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had some time to kill and so just for fun, looked up final fantasy 7 on google.
my god theres so many idiotic haters out there.
people seem to hate on it just because its one of the mainstream games, i found it rather stupid to be honest, if it wasn't people complaining about cloud being "emo" then it was them saying the storyline didn't make sense. i had to stop myself from signing up on forums just to tell them off.
i can respect someone not liking the game, but the needless hate is idiotic, one guy had this huge monalogue about how the entire game of FFVII blows because of cait sith.
i will admit, other than the idea of a remake (i'm one of the guys who supports a remake on certain conditions) that i think that FFVII has had trouble given to it by its "compilation" mostly due to the huge changes (such as Clouds personality in advent) but i also know, that this game was a big thing that helped open the way for 3D (not saying it was the only thing, but it definately is in the list). the really funny thing was people trying to make an arguement about FF12 being better, at that point i had to stop to laugh.
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I whole heartedly agree that a large portion of ff7 hate comes from the compilation. Many people got into ff7 by the time AC and others were out, and had the images of the characters portrayed in sequels and movies engrained in their mind. For us oldfags who played ff7 on release, Cloud was a tough badass, and had barely the slightest hint of emo (emo style stuff, hadnt quite hit mainstream yet then nehow :P). Additionally, his identity crisis and conflict ended up solidifying his confidence and direction for the remainder of the game. Its unfortunate how he went from being on a level of protagonist level with solid snake and auron, to a whiny kid with a giant sword o.o
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Yes, we know. There are some people with an almost religious hatred of FF7; they seem to devote their lives to hating it. These people make Hermoor's hatred of FF7 look extremely mild. I think most of these people decided that they hated FF7 before they played it (because it made their little niche genre mainstream (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle6cd1cskka05i)), and then played it just so that they could find flaws and intentionally misunderstand the story.
Just take it as a compliment. FF7 has made people more butthurt than any video game in history, and it's all because FF7 is more successful than their crappy favourite game. At some point during their ranting, these people will always admit that they hate FF7 for being more popular than a game they like. Hermoor did this; when it came down to it, Hermoor admitted that what bothered him about FF7 was that it got more attention than the other games. Well bawww; someone call a waaaahhhhmbulance! ;D
Oh, and it has nothing to do with the Compilation. The Compilation just gave extra ammunition for those who hated the game and were willing to give up intellectual honesty (i.e. everyone who hated the game); as soon as AC and CC came out, they could pretend that Cloud and Sephiroth from those game were Cloud and Sephiroth from the original, and pretend that the original, which was bright and colourful, was grey and emo. Hermoor's confusion between FF7 and Crisis Core is an example of this.
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These people make Hermoor's hatred of FF7 look extremely mild.
O.O IMPOSSIBLE
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No, they do.
They don't make Hermoor look sane, because Hermoor's hatred of FF7 was only one of the things that made him crazy. Hermoor has them beaten when it comes to batshit insanity overall, but there are lots of people who hate FF7 far more than he does and for even more retarded reasons (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8868.msg114686#msg114686).
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all i can really say is that its similar in a way to the Genji Series. first game: not so many knew about it.
but the ps3 second game gave us the memorable "massive damage" meme, and now i find some people saying how stupid it is. (i use this as an example, albeit a bad one, because i absolutely loved the first Genji)
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Much of it comes from people thinking in black and white. Somebody says "Final Fantasy VII is overrated" (which it is), and logically concludes that means it sucks, when really all it means is that it is good instead of great. Because OBVIOUSLY not great = horrible and awful in every way.
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OBVIOUSLY not great = horrible and awful in every way.
Hype backlash, eh (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HypeBacklash)? ;D
I'm very confused as to why it's called overrated. I mean, whenever I see anyone talk about it, they either call it worse than the holocaust, or, it they admit to liking it, there are a million games which are better. Sounds like FF7 is underrated. :P
I'd also like to see which games people think are so much better. FF7 is extremely heavily scrutinised by people who want to find things to hate about it (I once saw someone with a list of 100 reasons why Sephiroth is overrated; apparently this person has spent years of his life reserching FF7's flaws). I'll bet that these games have been largely left alone because no-one is really that butthurt about them. If Chrono Trigger, Ocarina of Time and FF6 had as many obsessive haters, I think they'd find some serious flaws as well.
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OBVIOUSLY not great = horrible and awful in every way.
Hype backlash, eh (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HypeBacklash)? ;D
I'm very confused as to why it's called overrated. I mean, whenever I see anyone talk about it, they either call it worse than the holocaust, or, it they admit to liking it, there are a million games which are better. Sounds like FF7 is underrated. :P
I'd also like to see which games people think are so much better. FF7 is extremely heavily scrutinised by people who want to find things to hate about it (I once saw someone with a list of 100 reasons why Sephiroth is overrated; apparently this person has spent years of his life reserching FF7's flaws). I'll bet that these games have been largely left alone because no-one is really that butthurt about them. If Chrono Trigger, Ocarina of Time and FF6 had as many obsessive haters, I think they'd find some serious flaws as well.
Well, it's not so overrated as it used to be, from its release up until about 2005-ish. But there was a time when everybody seemed to think it was the absolute best game ever, period.
But the best game ever isn't an RPG. It's a zombie apocalypse game by Valve (with melee weapons).
As for OoT, that has no business being thought of as the best game. Twilight Princess is better, people only think it's worse because it's not as good as their glorified memories of OoT. And most of the people who think FF6 is the best are just FF7 haters, only a few of them actually seem to make sense most of the time.
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And most of the people who think FF6 is the best are just FF7 haters, only a few of them actually seem to make sense most of the time.
FF6 fanboys are the worst in the world. I'm aware that there are some people who love the game and have triple figure IQs, but generally, they're the most hateful, arrogant and butthurt group in the whole of videogame fandom, and the ones who are most likely to say that their favourite game is the best game EVAR! Nearly all of the most retarded "FF7 sucks because of [insert ridiculous or factually inaccurate reason here]" come from people who have Kefka in their usernames.
I once had an argument with a FF6 fanboy, not on which game was better, but on whether the opinions of FF7 fans are worth as much as those of FF6 fans. He came out with almost every logical fallacy, sophistic technique and form of conformation bias that had a name (and he probably created a few new ones), and refused to admit either that FF7 fans were allowed to have an opinion or that it was not an objective truth that FF6 was better than FF7. I eventually gave up and called him an idiot. He whined to the admins. I cut my stay at that forum short. ::)
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I got into an argument with an FF6 guy one time for commenting on an old youtube account of mine. Let me get that argument....
This all started when I made a top final fantasy villains list. Kefka was number 2, Sephiroth was number 1. A bit later a second guy joins in to bash me...
That guy
" How you put Sephiroth at #1 is so ridiculous. What is his real motivation? The guy has no real personality. Do we know his dreams? Do we know his conviction? Do his actions make a statement that force the characters in the story to truly think of their lives, their strengths? How does Sephiroth do anything but bring out the emo in Cloud? He's weak, and the only reason you kids love him is because it was the first 3d RPG you ever played. It's pathetic. "
Me
"I asked that you do not bash my opinion. So therefore I shall make a counterpoint. If you look into the game more you will notice that you don't see sephiroth till your visit to the northern crater. You are pursuing Jenova disguised as sephiroth. Jenova is the emotionless one. Also, sephiroth makes cloud remember why he is fighting. Get over yourself and quit commenting. "
That Guy
"Feel free to disable comments like the others who cannot defend their positions if the existence of other human beings annoys you so much. You have an emotionless enemy without any real motivation other than being "the big bad". Sephiroth being a partial male love interest with silver hair who is as exotic to the player as he is Cloud due to his APPEARANCE alone. Little is known about him or why he or Jenova are what they are, beyond merely being evil. Sorry, the truth sucks."
Me
"Sorry, but I can defend my position, try playing Crisis Core.
So what is kefka... I have no background on him. I just know he is mad due to an experiment gone wrong. What can you say about him before hand? I can say plenty about Sephiroth..."
At this point the first guy stops posting because he knows he has been beaten. I did not disable comments nor did I block him. So, a second guy decides to start joining in...
2nd Guy
"Play FF6 then, Kefka ENDS THE WORLD nuff said"
Me
" Ok I have played FF6... why else would I put a final boss on here if I didn't play it...
Kefka didn't end the world... he just ruined it. There was just a BANG and it was over. The people didn't really expect it unless you count the floating continent as a flag-raiser. With Sephiroth the people knew it was coming to an end and had to sit and suffer for it. Many lived out their dreams or did other things before it ended. Luckily the planet protected itself"
2nd Guy
"In FF7 the planet protected itself, in FF6 the planet became the world of ruin. FF7 The people recovered from it hence the whole Advent Children, DoC and the 500 years later scene. In FF6 almost all the people were killed, giant ass monsters covered the planet and all magic was destroyed when Kefka was killed. Kefka ended the world. That planet that FF6 takes place on doesn't recover in 500 years like 7's world does. It at least had to take 2000 plus years. So yea."
Me
"because you know it took exactly 2000 plus years..."
2nd Guy
"It's a rough esteem"
Me
"you mean estimate... Sorry, but if you want to really take into account it would probably take 10-20 years, no more than 40.
You are just mad that my opinion differs from yours."
I think I did FF7 justice. If you want the actual argument, I can link you.
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>Kefka fanboy criticising Sephiroth for not having a good motivation
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9186/facepalmi.gif)
Seriously, Kefka's motivation for what he does seems to be "hurr I hate everything, durr I want to destroy the world, hate hate hate hate hate herp derp". A child could have come up with something better. Curiously, this extreme lack of personality and motivation seems to be one of the reasons why many of the more "challenged" FF6 fans think he is *good*. ;D
When you look at Kefka's characterisation and story in the game, you'll see that he's actually an incredibly bad villain. He has very little personality and a very clichéd and simplistic reason for being evil, and his attitude towards evil deeds and murder is one of quantity over quality. :P
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I saw some people on youtube implying that FF6 should be done as a remake rather then FF7 because it has better story. They said Cloud was gay and Sephiroth is not a cool character and sucked because he did not fight Cloud's party but instead used Jenova.
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I'd love to see the butthurt if Square remade FF6 and ruined it the way that they ruined FF7. Seeing the fanboys react to an emo Kefka wearing black and crying about his heart being nothing but a black abyss would be priceless. ;D
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I'd love to see the butthurt if Square remade FF6 and ruined it the way that they ruined FF7. Seeing the fanboys react to an emo Kefka wearing black and crying about his heart being nothing but a black abyss would be priceless. ;D
The worst fanboys would suck it up and say it was the greatest thing to ever happen despite that.
And besides... I like Kefka now, but when I first played final fantasy 6 and saw him, I seriously thought... wow this guy sucks, he is annoying and looks retarded.
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He has very little personality
No. He's got plenty of personality, just no real development or backstory. He's definitely a FUN villain, just not one with a good motive.
and a very clichéd and simplistic reason for being evil
Yes. Insanity is overdone. Kudos for correctly including the "d" at the end of the word "clichéd", a lot of people miss it.
and his attitude towards evil deeds and murder is one of quantity over quality. :P
How is this a bad thing? You get more done when you're not wasting time trying to think of the perfect murder.
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as stated in the link from kudistos, i can't stand all these "kefka is better then sephiroth" arguements, i'll admit, kefka is a great villian, he personifies evil clowns :P, but people always say for instance "kefka caused more distruction", the only reason sephiroth didn't cause more is because he was stopped before he could, if he had managed to make sure the whole of meteor struck the planet, people go bye-bye. Sephiroth used his own "mother" to do most of his dirty work, now how many of us can honestly say that would not be awesome?
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i can't stand all these "kefka is better then sephiroth" arguements
The two are entirely incomparable. They're so different, it's virtually impossible to say one is better. They're both awesome, IMO.
Sephiroth used his own "mother" to do most of his dirty work
Not necessarily. IMO it seems entirely possible, particularly based on his desire to destroy the planet, that Jenova is in control and Sephiroth is just a vessel.
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i can't stand all these "kefka is better then sephiroth" arguements
The two are entirely incomparable. They're so different, it's virtually impossible to say one is better. They're both awesome, IMO.
Sephiroth used his own "mother" to do most of his dirty work
Not necessarily. IMO it seems entirely possible, particularly based on his desire to destroy the planet, that Jenova is in control and Sephiroth is just a vessel.
though near the end the jenova cells still existed, jenova in her physical and psychological form was annialated during the battle, i think, im my personal opinion, if she was under control, he woulda snapped back to reality
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Are people calling Kefka a great villain to be diplomatic or because they actually believe it?
Really, I'm asking. What makes Kefka a passable villain, let alone a great one? His fanatics always say "herp derp Kefka's power level is over 9000 he would beat Sephiroth in a fight hurr durr he killed more people and that makes him the greatest villain evar!" but that's the kind of justification one expects from a small child who would, by the same logic, have to say that the Wachowski brothers are better at creating villains than Shakespeare. I don't see what makes him so good. ???
By the way, I don't think Sephiroth is the ultimate villain either, but Kefka makes Sephiroth look like a literary masterpiece.
EDIT:
I should really read all of the responses before I post ;D
He has very little personality
No. He's got plenty of personality, just no real development or backstory. He's definitely a FUN villain, just not one with a good motive.
Really? His personality seemed to be a little simplistic to me. I suppose there's a way in which you could say that he has "character", but he's one-dimensional. Two-dimensional at best.
and his attitude towards evil deeds and murder is one of quantity over quality. :P
How is this a bad thing? You get more done when you're not wasting time trying to think of the perfect murder.
I'm mainly referring to the frequently made claim that Kefka is the better villain because he killed millions whereas Sephiroth just killed a flower girl (and a few townspeople). However, murders Kefka commits have very little impact because no-one cares about the people he kills. The flower girl killing by Sephiroth is a far better evil deed because of the literal and symbolic importance of the act for the FF7 world and because the timing, setup and buildup to it is brilliant*. There's also a bit of a "the death of one is a tragedy, but the death of millions is just a statistic" thing going on. When lots of anonymous people die, who cares? The numbers become meaningless. Hell, people are still crying about Aeris thirteen years later. I can't remember anyone crying over what Kefka did. That one, small act by Sephiroth has had more of an impact than all of the things Kefka did put together.
*I can do a very long spiel on why the killing of Aeris is so important. If you ask me to give it, you may regret it. ;D
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He makes a good villain because he's got great dialogue (particularly in the GBA version). I wouldn't say he's a great villain, but dammit he's fun.
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I didn't think his one-liners were funny ???
Well, I suppose he's fun in some ways ;D, but that hardly justifies anything anywhere near the reverence he gets from his fans.
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he's a clown, clowns are funny, unless they have fangs, then they are scary TT_TT
:P
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Pennywise didn't have fangs... he was scary as hell.
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Pennywise didn't have fangs... he was scary as hell.
i always thought more along the lines of that one movie with aliens that look like clowns
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kefka is much more interesting, because he is much more random. he is an example of chaotic evil, while most ff villains are much more organized. this is what makes him so interesting.
also, his dialogue is hilarious. too bad most villains in ff are dead serious.
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FF6 fanboys are the worst in the world. I'm aware that there are some people who love the game and have triple figure IQs, but generally, they're the most hateful, arrogant and butthurt group in the whole of videogame fandom, and the ones who are most likely to say that their favourite game is the best game EVAR! Nearly all of the most retarded "FF7 sucks because of [insert ridiculous or factually inaccurate reason here]" come from people who have Kefka in their usernames.
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9474/kefkashocked.gif)
You son of motherMAKOing submariner!
Anyway, the only really decent villains in FF have been Kuja (Sephiroth done well - his actions directly tied to the broad themes of IX, and there's a nice symmetry with Zidane - see how Kuja becomes ever more childish, starts using juvenile lexis like 'gonna' whilst Zidane becomes more paternal in dealing with Vivi) and maybe Delita if you consider him such (I don't). Vayne would have worked if only FFXII wasn't so badly edited. Ultimecia is as hollow and blank as her face in the final battle, Yu Yevon's function and, indeed, the whole lore of FFX was impossible to discover without a copy of the Ultimania close by.
Of the Tactics Advance series, Mewt isn't particularly interesting, Illua is a blank cipher. Tactics could have been turned into a nice Renaissance play, actually, if you pose the church as Catholic and Delita as the first individualist in his society (early modern drama starts by posing 'self made men' fighting against far larger forces than the individual - social mores, genes, and even biology in Henry IV). I guess the relationship is actually the other way around.
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... I'm sorry, but although I like kefka more than Barthandelus... I would say that Barthandelus was a much more interesting character of all villains....
He begs for death. I'm sorry, but if my memory serves me right no ff final boss/villain wants to be killed.
Anywho, I like Kefka as much as the next person, but I am sure that Kefka isn't making some miraculous comeback from the grave like Sephiroth did or still might.
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... I'm sorry, but although I like kefka more than Barthandelus... I would say that Barthandelus was a much more interesting character of all villains....
He begs for death. I'm sorry, but if my memory serves me right no ff final boss/villain wants to be killed.
Anywho, I like Kefka as much as the next person, but I am sure that Kefka isn't making some miraculous comeback from the grave like Sephiroth did or still might.
the way i understand it, as long as sephiroth holds on to his hatred, he can keep coming back
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Which I don't want to see. I want to see some closure eventually and the way the DoC secret ending played out... we are gonna get a game with one of my more hated villains in Genesis.
I will say that it's not hard to defend yourself against ff7 haters... seriously look at my argument on the first page.
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Which I don't want to see. I want to see some closure eventually and the way the DoC secret ending played out... we are gonna get a game with one of my more hated villains in Genesis.
I will say that it's not hard to defend yourself against ff7 haters... seriously look at my argument on the first page.
all they need to do is find a way to make sephiroth not angry anymore :P seriousely, despite how evil he is, he is one of the villians who, due to his past, should be redeemable, albeit damn near impossible
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No Sephiroth just needs to stay dead.
If he loses his "evil" then he ceases to be the character he is.
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I'm on the Tomb Raider forums, and they have a section for other video games. One thread that someone made was about what would it be like if Cloud and Lara met. Here's what some of them said:
She'd kick his overrated ass back to the FF series where he belongs. Sorry don't like him at all.
Lara: Excuse me, could you point to the right direction? I am looking for The Lost City. (Sorry, don't know the name. )
Cloud: *Is Emo.*
Lara: Excuse me..
Cloud: *Glares at Lara.*
Lara: Her face is like O:
*Shoots cloud.*
"They never learn. (:"
TBH, he looks like a girl. :)
*imagines Lara performing Omnislash whilst Cloud leaps about in booty shorts and a tanktop*
That's only a few, there's a lot more in the general ff thread. But they mostly say that FFVII is "overrated". At one point, some guy was suggesting that it needs to die and be forgotten about.
Tbh, there are a lot of people around who take it waaaaayy to seriously. Usually, the people who are raving on and on about it being the best rpg ever, haven't actually played another rpg. So...they wouldnt know. I think thats the cause of the problem.
Oh, and I think theres people that hate it just for the hell of it, they can't come up with a good reason apart from "Cloud is emo".
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I find that the people who call FF7 overrated tend to be fans of games that are overrated themselves. There was a time when Tomb Raider was HUGE; Lara Croft was the only video game character other than Sonic and Mario who ever gained mainstream success (something Cloud has never achieved). I didn't see the appeal in it.
Maybe they're just butthurt because FF7 has kept its popularity for longer than Tomb Raider! ;D
Tbh, there are a lot of people around who take it waaaaayy to seriously. Usually, the people who are raving on and on about it being the best rpg ever, haven't actually played another rpg. So...they wouldnt know. I think thats the cause of the problem.
That sounds like one of the accusations that FF7 haters throw at FF7 fans; it's just not true. There may be a larger proportion of FF7 fans who have never played another RPG than, say, FF6 or Chrono Trigger fans, but they're still a tiny minority. I've seen a lot of fans of those games who are convinced that FF7 fans have never played any other RPGs because they actually think it's impossible for anyone to play both FF7 and the game they like and not come to the conclusion that FF7 is inferior, as if it's an objective and undeniable truth that their favourite game is better. I'm not making this shit up, it's what some people actually believe.
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It's nice that people have an opinion of the game, just a lot of them seem quite harsh about it.
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In nearly all cases, it's not an opinion about the game at all. A lot of those FF7 haters will eventually admit that they thought FF7 was a good game. Their opinions are usually about the game's popularity or the game's fanbase, which they confuse with the game itself. This is completely retarded.
I happen to think that GTA4 does not deserve to be more popular than Valkyria Chronicles. Do you see me saying that GTA4 is crap? No. If the subject were ever to be brought up, I hope I would complain only about the popularity difference, not the game itself.
I happen to hate the FF6 fanbase. Some of them are fine, but the majority seem to have a hatred of FF7 so severe that they come across as mentally ill, and they are often even more fawning and excessive in their praise than they accuse FF7 fans of being. Do I ever say that FF6 is a crap game? No. I think that it has a poor villain and some slightly immature storytelling, and is too easy (as is FF7), but will readily admit that it's a good game overall. I had fun playing it.
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calm down travis, i was simply meaning that that seems to be the only way to make sephiroth stay dead
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I was never getting angry Jaitsu :mrgreen:
Oh well, I don't see any FF6 sequels coming in the near future.
I guess FF7's story was so much better than 6's that we could pump out some sequels/prequels... although many are sub-par.
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I think I'm one of the few people who have enjoyed everything thus far in the compilation. Just some things more than others. I also think there's a depth to the story of FF VII that I can't find in any other game. I dunno what it is.
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I also think there's a depth to the story of FF VII that I can't find in any other game. I dunno what it is.
I understand what you're saying. For me, I think it was that on your first playthrough (of many ;)), FF7 had those plot twists that simply blew your mind. You knew that Sephiroth had some sort of voodoo power over Cloud, but it was groundbreaking to discover that Cloud had a completely misconstrued memory and sense of identity. Plus the fact that Sephiroth actually had been dead for five years and was active in the game purely through brainpower.
Meanwhile, everything in FF6 was so dead predictable. The only thing that really surprised me was when I found out that Relm is Shadow's daughter.
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Meanwhile, everything in FF6 was so dead predictable. The only thing that really surprised me was when I found out that Relm is Shadow's daughter.
... WHAT!?
Jk
Either way, FF6 could use a spinoff on Shadow. Hell, they could do a "crisis core" for him if anything.
ANYWHO....
I miss the feeling FF7 gave me when I first popped it in and played it through for the first time. Back when I was 6 years old and reading came easy to me!
Sadly, some people think that because it was played early i my childhood, I just throught it was "flashy" , so I got hooked that way. Okay, I am going to end this before I go off into that. Basically what I am trying to say is that it's a rarity anymore to get that feeling when playing a game. The last game that gave me it was Final Fantasy 13 and before that... I would have to say Final Fantasy Anthology.
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I miss the feeling FF7 gave me when I first popped it in and played it through for the first time. Back when I was 6 years old and reading came easy to me!
I think that's a large part of it for me too. It was the first BIG game that I played... Or rather, Big and new. I mean, I was destroying Super Mario Bros. for years before that (I was 8 when FF VII came out, and was brought up right, with an NES controller in my hands)
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And most of the people who think FF6 is the best are just FF7 haters, only a few of them actually seem to make sense most of the time.
FF6 fanboys are the worst in the world. I'm aware that there are some people who love the game and have triple figure IQs, but generally, they're the most hateful, arrogant and butthurt group in the whole of videogame fandom, and the ones who are most likely to say that their favourite game is the best game EVAR! Nearly all of the most retarded "FF7 sucks because of [insert ridiculous or factually inaccurate reason here]" come from people who have Kefka in their usernames.
I once had an argument with a FF6 fanboy, not on which game was better, but on whether the opinions of FF7 fans are worth as much as those of FF6 fans. He came out with almost every logical fallacy, sophistic technique and form of conformation bias that had a name (and he probably created a few new ones), and refused to admit either that FF7 fans were allowed to have an opinion or that it was not an objective truth that FF6 was better than FF7. I eventually gave up and called him an idiot. He whined to the admins. I cut my stay at that forum short. ::)
Oh, my god I just had a small conversation with a user today on newgrounds. Over there I am known as Liquify, but I just had to show you all this.
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1190262 (http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1190262)
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Typical idiocy. I love the way that one bloke calls FF7 overrated and then praises FF6 and FF9. FF6 is the most overrated game in the series ;D
Although I suppose it's going to appeal to people with low IQs who find FF7 a little hard to understand. FF9 and FF6 are the two fgames that are most obviously designed to appeal to children.
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I am sorry if I offend anyone by saying FFVI sucks...that is all.
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I am sorry if I offend anyone by saying FFVI sucks
I don't think you will ;D
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[just noticed 2-page trollbait thread]
Don't all threads like this just end on a mutual agreement that more recent FF games suck? (i.e. everything after X)
I am sorry if I offend anyone by saying FFVI sucks...that is all.
I liked it. It certainly wasn't as captivating as some of the others, and the game mechanics had some serious problems, but I still enjoyed it enough to almost beat it before tiring of it.
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Just noticed this thread myself... ...Trollbait, indeed.
Anyway, I was (am ?) a FFVI fan (fanboy ?). My first FF was FFVI, and after beating FFVII for the first time, I have to admit I was left with a sour taste in my mouth. At the time, I didn't know the series was all about change, and I couldn't get over the fact that the characters were so alike. Where were my Tools, my Rages, my Blitzes, my multi-parties dungeons, my 4 characters teams, and my non-linear second world-map ?!... ...Not to mention the fact that musics in FFVI were of higher quality...
But, as time went on, FFVII grew on me quite a bit - so now, I think I like them just as much. One of the reasons being the fact that I played FFVI way too much for one lifetime. You can call me a FFXII / FFXIII hater though.
I think that if there are FF games to hate, it's certainly not VI or VII since they're among the best (with FFX).
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Just take it as a compliment. FF7 has made people more butthurt than any video game in history
I though that title went to FFVIII or FFX
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Don't all threads like this just end on a mutual agreement that more recent FF games suck? (i.e. everything after X)
Can't we agree that all Final Fantasy games ever made suck? Or that all games suck? Or that everything sucks? That's how discussion works on the internet. You can trash things as much as you want, but if you dare say something good about anything, you'll meet the rage of a thousand burning suns. ;D
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Don't all threads like this just end on a mutual agreement that more recent FF games suck? (i.e. everything after X)
Can't we agree that all Final Fantasy games ever made suck? Or that all games suck? Or that everything sucks? That's how discussion works on the internet. You can trash things as much as you want, but if you dare say something good about anything, you'll meet the rage of a thousand burning suns. ;D
I like this post. It's a good post.
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VII and Vi, huh? Well, the second half of 6 makes more sense than post-Whirlwind Maze 7, but Sephiroth is marginally better-filled out than Kefka. Both battle systems are equally wonky but exceedingly playable, the score for both is extraordinary, but 7 gets Chasing after the Black-Caped Man, J E N O V A and Great Warrior, although in its favor 6 gets a graphical style that has probably aged better. It's all moot, anyway, because:
GOD TIER
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
SILVER TIER
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy VIII (I love and hate it for its radical rejiggings of the RPG system - junction is such a great idea, it's all the more crushing when it becomes so horrifically broken)
BRONZE TIER
Final Fantasy IV (good game, but is it *great*?)
Final Fantasy V (Ah, Butz, I knew him well. Paper thin story but 1337 battle system and cool music thanks to Uematsu)
Final Fantasy - Tactics Advance (core mechanic is great, no story though, loses place in silver thanks to THAT BLOODY BLACK THREAD MISSION ITEM)
Final Fantasy - Tactics Advance 2 (FFTA - story + better balance - repetition = FFTA-2)
TWIGS AND LITTER TIER
Final Fantasy XII (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No.)
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GOD TIER: My tastes
FAGGOT TIER: Your tastes
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>Various rankings
You know, I actually agree with most of that (apart from not having ever played V, VI nor any of the tactics games, so I can't judge). That's a pretty good way to put it, since I've never been able to definitively say what my favourite FF was.
Actually though I might switch IX for X, or at least put X up there with IX. VII is at the very top of my silver tier, though. 10's the only one which can almost bring me to tears with the ending.
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GOD TIER: 1 through 9
QUEER TIER: 10 onwards
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You're all wrong about the tiers.
Best Tier
Almost all of them
"F*ck you, Square" Tier
Anything with a monthly fee.
Because having to pay over and over for a game is bull. At the very least, if they're gonna charge to play, they should give you the game for free.
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[just noticed 2-page trollbait thread]
Don't all threads like this just end on a mutual agreement that more recent FF games suck? (i.e. everything after X)
I am sorry if I offend anyone by saying FFVI sucks...that is all.
I liked it. It certainly wasn't as captivating as some of the others, and the game mechanics had some serious problems, but I still enjoyed it enough to almost beat it before tiring of it.
I found 13 to be my third favorite final fantasy...
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VII > XII > V > VIII > IV = IX > X = VI > III > I > II >> XI >>>>> X-2
FFXII defense force assemble!
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VII > XII > V > VIII > IV = IX > X = VI > III > I > II >> XI >>>>> X-2
FFXII defense force assemble!
Its the equation to solve the meaning of life! Lol
My view? 7 is best, 9 is second, 10 is third, Then it moves to Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG and Secret of evermore and SoM's and Legend of Mana, but all 2d Final Fantasy ones are gay and were only fun to me when thats all I had,
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Guise, I'm having a really lulzy argument on another forum. The mods will probably get involved sooner or later, but if not, we've got another Hermoor on our hands. ;D
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/1169/t1572806-incident-at-end-of-disc-one-so-important-spoilers/
Search for the posts in orange.
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Kefka's past, as he illustrated it, was not official canon last time I checked. From what I understand, the point of Kefka is that he does evil and crazy things for no reason. I don't know where Kefka's backstory came from, but I doubt it came from the people who developed him.
The way he argues bothers me. He treats Kefka like a real person, addressing things that didn't even happen in the game. Kefka does not exist outside of the games that he appears in, nor does Sephiroth. "Kefka had a very upsetting childhood!" No he did not. We don't see him as a child in the game and there is no indication that anything happened to knock him off his rocker.
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Sephiroth has that scary edge to him, Kefka isn't really scary at all. He's just creepy to me :/
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(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/therandolf/KefkaCGI.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0fvCOMn2z78/SPSkT9-0dwI/AAAAAAAAAfo/tCl-bNmXHX0/s400/sephiroth.jpg)
Imagine Sephiroth walks out of a shadow, draws his sword, looks at you, and simply says "Hello", with a small smirk.
Now Imagine Kefka Walking out of a shadow, draws some random sword he found, looks at you, and says "Hello" with a smirk.
Which would be more likely to scare you?
(If I make no sense, is because I'm tired)
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From what I've seen on GameFAQs it seems that the haters hate FF7 because their favorite Final Fantasy game doesn't get as much attention as it. And of course, there's also the obnoxious few (but very vocal) fans that FF7 has that would make others hate the game by extension.
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From what I've seen on GameFAQs it seems that the haters hates FF7 because their favorite Final Fantasy game doesn't get as much attention as it. And of course, there's also the obnoxious few (but very vocal) fans that FF7 has that would make others hate the game by extension.
This is the case on every site. As we saw with you-know-who and as we've seen countless other times, FF7 haters will always slip up and admit that they're pissed off that FF7 gets more attention than their favourite game. Hardly any FF7 haters actually hate the game itself. It's always about their game not getting the attention.
Imagine Sephiroth walks out of a shadow, draws his sword, looks at you, and simply says "Hello", with a small smirk.
Now Imagine Kefka Walking out of a shadow, draws some random sword he found, looks at you, and says "Hello" with a smirk.
Which would be more likely to scare you?
(If I make no sense, is because I'm tired)
But Kefka wouldn't do that. He'd burst out of the shadow, mince around for a while and then quote Hermoor.
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But Kefka wouldn't do that. He'd burst out of the shadow, mince around for a while and then quote Hermoor.
Thats what makes him so creepy. That and he looks like a Clown. It's hard to take him seriously.
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kefka looks like a drag queen, and honestly I'd be more afraid of what he would do to my butt rather than if he would take my life. Also, Sephiroth has genuine leadership/manipulation abilities which makes him scary, along with super human strength AND the help of an otherworldly being than can intertwine with your DNA.
no one would bother following a nut like kefka around, let alone help HIM dominate the world.
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The difference between Kefka and Sephiroth is that Sephi had at least some character development. I understood who he was. Kefka was just some maniac and that was as far as it went.
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(http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/halolz-dot-com-finalfantasy6-dieforkefka-poster.jpg)
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/Mirenheart/919abfbd40315c534c60f4a1278df9aeb35.gif?t=1284608115)
I'm sorry, i felt the need to put these here.
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dear god kudis, you brutalized the guy on the other forum, seems to be only a hermoor wannabe, wasn't nearly as funny, though definately gave me laughs near the end.
remind me people, to NEVER get into an arguement with kudistos
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(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4857/rikap.jpg)
There there, Jaitsu-kun. If we get into an argument, I'll go easy on you.
*pats your head*
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The difference between Kefka and Sephiroth is that Sephi had at least some character development. I understood who he was. Kefka was just some maniac and that was as far as it went.
I thought it was the other way around, actually. I mean, Kefka was at least funny and interesting while Sephiroth is just so... stoic. This is just me though, I was never really a fan of what people would call "badass" characters, I just see them as boring.
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http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/1169/t1572806-incident-at-end-of-disc-one-so-important-spoilers/
Now this is some hysterical stuff Kudistos, that has got to be the single biggest a*s kick I've ever seen in my life!. I was wrong and there was no call for breaking out the "Argument pyramid". Hmmm (I shall study this Kudistos and learn his way) his arguments were deteriorating over time and I the insanity was begging to sprout, you almost created another Hermoor. Is it possible that someone can argue facts so well that they can in turn create a Hermmor? If so I believe Kudistos has found a way.
I not only agree with Kudistos I will take it step further...
Final Fantasy VI is the worst in the series!, for many reasons one of the biggest being (for me anyway) the encounter rate was jacked up to insane levels!!!. I am talking about a battle every other tile on field and probably every one or two seconds in dungeon. I find the story very pitiful the lack of depth to any character in the story (who is the main protagonist anyway?) including kefka is just an embarrassment to the series!. Final Fantasy games are usually known for there great influential story on the genre heck FFVII paved the was for JRPG's in the US but that garnishes no respect nowadays!. Instead in the quest to be different and "special" they jump on the FFVII hate bandwagon.It is deplorable to hate a game based on its popularity. Soon I plan to pull a Sarah Palin and "Restore FFVII Honor" tour around America ^_^ .
P.S I Hate Sarah Palin.
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I thought VI was completely over-hyped (not sure if I wrote this before). It boasted some very good gameplay, good music, it had some very good aspects to it, but it fell apart in Story and as the above poster said, random battles were ridiculous.
I will talk about the story though:
VI plot is vastly overrated and so mediocre in fact that I can't even remember it- aside from some nutter who has NO PURPOSE for being evil other than being evil, taking over the world. Such plot is in my opinion relegated to B division. Sephiroth and Seymour both had reasons to want power and Kuja had a reason to want to end it all. Ultimecia is the only other (up to FFX) who doesn't really have a reason to be evil (a background) but that doesn't excuse VI which has a vague main plot in my opinion. In the case of VIII there were also other antagonists like Seifer.
I am a theif, I am evil, I might be your friend, I am a lover is NOT character development. In fact Final Fantasy XII was imho the same thing, a bunch of "slapped on" synopsis masquerading as "deep story".
If the plot is so fantastic and great why is it when I ask people about the plot, the answer is small and vague?
If you can find me a plot synopsis that is as long as VII's, I will concede it rates but for whatever reason (perhaps technological limits of the time?), the story is extremely basic.
So, where does it rate against 7-10? certainly not next them in my book and certainly no way I could get a run of the mill gamer to sit down through it.
Not a chance.
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Don't all threads like this just end on a mutual agreement that more recent FF games suck? (i.e. everything after X)
i started playing ff13 just today. the cutscenes are very cheesy, one after another. tidus and yuna 'laughing' in ffx still holds a top spot in that kind of rankning, imho. i think i'll agree there - games are becoming more cheesy, and more fanservice oriented due to better graphics. or rather more visuals-oriented altogether.
In fact Final Fantasy XII was imho the same thing, a bunch of "slapped on" synopsis masquerading as "deep story".
ff12 is set up in universe where vagrant story and final fantasy tactics also happen. so i cannot help but keep comparing one to another.
since it's a part of the series, a step back from "save-the-world" scheme is actually pretty natural. usually when you save the world in a final fantasy game there is nobody else left plotting to destroy it once again (well, except for ffx and ff7 sequels). if that would happen in ff12 it might make the other ivalice alliance games a bit pointless. it is also a nice change from the a bit worn out and boring formula.
as far as the plot is concerned, once again i have to compare it to vagrant story. that game had scarce and vague cutscenes. and yet people managed to come up with pretty long plot analysis for it. i suppose it is similar with ff12, although i must agree that the plot is somewhat loose and sometimes just goes away.
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From Youtube:
Hermoor
Could you please stop favoriting AND thumb up Final Fantasy VII videos? Both your rating and your favoriting appears in the list. And its just on shit games...choose your favorites with care please!!
It was only a few videos, and I somehow added one twice by accident.
The question I'm having is: Why is he even bothering to look at my page? I got nothing interesting on it.
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Do what he says. He has a right to control your tastes and interests.