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Quote from: EmperorSteele
failing that, he did inject j-cells into nanaki, but they didnt take with his "whatever the f*** he is" physiology.


Do you really think that he did so? He was supposed to evolve the dying species, mutating them by adding Jenova Cells would be useless. I doubt he kept injecting Jenova Cells into everything he could get a hold of. Maybe he was a mad scientist, but I guess he had brains.

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Quote from: CloudSquall
these are old  :-?


Mind you, the images have already surfaced. But the scans are new, from the newest issue of Famitsu. Text also counts. Even if not understandble.

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Quote from: fuchisasquatch
By intimate you mean close friends right... Cloud wasn't gay was he...? He better not be or ill smash my copy of FF7. (Not that i'm a gay hater or anything, but I have always thought Cloud was cool.)


How does being gay relate to being cool? That's an enigma :z
If you truly look into it you cannot say either that Cloud is gay or straight.. He's somewhat between, and quite confused. On one side we have Sephiroth and Zack, on the second Aerith and Tifa. But I guess if you feel like discussing this topic, post it in this topic.. Oh, and I didn't mean close friends CloudSquall.. It was more of strong brotherhood, though it was even more then that. Zack's death however cut it short. So we never knew what would happen between them..

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Quote from: NeoS
But as I recall, Cloud throws Sephiroth into the reactor, right?

Yes, at the end of the Nibelheim scene. I mentioned it above - afterwards they are found wounded in the reactor and Shin-ra covers up the whole scene.

Quote from: NeoS
(question: She isn't injected with Jenova Cells, so he doesn't have control over her. How the hell would he reveal her thoughts?) Which she obviously doesn't want to share.

This is an example of Sephiroth's manipulation. We know that, Sephiroth knew that, but Tifa didn't. And from her behaviour it was obvious she knew something and didn't want to share.

Quote from: NeoS
Cloud believes Sephiroth and decides to give the black materia to Sephiroth when they encounter him in the whirlwind maze (crater).

Yes.. Sephiroth controlling Cloud as a puppet - knowing him, and having the possibility of control via Jenova Cells he manages both to give him the Black Materia and try to kill Aerith in the Temple of Ancients, and then again giving him the Black Materia at the Northern Crater. I guess Cloud's succumbing under Sephiroth is just repeating a kind of pose from when he was looking up to him as his ideal.

Quote from: NeoS
So, if 2 members knew Zack, they obviously knew he had the buster sword and Cloud didn't. Wouldn't it appear strange that they don't recognize the sword and link it to Zack?

Cloud couldn't remember. The memory of Zack was locked deep within him. Aerith on the second had no idea if Zack ever met Cloud. He told her that he was in SOLDIER - I guess that the Buster Sword wasn't such a rarity there - so Aerith had no point in sharing her private memories. Tifa knew, but she hid it..

I'm quite interested what they are going to do with the Zack and Cloud part in FF7:AC. As he is visiting the grave I guess Square is still putting stress on the importance of Zack's character influence on Cloud.

I guess now that I and my friend came up with such a conclusion it would be good to play FF7 again looking at it from that side and trying to find even more.

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I guess until SquareEnix will release some new images they will be repeated over and over.. But the text is quite important. Maybe they are minor changes, but they might affect the storyline strongly. Only assuming though..

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Bunnie, that's not the point.... :z

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This might be a quite disturbing topic for some of you but I think talking about it won't hurt much. While playing for the n-th time a friend of mine told me to go to Nibelheim and visit the basement. After the long cutscene we sat down and had a long talk - she had a lot to say, and what she said made a lot of sense. Thus we talked and came up with several conclusions...

First of all, Cloud and Zack. Not many take notice of them, as Zack seems to influence only the basic storyline.. Well not exactly. Cloud and Zack are quite bound with each other in a strong yet intimate relationship. Take notice - Mideel Cloud's Mako poisoning is not his first case. After the Nibelheim reactor scene when Cloud throws off Sephiroth, Shin-ra decides to mask everything up - Nibelheim lives again, and both Cloud and Zack are taken into experiment. Zack being exposed to Mako, and being an ex-SOLDIER withstands it, and becomes quite powerful.. Cloud however reacts with Jenova Cell's, and togheter with Mako poisoning and what happened at Nibelheim, he is completely devastated both physically and mentally. The only one that took care of him was Zack. He led him by hand, helped him in every way possible, even decided to take care of him afterwards. Mind you - Cloud's childhood was not one of acceptance. Zack was generally the first one that treated him like an equal and took notice of him. Maybe not the first one that took notice of him. Here is where Sephiroth comes in. Cloud came to Midgar with hopes of a better future, of somehow being noticed. But he failed the SOLDIER test, he became a plain Shin-ra soldier. There he was most probably treated like at home - nobody cared for him much. The second reason why he came to Midgar was because of Sephiroth. He was his hero, the illusionary dream he wanted to reach. And Sephiroth did notice him - maybe because he thought that Cloud might become somebody one day, or maybe he was just toying with him. Nevertheless, Cloud was at Sephiroth's every command. Cloud was so deep in love with Sephiroth, that whatever he would tell Cloud, Cloud would do it. The domination was obvious - adding a sexual side of this relationship even more. He opened up to him. And that is the reason why Sephiroth can easily control Cloud afterwards - it's not only the matter of Jenova cells. Cloud then is betrayed - Sephiroth succumbs to his madness, and thus leaves Cloud with no home, no family, no one. He destroyed almost everything that Cloud had -- and then Cloud lost the only thing that was left as a meaning for him - Sephiroth. After the "death" of Sephiroth for Cloud, he is left wounded in the Mako Reactor. Here we come back to the beginning, where Zack takes care of him.

How does it affect later?
Take note - at the beginning of the flashbacks we don't really know who is talking with Sephiroth at Nibelheim. It's most probably Zack -- it's a dialogue of people who have known each other quite throughouly. Cloud's feeling for Zack were very strong - after losing everything, including Sephiroth, he was left alone, and Zack gave him everything and even more. But not for long - Zack's death came soon, on the very eyes of Cloud. The shock was so strong, that Cloud couldn't accept it. And he didn't. He pushed it away from his memory, forgot about it all, lost the most important part of himself. Here is the moment where all the memories, all his life became blended. Both Zack and Cloud became one. This is why Cloud's Second Mako poisoning is so hard - it just sprang all those memories back. He knew, he felt that it was not him that deserved to live, it was Zack. Living a life of two people, Cloud needed to accept the fact of death of the one that cared for him most and that was the thing that would seperate him to the living Cloud and dead Zack. All along the storyline Sephiroth watches Cloud. After the fall in the Church, the roof and flower bed weren't enough to secure such a fall. Jenova cells, now controlled by Sephiroth, known for the power of regeneration in SOLDIER affected Cloud. By Jenova cells, Sephiroth could continue controlling Cloud - knowing him throughouly it was quite an easy task. He keeps luring him in, confusing even more, making him a more useful puppet, a puppet lost in himself and his own fear.

And what helped him out? His friends. Aerith, who showed that you can feel even after being killed by all your hopes - she led him to understanding that. Tifa, who supported him all along the way, and as an anchor to the past, she played the most important role. She also kept the truth from him, and thus unknowingly she confused him even more. Lifestream was the last chance for Cloud to come back and to understand what has happened. But, Cloud does not stay. He leaves them, he needs to know, and understand. He still hasn't healed.. (quotations are from a Japenese AC trailer) "I don't think I can save anyone. My family, my friends, no one". Standing by Zack's grave (the dead flowers and Zack's sword - a grave he only knew about, took care of it, and made it with his bare hands) he says - "I will live till the moment you did. This is what I have decided". Those who didn't notice what happened between Cloud and Zack won't understand how much it means. And it's quite crucial - it's the reason for which Cloud left..

I guess that's all so far.. If you have anything to discuss, please feel free.. Spare any useless comments.. This topic is serious enough. And please forgive any typing mistakes..

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Quote from: Threesixty
I still think there were plans of a resurrection (...)


Spoilers ahead -

I still don't understand why so many people can't accept the fact that Aerith had to die (It's not a campaign against you Threesixty, it's just the matter that the topic of resurrection was moved). There could not be plans of resurrecting her -- it's inevitable to the storyline. And I don't mean the fact that that Sephiroth kills her - the matter is about Holy. She prayed for it. And her soul HAD to reach the planet for it to work. Listen closely to what Bugenhagen has to say about Holy. If you tried to get her soul back before reaching the planet it would mean death for the planet. I can't get it why so many people have such an infant attitude to the fact - death of a character isn't taboo for a game, so why whenever such a thing happens, not many can accept the fact and start making theories up? Going over the top with "get Aerith by killing Cheese Weapon and giving the Sandwich to the Silver Chocobo" etc. is quite immature. Tis the same with the fact that not many can understand that Cloud had a very strong and quite intimate relationship with Zack - what happened afterwards has a strong effect on Cloud's general behaviour - FFVII is strony psychological, and understanding that helps understanding the characters. It was the same with Sephiroth and Cloud - but that part would need a longer explanation, and I guess I will soon make a topic about it..

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New scans and info from Famitsu--

Scan 1
Scan 2
Monster
Turks poster

New information has surfaced on the new Famitsu magazine in Japan with co-director Yûsuke Naora. With new news on Reno, he uses new techniques with his stun gun which possesses more of a shock-function when used with both hands. The Church in Midgar where Cloud first meets Aeris is more significant where memories of Aeris can be remembered and can lead to more of hints to maybe an appearance in real life.

The church is also significant in the appearance of the unknown creatures that battles Cid and Red XIII as they patrol the streets of Midgar. The church has also in relation to the silver haired trio, Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo. Advent Children will see a release date somewhere towards the end for 2004 on DVD and the PSP in Japan. No EXACT AND DEFINITE release date for the United States and other countries.

Soure - AdventChildren.net / FF7AC.net

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Archive / I realized something...
« on: 2004-08-12 04:40:27 »
The original Seph-Cloud-battle model was deformed...? (will be fighting him soon, will check... - don't feel like extracting..)

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I'm not saying it's not standing...
Just the difference - the garden in the church is a small part of the floor, the garden in AC picture is an open wide space..

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It's just about mistifying.. It's most probably a dream when Cloud meets Aerith.. I guess it's quite normal..

They are standing in the garden I think -- but it was just a place in the church, not an open space..

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Archive / I realized something...
« on: 2004-08-11 14:58:16 »
Quote from: Almighty_gir
well...ive made a good sephiroth model.


Might sound like attacking but it's not.. The model Almighty_gir is mentioning is exactly one of those models that should not be put in the game. Not because of quality - as a B4P model it's ok, but it completely does not hold the FF climate..

I guess with 3d modelling is the same as with drawing... The style can be adequate or it can not.

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General Discussion / Meteorain Glitch?
« on: 2004-08-11 07:49:08 »
Limit Breaks mechanics work this way -

For a ? Levels 2nd Limit Break you need to use 1/1, 2/1 or 3/1 between 6-9 times to get 1/2, 2/2, 3/2.

As for gaining a new Level LB you need to kill a certain amount of monsters -- for each character it's a different number.. I.e. Tifa needs about 70 kills to get LB2, and another 80 kills to get LB3. Cloud however needs 80 kills to get LB2, and (!) 200 kills to get LB3. So usually he is the last in the team to get it..

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Quote from: Relf
July 21 200? :-? , if its supposed to be 2004 there a little behind scheduale arent they?


What are you exactly referring to?

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MOD is a fan-made game for the PC. That's all.

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Word Mark - DAWN OF SOULS   

Goods and Services - IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: COMPUTER GAME SOFTWARE; VIDEO GAME SOFTWARE; PRERECORDED COMPACT DISCS FEATURING MUSIC; PRERECORDED DIGITAL VIDEO DISCS FEATURING MUSIC AND/OR ANIMATED FICTIONAL STORIES; PRERECORDED VIDEO CASSETTES FEATURING MUSIC AND/OR ANIMATED FICTIONAL STORIES; MOUSE PADS; STRAPS FOR CELLULAR PHONES; DOWNLOADABLE WALLPAPERS OR DOWNLOADABLE SCREENSAVERS FOR THE SCREENS OF COMPUTER DISPLAYS OR MOBILE PHONE DISPLAYS; DOWNLOADABLE ANIMATED ACTIVE WALLPAPERS OR SCREEN SAVERS FOR THE SCREEN OF COMPUTER DISPLAYS OR MOBILE PHONE DISPLAYS; DOWNLOADABLE MUSICAL SOUND RECORDINGS; DOWNLOADABLE ELECTRONIC PUBLICATIONS IN THE FIELD OF COMPUTER GAMES; VIDEO GAMES AND GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT

IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: COMPUTER GAME STRATEGY GUIDEBOOKS; VIDEO GAME STRATEGY GUIDEBOOKS; A SERIES OF BOOKS FEATURING FICTIONAL AND/OR FANTASY STORIES; SONG BOOKS; MUSICAL SCORE BOOKS; COMIC BOOKS; MAGAZINES FEATURING VIDEO GAMES; POSTERS; STICKERS; PAPER BANNERS; CALENDARS; POSTCARDS; PENS; PENCILS; PENCIL CAPS; PEN CASES; TRADING CARDS; COLLECTORS' CARDS FEATURING VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS OR CARTOON CHARACTERS; PHOTOGRAPHS

Standard Characters Claimed      

Mark Drawing Code
- (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK   

Serial Number - 78456727   

Filing Date - July 26, 2004   

Current Filing Basis - 1B   

Original Filing Basis - 1B   

Owner - (APPLICANT) KABUSHIKI KAISHA SQUARE ENIX, also trading as SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. CORPORATION JAPAN 3-22-7 YOYOGI, SHIBUYA-KU TOKYO JAPAN   

Attorney of Record - Mark I. Peroff   

Type of Mark - TRADEMARK   

Register - PRINCIPAL   

Live/Dead Indicator - LIVE

(Before Crisis has two entries - s/n 78405117 and 78454075)

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Well... Still, I liked the older one..

Anybody checked out the Memory of Despair project?

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Archive / I realized something...
« on: 2004-08-10 06:24:36 »
Making a h-q model and making a screenshot of it is one thing, putting it in your own game engine is a different thing, and adding it to an already existent engine.. especially FF7's... When rewriting everything it might be possible, but adding it in a way you mentioned is quite impossible..
And PS2 quality... well.. good luck with achieving it. I saw some higher-poly FF related models running around but they differed too much from the original, and I would definaetly not put them into the game if I were to decide (Q3 mods etc.).

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I liked your other av...

I think chances for a different platform release other then the PS or something GB-related are very, very low.. I think that S-E has no interest in Nokia whatsoever...

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Archive / Tifa a'la Advent
« on: 2004-08-09 19:44:42 »
Sorry for taking my time..

This is the file - Tifa Patch ..

Usage :

- Backup your battle.lgp from the /data/battle directory.
- Unpack both battle.ips and tools.exe to that directory.
- Run tools.exe
- Select "Use IPS", choose battle.ips, choose battle.lgp, wait for it to patch, and see if it works

Please post if it did..

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Archive / Sephiroth Patch and.....
« on: 2004-08-09 19:39:01 »
Sorry for reviving, but I guess making a new topic would be useless...

I've got both the normal and TNT version of the S-Patch, so feel free to ask..

And the thing is.
Many mentioned about the cooperation between Sephiroth and Vincent files... Well, found another one.
During the battle with Jenova*Birth I completely forgot I can't use LB's above 1/1, and by mistake used 2/1.
Expecting a crash I just waited... and.. well... Sephiroth made some moves.. and turned into Galian Beast ... weirdest of all, a functional one.. It attacked like with Berserk Dance, but without the sign, it had a perfect magic and summon animation. Huuh. It could die, be revived, etc. Didn't manage to see Galian's LB. Ha! Would be funny.

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All we know for now is the title. And we do not know to what this title relates to.

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Most probably...

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S-E Trademarks

Square-Enix has applied for two trademarks with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. They are Before Crisis and Dawn of Souls. What Dawn of Souls is would be anyone’s guess, but perhaps that Before Crisis trademark is evidence of a North American release.

Source : AdventChildren.net

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