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Word on the street is that Square decided to cancel Versus 13 and apparently they aren't even going to make an official announcement about it. I guess we'll never know if this rumor is true or not if that's the case..
Source: http://kotaku.com/5927645/rumor-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-dead
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Anyone remember when Square was a great company?
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I miss SquareSoft :P
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I think it's pretty much commonplace today for most AAA companies to constantly disappoint their fans.
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If the game really is dead... what a waste of money and time. And all this after the fiasco of XIV... my god.
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Lol, I love it. Let's not make the game that a lot of people are anticipating, instead let's make a sequel to XIII eventhough it did mediocre. Also let's make 14.
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Forget versus 13...MORE 13-2 DLC!!! Square Logic :P
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I honestly didn't care too much for XIII or XIII-2. The stories were decent, but it was covered by too much cinematic and not enough venturing gameplay. I watched playthroughs on YT and that was enough for me. I can't help but think Versus would be of similar nature, so this is not a huge loss for me.
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I honestly didn't care too much for XIII or XIII-2. The stories were decent, but it was covered by too much cinematic and not enough venturing gameplay. I watched playthroughs on YT and that was enough for me. I can't help but think Versus would be of similar nature, so this is not a huge loss for me.
Unfortunately 15 and 16 will be the same.
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I agree, honestly, I couldn't even finish XIII and I'm a pretty big RPG nut. I got like an hour into Gran Pulse...it just got boring and I didn't care enough about the story to finish it.
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I'm really disappointed if this is true. What has been shown of this game in the past actually looked really good.
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I stopped playing FFXIII when I got up to that weird flower like boss in the crystal place. Honestly I just couldn't stomach the mediocre voice acting and horrendously cliché writing any longer
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've even enjoyed any straight up FF game since FF8.
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If the rumour is true...well that was a waste :x
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That or its the best trolling ever. :evil:
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I stopped playing FFXIII when I got up to that weird flower like boss in the crystal place. Honestly I just couldn't stomach the mediocre voice acting and horrendously cliché writing any longer
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've even enjoyed any straight up FF game since FF8.
9 and 10 were decent. I enjoyed 9 more than 10...10's voice acting was pretty bad at points but overall it was a good game. I wasn't a big fan of 12 though.
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I actually never got to play 9, and 10, well I just got really bored when I got far in.
Also I was so disappointed at the time from the lack of an overworld. I kept thinking > Ok, it's gotta be after THIS.
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http://kotaku.com/5927850/the-next-final-fantasy-xiii-game-or-dlc-will-be-announced-in-september
haha, perfect for this topic! Square is announcing either XIII DLC or XIII-3 in september! lmao
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My god, why are the pumping so much into 13? 7 May have been milked, but at least the games weren't the same thing with a new story, they were actually very different from each other.
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XIII-3. Hahaha! You just couldn't make it up! :-D
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XIII-3. Hahaha! You just couldn't make it up! :-D
hahaha Exactly, I couldn't make it up even if I tried!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhisJExvH0&feature=g-all-u
Haha... my sympathies to this disappointed fellow... funny talk lol
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Couldn't care less about this last piece of crap by Square Enix. Bye bye, Sasuke lookalike.
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If XIII-3 is legitimate, I would suggest that anyone who has stock in SE to sell everything now. It's clear the company will be going under in a few years with genius moves like that.
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I think it's time for Tetsuya Nomura to wake up from his egotistical fantasy land before he, and the employees that see eye-to-eye with him run Square into the ground.
It was bad enough when he started putting belts on everything and retconned the fuck out of FF7 with the compilation, but this is just ridiculous.
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I think it's time for Tetsuya Nomura to wake up from his egotistical fantasy land before he, and the employees that see eye-to-eye with him run Square into the ground.
It was bad enough when he started putting belts on everything and retconned the f*ck out of FF7 with the compilation, but this is just ridiculous.
I think part of the problem is 'fantasy' that went too far?
Well that and the entire game industry is just that, they are trying to make money and not games. This is indicative when a business will sue another for "disruption of a business model" how puerile and childish can you get?
The most important thing about a game, is the fun part, if it's not fun it's not a game. Too much has been pumped into games in terms of "content" and not enough actual game.
Bethesda Softworks puts out much better stuff at probably half the budget and half the fluff. Seriously TES IV, and V are a blast, Fallout 3 and NV ditto.
I am fairly certain part of this is pride, that and the influence of Sony on Japanese game making in general has been most negative.
I haven't seen any Sony made games really.. can anyone name one? The last I remember is Medievil 2 and Legend of Dragoon. Both of which were damn good.
I liked Altus contributions of Star Ocean 2 and 3, the 4th in the series was a bit underwhelming.
The same goes with Square's Front Mission Evolved it was OK but too goofy (and prone to screw up your controller). I liked front mission 3/4/5 but Evolved sucked by comparison.
It's not like they've run out of stories to tell, it's they've run out of stories to exploit it feels like. Heck FF9 was better than 13. I liked FF12 by the way it was great I thought but not everyone liked it I've heard.
It seems Bethesda is contributing better games in general in terms of re-playability and fun.
NV ultimate I'm playing as well as TESV TESIv( ultra modded) Fallout 3. I still play these after having some for 7 years. Whereas I keep forgetting I have XIII (sigh) FFXIV is another who cares.
Even Dragon Age 2 is better than 13. It was a bit short on great but still had some fun stuff in it.
Cyb
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I applaud creative use of "fantasy", and Square's older titles definitely fall under that category.
As much as I love all the TES games, Skyrim and Oblivion were definitely the least creative in the series. The fact that they focused on dragons, which is one of the most
rudimentary fantasy things ever, just hurt their originality in the long run. I liked their stories much better when they focused on political issues and their creation, the
daedra - instead of dragons, which are very generic
Don't get me wrong, TES is still one of my favorite series, but with each installment they seem to have worse stories, and less RPG elements. It's why my favorite ones
are Daggerfall, and Morrowind. Those two games were brimming with creativity.
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The Simpsons under Scully has been negatively labelled as a "gag-heavy, Homer-centric incarnation" by Jon Bonné of MSNBC, while some fans have bemoaned the transformation in Homer's character during the era, from sweet and sincere to "a boorish, self-aggrandizing oaf", dubbing him "Jerkass Homer". When asked in 2007 how the series' longevity is sustained, Scully joked, "Lower your quality standards. Once you've done that you can go on forever.
Same thing here. They now have the fanbase onboard (who seem to buy everything), they make a profit no matter how much lack of care is taken... and they have lowered their standards to make it easier to churn out a product. Just like The Simpsons did.
A quick offtopic post about The Simpsons... most people think the series went into decline around season 9, but I have just finished watching 1-9 and imho the decline started after season 3. Homer got dumber and dumber, the stories became more and more silly and "gag heavy" and the stories that once made you feel something for the characters became non existent. It is true that things went far worse after season 9 but the coffin lid was firmly in place by season 5, just that most people didn't see it.
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Final Fantasy series Died After Final Fantasy 10.
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Final Fantasy series Died with Final Fantasy 10.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
X was a great game and last great FF.... after that with FFX-2 (the first main cash in), it was over. It has never recovered.
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... And was briefly resuscitated for FF12, but only for the first 40 hours of gameplay.
Personally, I thought XII was the final nail.
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Horrible characters in X killed it for me, the voice acting didn't help that much.
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I thought X was good. Was it the best? Not by a long shot, but it was good. I wasn't surprised about the voice acting since it was the first time they made an entire game with voice acting. In my opinion, it also had one of the best mini games. I loved Blitzball, which is weird since I don't like sports. I do believe though, that X was the beginning of the end for Final Fantasy sadly. When they came out with X-2, it made me not like it so much that I actually lost a few good opinions about X. (And I could murder them for what they did to Blitzball!) I never played 11, but from what I heard about it, it was a good attempt for a first time at an MMO. Then when 12 came out, I lost hope. The person they tried get people to think was the "Main Character" Vaan, had no point in the story past him trying to steal the stone. Which, if they had just been in Balthiers point of view instead, the story would have continued no problem. That game was just so long, and had too many things to do. I also think that is what influenced 13 to be what it is. Very linear and with barely anything to do. 12 and 13 are on opposite ends of the spectrum I think.
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10's characters and story weren't too great (a lot of important concepts were poorly explained, possibly thanks to a bad translation), but the actual battle mechanics were very well-refined. Characters were highly individuated and spells and statuses felt useful. The game was reasonably well-balanced for the most part and fights demanded at least some limited strategy.
12, on the other hand, was horrific. It wasn't just that the gameplay was bland and insipid - it was that the repetitive dungeons and arbitrary grinding made me feel I wasn't making any meaningful progress. And stupid stunts like the Zodiac Spear chests left a bad taste in my mouth. If it hadn't been an FF title, perhaps I'd have been more forgiving - I could easily see FFXII making a 6/10 or 7/10. But being a highly anticipated title, it cost me (and others) a lot of goodwill with Square-Enix.
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X was a great game and last great FF.... after that with FFX-2 (the first main cash in), it was over. It has never recovered.
Dull cast, embarrassing story, incredibly boring battle system based on a growth system that simply doesn't exist and ends up making your characters identical in pretty much every aspect (with the exception of Yuna, she has the Summon command after all ;O ). And Nomura, oh for the love of god, NOMURA ALL OVER THE PLACE. FFX killed the series for me: so many terrible choices for just one game. No wonder the same team created XIII, another gigantic pile of flaming sh*t.
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FFX had all the marks of final fantasy going downhill. Exploring was a joke. They might as well have gotten rid of maps and just stringed together encounters with an option to heal between every fight.
Story was bad as well. By bad I mean everything before the ending was absolutely terrible. If they had made the first 80% better storywise FFX would have been killer. Since FFX is story driven the story has to be effing amazing. It wasn't. In fact I felt like FFX would have been better if the setting was in Zanarkand.
Sidequests were terrible. Monster Arena, aka grind through hundreds of battles using mediocre equipment. Blitzball was a joke. Jecht Shot/Jecht Shot 2. minute long animations for jecht shot 2 and prizes are terrible after you get wakkas limits.
Battle System I actually enjoyed.... In the sense that I loved the expert sphere grid and having a fair amount of choices every time. Weapon/armour customization didn't come out well. Lots of options, not many real choices. The standard sphere grid though.... They might as well have just made it like pokemon where you learned a new skill every few levels. Only the illusion of choice existed in the standard grid.
Setting was also terrible. For a game that names itself final fantasy, the setting of ffx was about as much of a fantasy as my backyard. running down straight paths knowing exactly where you're going, and nothing that you would look twice at. Terrain wasn't interactive and that was something I always loved about FF.
Characters were hard to connect with. Tidus looked like a massive tool. Yuna was dull. Auron I enjoyed. Noone else was developed enough.
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If it hadn't been an FF title, perhaps I'd have been more forgiving
That's the problem. FF12 isn't a FF. 13 is more of an FF than 12. 12 would be more praised if another company made it with no reference to the FF franchise. Imo 12 > 10.
Both are good games though. Flawed, but still good.
I'm actually doing playthrough of 10 now. It's a better game if you ignore all the side stuff and just concentrate on the beating the game.
F*ck you Tidus, Rikku, cloister of trails, laughing scene and mandatory blitzball game! >:(
I found out if you do it like this, it's pretty much the exact same experience as 13. 13 is still weaker though.
Edit: oh and the reason for posting here.
I don't care about versus 13. 6 years in development? Wow... I can't imagine squeeny not using the materials for something at least.
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I don't care about anything Final Fantasy, as long as they don't come with a FF VII Remake, FFVII-2, or a game on par with FF VII...
Fixed.
Agreed. :'(
Horrible characters in X killed it for me, the voice acting didn't help that much.
It would have been much better without voices, but i didn't like the art style too. Much to "cartoonish" and clean as opposed to VII which was more greyish, dirty and realistic (and awesome)
And for some reason the MUSIC did never again sound as good as in FF VII.
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[quote author=gjoerulv link=topic=13328.msg185681#msg185681 date=1342973788
I don't care about versus 13. 6 years in development? Wow... I can't imagine squeeny not using the materials for something at least.
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Inb4 Zack Fair gets retconned.
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Don't know if this article is legit or not
http://playstationgang.com/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-not-canceled/
The author doesn't seem to know correct english.
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Final Fantasys are all different flavours for the same audience. Some people like chocolate chip, some pistachio. But at the end of the day, Ice cream is a childs food and we're all growing old. A taste of it is good for some refreshment, but no-longer do you crave for ice-cream in the heat - now we reach for cocktails and beers.
This is true with final fantasy - I personally love every final fantasy between 6 to 12 (excluding XI) with fond appreciation for the different experiences they gave me. I've seen thier gimmicks and even tasted them, but now, I'm too old for cheap tricks to entice me. When Final Fantasy XIII came out, I changed the name of a bunch of elements and came up with the intro storyline for Final Fantasy 7, all the crazy was just an attempt to hide the fact they were trying to reignite the Final Fantasy 7 flame. They failed, in part because 'the crazy' was just that, and partly because the resultant product was a breath of what it was first planned to be (The story was just off-cuts of the original and didn't even fit together right for me).
The fact that more and more things from Square show that their dreams of recreating a great game are only hindered by the fact they underestimate how much effort it requires - and 13 was just too much for them. In thier effort to do new interesting things, they do silly and thoughtless things, like making a game in English just was foreign as if it were written in Japanese.
Final Fantasy VII on the other hand isn't there to feed the dreams of the designers, it is there to line the pockets of the business. So Final Fantasy XIII Versus being cancelled must be hurting the business. I very much doubt it will be cancelled completely. Worst case - they'll reuse everything and change the story and make a non-final fantasy out of it.
What doesn't sit right with me is in regard to the duality of Square - The dreamers release over-budget games that are a let down because their purse-strings are strangling them. But the business side still release substandard money-makers like FF-VII PC. So why NOT release a half-arsed Versus 13? The cost of making it is alot, marketing could double that, but I very much doubt that selling it would get less back than the marketing costs. The cancellation doesn't fit either duality - that confuses me.
My theory to justify this - Versus was cancelled because they fear the backlash from releasing a substandard game after all the expectations we have for it, knowing it could be the final nail in the coffin got Square. I think someone who is very powerful in Square has overturned the project, in a hope they can resurrect the company to its former glory. Now I don't think for a second this has anything to do with a ressurection of old franchises - rather a step away. Someone has come forward with a new story, a new plan for game that will be good enough to potentially fuel a resurgence in Squeenix fans, a new Final Fantasy, with an original format, somethign that appeases the money spinners and the creative minds.
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Don't know if this article is legit or not
http://playstationgang.com/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-is-not-canceled/
The author doesn't seem to know correct english.
A Senior US Editor, Erren Van Duine Square Enix resourceful source was awared and respond to the rumor that Final Fantasy Versus XIII is alive and it will be shown at this year’s Tokyo Game Show.
I'm not convinced this was written by a human. This really sounds like a chatbot ;)
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I'd take this with a grain of salt. I have a not-so-sneaking suspicion that many of Kotaku's "anonymous" sources are actually "pulled from own ass to generate hits/buzz". They've done it before, they'll do it again. Hopefully they're doing it to try to force Squeenix to actually make an official comment on the game.
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...to force Squeenix to actually make an official comment on the game.
That would be nice...
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No rebalance is going to sort the dialogue and story out. You'd need ti redo the whole thing. Gameplay wise, at least something could be done, but the Gambit system is a destroyer and the random chests, ill thought out, to name a few things.
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I thought this would mean more work on Kingdom Hearts III, until FFXIII-3.
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For my quick summary of the series so far :
FF1 sucks, FF2 was okay, FF3 was okay, FF4 was great, FF5 was okay, FF6 was great, FF7 was great, FF8 was terrible, FF9 was great, FF10 was great, FF12 was okay, FF13 was okay, FF13-2 was okay but slightly better than 13.
Kotaku's "anonymous" sources are actually "pulled from own ass to generate hits/buzz". They've done it before, they'll do it again. Hopefully they're doing it to try to force Squeenix to actually make an official comment on the game.
Really? ::)
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/07/square-enix-confirms-the-existence-of-final-fantasy-versus-xiii/
FFVS13 looks like the next one I might be able to label "great" but it's too early to tell. I have high hopes because of the reviews of Type-0 though, so I think that not everything once branded "13" is doomed to mediocracy. I am still thinking Final Fantasy is more in a rut than dead.
Edit: FF10-2 also sucked
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http://www.siliconera.com/2012/07/23/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-not-canceled-says-square-enix-ceo/
Not cancelled, nothing more to see here.
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It is still extremely bad management that leads to these rumours.
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Meh. I still probably won't even get it anyway, so it has no impact on me.
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that article is missing a "yet" in it's tag line
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http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/24/square-reaffirms-existence-of-versus-xiii-continues-to-not-show/
This topic is irrelevant. LOL
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that article is missing a "yet" in it's tag line
I don't think they're gonna cancel this game. As much as Square-Enix loves pouring money into ill-conceived ideas or games nobody asked for (KH Coded), they're not exactly known for flat out canceling things they've hemorrhaged so much time and money into, especially considering that the Final Fantasy name on the box will equate to good sales regardless of the actual quality of the game. This isn't going anywhere.
edit: Also, I notice that THREE people now have posted the same story (albeit from different sources) regarding Yoichi Wada's tweet. This thread isn't like the support thread for Aali's driver; it's only three pages, not THAT hard to read what's already been posted. :/
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Yeah I was more or less getting at the 'yet' part. I've seen that it was posted.
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Square Enix quashes FF Versus XIII cancellation rumors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av01VDzitHU&feature=g-all-u)
Final Fantasy Versus XIII - PlayStation Conversation: Has Square Enix Fallen from Grace? (http://uk.ign.com/videos/2012/07/24/playstation-conversation-has-square-enix-fallen-from-grace)
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I don't think they're gonna cancel this game. As much as Square-Enix loves pouring money into ill-conceived ideas or games nobody asked for (KH Coded), they're not exactly known for flat out canceling things they've hemorrhaged so much time and money into, especially considering that the Final Fantasy name on the box will equate to good sales regardless of the actual quality of the game. This isn't going anywhere.
Agreed.
: Also, I notice that THREE people now have posted the same story (albeit from different sources) regarding Yoichi Wada's tweet. This thread isn't like the support thread for Aali's driver; it's only three pages, not THAT hard to read what's already been posted. :/
I thought it was hilarious as well. First! 8)