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http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wirestory?id=11425737
Yet another idiot talking about how the internet is the 27th thing that's going to kill the music industry (after radio, copying tapes, etc).
It's also amusing that his argument for the superiority of CDs over MP3s is word-for-word identical as the one that they used to make when complaining that CDs weren't as good as vinyl. One presumes he downloaded some shitty 128kb/s rips or is comparing his (presumably expensive) speaker setup to cheap iPod headphones.
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these guys are getting seriousely pathetic, when will people learn the internet is hear to stay, and has bettered most lives, not killed it off. if someones bitter, don't blame the internet, cause they can't win
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I'm confused. I thought the music industry had already been killed by cheap CD-Rs. Right after videotaping killed the film industry, and woodcuts killed literature.
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woodcuts killed literature.
Naw, dude. Literature was killed when bards went around singing other people's song for free. No doubt about it, Homer was a pirate, and all the people who listened to him were stealing from the poets who contributes to the myths. And don't forget Giglamesh. First epic? Moar like first THEFT! ;D
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I will agree with his assesment that MP3's have killed audio quality. But apparently he is not aware of some of the lossless codecs out there that provide identical if not superior quality to CD's. FLAC for example is an amazing codec that can do 24bit/96kHz.
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I was under the impression that, for most people, 320kb/s MP3s are indistinguishable from FLAC. Of course, lower bitrate MP3s are bound to sound worse, and I imagine that this is what that man was listening to.
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Its hard to say, I have a fairly high end system, but I have not done a double blind on a FLAC vs mp3 320kbps. I have noticed a difference between FLAC and 256kbps however.
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Do you have better than average hearing?
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I don't know. I never really had it tested. People have commented me on my 'golden ear'. Sadly that changed somewhat due to the tinnitus in one ear due to a drunk friend throwing a firecracker at me and having it blow up right beside my ear.
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I've always had terrible hearing, so 56kb/s from crappy headphones sounds god-like to me ;D
Not quite, but I'm able to make do with very low audio quality.
However, I've recently been developing videophile tendencies. Feels bad, man; there are no HD releases of Lucky Star :'(
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I've always had terrible hearing, so 56kb/s from crappy headphones sounds god-like to me ;D
Not quite, but I'm able to make do with very low audio quality.
However, I've recently been developing videophile tendencies. Feels bad, man; there are no HD releases of Lucky Star :'(
I do not know what Lucky Star is but I do feel your pain. I absolutely refuse to watch any movie unless it is on blu-ray.
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>I do not know what Lucky Star is
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I've always had terrible hearing, so 56kb/s from crappy headphones sounds god-like to me ;D
Not quite, but I'm able to make do with very low audio quality.
However, I've recently been developing videophile tendencies. Feels bad, man; there are no HD releases of Lucky Star :'(
I do not know what Lucky Star is but I do feel your pain. I absolutely refuse to watch any movie unless it is on blu-ray.
Agreed on the blu-ray! tv hurts my eyes -.-
on the music topic, I keep all my music in apple lossless (damn apple not accepting FLAC) and they sound tons better then mp3 (at least at up to 256kbps)
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You guys wanna try streaming TV shows online when megavideo has deleted EVERY SINGLE link because of infringement.
http://screencast.com/t/OGE3MmE5ZDY
That's the kinda stuff I'm putting up with right now. I want to commit suicide when I think about how bad the video AND sound quality is, which is all the time. It says HD, but believe me, It's not. The player's not even english, either. I'm just not gonna buy those expensive boxsets, dammit!
And by streaming TV shows online, I clearly mean watching them on legitimate DVDs which I bought.
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THIEFFFFFFFFFF!
In all seriousness, TV does seem to be one thing that is suffering because of the internet. Not because of piracy, but because the internet is vastly superior.
EDIT:
Since we were on the subject of audiophilia:
lolz0rz (http://anonym.to/?http://www.malcolmsteward.co.uk/?p=2534)! ;D
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tv and CDs are both destined to change, the way the are distrubuted is ancient. Why the hell would i sit through an actual TV program and deal with all the commercials when i can DVR it and skip them all, or simply hit hulu or a torrent site and grab the latest episodes in HD without commericals?
Same goes for CDs. Sadly it is easier and faster to download a CD than it is to get in the car and drive to the store. Its cheaper as well. I hate apple but iTunes was a great freaking idea! I just wonder what best buy is gonna put in the other half of their stores once CDs become scarce.
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TV would be in serious trouble without ad revenue; we're likely to see a lot more reality TV shows and far less quality TV (not that there's much now...)
Overpaid TV personalities will take a big hit in the wallet.
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Thread hijack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEeWtBAE5LY
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O_O That has got to be the coolest thing I have seen all year!.
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Thread hijack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEeWtBAE5LY
more hijacked...well maybe not since its in the same vein...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp4jQNa_9sY
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Who knew Mt Dew cans could be so useful!!
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lossless audio... I've found that the quality of speakers has a much greater effect on audible sound quality than the actual encoding algorithm used, when adjusted to today's standards, at least. a 128k mp3 or m4a on some quality BOSE speakers sounds infinitely better than any lossless audio files can on my laptops speakers, or the speakers built into my TV, for that matter.
moreover... Apple's file formats = FAIL. I'm not too familiar with the security features, but I've had too many people complain to me about how their music libraries self-destruct when iTunes suspects that there's copyright infringement afoot.
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lossless audio... I've found that the quality of speakers has a much greater effect on audible sound quality than the actual encoding algorithm used, when adjusted to today's standards, at least. a 128k mp3 or m4a on some quality BOSE speakers sounds infinitely better than any lossless audio files can on my crappy $30 altec lansings...
moreover... Apple's file formats = FAIL. I'm not too familiar with the security features, but I've had too many people complain to me about how their music libraries self-destruct when iTunes suspects that there's copyright infringement afoot.
You didn't just put bose and quality in the same sentence did you? EPIC FAIL!
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>arguing over speakers
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3315/ohboyherewego.png)
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lossless audio... I've found that the quality of speakers has a much greater effect on audible sound quality than the actual encoding algorithm used, when adjusted to today's standards, at least. a 128k mp3 or m4a on some quality BOSE speakers sounds infinitely better than any lossless audio files can on my crappy $30 altec lansings...
moreover... Apple's file formats = FAIL. I'm not too familiar with the security features, but I've had too many people complain to me about how their music libraries self-destruct when iTunes suspects that there's copyright infringement afoot.
You didn't just put bose and quality in the same sentence did you? EPIC FAIL!
Ain't nothing wrong with Bose but the price. It's still WAY better than most low-to-medium end stuff.
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I have heard bose and yes they are way overpriced. And why they make such tiny speakers is beyond me. It doesnt sound good compared to a real sized speaker. Its simple physics, bigger drivers = more air moved = louder fuller sound.
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I have heard bose and yes they are way overpriced. And why they make such tiny speakers is beyond me. It doesn't sound good compared to a real sized speaker. Its simple physics, bigger drivers = more air moved = louder fuller sound.
i agree with you on that one. Bose have over-engineered their cabinets to a ridiculous level. A port can make a certain range for frequencies sound better, but long meandering ports just don't justify the gains they claim. I've been building sub-woofer boxes for years, and have built a number of home speaker cabinets and i much prefer the sound of a totally sealed box over a ported one. Ports can sound good when tuned towards the 90Hz-120Hz range, any lower and the box is useless except for hip-hop and R&B.
Bose also screwed up in the 90s when they put their badges into certain GM vehicles and claimed "Bose Sound". All of those cars sounded like crap and the amplifiers would fail(if they even had one), and it was nearly a $1000 option! Saddest part was when you pulled the "Bose" speakers out, they all had Chrysler emblems on the back. ROFL!
lee
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Self-built > Koss > Sennheiser > Bose
IMO
Also, 320 kbps MP3 sucks, V0 is where it's at.... that and FLAC
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Self-built > Koss > Sennheiser > Bose
IMO
Also, 320 kbps MP3 sucks, V0 is where it's at.... that and FLAC
Wow@all the Bose hate. I've only used their headphones (borrowed them from a friend) and they sounded okay. Are their regular speakers really that bad?
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I'm an audiophile, and my brother is an audiophile. We were brought up on BOSE speakers... They're not bad, they're just not as good as they should be.
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Paradigm. If you havn't heard of them look them up. If you havn't listened to them you need to. Right now i own the Studio series and want to upgrade to the Signatures (Whenever I can convince my wife of course)
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I'm an audiophile, and my brother is an audiophile. We were brought up on BOSE speakers... They're not bad, they're just not as good as they should be.
Audiophile eh? i'm looking for some 5.1 - 7.1 speakers for my PC, saw a logitech set i liked for $339.99
Should i avoid them? if so, what PC speaker brands would you recommend?
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I'm not too into computer speakers, I'm more about building my own, but I have a set of these http://www.jbl.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductList.aspx?SID=MME (first ones), and aside from a few issues with them due to the fact that they're getting a tad old, I think they sound decent for computer speakers. Not 5.1 or 7.1 though, sorry, as I said, computer speakers just aren't my thing.
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I just sold my Logitech Z-5500 5.1 surround setup and it was awesome for gaming! I could pinpoint other players immediately just on sound alone. I also had a "perfect" 5.1 setup where all the speakers where exactly where they needed to be, and that is often not the case for most people. However, i bought a fairly expensive set of headphones and they absolutely murder the 5.1 setup, and at half the price.
IMHO, if your not going to be gaming or watching movies with other people on your computer, go for a $100-$150 set of headphones. Way more immersive and you don't bother anyone else by rattling the house with explosions. You also get the bonus confused looks when your MF'ing the computer and family members think you've lost your damn mind :lol:
lee
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My setup is much cheaper than the more expensive headphones, but it's also not nearly as good. I've got a pair of circumaural headphones (http://www.amazon.com/Everglide-S500-Gaming-Headphones-EG04-04E012-01/dp/B000RHZAF6/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1282866509&sr=1-1-catcorr) with some cheap earbuds stuffed into the fronts and backs, for surround sound. I plan on buying actual 5.1 headphones when I can afford it, but this is a gaming-friendly cheap alternative until then, especially since I already had the big pair of headphones.
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it has been my experience that even a mediocre set of headphones will give the best cabinet speakers a run for their money, unless you have a super tuned ear. 5.1 headphones make this even more apparent, though they can be heavy sometimes so you have to deal with neck fatigue. Everything has it drawbacks i guess.
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To be honest, I think $100-$150 is too much for a decent pair of headphones. I have a $40 pair of Koss Portapros, and they kick some serious ass. I can hear a lot of details with them. My only gripe is mine tend to break often, but that's because I treat them like shit. It costs me like $12 to get a new pair though, thanks to the warranty
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http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wirestory?id=11425737
Yet another idiot talking about how the internet is the 27th thing that's going to kill the music industry (after radio, copying tapes, etc).
the music industry is killing itself, no need to interfere.
they just don't get the innovation the internet brought. first they fight mp3 and similar formats. then they give you DRM they sometimes install without your knowledge or agreement (remember sony?). these guys never learn.
the most important invention connected to digital music is that you no longer need to buy an entire album with one good song and a lot of mediocre ones - you can usually buy tracks separately, and save your money avoiding filler songs that justify higher price for an album.
It's also amusing that his argument for the superiority of CDs over MP3s is word-for-word identical as the one that they used to make when complaining that CDs weren't as good as vinyl. One presumes he downloaded some shitty 128kb/s rips or is comparing his (presumably expensive) speaker setup to cheap iPod headphones.
well, you know those audiophiles. zealots that brag about audio quality and fail miserably at blind audio tests. he might be one of them.
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the most important invention connected to digital music is that you no longer need to buy an entire album with one good song and a lot of mediocre ones - you can usually buy tracks separately, and save your money avoiding filler songs that justify higher price for an album.
I suspect that this is one of the biggest reasons why the old creative industries in general hate the internet; it's much harder to sell crap nowadays when people have so much choice. I once remember reading a story about someone in Hollywood complaining that the internet was killing the industry because it allowed people to find out whether a film was worth watching. He thought it was better when it was harder to find out without watching it whether a film was good and had to pay regardless of whether they enjoyed it, since he could still make a profit from bad films.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wirestory?id=11425737
Yet another idiot talking about how the internet is the 27th thing that's going to kill the music industry (after radio, copying tapes, etc).
the music industry is killing itself, no need to interfere.
they just don't get the innovation the internet brought. first they fight mp3 and similar formats. then they give you DRM they sometimes install without your knowledge or agreement (remember sony?). these guys never learn.
the most important invention connected to digital music is that you no longer need to buy an entire album with one good song and a lot of mediocre ones - you can usually buy tracks separately, and save your money avoiding filler songs that justify higher price for an album.
It's also amusing that his argument for the superiority of CDs over MP3s is word-for-word identical as the one that they used to make when complaining that CDs weren't as good as vinyl. One presumes he downloaded some shitty 128kb/s rips or is comparing his (presumably expensive) speaker setup to cheap iPod headphones.
well, you know those audiophiles. zealots that brag about audio quality and fail miserably at blind audio tests. he might be one of them.
I like vinyls better than CDs. I just find a warmth to the sound that I can't seem to find with anything else
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Naw, dude. The real warmth lies in MIDIs and 64kb/s .ra files, listened to through laptop speakers. Nothing else compares.
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I like vinyls better than CDs. I just find a warmth to the sound that I can't seem to find with anything else
at least there is a way to differentiate vinyl sound from cd - vinyl has that analog noise. telling apart cd and well-compressed mp3/aac/whatever file is very difficult.
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I like vinyls better than CDs. I just find a warmth to the sound that I can't seem to find with anything else
at least there is a way to differentiate vinyl sound from cd - vinyl has that analog noise. telling apart cd and well-compressed mp3/aac/whatever file is very difficult.
Agreed. There's 2 methods to that imo. 1) Have a damn good ear (thankfully good hearing runs in my family) 2) Spectral Analysis
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I like vinyls better than CDs. I just find a warmth to the sound that I can't seem to find with anything else
at least there is a way to differentiate vinyl sound from cd - vinyl has that analog noise. telling apart cd and well-compressed mp3/aac/whatever file is very difficult.
Agreed. There's 2 methods to that imo. 1) Have a damn good ear (thankfully good hearing runs in my family) 2) Spectral Analysis
actually if your headphones jack is very loosely plugged into the port (so that the stereo is a bit messed up) you can hear mp3 artifacts very clearly, even on high quality files. it happened to me a few times.
it might be called cheating, but hey - it works ;)