together. Ironically right before Aerith dies.   Clouds future with Aerith is in the lifestream. Aerith and Cloud was the   games intended couple. And the unite because Clouds dead.

At   the end Cloud et co. face Sephiroth. In the last battle, Cloud defeats   the Sephiroth in his consciousness. The Sephiroth symbolizes his   greatest obstacle; being able to die peacefully. Cloud has wanted   revenge on Sephiroth for seemingly forever, and he has to defeat his   demons in order to rest in peace.

Cloud falls in the lifestream   and dies after handing the black materia to Sephy because Sephy no   longer has any use for him. Falling into the lifestream obviously means   he should have drowned.
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Here's why Squall's the only one   being interrogated. And this is from the game script too.
 
Quote
Seifer: Even if you don't talk, others will. The instructor, the little
messenger girl, or that Chicken-wuss... He wouldn't last 3 seconds!

Squall: (Th...They're...) ...They're...all here...?

Seifer: Oh, you bet. But since I like you so much, I thought you should
go first. I was hoping you'd be there, Squall. So...how'd I look in my
moment of triumph? My childhood dream, fulfilled.

Lions are a symbol for Squall, I agree with you there. But why would that mean he's dead? Because
it's fantastical and doesn't occur until after he's hit with ice? The moombas are symbols for lions not
symbols of his death. Maybe the world is unrealistic but hardly a reason to believe he died. I personally
believe they are Squalls connection to Laguna, who is his father. (that's why they say "laguna?"
when they see Squall--> they think he's his father).
The author even makes several justifications of how the dream theory is hard to argue or hard to believe
at that point.

As for Ultimecia's quote, my interpretation of it is that, "look back and savour your childhood memories
because time will slowly erase your memories of your past. time doesn't wait or relent. No matter how
hard you hold on. Which plays out pretty well with the ending since Squall is trying to remember but can't.
Ultimecia is probably telling Squall that you can try to get back home by remembering things dear to you
but time won't stop and it'll take a hold of your memories and erase them so you'll never return.

Most of the symbolism in his arguments don't point to the fact Squall actually dies, but more to the fact
that the game is unrealistic. His whole argument hinges on this if it's fantastical then Squall must be dead.
It's pretty loosely connected. For example that hole in Squalls face, he claims is because Squall can't
hold on to his memories anymore. He uses that as an excuse for death rather than what is more commonly
accepted; that memories and the things he cherish are the pathway to getting back to his own time.
Rinoa's feather symbolizes his memories of Rinoa. Squall pictures Rinoa crying and a flood of memories
come at him. Which is how he is saved. As Laguna tells him, the only way to get back is to think about
your friends. I guess it's cause the ending has always made perfect sense to me that I don't really feel
the need for an alternate theory to satisfy me.

My main argument here is not that the theory is not possible, but that the game does not provide enough solid
concrete evidence so that one can say in FF8 Squall dies. Because the evidence provided by the authors
is present in every game.

EDIT: I don't troll. dw =P. i have a tendency to be a bit stubborn in arguments, especially when i sense idiocy on the other side. But that's about as close as I get to trolling.
 

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-20 05:11:14 »
FF4, Rydia summons Titan, Cecil dies and then dreams about everything that happens from then on.
FF6, How do we know that Celes doesn't actually die under Cids care and she's comatose the whole time?
FF7, Cloud could have died when stabbed by Sephiroth
FF8, Hell, even at the start Squall could have died during his fight with Seifer, and everything after the hospital is just a dream
FF9, hardly played, game looked stupid
FF10, Tidus could have died from Sin at the start

Although all those scenarios could have been possible in the games you listed, I can't find any symbolic elements in those games that hint on their deaths. You sound like you haven't read up on the squall's dead theory, but this theory is backed up by quite a lot of symbolism (a lot of it is in the ending scene of the game), which I'm not goign to get into because the site I linked says it all and I'd just be repeating it all.

Oh and lulz, you kinda sound like Hermoor bashing one game and claiming another game is better. But with better grammar and logic. :-P
haha, am i being complimented or insult? =P i did give FF9 a chance if it counts for anything lol.

Symbolism can be manipulated to support anything. Symbolism isn't concrete proof of anything. For example Cloud. Sephiroth throws a destruct materia at him in the Shinra basement. Destructs most notable skill is death. pretty symbolic huh? In the temple of ancients Sephiroth says "Only death awaits you all. But do not fear. For it is through death that a new spirit energy is born. Soon, you will live again as a part of me." He's claiming Cloud will die and be apart of him when he fuses with the lifestream.
Later Cloud fights Jenova Death (right before he falls in the lifestream ironically). When Cloud fights Jenova Death, it signifies the death of his consciousness. Mako poisoning destroys his last conscious thoughts on Gaia and leaves Cloud as an empty shell. (as Sephiroth prophesizes in the temple of Ancients too).  All i'd have to do is elaborate on this, take a couple screenshots, make conclusions about the ambiguous ending of FF7 and you'd be posting about cloudsdead.com :].

I don't know what the end symbolizes. I can't say exactly. Maybe it's the effects of time kompression. Maybe it's cause Laguna tells Squall that in order to get back to his own time he should "Imagine being in that place with all your friends. Once time compression begins, think of
that place and try to get there!" But Squall is unable to. If anything I think the scene represents the separation of Squall from his friends. Then when he's weak and near-death he embraces his friends and Rinoa. And he remembers Rinoa and their special place. The loner embraces what he swore he would not. Usually he depends on himself but he had to depend on friendship to get him through. Who knows what it really means. But that's the beauty of symbolism huh? A rose means something else to everyone. A rose might mean death and the flowers a widow sees on her husbands grave or it might symbolize the love that two newlyweds feel for each other. I can't say exactly what they truly mean, but my thoughts are, the story has been more about love, and loneliness instead of death. Squall's friendships, and his romances, instead of life vs death. The one character who does die and would stand out is Raine. And she is a very minor character. I just don't see how a gaping hole in someones face symbolizes death (i know that sounds stupid haha). Nor does the existence of Moombas, a couple lines of text that play more into the loner/friendship theme than the i'm going to die theme, and some words Ultimecia utters that doesn't make as much sense as it should. I personally believe the ending is just Squall trying to grasp any memories that he can remember because that's how he's supposed to get back to his own time. What Bosola says is interesting though. Would not be surprised if the Japanese original explains it all, and it was more a fault of the translators than the game makers.

EDIT: Also an interesting point I'd like to make. Squall is pierced by a piece of ice on the RIGHT side of his chest. Hearts on the left. :] I've seen this thread a couple of times on gamefaqs back when I was going through a playthrough.

Whether he was stabbed on the right side of the left side of his chest, an icicle half as long as himself that went into his chest and out the back would have killed off anyone. And Edea would have no reason in reviving him after. She had 3 other SeeD prisoners that she could have interrogated, and Quistis is probably the most knowledgeable out of the 4. That and usually when characters die in final fantasy games as a plot element (like Aeris) there is no reviving them for some reason, cuz that's how Square rolls.

she does though (keep Squall alive). because in the future Ultimecia knows that she will be defeated by a group of legendary SeeD. Because Squall defeats her in the past, and the knowledge passes down through time, in some form. That's why Ultimecia (as Edea) says "so you're the SeeD destined to defeat me" right before they defeat her at the end of disk 2. So basically she knows that there are some SeeD's that are destined to defeat her, but she doesn't know exactly who. Seeing as Squall is from SeeD, she figures she might as well interrogate him. Ultimecia doesn't realize that the one she's reviving is the one who's supposed to defeat her.

Ultimecia has no way to know Quistis the leader or the most knowledgeable. She simply knows Squall attacks her head-on and from what it appears he's bold enough to lead the strike against her (party members come a couple rounds later). I don't know why exactly she interrogates Squall, but she doesn't know anything about the SeeD so she can't exactly designate who to torture or who not to. Best off just interrogating the apparent leader of the assassination attempt.
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Some errors I noticed. The appearance of Griever in the final battle is explained in the Ultimania (the Ultimania, from what i hear disputes many claims by this theory). Ultimecia pulls griever from Squalls image of the perfect GF and creates a physical manifestation of it. Weird things (moombas.... NORG.....) happening =/= Squall dying. If the sky turned green tomorrow, it does not mean that I've died. Distortion =/= Life flashing before eyes.

If you want some lols, post the squallisdead theory on gamefaqs =P. from what i seen when looking for TT help, anyone who mentions Squallisdead get flamed like hell and referred back to the other 15 topics about it. Best trolling tool for the FF8 gamefaqs board ever.

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-19 23:45:40 »
FF9, hardly played, game looked stupid
Silly reason not to play a game, it's one of the best IMO. Don't judge a book by it's cover  :P
i did play it. i got through the ice cavern and then i got bored of it. i didn't really like the cast, and the plot really didn't grab me like FF7 or FF8. When you try to capture the princess, there just isn't that magic like in FF7 (the Mako reactor creates a feeling of anticipated horror) or FF8 (the raid on dollet was suspenseful and climactic). I just feel like kidnapping the princess is the most cliched thing you can have in a game. The starting part with Vivi was 10minutes of mindlessly walking around doing nothing.  The music didn't really stick in my head, though admittedly I didn't get very far.

I guess the plot just couldn't hook me in at the start. and the cast just didn't really have me caring about them at all. Maybe I'll replay it sometime.

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General Discussion / Re: The Squall's Dead Theory
« on: 2010-06-19 19:10:30 »
jesus. i can't say how many times i've heard this theory. possible, but not probable.

how do we know Squall dies in disc 1? Can't we say this about virtually every other final fantasy?

FF4, Rydia summons Titan, Cecil dies and then dreams about everything that happens from then on.
FF6, How do we know that Celes doesn't actually die under Cids care and she's comatose the whole time?
FF7, Cloud could have died when stabbed by Sephiroth
FF8, Hell, even at the start Squall could have died during his fight with Seifer, and everything after the hospital is just a dream
FF9, hardly played, game looked stupid
FF10, Tidus could have died from Sin at the start

Is there any way to distinguish that specific scene from the others? I could make an equally compelling argument about any one of these potential "main character dies" theories.
Would name more, but I think you get the idea.

Not to mention the story makes perfect sense. It's like a time loop. Ultimecia in the future hears that a group of SeeD will defeat her. That's why Seifer interrogates Squall at the start of Disc 2 to find out more about Seed. That's why when they fight Ultimecia masquerading as Edea at the end of Disc 2, she says, so you're the SeeD destined to defeat me. Ultimecia knows what going to happen. She wants to stop it. Ultimecia wants to compress time, in order to counter her prophesied defeat. Because by compressing time she would be the only one who could exist (thus eliminating the SeeD).

Some of the stuff is just plain unreasonable. Since when was a game featuring magic, gunblades, guardian forces and more, being ridiculous for adding moombas. It is final fantasy. Moombas are like Chocobos imo. Don't see anything wrong with an alternate species. FF4 had dwarves. FF6 had espers (terra is half-esper). FF7 has the ancients/jenova. FF8 has moombas. FF9 has the monkey-midget crossbreed aka Zidane.

All his arguments are flawed if you look at them. Squalls supposed foreshadow about being forgotten (when he says, I don't want to be like Seifer, I don't want to be forgotten), is not about dying, but him worrying that no one loves him. that noone holds him close to their heart. that noone is going to look back at Squall and say Squall was this, Squall was that. He's not worried about death. He's a Seed. He's worried that noone cares about him. Which plays into the central theme of FF8. Which is the personal growth of Squall.

The author has a preconceived idea of what he wants. He projects something that's been stuck in his head onto FF8 in the hopes it meshes into his idea of the perfect story. But what is the point of a story that shows no character development, no conclusion, no hero's journey, virtually no plot since nothing is happening, and technically a pointless story.

I think FF8 had a fantastic story and feel no need to project Vanilla Sky into the world of Final Fantasy. FF8 had an interesting plot, perhaps some parts forced when they shouldn't have been. (They forget childhood memories, and Irvine just happens to suggest that it's the GF and they begin to take it as truth?)

EDIT: Also an interesting point I'd like to make. Squall is pierced by a piece of ice on the RIGHT side of his chest. Hearts on the left. :] I've seen this thread a couple of times on gamefaqs back when I was going through a playthrough.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: New Computer
« on: 2010-06-19 03:21:48 »
nice! let me know how you like it, i have a core i7 rig half built ATM with nearly identical hardware. Ran outta funds, so it's just sitting in the closet right now. It's amazing what i can no longer affor now that i own a house  :roll:

lol i think you got a fair trade. you got a house.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: What?
« on: 2010-06-19 03:16:49 »
1.1 didn't support html? i never even tried lol.
[marquee behavior="scroll" direction="left"]What's up all[/marquee]


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Completely Unrelated / Re: Anyone lift here?
« on: 2010-06-19 03:12:44 »
i work out all the time and i think just good old fashioned free weights get the job done  8)

most programs are good old fashioned way. they're just different routines. like rippetoes starting strength is focused on deadlifting, squatting and benching. good ole normal resistance training.

they're just organized so you can get the best gains.

but yeah bodybuilding has become a lot more complicated now. I remember when I started. Just whey, barbells, free weights, and a couple machines. Now, i've got a multi, creatine, whey, fish oil, and i'm thinking of dropping some money on bioforge (for forskolin).

nice build though.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: Anyone lift here?
« on: 2010-06-18 18:52:34 »
P90X is the sh*t, that stuff will kick your ass and make you look great.
i've heard some good things about p90x. never tried it out myself. just wondering, does p90x use any of the barbell exercises? especially the 3 powerlifts: squat, bench, deadlift. looks interesting though, most traditional workouts have you working out every part of your body every week, except on break weeks, p90x has you doing a body part about 1/2 of the total 11 or 12 weeks.


P90X is the sh*t, that stuff will kick your ass and make you look great.
If I could afford it, and if I had enough space in my house, and if I had a pair of matching dumbbells, and if I had a pull up bar, I would do the P90X. But I'm going to a university this fall, I'll see what I can do then.
if you're gonna try and build mass/strength and you're a beginner try Rippetoes starting strength. p90x is pretty expensive for a university student like $120. If you have an on-campus gym, I'd recommend that over p90x. Cause p90x seems more like a cutting routine than a bulking routine. If you want muscle mass, heavy resistance training all the way. Actually, if you're looking for muscle mass try Hypertrophy Specific Training (HST), hypertrophy is just making your muscles look bigger =P. But usually when there's hypertrophy there's strength gains.

BTW, where are you going to University? Freshie in September here.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: Anyone lift here?
« on: 2010-06-18 00:33:18 »
I always start the 8 week ingnition process but crap out after 4 weeks most of the time, when I'm motivated I'm really motivated, when I'm lazy I'm REALLY  lazy...
Bring a friend; fantastic for motivation. Especially bring someone who knows what they're doing. My younger brother was like workout obsessed (he kinda got me into it) and he made my beginner noob days a lot easier. He understood form, knew what to eat, and all that stuff. Plus whenever I struggled he made it fun for me by joking around. He'd say dumb things like "get on my level, son" or if you didn't finish a set and were pretended to be done (say you only did 7 reps), he'd go "I saw that, remember Michael, the only person you're cheating is yourself." Funny thing was sometimes I'd be spotting him and I'd count. Maybe for weighted dips he might only get 9 reps, so i'd be like "you're only cheating yourself." He'd avoid the question, make his fat face then he'd go "get on my level son, then we'll talk"
I use rippetoe...... works GREAT!
which one? rippetoes starting strength?

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Completely Unrelated / Anyone lift here?
« on: 2010-06-17 20:38:25 »
I'm starting an HST cycle next monday.

current goal is to get to 2 dollar mark in weight. and increase amount of all lifts by 25%

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Completely Unrelated / Re: bestbuy delivery
« on: 2010-06-15 23:22:19 »
They ship items from the warehouse, not from the store itself.

warehouse can't be that far can it? o.O
it usually takes a few days depending on how they're shipping it. if they're shipping it with UPS air it'll take like a day to get to you but it could take longer if they choose to ship with UPS ground or something.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: This man is right!
« on: 2010-06-15 23:16:07 »
he seems overly nostalgic if anything. i'm all for newfangled rpg things and stuff.

I really think that Square can resurrect their FF series. If they can get past the Cliche "the world is ending" thing I really think it would be a lot better. Personally, if FF7 was just Cloud trying to get revenge on Sephiroth it would have been so much better than putting things at such a grand scale. I actually don't find the stories to be that stale at all. FF8 had me pondering for days. How Laguna was Squalls father. How time loops work. How Raine was Squalls mother. Why they had to defeat Ultimecia. Why Ultimecia wanted time kompression. FF8 had a very interesting story, though I just wish it wasn't so forced at times.

i don't know if you guys ever played those old megaman battle network game for GBA, but those were addictive. It was an RPG featuring real-time combat, complicated folder building (to get it just right), and it was still amazing. The story was actually horribly boring and cliche but the game had amazing replay value. Though I have to admit it was a pretty unique game, not a jrpg. the thing is, with the MMBN games there were many ways to beat a boss and there was no best way which kinda ruins Final Fantasy a bit. If I were to face Safer Sephiroth here is how I would play against him. W-Summon KOTR + KOTR then proceed to mime. FF7 is supposed to be strategic not a one way street. I agree no convoluted patterns of defeat are needed. Games should not be trial and error because you know that what happens when you first figure out a boss has a weakness (you start guessing elements --> blizzaga, thundaga, firaga or status ailments). I just wish there was more strategizing and less blind guessing.

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Completely Unrelated / Re: So, I'm learning C++...
« on: 2010-06-15 22:53:42 »
lol i got a funny anecdote about C++. I took C++ in high school and I sat with a bunch of my friends. They're kinda ass programmers so they just copy off me all the time. i would do the program and my friend would look at my screen. then my other friend would look at his screen and it'd keep going. So one day we do this program where we have to use a loop to find the least common factors of a number input (500 was what we had to use)
Me: I know how to do this program. Gonna take me like 5 mins max. Then you can copy me
Friend: Yo, brah, i'm not gonna copy off you no more
Me: You sure?? Lemme move my monitor closer so you don't gotta squint when you copy my program. *moves monitor*
Friend: Nah chill brah, I got it.
Me: You want me to email it to you, so when you fail, you can just copy and paste it?
Friend: Nah seriously I got this
Me: Aight whatever

So after like 5 mins, I'm done my program. Looks something like this
cout << please enter number to find the LCF's of << endl;
cin >> number;

for (counter = 0; counter <= num; counter++)
{
if (number % counter ==0)
{
cout << counter << endl;
}
}
So friend looks over.
Friend: Can you help me brah. I can't find the LCM's of 500. My program doesn't work.
Me: Aight.
Other friend: Your suck so much at programming. haha you're horrible.
Me: Look at this. Look at his program.

His program:
If (number != 1) && (number != 2) && (number != 4)  && (number !=5)

friend was like, what are you gonna do, count all the way up to 500?

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lol i never got past level 50 in my first game =P

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