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My, my, my. Things aren't looking very good for Sony, are they?
Finnish consumer rights groups and some EU courts have deemed the removal of OtherOS illegal, hackers are running rampant with software hacks that could lead to mass piracy on a console with slim profit margins and PSN has been down for a week.
What's more, it looks like Sony might have lost your credit card information (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/26/update-on-playstation-network-and-qriocity/). It has certainly lost a lot of your other personal details.
There's a lesson to be learnt from all of this: don't mess with neckbeards. If you stop us from installing Linux on every electrical or even mechanical device we can find, we'll fuck your shit right up. And by "we", I mean "they".
The only way the PS3 will be able to recover is if it gets some games.
Sony status:
[ ] Told
[ ] Really Told
[X] TOLDASAURUS REX
[X] No country for told men
[X] Knights of the told Republic
[X] Cash4told.com
[X] ToldSpice
[X] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious
[X] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun
[X] GuiTold Hero: World Told
[X] Told King of Boletaria
[X] Countold Strike
[X] Unreal Toldament
[X] Stone-told Steve Austin
[X] Half Life 2: Episode Told
[X] World of Warcraft: Catoldclysm
[X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon
[X] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood
[X] Battletolds
[X] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl
[X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo
[X] Told of Duty 4: Modern Toldfare
[X] Pokemon Told and Silver
[X] Rampage: Toldal Destruction
[X] Told Fortress Classic
[X] Toldman: Arkham Told
[X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told
[X] Super Mario SunTold
[X] Legend of Zelda: Toldacarnia of Time
[X] Toldstone creamery
[X] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour
[X] Super Told Boy
[X] Left 4 Told
[X] Battoldfield: Bad Company 2
[X] Toldman Sachs
[X] Conker's Bad Fur Day: Live and Retolded
[X] Lead and Told: Gangs of the Wild West
[X] Portold 2
[X] Avatold: The Last Airbender
[X] Dragon Ball Z Toldkaichi Budokai
[X] Toldcraft II: Tolds of Toldberty
[X] Leo Toldstoy
[X] Metal Gear Toldid 3: Snake Eater
[X] 3D Dot Told Heroes
[X] Told you that ps3 has no games
[X] LitTOLD Big Planet
[X] Rome: Toldal War
[X] Gran Toldrismo 5
[X] Told Calibur 4
[X] Told Fortress 2
[X] Tic-Tac-Told
[X] Castlevania: RonTold of Blood
[X] Guilty Gear XX Accent Told
[X] Cyndaquil, Chicorita, and Toldodile
[X] was foretold
[X] demon's told
[X] http//:www.youtold.com
[X] Tolden Sun: Dark Dawn
[X] J.R.R Toldkien's Lord of the Told
[X] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told
Verdict:
BUTTANNIHILATED!
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About time, hopefully they just reinstate it for everyone, but i doubt it will happen that way. Maybe sony is just saying that they were hacked and credit card numbers were exposed? I bet they are racking up the cards to generate 'profit'. Unfortunately my credit card could be one of the ones used.
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About time, hopefully they just reinstate it for everyone, but i doubt it will happen that way. Maybe sony is just saying that they were hacked and credit card numbers were exposed? I bet they are racking up the cards to generate 'profit'. Unfortunately my credit card could be one of the ones used.
Even I bought things using that service (Valkyria Chronicles DLC, as it happens). Thankfully, since tens of millions of people's data was harvested, there might be security through obscurity.
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Various told statuses
Did you ad-lib these, or have you been saving them for a rainy day?
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Did you ad-lib these, or have you been saving them for a rainy day?
Just copypasta, I'm afraid. But it's nice to have the opportunity to use them.
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Still, what on earth is happening at Sony these days? They used to have the world at their feet. Now they're falling apart like a wet cake. Where did it go so wrong?
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Still, what on earth is happening at Sony these days? They used to have the world at their feet. Now they're falling apart like a wet cake. Where did it go so wrong?
After crushing the competition with the PSX and PS2, they got so arrogant that they turned into the Apple of the gaming industry: high prices, shiny crap with NO GAEMS and massively unwarranted confidence in their security.
Something similar happened to Nintendo after they'd won two generations in a row. After the Gamecube, I thought they were dead and buried. Maybe Sony will get their act together in time for PS5.
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What happened is they've been raiding the homes of hackers and suing plenty of other people. Karma is a bitch. I hope their reputation is permanently ruined.
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After crushing the competition with the PSX and PS2, they got so arrogant that they turned into the Apple of the gaming industry
Did it not happen a little earlier? Remember the PS2 marketing machine, with all its guff about the 'Emotion Engine', with official PSX mags sincerely posing the console as a 'supercomputer'? Remember the 'visual poetry' that came with the early demo discs, the pretentious ads and the console's ridiculous visual design?
Actually, come to think of it, the PS2 was less a massive success, than a consummate failure saved only by sheer numbers. Consider how the early PlayStation network flopped, how Sony's DLC plans never came to fruition before the PS3, and how the PS2 + HDD + Digital Video Recorder combo 'PSX' sank millions of wasted resources. I wonder if the rot started quite early, just masked by the sheer numbers guaranteed by the brand power of the earlier console?
As for Sony's sue happy nature, that started loooong ago. Ask Halkun! Or maybe the guys from Bleem.
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Bleem is a company though.
And I was under the impression that Halkun, and the likes of Chrono Trigger Resurrection, only received C&D's
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It isn't as if Sony's paranoia is a recent thing, though. I wonder if the PSOne's massive marketshare convinced Sony that they, and they alone, were the one and only focus of warez groups?
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"Finnish consumer rights groups and some EU courts have deemed the removal of OtherOS illegal"
Got a source I can read, curiosity has the better of me here?
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Those chubby neckbeards sure can motivate themselves when you take away their Loonix.
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There is nothing in this world thats more dangerous than a mass of pissed off Linuxbeards
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IT'S THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE PS3!
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"Finnish consumer rights groups and some EU courts have deemed the removal of OtherOS illegal"
Got a source I can read, curiosity has the better of me here?
http://www.kuluttajariita.fi/lautakunnan-ratkaisuja/?action=read&id=783
In short; consumer bought a PS3 on first of April, last year - the very same day Fony released an update which removed support for OtherOS. Consumer demanded 150 euros for compensation - bit more than half of what he paid for PS3 - because the console no longer worked as advertised; you could either run Linux on it, or you could update it and play online, but not both.
The seller declined to pay, arguing that the consumer had entered into an agreement with Fony, and had performed the update on his own; seller had nothing to do with either.
Fony declined to pay, arguing that blah blah, security concerns, more blah blah, consumer has agreed to licensing terms, blah blah.
Consumer disputes board ruled that there is an obvious defect in the product, and that license agreements can not overrule Winnish law - consumer protection law in this case - and recommends (it's not a court of law, after all, just a consumer disputes board...) Fony and/or the seller pay 100 euros compensation to the consumer.
I'd assume that the seller and/or Fony will pay, it's not much money and if they won't, the neckbeard might take them to an akshual civil court, and would rather likely win.
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Nowadays business model :
Buy something, yet still don't own it.
Open source is still the way to go, it seems.
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Nowadays business model :
Buy something, yet still don't own it.
Open source is still the way to go, it seems.
like most ppl you have confused the terms you want FREE software as free software includes a free license (gpl,lgpl) open source softwre does not have to have ANY freedom associated with it.
read more below
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
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I very much doubt Sony is finished.
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the neckbeard might take them to an akshual civil court, and would rather likely win.
Crossing my fingers for this one.
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I hope sony is not finished because they are with out doubt the shining force of the games industry at the mo with out them we woukd have crappy second rate consoles like the xbox 360 and the god awful terrible wii the worst console ever, yes sony have got a bit lacks in there security but it does not help with persistint hackers who i think should have there house raided and computers taken awaythey should be made an example of and as for the linux issue it truly is a hunk of crap and I can understand why sony wont give any money back if people try and install it on there system freeware operating systems never a good idea because security related issues are going to always be a problem in fact linux should be shutdown as well as company because they are a source of a lot of troubles or microsoft should just buy them out.
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like most ppl you have confused the terms you want FREE software as free software includes a free license (gpl,lgpl) open source softwre does not have to have ANY freedom associated with it.
read more below
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
No.. Read my post again.
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linux should be shutdown as well as company because they are a source of a lot of troubles or microsoft should just buy them out.
(http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu122/Zanshou/1270163965597.png)
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I hope sony is not finished because they are with out doubt the shining force of the games industry at the mo with out them we woukd have crappy second rate consoles like the xbox 360 and the god awful terrible wii the worst console ever, yes sony have got a bit lacks in there security but it does not help with persistint hackers who i think should have there house raided and computers taken awaythey should be made an example of and as for the linux issue it truly is a hunk of crap and I can understand why sony wont give any money back if people try and install it on there system freeware operating systems never a good idea because security related issues are going to always be a problem in fact linux should be shutdown as well as company because they are a source of a lot of troubles or microsoft should just buy them out.
Woah. Punctuation, much?
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>1st post
>Defending Sony
8)
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wow someone defending sony.. first let me correct you..
as for the linux issue it truly is a hunk of crap and I can understand why sony wont give any money back if people try and install it on there system freeware operating systems
yes the issues is a hunk of crap i PAID for the hardware i can do what ever i want with it.. i can use it as they want or code my own stuff for it, or take a big steamy crap on it. Linux is not freeware , its free-software. HUGE difference one being freeware does not require sourcecode to be provided.Also in all technicality you don't really install "linux", you install a GNU/Linux system as linux is only a kernel, and the rest of the system is GNU software.
never a good idea because security related issues are going to always be a problem
umm you do realize how much a of blatent lie this is right? , even when your running the "other OS" the hyper visor still has control of the PS3 its locks the linux kernel out of some areas.the biggest security flaw in the ps3 is IT SENDS YOUR STORE DATA UNENCRYPTED. meaning i can sit outside your house and sniff it from your wifi..also like all other current gen systems they sucked at the most basic encryption stuff, leaving keys readable in ram, not even checking for the signed bits. making a random number generator that always uses 4. anyway Removing the option to install other os is what caused this. the proof is in how long it took to hack the ps3 after linux was blocked. about 6 months , the avg time before linux can be installed on ANY console that don't allow it.
and then the part where you show how dumb you truely are.
in fact linux should be shutdown as well as company because they are a source of a lot of troubles or microsoft should just buy them out.
0. There is NO linux company , Linux like all other GPL stuff is made by people like me.
1. what troubles, the kind of trouble were we provide people with software to run their machines.Free you from the microsoft tax and make you applications way better.
2. Microsoft, they like apple are just a bunch of theives. The biggest difference between Free software and Properitary software is that freesoftware is almost always made by the users that want to use it , while properitary software is mostly just to make money and lock in their customers so they can make more money.
No.. Read my post again.
yes i have read you post again in you post you clearly state that open-source software is the way to go because you will own it. this however is NOT TRUE as you don't have any rights to it by default, since its not coved by the GPL(or a compatible free liscense). the creative commons is a joke when it comes to software, you get the source code but you CAN'T do anything with it. read some different lisences some time and see how the gpl protects user rights(the 4 freedoms) and "open source" does nothing more then give you some source code that you can't really do much with.
i will however not touch how much EVERY system in this generation sucks. and for all the same reasons TODAYS GAMES ARE CRAP. its all cutscenes and high gfx and no fun gameplay.
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yes i have read you post again in you post you clearly state that open-source software is the way to go because you will own it. this however is NOT TRUE as you don't have any rights to it by default, since its not coved by the GPL(or a compatible free liscense). the creative commons is a joke when it comes to software, you get the source code but you CAN'T do anything with it. read some different lisences some time and see how the gpl protects user rights(the 4 freedoms) and "open source" does nothing more then give you some source code that you can't really do much with.
Where is the facepalm when I need it.
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Why would you need one? As far as I can tell, Sith is correct ;D
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It's all moot, anyway. Everyone knows Linux is for terrorists.
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i've been called the master of software liscenses by some of our members. :).
It's all moot, anyway. Everyone knows Linux is for terrorists.
not really, the consencis is its for elitists, the RTFM type. (this is not exactly what i see from the users i know)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ffM207r5g
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God I hate it when people create memes and then do them to death. This got old after the first time I saw one.
Downfall is a great film btw.
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i've been called the master of software liscenses by some of our members. :).
not really, the consencis is its for elitists, the RTFM type. (this is not exactly what i see from the users i know)
DON'T TANGLE ME IN YOUR COMMUNIST LIES, PENGUIN MAN!
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DON'T TANGLE ME IN YOUR COMMUNIST LIES, PENGUIN MAN!
i have not reason to lie to you. (or your joking?)
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But of course.
Incidentally, how do you feel about BSD licenses?
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the BSD license is very half assed for today's world. It insures no freedom since it does allow the shipping of binary's only reguardless of if the item was give as source or not.It Seriously Falls short in that it Does not force the release of the source code.
if the bsd lisense were stronger we could all get copies of the source for most of mac os X...
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I take a different perspective. Let's say I write a really cool algorithm, but I don't mind at all how it's used. I'm happy with open source projects using it, but if Microsoft use it for their next product, and that improves the experience of a few million users, I'm happy with that too. All I mind about is Microsoft retroactively suing either the open source project, or worse, myself. In this case, the BSD license is perfect. It means my work can permanently, positively affect *everyone*.
Anyway, we don't need Apple's source to make a well-designed desktop Unix. We already have it. It just needs a little maturing.
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That is a point i can understand. There are some reasons i can see to use the BSD Lisence and it really depends on your project. But, If your going to use my code i perfer that what you make with it has the same freedoms as my program.This is why i use the GPL. Since as you know this is the main differance between the two. there are others, like the GPL is written in leagalize and has more clauses in it then the BSD one , bsd is written in english and is mainly just one paragraph. with 3 clauses. my main problem with the BSD lisence is the lack of code and some bsd ppl do provide the code anyway.
Here is how i see it ultimately for a healthy future of any science you have to have free and open trade of ideas and research. This allows for a Process of Peer Review and error checking. If Computer Science was the same more systems would have much better security records, as well as i think we could advance the science faster and in a way that benifits everyone.
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I've found sith's favourite radio station:
http://www.linux.fm/
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its hard to listen to most tts synths read text files, they are not not very smooth, but its really hard to listen to one read back source code in any programing language, it becomes much harder to listen to.
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So, did anyone else get this email (http://view.ed4.net/v/OJSDTUC/KRKUDE/3C429Z0/VVN2KI/MAILACTION=1&FORMAT=H&HOSTED=TRUE)?
>mfw the card I used to buy things on PSN has expired
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7617/miohappy.jpg)
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Yep, just got that email.
Luckily, I never bought anything on PSN :-)
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Yes I got it... Bought Dissidia 012 and FF7/FF8/FF9 by the PSN...
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i got one too, as part of my work on Black Chocobo i had to buy a copy of FF7 for the ps3 . i don't even own a ps3. the one sent to me is alot longer (maybe cause im in the US?)
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http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/call-of-duty-black-ops/hilarous-ps3-commercial-parody
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Sony would not give up that easy besides the fact that they are a multi million dollar company they have money to waste and can afford an upset such as this. They will just take it on the chin and move on. i personally would like to see that Sony pays for all their misshapes but would not want Sony to perish because of all they have given the consumers "entertainment" and a fantastic console honestly you all bag Sony but where would you be if Sony perished yes i know some of you people have Box's but for you true "Playstation" fans we would be bored to crap.....if you wanna see Sony play fair and stick around stop modding and jail breaking your PS systems..This is not an attack on one individual but to all consumers that violate their rights. Anyway that's my statement no harm intended in my post just my opinion
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANfFI07O5DQ
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if you wanna see Sony play fair and stick around stop modding and jail breaking your PS systems..This is not an attack on one individual but to all consumers that violate their rights.
Violate who's rights? Also, I assume you don't feel that when I buy a console I own it, therefore I can't do what I want with the hardware. That's the problem, and what the case was all about, Geohot owned a PS3, Geohot used his PS3 for his own uses, Sony sues him, claiming that's illegal. Geohot also made it a point, to not use PSN so it's not even like anything he was doing effected any other PS3 user anyway. There's a difference between hacking your console, and being a fucking cheater.
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i wasn't pointing the finger at anyone just stating my own opinion and i know all about geohot i have read all his statements and agree with him fully that in purchasing a piece of hardware you buy the rights that go with your hardware and you should be allowed to do what you want to it but if jail breaking the console means playing pirated games or even backups or backing up your games on your HDD then that is violating the laws sony has prenounced..i believe in buying goods and you having full ownership of them don't get me wrong i think it's BS that sony sued him won i also think it's BS that you can't copy your own original games...i agree with you fully i just don't want sony to be left to rot in the dirt is all....i want to have a console to play in the near future..know what i mean!!?
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Nothing is over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWfodsf1j8&feature=related)
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i wasn't pointing the finger at anyone just stating my own opinion and i know all about geohot i have read all his statements and agree with him fully that in purchasing a piece of hardware you buy the rights that go with your hardware and you should be allowed to do what you want to it but if jail breaking the console means playing pirated games or even backups or backing up your games on your HDD then that is violating the laws sony has prenounced..i believe in buying goods and you having full ownership of them don't get me wrong i think it's BS that sony sued him won i also think it's BS that you can't copy your own original games...i agree with you fully i just don't want sony to be left to rot in the dirt is all....i want to have a console to play in the near future..know what i mean!!?
But jailbreaking DOESN'T mean playing pirated games, or backups as the case may be. It simply means you can run un-signed code. If someone uses the jailbreak for such a purpose, then so be it, can't hold the messenger accountable for the message. Even so, Sony hasn't made any laws. You're not understanding the difference between a licensing agreement and a law. A licensing agreement isn't a law, it has no legal bearing. That being said, I have no real issue with Sony banning people with Jailbroken consoles from the PSN, because it violates the licensing agreement that you agree to when connecting to PSN. Sony can enforce a licensing agreement for services run by them. You agree to a PSN licensing agreement, you violate it, you can't use PSN, case closed. You agree to a licensing agreement to use the PS3, you violate it...Sony can't really do anything about it because that licensing agreement isn't law, and what you do on your own hardware is your own business, and they have to suck it up and deal with it. While I don't personally feel that game piracy is as daunting an issue as Sony makes it out to be, it is an issue, but one that they can't do much about, except implement working security measures (like using a random number instead of 4), and don't violate consumer protection laws.
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but cuppy 4 is a completely random number. "jailbreaking" as people tend to call it now really does not have anything to do with piracy.most people who do this just want to run their programs on the device or use them for something there not susposta. some examples. of things i do w/ my hacked devices.
ps2-
to play videos/music from my server w/ SMS . (about 200 cheeper then building a computer for this)
so i can hack psx savegame files. the ps2 is basicly my dexdrive.
Wii
Play videos/music off server (this one i don't have to get up to turn on and video looks better)
Access to the literal Hundreds of Homebrew applications for the wii. every thing from simple demos to Full Blown homemade games. (and sadly most are better then most every 3rd party wii games i have paid for.. )
NDS..
mostly for playing mp3's in my car since the battery last longer then my netbook (and its smaller)
now can those systems run backups? the answer is well mostly NO only the ps2 can. the wii can't with out more software that is not part of the homebrew catalog! Or way more invasive hacking that will mostly break other homebrew. and has a good chance of killing your wii, but to be fair the ps2 can still play backups using a swap disk trick..(even in ps2 mode, its just harder to make work) so i if piracy is your goal. you don't even need to Hack it. most disk based systems can be tricked this way some just harder then others (i think you can do this on the ps3 also..)
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You can have advantages if you jailbreak your MP3 playing device.
Lets donate used or broken SONY devices to Rockbox!
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oh rockbox :D how i loved it on my old archos player..
btw.. tomarrow is anti drm day and here is our sony flyer
http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/dbd/sonyflyer.pdf
(wish i had read it sooner as its Not Hotz its Geohotz.)
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You can have advantages if you jailbreak your MP3 playing device.
Lets donate used or broken SONY devices to Rockbox!
Speaking of Rockbox, I think my brother (well...technically my best friend, but he may as well be my brother) just gave me the parts to fix my 5th gen iPod, I can't wait to get Rockbox back up and running =D
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Igor,use this hammer on that $ONY NWZxxx,please.
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getting back on topic, i wonder how exactly do game publishing studios feel about this.
after all,some of them are definitely experiencing losses.