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Off-topic forums => Completely Unrelated => Topic started by: Kudistos Megistos on 2010-08-06 08:25:31
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY
Words can not begin to tell how moved I am by this. Seeing this work of art was a truly life changing experience for me; everyone has to watch it. It's the most important video you will ever see.
EDIT:
It's possibly borderline NSFW at some points.
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You know, I go out of my way to defend you and the mindlessness that takes place in Unrelated and this is how you repay me? I should lock this thread and ban you for this nonsense...
I won't though
But dear lord do you have anything better to do? :-P
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But dear lord do you have anything better to do? :-P
Clearly not.
Anyway, I found it hilarious. It's a commentary on certain aspects of modern society, but not in the way the performance "artist" intended. The fact that all the people there watched and applauded says something quite disturbing.
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Actually. I think this topic does bring about intellectually stimulating conversation, as a rant was being formed in my head as I watched the video.
This is the problem with modern art (also, hipsters in general). Most "artists" these days, seem to be struggling to find something that doesn't need to be found, or isn't there to begin with.
There was another artist, the name of which escapes me, who recently had an exhibit, which was nothing more than a bunch of people standing/walking around naked. This to be, is a shining example of what abstract performance art can be. While the concept of that piece is simple, the purpose is not. That piece of art, tries to expose how vulnerable the human species has become, due to how we disdain being exposed (I.E. naked in public). It tries to explain how as a society, we view the natural image, that is the human body, as a bad thing, and cover it up. Which is not to say we should shun clothing, but that public nudity should not be illegal. Most people's argument against public nudity, usually involves children, and the damaging of their psyche. Arguers from that side of the fence, fail to realize that there is a difference between molestation, and healthy development with a realistic body image in mind. I firmly believe that if nudity were to be more common in public, the unrealistic portrayal of young men and women (especially women), would cease to be, and portrayals of young men and women would be much more suited to reality, thus allowing the youth to be better adjusted, and less self conscious, and their offspring moreso. This, I believe, would lead to a much better future, and a much better society. I believe this was the artist's intent, to show that the human body is a work of art, and the societal need to cover it, is a part of the detriment of society.
The "art" that Kudi-chan linked us to, in my opinion, tries to say that society has been, will continue to, and currently is, crumbling around us, and is "turning into shit". However, the difference with this piece, is that the artist fails to find a medium to convey this idea. Pretty much, what she did, was open a can of "Spaghetti Os" and piss in it (I'm not even going to delve into the pointlessness that was her monologue). This fails to convey the thought. She tries to use the act of defecation, as a physical metaphor. The foul smell/unpleasant look of urine, is an attempt to show us, what she believes society has become, "shit" as she would put it (yet she used urine for this. Probably because it's easier to piss on command than shit on command).
The problem with this piece of "performance art" is that the artist fails to provide explanation for the entire performance. Was there a reason it was a can of Spaghetti Os? Was she trying to send an anti-corporate message? Could it have been a can of soup instead? Personally, I feel this message would have been more suited to a painting. If there was an anti-corporate message within this piece of "art", perhaps a parody of Andy Warhol's "Campbell's Soup Cans" would be in order. Although, "Campbell's Soup Cans" is indeed a parody of itself, as the meaning is to show how the modern world has grown to label anything on canvas "art".
This school of thought has now expanded into the realm of performance art, and has created the beings that we now know as hipsters. Young men and women who claim to love art, yet are unable to fully explain a piece of art, or explain why one piece of art may not have the same effect on the viewer as another. This then gives way to pieces of "art" such as the one Kudi-chan linked us to, as now we have a ton of these young men and women, who fail to see the nuances that make a simple performance, such as the one I had mentioned earlier, so moving. Thus leaving a large amount of loose ends. Yet the problem now arises, when you have more and more of these people (hipsters), this incomplete mental image of art, then becomes the standard to which other pieces of art are measured. That being the case, these pieces are grown to be accepted, and even applauded, when the grounds they are built upon, are shaky at best. This, is where we can see the detriment of society. Fine art has always been the standard to which the rest of society models itself to, but now, the evolution of fine art, which is to say the evolution of society, has reversed. We lose the nuances that make fine art exactly that, causing us to appreciate something bland and with less meaning. If we appreciate something with no meaning, we are then forced to look beyond the intended message. If we are forced too look beyond the intended message, then how can we be sure there was an intended message to begin with? Should there not have been a clear concise message, or at least, not one that can be commonly established, how could we consider this art? What can we measure it to? Some may argue that art is impossible to measure. I say this is a false concept, as it must be measured by the impact of it's message. The stronger the message, the more concise the message, the better it is. This being said, one may ask how one would go about measuring the impact of the message of Van Gogh's "Starry Night Over The Rhone" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starry_Night_Over_the_Rhone). This I say is a simple task. The message is not in the form of social commentary as one would expect if rating by the impact of the message; as the message is simply a conveyance of beauty. How well does a painting, or performance do this? How does the artist utilize specific colors to highlight the beauty? No matter the situation, art may always be measured, by the impact of it's message. Whether the message be social commentary, a conveyance of beauty, or anything else for that matter. It is simply up to the masses to find a common ground, upon which to measure each piece.
This is why I propose to all of you, find a more plausible meaning within the piece of art that Kudi-chan linked us to, as I fully admit that I may very well have missed the point. If I have missed the point, this clearly demonstrates what I said above, about art now becoming bland, and meaningless, and therefore, lacking the ability to be deemed art. If you agree with my belief as to the meaning, this demonstrates the same point, as it leads you down the road saying that there are far too many loose ends to illustrate a clear and concise meaning.
This is why I despise hipsters. They talk out their ass, with no thought to their words or actions. I know virtually nothing about art, yet I know enough to read into a performance, or painting, to find a meaning. Hipsters, just find anything that somebody labels art, to be art, with or without a meaning. Thusly, have no concept of art. Yet, society labels them as the "art people" of the modern age. Sad times, indeed
(and now, I sleep, as I am RIDICULOUSLY tired, and hopefully this rant makes sense.)
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Wow, cupcake. That's....thought out at least (um, no, I didn't read it all). I at least agree with your first statement (and possibly others). I mean, what the heck was that whole thing supposed to be anyway? She's messing with a can opener for the first two minutes making an idiot of herself then goes on about.....what exactly? I didn't quite get the point. Man, art people are just plain weird.
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I firmly believe that if nudity were to be more common in public, the unrealistic portrayal of young men and women (especially women), would cease to be, and portrayals of young men and women would be much more suited to reality, thus allowing the youth to be better adjusted, and less self conscious, and their offspring moreso.
Very interesting thought. I think I agree with you. This had never crossed my mind before. But I think if we were all faced with each other's flab on a daily basis we might have more realistic views of what the human body should look like.
As for your entire hipster rant, I don't have any input. While there are plenty to be found in my city, I don't really hang out with them too often. One of my friends dated one for a while. And I really liked her as an individual (he was stupid for breaking up with her). But that's the extent of my exposure.
I also thought this was an interesting thought.
[Art] must be measured by the impact of it's message. The stronger the message, the more concise the message, the better it is.
Very good post for a video that I can't watch (cause I'm at work), but sounds, well, stupid.
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I don't get it o.O
Also, is it just a co-incidence that Hermoor commented on that video 2 hours ago?
EDIT: After reading most of cupcake's post, I sorta get it. A bit. Maybe.
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... just a coincidence...
Not likely, not likely at all...
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This is the kinda stuff I had to watch in the arts and culture program. :D
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Also, is it just a co-incidence that Hermoor commented on that video 2 hours ago?
I love comment search :3 (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?so=pagerank&q=hermoor)
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Omgawd, Hermoor's been trolling this video for the past WEEK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zg_uaizts
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When I see Hermoor speaking about religion, I know how Christians feel when they see a documentary on the Westboro Baptist Church :'(
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Wonder if you can get banned from youtube if Hermoor keeps this up he will find out fist hand. On another side note is he trying for a record or something?. Getting banned from all social sites.
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One can certainly get banned from Youtube, but I don't think Hermoor has gone far enough. They can't ban everyone who makes stupid comments; they probably go for people who are repeatedly reported for harassment or who upload things that are banned from the site.
I suppose we'll have to wait for Hermoor to get pissed of with someone and upload pr0n. ;D
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Man that guy is everywhere. I swear he must sit in his parents basement all day and look for stuff where he can spout out his nonsense.
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It's summer troll season ;D
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I almost want him unbanned.. wtf
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I'm sure he'll come back with a proxy soon enough. Hell, he might already be here. Hiding behind the guise of a normal newcomer. :mrgreen:
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By the way, does anyone know where this image comes from? He always used it as an avatar, and I'm curious.
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2926/avatarqr.png)
TinEye doesn't help.
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Yes, it does; you just need to search harder :P
A person who used it can be found here (http://fabar.outwar.com/characters/4534)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4434/f4534.gif)
Unfortunately, however, it seems that he must have taken the image from an original, since his version has text on it. Alternatively, he might have made it and done two versions; one with text and one without.
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For fun, I read the "conversations" Hermoor participated in... ...and wow, just wow. I'm an agnostic (meaning, that if someone asks me if god exists, I just say that I don't know), and after reading his messages, he almost convinced me to become a Christian :lol: Dumb and aggressive... ...And any person with minimal intelligence would have long realized that arguing about religious beliefs is futile : there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of any god.
I never saw him posting here, but I'm sure glad that he was banned.
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I almost want him unbanned.. wtf
Lulz a mod wants a troll back in the forum. =P
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I'm curious as to how many proxies you went through, Hermoor? So what are you gonna put on us all this time? :-P
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I missed him D=
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I'm curious as to how many proxies you went through, Hermoor? So what are you gonna put on us all this time? :-P
That wasn't really Hermoor.
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Who in the world was it? I read some other posts and I thought the evidence lead up to him.
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Matron Orlha the insane decided to go... well insane.
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Apparently, he has caused trouble here before (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8789.msg111821#msg111821). If only Jari were still around to tell the story.
But with all due respect, why not simply ban HermoorQT, Matron Orlha the Insane, and Tyr (for that matter)? If they're just left muted, their warning levels will gradually decrease over time until they'll be able to post again.
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That can only be done by an admin.
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Oh, okay.
I guess you can always just increase the warning level again if it drops too low.
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Isn't there a rule about having too many or multiple accounts?
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Does the forum even have an admin at all?
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Well, Qhimm still comes on occasionally. I think he only comes on really late at night, though. Saw him on around midnight last night.
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Isn't there a rule about having too many or multiple accounts?
Having more than one account is against the rules. Mirenheart got a 40% warning level for it some time ago.
All three admins visit somewhat irregularly, Qhimm being the most frequent and Aaron being the least. I don't think there is any kind of pattern to Qhimm's visits; he just appears every now and then to check up on things.
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Ha! He visits on every prime numbered day since he started the forums.