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The girl who sings the opening song of the Tom Sawyer anime (that I watched when I was a kid) told me :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbo-hFs6cI8
Translation of the lyrics :
Tom Sawyer, it's America - the symbol of freedom.
He was born on the shores of the Mississipi,
Tom Sawyer is for all of us a friend.
He's always ready to go on adventures
With his good friends.
He fears nothing,
He's an american.
He likes school,
Especially when it's far away from him.
Tom Sawyer, it's America,
For all those who like truth.
He know the wonders
That you find in forests
Paths, rivers and old dirt roads.
He has fabulous items in his pockets
He always takes with him.
Three pieces of strings
Some rocks and wood
He shares with his friends.
Even though I'm not american, I love this song xD I wonder : if this anime was also aired in the US, are the lyrics the same ?
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haha, there's nothing wrong in America like war, corruption, crime, death, or pollution. The song speaks the truth :evil:
There are HDTVs and cookies though xD
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Bandit Keith would love this song.
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The 10 seconds of that intro that I watched was filled with so many inaccurate stereotypes I couldn't take it. I hope that show never made it to my country (USA).
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whenever somebody mentions that America is the symbol of freedom, i agree if he's not talking about USA.
if he says that USA is the symbol of freedom i recall all the security paranoia nowadays ( including TSA ) , and george carlin's show
containing the quote "US - country founded by slave owners, who wanted to be free"
more here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJmYnHdvsc
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Aw, come on! You guys are no fun - you should actually be proud :(
After all, I spent my childhood dreaming about America (which was the same as the US in my young mind), this place I could see in movies
that freed my country from nazism, and where everything is big / everyone is cool ^_^ :P
There's too much anti-americanism out there...
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I also especially like school when it's far away from me.
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Bandit Keith would love this song.
In America
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"Free" is just in the sense of its citizens are free to say and act without fear of government reprisal or censorship. In that sense, yes, it's still free. Just because security is strict right now (and the ones that don't fly like me don't even notice much difference) doesn't mean that our liberties are revoked.
After all, I spent my childhood dreaming about America (which was the same as the US in my young mind), this place I could see in movies
that freed my country from nazism, and where everything is big / everyone is cool ^_^ :P
See, this is propaganda. Most Americans (by which I mean US residents) don't see that and they believe that they're in the best place to be. It's a little less invasive than, say, Nazi propaganda was, but it's still playing up life here. That's the way capitalism works (it's an overrated system). You, the marketer, make the consumer think that they either can't live without or will be happier with whatever you're trying to sell. In the worst cases, marketers try to convince you that you AREN'T REALLY HAPPY and that their goods can fill a void YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD!! I HATE watching commercials on TV because of that. There have never been informative commercials. They're always trying to show people happier or more successful because they own things. I'm much more socialist anyway. Lots of people in the US would love to be socialist. When 90% of a country's wealth is being held by 3% of its population you have an unbalanced system.
Just as much as it was up-sold to you I could down-sell it just as much. Don't fool yourself into believing that the US has no problems and is the world's best-buddy.
I also especially like school when it's far away from me.
I recall Twain's Sawyer frequently skipping school too...
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They're always trying to show people happier or more successful because they own things.
Yeah, I remember this commercial they used to have for medicine to treat herpes outbreaks. The people in the commercial all looked so happy and fulfilled. It's like "if you don't have herpes, you better contract it so you can buy our medicine and be as happy as these people". Every commercial, every product, is marketed that way. Well, either that way or with fear. Envy and fear, they probably sell the best.
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Well, you're right NFITC1 (even though I just go to the bathroom, when ads come up on TV). You're right, but... ...everyone, sing with me this propaganda! ;D
Tom Sawyer, c'est l'Amérique
Le symbole de la liberté
Il est né sur les bords du fleuve Mississipi
Tom Sawyer c'est pour nous tous un ami
Il est toujours prêt pour tenter l'aventure
Avec ses bons copains
Il n'a peur de rien
C'est un Américain
Il aime l'école
Surtout quand elle est loin
Tom Sawyer, c'est l'Amérique
Le symbole de la liberté
Il est né sur les bords du fleuve Mississipi
Tom Sawyer c'est pour nous tous un ami
Tom Sawyer, c'est l'Amérique
Pour tous ceux qui aiment la vérité
Il connaît les merveilles
Qui sont dans la forêt
Les chemins, les rivières et les sentiers
Il a dans ses poches des objets fabuleux
Qu'il emporte avec lui
Trois bouts de ficelles
Quelques pierres et du bois
Il les partage avec tous ses amis
Tom Sawyer, c'est l'Amérique
Pour tous ceux qui aiment la liberté
Il est né sur les bords du fleuve Mississipi
Tom Sawyer c'est pour nous tous un ami
Il est né sur les bords du fleuve Mississipi
Tom Sawyer c'est pour nous tous un ami
...Oh yeah, and I also like school when it's far away from me.
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Aw, come on! You guys are no fun - you should actually be proud :(
After all, I spent my childhood dreaming about America (which was the same as the US in my young mind), this place I could see in movies
that freed my country from nazism, and where everything is big / everyone is cool ^_^ :P
There's too much anti-americanism out there...
Hey! We freed you from Nazism too! Hollywood "historical" films do not accurately represent the nationalities of the soldiers who fought on the Western front. :(
I'm waiting for next year's blockbuster, in which Mel Gibson plays the heroic American explorer Christopher Columbus, who discovers Europe and liberates it from the evil, baby-eating king of England! ;D
That's the way capitalism works (it's an overrated system). You, the marketer, make the consumer think that they either can't live without or will be happier with whatever you're trying to sell. In the worst cases, marketers try to convince you that you AREN'T REALLY HAPPY and that their goods can fill a void YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD!! I HATE watching commercials on TV because of that. There have never been informative commercials. They're always trying to show people happier or more successful because they own things. I'm much more socialist anyway. Lots of people in the US would love to be socialist. When 90% of a country's wealth is being held by 3% of its population you have an unbalanced system.
American conspicuous consumption, retarded though it is, is what makes the US economy so strong and so conducive to innovation. If people were happy with what they already had, we'd have no need to improve anything. Just look at how much the home PC market has changed in the past 20 years; there's no way that would have been possible if people weren't constantly looking for something better. If it weren't for that American attitude, we'd all still be paying $2000 for desktops with a 1GB HDD. Mass-market laptops probably wouldn't exist.
Sure, some people get exploited, but no-one forces anyone to buy anything. If you're too stupid to see through advertising BS and thus get tricked into spending all your money on things that you don't really want, then you deserve to be a tool for making ambitious business and engineering ventures financially viable.
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Sure, some people get exploited, but no-one forces anyone to buy anything. If you're too stupid to see through advertising BS and thus get tricked into spending all your money on things that you don't really want, then you deserve to be a tool for making ambitious business and engineering ventures financially viable.
Hmmm. Can't say I agree. My SO used to work for an online school. Turned out they were simply ripping people off. High pressure sales tactics to get students enrolled, even is the sales reps knew the students a) didn't really have enough money or b) weren't smart enough to finish school. (Not to mention the fact that online degrees aren't acknowledged for credits by most institutions, and employers tend to scoff at them.)
Smart people preying on the dumb just doesn't sit right with me (or my SO who quit after seeing the dirt under the rug). I realize that swindling is part of American history (I am familiar with how some families with big names really got their fortune, before business rules were more strident). But. I dunno, maybe I'm a socialist at heart, as well. I just feel sorry for those poor people who spend their last cent on something that they think is really going to improve their lives, only to get ripped off.
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Sure, some people get exploited, but no-one forces anyone to buy anything. If you're too stupid to see through advertising BS and thus get tricked into spending all your money on things that you don't really want, then you deserve to be a tool for making ambitious business and engineering ventures financially viable.
Hmmm. Can't say I agree. My SO used to work for an online school. Turned out they were simply ripping people off. High pressure sales tactics to get students enrolled, even is the sales reps knew the students a) didn't really have enough money or b) weren't smart enough to finish school. (Not to mention the fact that online degrees aren't acknowledged for credits by most institutions, and employers tend to scoff at them.)
Smart people preying on the dumb just doesn't sit right with me (or my SO who quit after seeing the dirt under the rug). I realize that swindling is part of American history (I am familiar with how some families with big names really got their fortune, before business rules were more strident). But. I dunno, maybe I'm a socialist at heart, as well. I just feel sorry for those poor people who spend their last cent on something that they think is really going to improve their lives, only to get ripped off.
Yes, you're clearly a socialist. Go back to Russia! ;D
And if you insist on feeling sorry for people who don't take the time to think about whether they really need that iProduct (I don't), remember that they wouldn't have had money to waste in the first place if it weren't for the prosperity that results from a consumer economy. This rampant consumerism is what has funded the tremendous technological progress of the past hundred or so years.
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There's too much anti-americanism out there...
This...
However, I can't say that a lot of it is unwarranted.
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well what america stands for and what it has turned into are 2 different things. The fucking liberals have raped this country and all the morals the founders stood for. I agree if you hate america now, but don't hate on americans, because most of them who matter don't meddle in politics, and ruin this country. And if that doesn't work for you, just remember who pulled your sorry asses out of genocide and war, both in the 1910s and the 1940s. Whaa we can't defeat the nazis ourselves, come bail us out. There you go, that's my opinion.
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well what america stands for and what it has turned into are 2 different things. The f*cking liberals have raped this country and all the morals the founders stood for. I agree if you hate america now, but don't hate on americans, because most of them who matter don't meddle in politics, and ruin this country. And if that doesn't work for you, just remember who pulled your sorry asses out of genocide and war, both in the 1910s and the 1940s. Whaa we can't defeat the nazis ourselves, come bail us out. There you go, that's my opinion.
Actually, the English and Russians did much more to defeat the Nazi's than the Americans.
Americans mostly supplied ammo and supplies to the allies (essential) but didn't really get involved that much in the european front on a grand scale until the germans were already having issues. the russians did much more to weaken germany than the US.
The US was mostly concerned with Japan as they were, after all, the ones who actually attacked them. Still, the US's part was not negligeable on some battles (like Normandy) but I think the Nazi's would have lost still even without the direct military intervention of the US. But it would have taken longer.
As for WW1, I don't believe the US got involved to any major extent. I think Canada had more of an impact on that one being an English colony and all. Of course, I don't know that much about WW1 apart from how it got started ...
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Well, I'm pretty sure Russia and England woulda been fucked if we hadn't gotten them supplies, told them how to fight, and been the ones to storm berlin and push Hitler to suicide. I also think that the number of death camps we freed says a little bit about how much ass we kick. And WW1, that was a different story. We kicked MORE ass. Basically, Europe was in a war, england was losing, so we came over and ended it within a year.
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Well, I'm pretty sure Russia and England woulda been f*cked if we hadn't gotten them supplies, told them how to fight, and been the ones to storm berlin and push Hitler to suicide. I also think that the number of death camps we freed says a little bit about how much ass we kick. And WW1, that was a different story. We kicked MORE ass. Basically, Europe was in a war, england was losing, so we came over and ended it within a year.
that's a weird way of looking at it, almost to say the US single-handedly ended both world wars. Without the coordinated efforts of all the allied nations, there is no way either World War would have been ended as quickly or decisively. Take any of the major nations out of the allied pool of troops and WW2 could have easily turned out much differently.
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Well, I'm pretty sure Russia and England woulda been f*cked if we hadn't gotten them supplies, told them how to fight, and been the ones to storm berlin and push Hitler to suicide. I also think that the number of death camps we freed says a little bit about how much ass we kick. And WW1, that was a different story. We kicked MORE ass. Basically, Europe was in a war, england was losing, so we came over and ended it within a year.
Where should I start?
Firstly, it was the Russians who took Berlin and drove Hitler to suicide.
Secondly, there's a big difference between tipping the scales in a finely balanced war and winning it single handedly. Would WWII have been lost if it weren't for the Americans? Possibly. But it also would have been lost if the British hadn't fought. Or if the Russians hadn't fought. Or if the French hadn't fought. Or if the Canadians hadn't fought. Or if the Greeks hadn't fought. Or if the Italians hadn't fought so badly that Hitler had to delay his invasion of Russia just to save their arses. Italy is a f*cking liability; perhaps we should be more grateful to them? ;D
Thirdly, WWI was a complete stalemate when the US entered; the British weren't losing at all. In fact, if anything, the British may well have been the ones to win even if the US hadn't sent any troops. The British naval blockade on German ports was so bad that Germans were starving. If the Americans hadn't got involved, the Germans may have become so hungry that they'd have had a communist revolution like the Russians and ended the war forthwith. The Americans were just the straw that broke the camel's back. A back that might well have broken anyway.
Fourthly, the Europeans saved your arse in the American war of independence. I bet they don't teach that in American history classes, do they? Those people who whine that Americans don't get praised enough for profiting from selling weapons to the Europeans in WWII never acknowledge that they wouldn't have stood a chance against the British without the support of several major European powers. They don't even know that they got any help. So the next time you complain about the Europeans being ungrateful, just remember that you would be singing "God Save the Queen" if it weren't for the French. The French. Goddamn, that's embarrassing. ;D
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Fourthly, the Europeans saved your arse in the American war of independence. I bet they don't teach that in American history classes, do they? All of those people whining that Americans don't get praised enough for profiting from selling weapons to the Europeans in WWII don't acknowledge that they wouldn't have stood a chance against the British without the support of several major European powers. They don't even know that they got any help. So the next time you complain about the Europeans being ungrateful, just remember that you would be singing "God Save the Queen" if it weren't for the French. The French. Goddamn, that's embarrassing. ;D
shhhhh.... we're trying our hardest to keep that one under the rug ;)
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Fourthly, the Europeans saved your arse in the American war of independence. I bet they don't teach that in American history classes, do they? All of those people whining that Americans don't get praised enough for profiting from selling weapons to the Europeans in WWII don't acknowledge that they wouldn't have stood a chance against the British without the support of several major European powers. They don't even know that they got any help. So the next time you complain about the Europeans being ungrateful, just remember that you would be singing "God Save the Queen" if it weren't for the French. The French. Goddamn, that's embarrassing. ;D
shhhhh.... we're trying our hardest to keep that one under the rug ;)
Too bad. You've been letting a lot of things slip recently (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=11112.0). ;D
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well what america stands for and what it has turned into are 2 different things. The f*cking liberals conservatives have raped this country and all the morals the founders stood for. I agree if you hate america now, but don't hate on americans, because most of them who matter don't meddle in politics, and ruin this country.
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well what america stands for and what it has turned into are 2 different things. The f*cking liberals conservatives politicians in general, and the two party system have raped this country and all the morals the founders stood for. I agree if you hate america now, but don't hate on americans, because most of them who matter don't meddle in politics, and ruin this country.
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Fixed fo' realz.
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well what america stands for and what it has turned into are 2 different things. The f*cking liberals conservatives have raped this country and all the morals the founders stood for. I agree if you hate america now, but don't hate on americans, because most of them who matter don't meddle in politics, and ruin this country both the Democrats and the Republicans are completely insane ideological extremists who have contributed equally to destroying everything the founding fathers fought for with their stupidity and closed-minded tunnel vision
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Not that British politics are any better. In fact, they're worse. US politics may have weird false dichotomies and a two-party system in which said two parties have arbitrary policies, but at least you have a choice. Here, the main parties are more-or-less indistinguishable. Whenever a party introduces a policy that the population hates, the opposition falls over itself to agree with them.
The Iraq war is an example. The people were against it, but both main parties supported it. In the 2004 presidential election, people who were against it had the choice to vote for Kerry and stand a good chance of seeing him win. In the 2005 British general election, we'd be stuck with a pro-war party either way.
The current government copied from Blair, who in turn copied from the Tories. We have Tories pretending to be Labour pretending to be Tories.
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fuck you, ninja Covarr! ;D
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Well its a little hard to argue with a bunch of english ninnies about something none of us experienced. Clearly thinking I had any chance of successfully arguing a point with people who hate Americans with a passion wasn't the right thing to do. It does make me wonder what a Marine would have to say about any of it.
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ninnies
MeOW!
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Well its a little hard to argue with a bunch of english ninnies about something none of us experienced. Clearly thinking I had any chance of successfully arguing a point with people who hate Americans with a passion wasn't the right thing to do. It does make me wonder what a Marine would have to say about any of it.
Something about jackwagons i reckon.
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Well its a little hard to argue with a bunch of english ninnies about something none of us experienced. Clearly thinking I had any chance of successfully arguing a point with people who hate Americans with a passion wasn't the right thing to do. It does make me wonder what a Marine would have to say about any of it.
Something about jackwagons i reckon.
Haha well an Ex-Marine therapist wasn't exactly what I had in mind.
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Well its a little hard to argue with a bunch of english ninnies about something none of us experienced. Clearly thinking I had any chance of successfully arguing a point with people who hate Americans with a passion wasn't the right thing to do.
And it's more than a little hard to argue with someone whose knowledge of history is taken from Jerry Bruckheimer films. ;D
But yeah, we must hate America if we insist on correcting lies. After all, lies are what patriotism is built on. If we correct lies, we are attacking the very foundations of patriotism!
There's something very Stephen Colbert about that...
It does make me wonder what a Marine would have to say about any of it.
This is a hideously obvious attempt to get obesebear to use his mod powers on me just because I challenged the belief that the US has won every single war it has ever fought single-handedly and is the sole saviour and protector of Western civilisation to which we are forever indebted.
I do hope he won't fall for it.
I also wish Hermoor was back. I'd like to see what he'd make of all this. You two could have had a competition to see who knows the least about history and geopolitics and who has the most unwarranted jingoistic beliefs.
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No actually, I just wanted to know what his opinion was. And you'er still falling back to hermoor? Wasn't that joke voted stupid a few weeks ago?
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Seems I have been beckoned to this thread. Therefore I shall dispense upon thee my feelings on this matter...
I don't really give a shit about history.
Now then, please continue.
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That's the way capitalism works (it's an overrated system). You, the marketer, make the consumer think that they either can't live without or will be happier with whatever you're trying to sell. In the worst cases, marketers try to convince you that you AREN'T REALLY HAPPY and that their goods can fill a void YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD!! I HATE watching commercials on TV because of that. There have never been informative commercials. They're always trying to show people happier or more successful because they own things. I'm much more socialist anyway. Lots of people in the US would love to be socialist. When 90% of a country's wealth is being held by 3% of its population you have an unbalanced system.
American conspicuous consumption, retarded though it is, is what makes the US economy so strong and so conducive to innovation. If people were happy with what they already had, we'd have no need to improve anything. Just look at how much the home PC market has changed in the past 20 years; there's no way that would have been possible if people weren't constantly looking for something better. If it weren't for that American attitude, we'd all still be paying $2000 for desktops with a 1GB HDD. Mass-market laptops probably wouldn't exist.
Sure, some people get exploited, but no-one forces anyone to buy anything. If you're too stupid to see through advertising BS and thus get tricked into spending all your money on things that you don't really want, then you deserve to be a tool for making ambitious business and engineering ventures financially viable.
But the average John Q Public doesn't care about bettering themselves, just making themselves happy. Just as the upper echelon of the country's population has 90% of its wealth, another upper echelon (mostly apart from the rich one) has 90% of its intelligence too. The US's economy is strong by exploiting the weak and feeble-minded into getting things to make them "happy" rather than to make them better people. The nation itself isn't really evolving and this upper intelligence echelon that is in power are really the ones that direct the country's development.
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Seems I have been beckoned to this thread. Therefore I shall dispense upon thee my feelings on this matter...
I don't really give a sh*t about history.
Now then, please continue.
Damn you and your super short ninja posts Obesebear! Did you ever stop to think for once, that people (like myself) like to read your posts! :x I think your being stingy :P
If I may be so bold here, I see this thread has words like: "ninnies" and "jackwagon" and even "upper echelon" now I hate to get all your hopes up but...
WHO THE HELL KNOWS WHO DID WHAT!. After the wikileaks documentation was released who knows what really goes on behind the scenes, all of you only go by what little is released in the media or internet. Point is pride, I would incite a massive flame war if I said "US would wipe the whole of Europe off the face of the globe without breaking a sweat!" would I be right? probably. But that would mean less for us (USA) decreasing our "power" as a country. We are a global economy we NEED each other, no country can stand alone, every country needs to import and export from other country/s.
NO COUNTRY HAS THE POWER TO STAND ALONE.
So calm down peeps the song is just your typical US propaganda, every country has one or two.
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So calm down peeps
This is one of the best posts I've ever seen in a political thread on any forum ever.
I've noticed that when politics are involved, folks have a tendency to get angry if you simply disagree with them. This whole thread is filled with name-calling and aggression. Honestly, you embarrass yourselves when you behave like this. Besides, the vast majority of people who argue about politics have NO IDEA how any of it works, or what actually goes on in various offices.
In the US, the loudest Democrats (such as Bill Maher) despise George W Bush, speak out with contempt against him, treat him as either the most evil or the most stupid president ever to live. The loudest Republicans (such as Bill O'Reilly) do the same for Barack Obama. But these presidents, no matter how different their views, would never say something like this about each other. They understand the efforts that each other have put in, the difficulty of the work, and they realize that even though they have different opinions on what the country needs, they're both trying to do what they feel is right.
These guys know how to behave in a respectful manner. Let's see if we can follow that example.
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No actually, I just wanted to know what his opinion was.
Sure you were ;D
And you'er still falling back to hermoor? Wasn't that joke voted stupid a few weeks ago?
I don't recall a democratic election. Not that it would matter if there were one; comparing someone to Hermoor is still this forum's equivalent of comparing someone to Hitler.
I don't really give a sh*t about history
But you should know better than that, bear-kun. :P You've been to the Middle-East, right? What's going on in that part of the world is a classic example of what happens when history is used as a propaganda tool.
But the average John Q Public doesn't care about bettering themselves, just making themselves happy. Just as the upper echelon of the country's population has 90% of its wealth, another upper echelon (mostly apart from the rich one) has 90% of its intelligence too. The US's economy is strong by exploiting the weak and feeble-minded into getting things to make them "happy" rather than to make them better people. The nation itself isn't really evolving and this upper intelligence echelon that is in power are really the ones that direct the country's development.
You say that like it's a bad thing. 8-)
Point is pride, I would incite a massive flame war if I said "US would wipe the whole of Europe off the face of the globe without breaking a sweat!" would I be right? probably.
Any of the established nuclear powers could send any of the others back to the Stone Age. Mutually assured destruction FTW! ;D
So calm down peeps
This is one of the best posts I've ever seen in a political thread on any forum ever.
I've noticed that when politics are involved, folks have a tendency to get angry if you simply disagree with them. This whole thread is filled with name-calling and aggression. Honestly, you embarrass yourselves when you behave like this. Besides, the vast majority of people who argue about politics have NO IDEA how any of it works, or what actually goes on in various offices.
Pfft. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just having fun here. It's rare for me to be seriously bothered by arguments on the internet. :mrgreen:
In the US, the loudest Democrats (such as Bill Maher) despise George W Bush, speak out with contempt against him, treat him as either the most evil or the most stupid president ever to live. The loudest Republicans (such as Bill O'Reilly) do the same for Barack Obama. But these presidents, no matter how different their views, would never say something like this about each other. They understand the efforts that each other have put in, the difficulty of the work, and they realize that even though they have different opinions on what the country needs, they're both trying to do what they feel is right.
Sounds boring.
In Britain, leading politicians, including the Prime Minister, openly insult each other, to each others' faces, live on TV. It's very entertaining.
You should start doing that in the US. The ratings would be incredible.
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I can't help suspect KM would be far less optimistic about the efficiency of the private sector if he'd worked with some of the 'big guns' as clients. They really aren't the rigorously organized, efficient and entrepreneurial machines you think. And I'm talking about IT - if these guys can't innovate, we're all MAKOed!
But that is a matter for another time, and maybe more concerns large vs small than public vs private.
Oh, and I like how guitar_man_9001 or whatever thinks admins take kindly to some pretty transparent attempts at manipulation. Back in the days I was a moderator (reclines in chair, places pipe in mouth), that usually meant first place on our MAKOlist.
We really didn't appreciate it.
In Britain, leading politicians, including the Prime Minister, openly insult each other, to each others' faces, live on TV. It's very entertaining.
One caveat, though - an MP can't call another politician a liar. He might say 'economical with the truth', or cast aspersions on his opponent's 'research', but can't *actually* claim deceit.
Not that even these 'workarounds' get used much in practice; the public just doesn't really care. I suppose we just sort of assume politicians are a bunch of MAKOs right from the off, so we can only then be pleasantly surprised.
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Hmmm why are using my name Bosola? In such a weird fashion? It's almost as if the "badword" filter is using my name instead....
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I can't help suspect KM would be far less optimistic about the efficiency of the private sector if he'd worked with some of the 'big guns' as clients. They really aren't the rigorously organized, efficient and entrepreneurial machines you think. And I'm talking about IT - if these guys can't innovate, we're all ****ed!
But that is a matter for another time, and maybe more concerns large vs small than public vs private.
Are you talking about dealing with the IT demands of non-IT oriented companies or with actual IT companies? In either case, it's all relative; the public sector's ability to deal with IT is hideous, so I've heard and so I've witnessed. Hell, I hear that the government itself still uses IE6 when it's not losing the personal data of millions of people by leaving USB sticks on the bus.
In Britain, leading politicians, including the Prime Minister, openly insult each other, to each others' faces, live on TV. It's very entertaining.
One caveat, though - an MP can't call another politician a liar. He might say 'economical with the truth', or cast aspersions on his opponent's 'research', but can't *actually* claim deceit.
He might be able to get away with it if he claims to have been "tired and emotional" at the time. ;D
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When did Mako's name become a swear word? That's an insult to the poor girl. >:(
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Are you talking about dealing with the IT demands of non-IT oriented companies or with actual IT companies? In either case, it's all relative; the public sector's ability to deal with IT is hideous, so I've heard and so I've witnessed. Hell, I hear that the government itself still uses IE6 when it's not losing the personal data of millions of people by leaving USB sticks on the bus.
Trust me, that's far worse than some of the big private sector names do. I mean both non-IT and IT/comms companies.
I'm a bit too paranoid about my employer seeing this to say much specific [tinfoils], but I can say that a major - I mean massive organization - much famed for its 'entrepreneurial drive' - in reality just leaps from catastrophe to catastrophe. And their IT department is a total joke.
PM me if you care for details. Honestly, our public sector clients might be iffy, but *these* guys were something else. Another couple of biggies were pretty poor, too.
He might be able to get away with it if he claims to have been "tired and emotional" at the time.
Or if 'God told him to do it'. Thanks Tone!
When did Mako's name become a swear word? That's an insult to the poor girl. >:(
Oh, MAKO off.
Anyway, it's
* four letters
* FF7-related
* less explicit than calling Tony Blair a 'King Kanute'.
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When did Mako's name become a swear word? That's an insult to the poor girl. >:(
Oh, MAKO off.
Anyway, it's
* four letters
* FF7-related
* less explicit than calling Tony Blair a 'King Kanute'.
Oh no you don't. I'm prepared to defend to the death the honor of a stranger on the internet that I've never actually met >:( :x >:(
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Bosola why are you manually typing my name in as a replacement for a vulgar word?.
Like Kudistos said, I take this as an insult! Why are you doing this? I have done nothing to insult you have I?
I would prefer if you stoped, I know you are not breaking any rules...it's just a matter of being repectful.
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Oh, go HOJO yourselves!
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I fail to see the joke.
I know you "don't care" what I think. But I thought you were one of the nice ones?...You even pointed me in the right direction once. How is it nice to basically tell me to go [insert any word here] myself?
If you are trying to imply that you "randomly" pulled Mako out of your hat of random words, I would highly doubt that...
aether way its very distasteful...If there was something I have done to upset you, let me know I will try and fix it :/.
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If you are trying to imply that you "randomly" pulled Mako out of your hat of random words, I would highly doubt that...
I did. Don't believe me? There's not an awful lot I can really do to prove things either way. Misread a medium without intonation or nonverbal cues? That's the nature of text. Upset? That's not fortunate, but the internet demands a thicker skin.
If you're going to get upset that someone uses the source of your name, taken from FF7, as generic placeholder for swearing in an FF7-focussed context, what's going to happen when you meet someone who really is attacking you? If you can tie yourself in knots even over something well-meaning, then I really don't think forums are going to give you much pleasure.
I'm serious. I'm certainly not suggesting that you leave, but I don't see how someone can react this way and enjoy internet discussions. I know - as well as anyone - how easy it is to attribute malice or anger to a text that just wasn't worded properly. Worse, I've started flamewars all on the cue of some misgauged joke. But I've seen enough to know I can't jump to conclusions about posts and the intentions behind them.
What do you think my tone is? What do you think I feel? Anger? Superiority? Nervous insecurity? Sympathy? Whimsical pleasure? Boredom? Do you know? How could you? How could any of us know either how to respond, or what we're responding to? And that's entirely why you have to disinvest from forums in general. You don't have to become cold, but you do have to take a different attitude. You have to hang fire before responding, think of other meanings that are reasonable. If you don't, you'll find yourself hurt.
I know you "don't care" what I think.
No, no, no, no! You've built this entire persona out of a few misread lines. You can probably hear me speak, watch me snicker, congratulating myself on a particularly well-worded snipe. And likewise, I can see you huff indignantly, close Firefox and fire up Dragon Age to calm your nerves. Except I can't, because that would be a massive assumption - an unjustified, sweeping conclusion founded on... what is that, eight words? Eight? And likewise, you've no way of knowing what I think, feel, how I react or... well, *much* beyond what I've said in a few scattered paragraphs.
You've *got* to stop doing this! Or do you? There's the rub. I've probably misread you. There as many possible readings of a post as pebbles on the beach. And that's exactly the problem here.
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Let's just all apologize and move along ::)
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No offence, but your response was a long winded "get a thicker skin" and "it was random" trust me I am not so easily offended by such words...
I was just wondering what provoked to what seemed like a random attack. Tell me this, why would I need to get a thicker skin if your comment wasn't meant for me?.
Example: Why don't you go Bosola yourself! what..its random I swear! Your trying to tell me out of all the words in the Final Fantasy 7 universe only one came to mind? I'd sat that Bosola!
While I do have a tenancy to over react, I just was taken off guard by your tasteless comment and I simply do not buy the very transparent excuse that followed, no matter how lengthy the post may seem.
So wile the rest of your post seemed to hint at me not "knowing you" or simply didn't understand what you meant by one simple post, this is false when someone says:
I suppose we just sort of assume politicians are a bunch of MAKOs right from the off
I know when an insult is made, I don't need it to be explained, or your life story to understand. Also give such a poor follow up one can only be taken back, but I guess your right to sum up your comment "How do you know" and your right i don't.
I have stood with the best of them taking insult/s from the likes of hermoor/jari/others and lived through with "a thick skin" but do note I can be very "thick skinned" at times. You just took me off guard, and it was very unexpected as you were in the nice pile of members in my book.
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Bosola's long post should have read : "I never even once thought about you when I typed the mako words, you gotta believe me. I'm sorry about that, and I won't do it again."
There, drama over. Bosola just likes to be patronizing /give lessons / have that "holier than thou" attitude. This is how he is. Just don't mind him.
What do you think my tone is? What do you think I feel? Anger? Superiority? Nervous insecurity? Sympathy? Whimsical pleasure? Boredom? Do you know? How could you? How could any of us know either how to respond, or what we're responding to?
While I agree with you that there was no need to get one's panties in a mess over your mako words (it was obvious you never had Mako -the person- in mind), I disagree with you here. Don't underestimate the power of words. You can tell many things from a person just by reading his/her posts. Sometimes, it's even easier to figure a person out by reading his posts, than by hearing him talk.
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Bosola just likes to be patronizing /give lessons / have that "holier than thou" attitude. This is how he is. Just don't mind him.
Not really. I just flamed you once when I was pissed off at work. It was unfair and unpleasant, but I don't think it reflects on how I really act and think normally. I hope not, anyway.
I was just wondering what provoked to what seemed like a random attack. Tell me this, why would I need to get a thicker skin if your comment wasn't meant for me?.
Maybe I should condense what I was saying:
* 'Mako' was chosen randomly (and quite some time ago, too, if you look at my post history)
* You misread the posts
* Because it's easy to misread posts, you will find it easier to hang fire before interpreting.
That third point looks like 'get a thicker skin', but it's actually more to do with how we read and judge the tone of posts. In practice, because it's difficult, we have to 'disengage' from forums, but that's not quite the same thing as 'pull yourself together and take it on the chin'.
While I do have a tenancy to over react, I just was taken off guard by your tasteless comment and I simply do not buy the very transparent excuse that followed, no matter how lengthy the post may seem.
But *why* would I choose your name? Doesn't it make sense to use a four-letter FF7 word to replace other four letter words in a forum about, well a lot of Squaresoft RPGs, but mostly FF7?
And what's my motive? You've never done anything to me and you've posted supportive things on my Youtube channel. Go by that evidence.
I suppose we just sort of assume politicians are a bunch of MAKOs right from the off
Re-reading this, I wonder if you think I'm resurrecting those old rumours that you're a 'fake' member, that Mako and politicians are both liars? Is that why you think I chose the word? That's the most obvious connection I can make. It's not something that occurred to me at the time.
There's not really much more I can say on all this.
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Perhaps we can all just drop this. Mako, you have perceived a slight against you and bosola says this was not the intent of his post. I doubt any apologies are going to be given out but I would not like this to turn into a flamewar in which I would have to do anything against respected members.
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This has all become a discussion about how slippery words are, so I'll speak plain.
I am sorry, because I don't want to hurt anyone. I'm sure Mako is sincere, but I feel angry, too, because I made what I thought would be read as a friendly gesture, and was attacked for it. I know why Armorvil thinks the way he does, and I regret acting the way I did, but I thought we'd made amends, and this leaves me confused.
I don't want to continue this, so I'll follow Sl1982's cue and leave it at that.
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I don't know about the fake member part, who people perceive is behind my posts is entirely up to them. With that said, I was a little angry but I just wanted to know the motives behind the wording in your post...
No harm done, I often blow things out of proportion, when you say it was random you give me no reason not to believe you.. :-[.
I will drop the issue, sorry for making you angry...
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One final message from me on this matter, and I'll also give it a rest ;)
Bosola just likes to be patronizing /give lessons / have that "holier than thou" attitude. This is how he is. Just don't mind him.
Not really. I just flamed you once when I was pissed off at work. It was unfair and unpleasant, but I don't think it reflects on how I really act and think normally. I hope not, anyway.
My time to apologize, then. Truth is, I wasn't only refering to what happened between us in the past, but about my feelings after reading many of your posts here. Yes, you are a clever and competent person, but I *felt* that you were lacking humility somehow. Looks like I was wrong though - hence my apologies. I know that you're a great person, and I love all of your contributions (and even though I'm working on my mod, I'm still looking forward to Rebirth). It's just that sometimes you don't come off as the kindest person there is (compared to some other great guys like Sithlord, Kranmer, NFITC1, Gjoerulv, Titeguy, Pyrozen... ...sorry for those I didn't list, but there are too many :P), and I had to get this off my chest.
I know why Armorvil thinks the way he does, and I regret acting the way I did, but I thought we'd made amends, and this leaves me confused.
And we did. So, as I said, I apologize for this. I guess that what confuses me, is the fact that we don't express ourselves the same way... ...In your situation with Mako, I'd have been quick to dispel any confusion, in a quick and concise manner, with adding words of apologies in-between. Maybe you see my way of interacting with others as some kind of weakness, I don't know - but I feel it is the right thing to do when dealing with people in general.
Anyways, everyone seems to be apologizing, so all is well that ends well ;D
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Can I apologize too? I didn't do anything, but I'm feeling left out :-\
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Much better :)