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http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/finalfantasyx0/
This guy apparantly got links to squaresoft.
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Bah! What a crock of shit. That guy just want's people's email addresses so he can spam ya.
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actualy if im not mistaken ff9 and 10 are coming to pc, ff9 is coming as a 'special edition' or something i dont know when i forget the aproximate date and no i dont know whats in the so called special part of it heh... now ffx i forget about it entirely. But erm PC can handle it way better then shitty ol' already out of date ps2 :P
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FF9 Special Edition was an April Fools' joke.
Where'd you get your info?
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I actually think the ps2 is superior to PC as a gaming platform. Don't flame me for this, you can't change my opinion anyway (and you shouldn't try). Just look at how FFX utilizes the ps2 sfx (motion blur, distorsions etc.). A good game is made from the right atmosphere, not a polygon count so high that it's silly. Anyway, those sfx is probably one of the reasons FFX isn't coming to PC. There just isn't any widespread PC graphics hardware that does them properly. And if you try rendering those in software the game'll lag down unless you have a bigass XXXX MHz CPU. The ps2 does it naturally, and usually with no lag at all.
Anyway, that's only my opinion. Do not take offense.
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PS2 is a better gaming platform than PC when it comes to graphics, currently (even though there are PCs that could beat it out... not many people have them). I don't think you can call PS2's hardware "out of date."
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i dunno, qhimm.... my ti 4600 is pretty sexah :D
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Lol.
GF4 TI 4600 can definately whoop up on PlayStation2 in terms of 3D performance.
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Well in that case, why aren't there any PC titles of equal beauty? And if there are, please do tell. I haven't found any yet.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, even though the GeForce4 Ti4600 can whoop up the PS2 graphics, can it actually beat the bandwidth? Heard that the PS2 is far superior in bandwidth, which makes it really good for games. Also, as Jari said... game developers have to develop games that runs well on most computers.... this includes the good old 400MHz machines. Unless they are developing only for 2GHz machines and above, then it's a totally different story, the PC will own the console any time if they do so. But do you actually have the $$$ to burn?? :) One GeForce4 Ti4600 is already nearly twice the PS2's price. Add it with a 2GHz CPU, etc... lol
It'll take some time before PC graphics can reach till PS2's capabilities at a reasonable price & performance. But by that time, PS3 might be out.... so this fight will never end... unless you have the $$$ to burn (which I don't have, unfortunately)...
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Pfft my geforce2 beats the crap out of Ps2 :P pfft pfft end of story heh. Bah ps2 is overrated, only reason it survived was because of the massive propaganda that sony put into the consumer's minds (like sega is evil old crap dont buy pretty much) so on and so forth :P
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Pfft my geforce2 beats the crap out of Ps2 :P pfft pfft end of story heh.
hah :lol: remember Final Fantasy 7 for the PC? that's like 4-5 years back. How many people own 300MHz machines that time? How many people actually own a 3D card? How expensive is a Pentium II machine that time? With a 3D card as well.
Did a 166MHz system actually scored 50FPS on FF7 using software renderer at full screen ? Why can a PS1 easily run FF7 but a PC struggle? (At the same time when PS1 was just released)
And now the same question .. why didn't Square release FFX for the PC? Can a GeForce2/1GHz machine run FFX at 30FPS (or more) at 1600X1200X32 res? (assuming that Square is smart to integrate high-res) Can it handle motion blur smoothly? Think again.....
I think it is not right to say that the PS2 graphics are outdated but you are not wrong as well, because the current GeForce4 is the only graphics card which could beat the PS2. I disagree that GeForce2 can do any better than PS2, because I own a GeForce2 Pro as well, and I know how _slow_ this card is. :(
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Well i dont know what the hell u play lately lol, but erm my card runs alot of nice games, second of all ps2 runs at 640x480 max if im not mistaken. So yea :P And second of all motion blur isnt that hard to implement. It was even in ff7. Also my pentium233mmx and voodoo banshee ran ff7 beatifully :) Motion blur was basic like but it still was there. Ps2 is overrated say what u want :) I am not biased at all towards systems, but im just facing facts man... like argh some ppl are so mesmerized that they consider XBOX worst hardware then ps2, or gamecube being worst then ps2.
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GF4TI's memory bandwidth? Try 10.4GB/Sec ?
I dunno what PS2's is.
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Well i dont know what the hell u play lately lol, but erm my card runs alot of nice games, second of all ps2 runs at 640x480 max if im not mistaken. So yea :P And second of all motion blur isnt that hard to implement. It was even in ff7. Also my pentium233mmx and voodoo banshee ran ff7 beatifully :) Motion blur was basic like but it still was there. Ps2 is overrated say what u want :) I am not biased at all towards systems, but im just facing facts man... like argh some ppl are so mesmerized that they consider XBOX worst hardware then ps2, or gamecube being worst then ps2.
Well I play Tribes2, which is already 1 year old. And I still get like 20-30 fps at max details + FSAA
Also, Fifa 2002 at maximum details, I think I'm getting less than 20-30 FPS at times.
Could it be my processor? Probably. I'm only running at 1.2GHz. I don't really need anything faster for the moment because it is really an _overkill_ for what I do (programming, video encoding, graphics, etc) and I hardly touch any games nowadays.
Personally I don't like GF2's AA, its crap, really.
Yes, PS2 games runs on 640X480, have to agree on that, PC beats PS2 in terms of crispness/sharpness ... or whatever you call it.
And , uh, don't be mistaken , I'm not a PS2 supporter, if you ask me which is better overall I would still say PC, because PC has better games than PS2. I'm just trying to say that the PS2 has a good graphics engine, if not great?...
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I don't know man :/ I just don't see it like that, i have a pentium IV 1.8GHz@2GHz and geforce2GTS right now slightly overclocked games like jk2 i get 90fps at max settings :/
The only reason certain games on ps2 look so great is cause the detail gets distorted by low res games, so u cant quite tell for example a sharp polygon angle turn on a character or car or whatever, and such just how i view it :/ MGS2 for example aint that great to me no more (im very critical so that u know of my work and of others heh) I was never so impressed by the rain on the ship it just proved more bluriness and dizziness to hide away lack of true detail and hell textures are still blury :/
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GF4TI's memory bandwidth? Try 10.4GB/Sec ?
I dunno what PS2's is.
Alright, just made some research.
PS2's graphics memory bandwidth = 48GB per sec.
Gigatron: No wonder. lol 1.2Ghz and 2Ghz is a huge difference, really and it's not surprising that you get the desired Frame rates while I don't :P
Anyway I'll stop making posts on this topic as I feel it'll go on forever and ever.... heh. Give others some chance to state/express their opinions.
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http://consolebattle.8k.com/ps2.html
there are the specs of the ps2 remember kids 300MHz console is not the same as a 300MHz PC lol :) Doesn't PS2 have a RISC chip?
Also here is a system comparison :D
http://www.planetxbox.com/hardware/system/
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Lol.
Let's just say the PC uses the brute force approach to everything.
"It can't do that yet? Let's just add more power to the chip"
PC makers just seem to care less about perfection.
They release broken games cause they know the can release patches.
They don't bother releasing proper drivers and proper hardware cause they know they can get the users to upgrade it.
In the case of the PS2, they've pretty much done all the optimization they can. Since the PS2 was meant to play games and nothing else (besides DVD's and CD's), everything in it is optimized to do just that. So, all the game developers have to focus on is using the current features available.
*forgot what he wanted to say cause he was busy reading the article in the link below*
http://www.xbitlabs.com/video/visiontek-gf4ti4400/
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PS2's graphics memory bandwidth = 48GB per sec.
im almost positive thats wrong. the only thing the number 48 is linked to is the number of audio channels on the ps2.
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SaiNT: Amazing, you were able to sum up all my thoughts on the PC market in that short post. I couldn't agree more. Console programmers do tend to spend more work perfecting the game, and since the hardware is common they can add these little extras without worry. But the PC style grows deep, just look at companies who port PC games to PS2 - often not a pretty sight.
Darkness: No, 48GB/s is correct. The PS2 GPU utilizes a 2560-bit bus capable of 48GB/s.
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Lastly, I don't agree at all with people saying the PS2 is nothing crap, surviving on the marketing hype. There's a reason well-known development companies like Square choose to work with PS2, and it isn't "hype". I've met people (no relation to this topic) who've bashed the PS2, saying it's crap, the system specs compare to their 5-year-old PC, how their PC would whoop the PS2's ass, there aren't any good games for the PS2, it's horribly overrated and hyped by Sony etc. etc. But then when asked if they'd ever played a PS2, they'd say "no, of course not, I don't buy crap". Makes it kind of hard to accurately judge the console, no? :)
It's not like I hate the PC market (I do happen to own one, and play games on it), it's just that I wish the sense of perfection found on the console platform (Xbox excluded) would find its way onto the PC market. I've played game labelled as "the embodiment of perfection", and what I see are polygonized people with more resemblance to a wooden stick than a human being. Way too many PC developers argue that a game gets better by making the textures twice as detailed (requiring 4x the video mem), or doubling the polygon count. They're not as worried about actually making good use of that extra detail.
The PC's increasingly powerful hardware is, as SaiNt says, a double-edged sword. Developers spend more time raising texture and poly count, and less time optimizing the game. The reason console games (not just the PS2) have outstanding games (IMO) is just because the hardware is limited. Developers have to tweak and optimize to get the game playable, and on older consoles graphics was very limited, so gameplay was the keyword to making the game enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the consoles are perfect, lots of rotten games get out there too. I'm just subtly implying that there's a greater chance of finding a good game (by my standards) on a console than on PC.
PC games can be a lot of fun, but if I want a game that's pure enjoyment, beauty and atmosphere, the PC market is not where I look for it. Flight simulators, strategy games, first-person shooters, all that is PC domain. Each platform has its strengths, it's when they try to take a piece of the other's cake things get complicated.
Crap, crap, crap. I wen't off rambling again. Just remember that these are all my personal opinions, if they don't coincide with yours, there's no need to take offense. Feel free to point out any errors in my facts, but please don't go off on a bash saying I'm wrong for liking the PS2 or having certain views on the gaming market. Thank you.
:weep: - near death after playing FFX since last thursday
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Well I guess what The Saint said was true after all. I've read that type of statement in a website recently ,when they reviewed XBox and compared it to a PC. :)
Qhimm: Probably it's your opinion, I do agree with most of your points. But personally, ok, I said personally... I prefer PC games over console. You might think the other way, but hey; us humans have different choices right?
I've played before a PS2 (although I never own it), Dreamcast, PS1, N64 and several consoles before.... somehow I still don't really like using the gamepad. But for games like Final Fantasy, it is an exception :D
I don't like using a console, really..
I play First Person Shooter, RPG, strategy and simulation games. Probably that explains why I don't really like to play consoles that much.
Nevertheless, we musn't underestimate a console though.... I've read in a newspaper a year ago (probably 2 years) about PS1... Saddam Hussein bought a million of them for their processing power.... thus I feel that a console has a lot of processing power.....
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My 450mhz PC with my 64meg GF2 & 256mb of RAM can out perform a PS2 with no problems.
However, that's assuming that I'm running the game, and ONLY the game. No OS or anything. Just the game.
It's when you run an OS on your system that you suddenly need a 3Ghz+ processor with 1GB or RAM. Because suddenly, you need the processing power and memory for the OS, and all of it's sub-systems. Windows alone nearly taxes my system.
Can modern computers outperform a PS2? Yes. Can it do so with modern equipment & an OS? Not yet, but that level of technology is coming, and coming soon...
In the meantime, the PS3 should be coming out in a year or so...
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Yeah, that's an advantage of consoles, they really don't need that much of an OS...
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The OS does account for part of the PC dragdown, but it's not the sole source of evil for PC gaming. We're still left with the fact that there's hardly two identical PC configurations in the world, a lot of subsystems, drivers and generalization is needed. The game has to be written at a very generic level, or have specific versions for specific hardware. Either way, programmers can't (or doesn't have the endurance to) take advantage of certain hardware-specific features fully. The result is that they only use the stuff supported by the average card, but use more and more of it. For some types of games, this produces a good result, but it's hard to create these subtle effects for atmosphere using only these... I mean, even motion blur still isn't widely supported and has to be pseudo-implemented by say, double-rendering each poly at offsets. This was supported from the start on the PSX, and that's quite a while ago now. That is one of the consoles' primary strengths, the universal hardware configuration. But now that console expansion kits are getting more common, I have a nagging suspicion in the back of my head... :(
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::gargles with tongue hanging out:: Oooh. I think I should marry my PS2 instead. I already knew that the PS2's bandwidth was enoumous, but not THAT much. I'm glad that people of your knowledge have clarified this for me, and everyone (especially my m8 who think his future XBOX is gonna rock. All I can say is LAAAAAAAAG!) He was complaining about lag on Blood Omen 2 on the PS2, I don't think he understands games have to LOAD!
Who manufactured the Emotion engine and the GPU?
EDIT: Also, I think he should look at the post above mine from Qhimm. Here John, here's your answer to why PC-converted XBOX games look better than the PC equivelent. Develepers have to cater for those without Athlon XPs.
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::gargles with tongue hanging out:: Oooh. I think I should marry my PS2 instead. I already knew that the PS2's bandwidth was enoumous, but not THAT much. I'm glad that people of your knowledge have clarified this for me, and everyone (especially my m8 who think his future XBOX is gonna rock. All I can say is LAAAAAAAAG!) He was complaining about lag on Blood Omen 2 on the PS2, I don't think he understands games have to LOAD!
These are my PERSONAL OPINIONS.... please do not start shouting at me for no reason :P You can post your opinion if you want.
XBOX. Why I hate it?
Reasons:
(vs. PS2)
1. Graphics? Am I sarcastic or what... well this is my personal opinion about Xbox's graphics: It's crap. I don't know. Everybody's hyping about Halo, which I don't see anything special at all. Also, you don't play FPS on a console, do you?? I've tried playing UT on Dreamcast, it was a horrible experience. I feel that PS2 has better graphics than Xbox, I might be wrong.
2. Gamepad. Awww... just look at XBox's gamepad! For heaven's sake. I am going to be 18 next year, and yet I feel that my hands are too small for the bulky gamepad. The button designs are..... ok I think. But I don't really like it. I prefer PS2's, it's more simplistic and comfortable to hold. (Also the nice ol' Dual Shock :D )
3. Lack of good games. Well, I don't play consoles, but I must admit that Xbox has not many games to offer. And look at the pricing of the games, it's ridiculous! 45 quid for a XBox game. A PS2 game would cost 10 pounds cheaper. Huh.
Well that's it really. If I was given the chance to buy a console, I would definitely go for a PS2. It's cheaper than Xbox, after all. (Although GameCube is the cheapest latest console)
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XBOX. Why I hate it?
Reasons:
(vs. PS2)
I'm also gonna go vs. Gamecube.
1. Graphics? Am I sarcastic or what... well this is my personal opinion about Xbox's graphics: It's crap. I don't know. Everybody's hyping about Halo, which I don't see anything special at all. Also, you don't play FPS on a console, do you?? I've tried playing UT on Dreamcast, it was a horrible experience. I feel that PS2 has better graphics than Xbox, I might be wrong.
PS2 has been around longer and developers have had more time to get used to it. I remember when PS2 was new (in Japan), most all the early games weren't that impressive. Gamecube and X-Box are both definately capable of better graphics than PS2.... give 'em a year.
2. Gamepad. Awww... just look at XBox's gamepad! For heaven's sake. I am going to be 18 next year, and yet I feel that my hands are too small for the bulky gamepad. The button designs are..... ok I think. But I don't really like it. I prefer PS2's, it's more simplistic and comfortable to hold. (Also the nice ol' Dual Shock )
Very true. PS2's gamepad is better (and Gamecube's is cool too).
3. Lack of good games. Well, I don't play consoles, but I must admit that Xbox has not many games to offer. And look at the pricing of the games, it's ridiculous! 45 quid for a XBox game. A PS2 game would cost 10 pounds cheaper. Huh.
PS2 and GCN both have some impressive games. The only X-Box game that I've heard is really good is Halo. PS2 has FFX, GTA3, MGS2, etc.... and GCN definatley has SSB:M (enough said).
Well that's it really. If I was given the chance to buy a console, I would definitely go for a PS2. It's cheaper than Xbox, after all. (Although GameCube is the cheapest latest console)
Um... I dunno about where you are, but here, PS2 and X-Box are both $199.99 and GCN is $149.99. Games all sell for about the same price ($50 for new games).
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The reason why I didn't compare it to a GC is because I didn't see a GC b4, so I guess I better shut up about GC. What I know is that GC is cheap compared to PS2 and Xbox.
And er, you're right; Xbox and GC definitely can beat PS2 in graphics, guess I made a mistake there.
Made another mistake in pricing, yeah both Xbox and PS2 are at the same price. I was thinking about a few weeks ago, where Xbox costed 299 pounds vs. PS2's 199 pounds :P
As about games... I don't really think I am making a mistake here, Xbox games do cost a bit dearer than PS2's or GC's........
But I'm definitely not mistaken about this one:
GC doesn't have a DVD drive, but it uses a special CD drive instead (1.5gig capacity? or something like that)
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GC doesn't have a DVD drive, but it uses a special CD drive instead (1.5gig capacity? or something like that)
Not entirely correct. Gamecube does have a DVD drive... it's just only big enough to hold 3 inch DVDs (1.5 gig). Since normal-sized DVDs cannot fit in it, obviously you cannot use it as a DVD player.
Advantages to the smaller DVDs: Well, they're harder to burn (I've never seen 3-inch DVD-Rs on sale) so this has killed piracy of GCN games, at least for now. It's also just... smaller. Not to mention that the track that the actual data is on is only like an inch wide, meaning extremely low seek time (which probably contributes to GCN's amazingly fast loading speeds).
Disadvantages... well you can't hold as much data (1.5 gig compared to DVD 4.7 gig) but 1.5 gig is still plenty for most games. They can always go double-disc or double-layer or maybe even double-sided (or some combination of the three). And of course, you can't use your GCN as a DVD player :-p Some people care about that, but I don't.
If you REALLY wanna use your GCN as a DVD player, you can buy that thing from Panasonic (Q-something) that is a DVD player Gamecube combo. Unfortunatly, you have to get it modded to play US/Europe DVDs/games (I dunno if it'll do PAL, actually) and it ends up costing like $400. Ow.
Hopefully they'll be smart and release a US version.
Interesting thought... I wonder if the GCN can read 3 inch CD-Rs? I've seen them at stores. Would be kinda interesting, b/c then it would be possible for the average user to program for the GCN (like some people have come up with Game Boy or PSX demos).
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Unforunatly, they wanted to release it in the US, but decided against it. Probably because the most piracy in the world come from the US. With a PGQ (Panasonic Game Q) you could easily make a DVD-R copy of your favorite Gamecube game and play it. (That's a theory, I haven't heard of anyone doing it.)
In Short, you can get a univerally modded Panasonic Game Q for about $400-450, but there are currently no plans to offically released in the US. :evil:
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I actually thought that most of the piracy came from other countries.. like uh.. like.. well just other poorish countries.. people dont have the money to buy software so they pirate it.. this is what i heard.. not alot of crackers in the U.S. mostly script kiddies.. i am talking the hard to pirate stuff.. nevermind i will shut up now..
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hey... I could be wrong about that piracy thing...
Sephiroth 3D
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Maybe some day they'll put out 3-inch DVD-Rs... there are 3-inch CD-Rs around now (approx 150 meg I think). I wonder if any gamecube games can fit on 150 meg?
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FFTacticBoy: I know. I wasn't being sarcastic about my PS2. XBOX is s***e on a stick
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I actually thought that most of the piracy came from other countries.. like uh.. like.. well just other poorish countries.. people dont have the money to buy software so they pirate it.. this is what i heard.. not alot of crackers in the U.S. mostly script kiddies.. i am talking the hard to pirate stuff.. nevermind i will shut up now..
haha lol Malaysia is well-known for piracy. One PC game only cost like 1.7 USD?
Even funnier is, if u buy more CD, they reduce the price. LOL haha.
VCDs are even cheaper, they cost like erm.. 0.80 USD? ridiculous prices. Not only that, it is DVD quality. Sharp 'n' clear.
Aaron: Thanks for clearing that :) I thought GC uses their own tech for their own drive..... heh.
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Um... VCD's are definately not DVD quality, or "sharp and clear." Let's compare:
VCD: 352x240 pixels
DVD: 720x480 pixels
DVD is twice the resolution! I dunno about you, but I definately noticed this the first time I saw a VCD.
There are "Super VCD's" (SVCD) and those are 480x480 (I think it stretches it horizontally to fit on the screen). Not quite there yet though...
BTW, I think SVHS tapes are higher quality than VCDs, if I remember correctly. You can't really give a resolution to them though, since they aren't digital.
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Hmm... How much is a PS2 in Malaysia, in USD? I wonder if I could import it & play it... :wicked:
Also, how much is a Gamecube? Just curious...
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Hmm... How much is a PS2 in Malaysia, in USD? I wonder if I could import it & play it... :wicked:
Also, how much is a Gamecube? Just curious...
We have no "pirated" PS2's in Malaysia, so it'll probably be more or less the same price. :P
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Hmm... How much is a PS2 in Malaysia, in USD? I wonder if I could import it & play it... :wicked:
Also, how much is a Gamecube? Just curious...
We have no "pirated" PS2's in Malaysia, so it'll probably be more or less the same price. :P
Yes we do have it in Penang, Saint. It costs around RM1300 (~USD 300)
But it has some mods, first is the lens (obviously...) <to play DVD> and a VG mod for the memory card as well lol :lol:
And one DVD costs RM12 (that would be 3 USD?)
Anyway PS1 games are dirt cheap now in msia... like 0.80 USD for a CD?
However, it has a setback though. Abuse the modded PS2 (i.e like playing 10 hours a day) and I think the modded PS2 will easily wear off in a year or two. Control yourself, and I think it should be able to last for 5 years?..
Aaron:
Yeah, I know VCDs have lower resolution than DVDs, I am just trying to mean that the quality of the VCD is nearly the same as DVD? (Although they can't be as sharp?)
Kinda hard to explain it to you, ..usually VCDs don't look sharp, ermm..
Anyway .... umm.. PC Games price dropping as well... heh if I'm not mistaken, since I left Malaysia the price has dropped from RM7 to RM6(~1.55 USD)?
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He means that the pirate vcds in Malaysia now use mpeg4 encoding which makes it fit on a disk, The Pirated Tomb Raider is dvd quality on a vcd disk.
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He means that the pirate vcds in Malaysia now use mpeg4 encoding which makes it fit on a disk, The Pirated Tomb Raider is dvd quality on a vcd disk.
Yeah! You catch my drift. That's what I am thinking.... heh thanks for clearing stuff up.
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Usual... pirated DVD apiece costs bout RM20 and its much more expensive compared to VCDs RM5 apiece.
PC games cost RM10, RM5 or RM8 apiece depending on where u buy it.
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I thought you could get dvd fakes for about 13rm and games for 8rm? At the klcc.
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Yes we do have it in Penang, Saint. It costs around RM1300 (~USD 300)
But it has some mods, first is the lens (obviously...) <to play DVD> and a VG mod for the memory card as well lol :lol:
Uhm, you sure about it?
Who would buy it if it costs just as much as the original?
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Yes we do have it in Penang, Saint. It costs around RM1300 (~USD 300)
But it has some mods, first is the lens (obviously...) <to play DVD> and a VG mod for the memory card as well lol :lol:
Uhm, you sure about it?
Who would buy it if it costs just as much as the original?
Well yeah I am pretty sure 'bout it; because I have a friend from Imperial London who has just went back to KL, he bought himself a PS2 (His is original though) and he told me that it is possible to mod it. I've also got a few Penang contacts in my ICQ (my ex-schoolmates) who told me that it is possible to mod PS2 as well.
I don't understand the bit where you say about price.. I mean if it costs RM12 for a game (DVD), wouldn't you save more than buying an original DVD (Probably RM170 for new titles??<Conversion from UK pounds>)
And a PS2 costs RM800 now (that's according to my Imperial friend heh :) )
Well anyway I won't be back to Malaysia till.... end of next year heh. So probably prices will continue dropping..... :)
Jari: well, er... yeah true a VCD will never reach DVD quality.... heh
Joey: Pirated DVDs for RM20? hmm I thought it would be RM50...
Zophixan: Well it depends on where you buy your CD though, if its in places like KL probably they will hike up the price a bit.. in my state (Penang), they sell games for like RM6.
Since I've moved to UK, I've stopped gaming. Good news? Yeah. Probably. Thinking of getting a Gamecube here, but er.. I'll just wait.
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I think its mpeg4, it has dvd like menus though, I'll see if I can take a pic.
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There is no player (DVD or VCD player) that can play MPEG-4 encoded movies. Perhaps because, MPEG-4 has yet to be fully standardized.
VCD uses MPEG-1 and DVDs use MPEG-2.
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Well yeah I am pretty sure 'bout it; because I have a friend from Imperial London who has just went back to KL, he bought himself a PS2 (His is original though) and he told me that it is possible to mod it. I've also got a few Penang contacts in my ICQ (my ex-schoolmates) who told me that it is possible to mod PS2 as well.
I don't think you quite get what I meant.
If you mean "modded" PS2 instead or "pirated" PS2 then you are right, we do have pre-modded PS2's here in KL as well.
The term "pirated" PS2 refers to a PS2 that was wholly created by a 3rd party and not Sony.
Mind you, "pirated" PS1's do exist in M'sia. They're about RM100 cheaper than the originals.
I don't understand the bit where you say about price.. I mean if it costs RM12 for a game (DVD), wouldn't you save more than buying an original DVD (Probably RM170 for new titles??<Conversion from UK pounds>)
I meant the price of the PS2, not the DVD's.
And a PS2 costs RM800 now (that's according to my Imperial friend heh :) )
And he is right.
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I just put in the tomb raider disk and checked its properties, its a few gigbytes!!! WTF!! It works in my dvd player btw.
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Well yeah I am pretty sure 'bout it; because I have a friend from Imperial London who has just went back to KL, he bought himself a PS2 (His is original though) and he told me that it is possible to mod it. I've also got a few Penang contacts in my ICQ (my ex-schoolmates) who told me that it is possible to mod PS2 as well.
I don't think you quite get what I meant.
If you mean "modded" PS2 instead or "pirated" PS2 then you are right, we do have pre-modded PS2's here in KL as well.
The term "pirated" PS2 refers to a PS2 that was wholly created by a 3rd party and not Sony.
Mind you, "pirated" PS1's do exist in M'sia. They're about RM100 cheaper than the originals.
Oh .. seems that I've mixed up things here.. I get your point.... yeah there are modded PS2s... ok now I understand about the pirate PS2... well yeah, I don't think there is a pirate PS2 in Malaysia. I didn't even know that there is a pirated PS1.. :lol:
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Message.
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Oh dear indeed. The irony of that first sentence is almost too much to bear.
Joey, did your parents sell your brain for extra income or something?
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*Deleted for the sake of my face and also everyone's view about me*
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So ... we shouldn't trust websites or magazines ... we should believe *you*? Okaaaaaay....
Shall we say, Joey, the term "bullshit" leaps to mind.
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Damn, the perception of the M'sian average IQ level has dropped dramatically on this site again.
*hides in a corner*
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Joey, why aren't you happy in the real world? And why do you insist on polluting this forum with your crap? You're either getting your kicks out of annoying people, or too stupid for your own good.
I've cut you a lot of slack in the past, but if you start arguing that we don't know what we're talking about, you have no place here.
But just for fun, a quick analysis of your post reveals the following:
1. You don't know how a DVD works
2. You don't know how a TV works
3. You don't know how DirectX works
4. You don't know how a game works
And still, you open your mouth... In short, your argument is that the Xbox outputs data directly from the DVD to the TV, whereas the PS2 outputs data from the DVD to the TV. Okay, good point. And no CPU or GPU involved, I take it (good thing, you probably never heard of any of them).
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Unfortunately, Because of this, the graphics will have to be "redrawn" in the TV, resulting in quality loss. Xbox elimated this problem by directly outputing the data directly from the DVD to the TV(DirectX techonology).
Ok, so, the TV has some kind of 3D hardware that it uses to re-render the image? Is that what we're getting at here?
Qhimm's right. :-p
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FFTactic_Boy:
Beats me. It is RM20 in Petaling Street.
About PS2/Xbox
So far, only game developers know. For your info(and if you are crazy enough to dismantle your PS2 like my friend) there is a hard disk like device which reads graphics from the DVD at a high speed and then outputs it to the TV, also at a very high speed.
Well..... you assume that your friend dismantles a PS2 and he knows how it works??? Wow.. so if I were to dismantle a PC and show it to someone who doesn't know how it works.... do I expect him to know how it works??
So everything on the net, magazines, are lies??? So you can't tell if your PC is running at XXXX MHz without taking out and taking a good look at the processor chip??....
Dude.... get a life man.... sigh maybe you need to take a walk or something.. :) You're thinking too far..... and ermm... well I guess I better shut up now.
Edit - whoops, misread Joey's post..... he said it is a hard disk like device... not a hard disk :P
(Deleted away two or three irrelevant sentences)
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Damn, the perception of the M'sian average IQ level has dropped dramatically on this site again.
*hides in a corner*
Nah, we know better. I'm sure that he's merely some sort of genetic anomoly, and anything he posts won't be leveled against proper Malaysia as a whole.
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*Sigh*
. . . even though every one else has torn this post apart, I just CAN'T sit by and NOT say something about this.
First of all, does anyone here, have an exact idea on how a PS2 works, other than reading from magazines?)
I don't know about 'anyone' else, but obviously you have no clue.
there is a hard disk like device which reads graphics from the DVD at a high speed and then outputs it to the TV, also at a very high speed.
Joey, do you realize how little sense this sentence makes? Do you even have any idea what a hard disk is? For that matter, do you even have any idea what a TV is?
Unfortunately, Because of this, the graphics will have to be "redrawn" in the TV, resulting in quality loss.
Redrawn in the TV, eh? and how does the TV 'redraw' the graphics? With what mechanism does it accomplish this feet? Please tell me Joey. I'd really like to know. I thought I knew what a TV did, but I guess I was wrong?
(since I know you can't detect it, that last paragraph was blatant sarcasm.)
Xbox elimated this problem by directly outputing the data directly from the DVD to the TV(DirectX techonology).
Joey, what is DirectX? you can't answer that question, can you . . . actually, I bet you can, but it won't be any where NEAR right, so just DON'T answer.
In fact, for the good of this forum . . . no for the good of the world . . . don't talk . . . ever . . . again. Just shut up. Maybe people will start liking you then. Actually, just forget I said that last sentence, it won't happen . . . but still don't talk.
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There I go again, saying something that I shouldn't. Maybe it should be limited to my friends and the guys in ICQ.
Sorry guys.
Joey
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Damn .. Joey killed the posts before i had a chance to tear him up too.. i dont know how many times i have said shut up joey.. naive joey... but every village needs an idiot..
you know what i like about the people here.. the intelligence levels vary vastly.. if i dont know something i just shut up or ask... when i make statements i can back them up.. or atleast i say.. i think that is right.. no one is always right.. well.. actually i am starting to think Qhimm is .. Jari.. Fice... i dont think i have ever seen an unintelligent post by any of them... Saint.. In fact... all the mods.. hmm.. mebbe thats why they are MoDz......
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Well, my intellegence varies according to my mood. I was having a good one when I won in a contest and blurted everything out. And now, I'm more sober and correcting the mistakes I make.
Having a split personality is tough, huh.
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Dudes, come on, cut him some slack, he is still a kid and doesn't even have a clue what he is talking about. You should all know by now what the type of comments he makes. Just let him be.
Lets not start to make this thread into a Joey bashing fest.
However, let me enjoy a little bit of it.
Xbox elimated this problem by directly outputing the data directly from the DVD to the TV(DirectX techonology).
O_o WTF are you talking about? So you are telling us that a graphics card and a CPU are now useless in a PC or video game console system?
Having a split personality is tough, huh.
As Caddberry says Shut up, Joey
Well, I just had to release that from my system, but really, Joey, no offense, don't post about something you don't really know or pay the price (flaming).
-vvalentine
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Joey: 1) dont belive everything what somebody says.
2) dont tell 'its truth, i swear, my friend told it to me'
3) dont try to argue about thing you know little about
hm, should make your life easier. i hope
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Joey, don't post stuff you don't know to be true, unless you're asking the people here for some more info about it.
I'm not too good when it comes to things like you mentioned, so instead of posting "EVERYONE I KNOW SOMEFING!" I either question if it's a ridiculous thing to post, or if someone on the board might know better.
Oh yeah, it was kinda late to delete your post.
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Split personality? ok.......
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I'm quite amazed some of you people are still defending Joey. "My intelligence varies according to my mood", he says. Well by now, me banning Joey's ass out of here varies according to my mood. He obviously still needs this place more than it needs him; I expect him to act to conserve his own interests then. No, I will not cut him any more slack, if you're old enough to type you're old enough to behave properly and to learn from your errors. There are no excuses left anymore.
So, Joey. Catch me in a bad mood with shit like this, and you're out of here. Feel like trying your luck?
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Well... That's... definant.
Sephiroth 3D @ School
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Wow. And I thought my DAD was harsh!!
Joey, if you ever needed to pay attention to someone, NOW would be that time.
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Oh well, at least I tried to defend him, after all, these are Qhimm's forums. I wash my hands to whatever happens.
-vvalentine
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Joey, you are such an eejit, everyoneknows that all of the gubbins for graphics are in the tv, all the console is is a disc drive which sends the data directly to the tv. I don't know where you got the hard drisc like device from, some people......
:P
Ok now for a serious Q, does anyone know where I can get a super cheap PS2 in the UK, I saw ffx today and i want!
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The cheapest I've seen is $200, but that's for the US version. Sorry. Try Ebay. They may have some good sub-$200 ones.
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Hey, I don't know WHAT ur problem is, but the XBox is a good console.
I admit the fact when it comes to games, it's got nothing, but that's only because Sony has had years to get all the publishers and dif. companies and game titles, like FF.
Were Microsoft to put out a console before Sony's PS1, you bet ur worthless ass that Square would have FF under Micosoft.
The XBox does have good graphics. PS2 and XBox are almost a perfect match graphics wise. If you played the XBox, remeber part of it is the TV too.
You don't like the controllers? Buy the smaller one, moron.
Me, having both consoles in my house, I'd say I tend to favor the PS2, but only cuz of GTA 3 and FF being under it. Think about it. Were Halo to be on PS2, nobody would buy a friggin' XBox.
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jarh7: As mentioned before, please do not bring up topics older than one month. If you feel it is necessary to make a point, such as "The Xbox isn't such a bad console", then feel free to start a new topic. This way we can keep track of threads easier and it makes the board cleaner, instead of a bunch of 3 page off-topic threads.
But just to reply, I bought an Xbox around a month ago, and I'm beginning to regret it. I only bought it for Halo, I forgot about things like FF, XenoSaga, and all the good games on the PS2. However, it's an alright DVD player, and Project Ego sounds pretty good. Just one more year till the next good game comes out... -_-
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I'm not going to bother with the rest of the Convo, but the PS2's bandwidth is weak and absolutely ruined. See, they only gave it about 8 megs total RAM. That's as much as a GamePark handheld! The Dreamcast has a total of 16 Megabytes total RAM. You can have hardware as powerful as you want it, without enough RAM to support it, it's going to be crippled. They've dont some amazing stuff with it now, but that's why good games took so long to come out, the optimizations took awhile since they had to squeeze it all in there.
If Sony had Given the PS2 more RAM I'd be more than happy to snatch one up ^.^ The Only reason I want one now is for the games, really if they came out on PC (like GTA3) then I lose my reason to get one. See, a computer's graphics system can be pretty damn powerful, provided you optimize the dickens out of it like I have (manual tweaking....looong hours). I have a Geforce 2 Pro and I'm sure it could pull off quite a bit...imagine what would happen if I plunked a Geforce 4 into it :wicked:
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I'm not going to bother with the rest of the Convo, but the PS2's bandwidth is weak and absolutely ruined. See, they only gave it about 8 megs total RAM.
Huh? Bandwidth != amount of RAM. In fact, if PS2 doesn't have enough bandwidth for you show us something that has. Feel free to read the first page of this _really old_ (eerrrr is correct, ancient topics should be left alone, unless you have something _really_ important to say) topic, there's some discussion about bandwidth in there.
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I'm not going to bother with the rest of the Convo, but the PS2's bandwidth is weak and absolutely ruined. See, they only gave it about 8 megs total RAM. That's as much as a GamePark handheld! The Dreamcast has a total of 16 Megabytes total RAM. You can have hardware as powerful as you want it, without enough RAM to support it, it's going to be crippled. They've dont some amazing stuff with it now, but that's why good games took so long to come out, the optimizations took awhile since they had to squeeze it all in there.
If Sony had Given the PS2 more RAM I'd be more than happy to snatch one up ^.^ The Only reason I want one now is for the games, really if they came out on PC (like GTA3) then I lose my reason to get one. See, a computer's graphics system can be pretty damn powerful, provided you optimize the dickens out of it like I have (manual tweaking....looong hours). I have a Geforce 2 Pro and I'm sure it could pull off quite a bit...imagine what would happen if I plunked a Geforce 4 into it :wicked:
lolx, PS2's bandwidth is nearly 5x of a GeForce4 Ti, so I don't see why it is 'weak'................. as Jari said, read the first page. Heh heh.
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No, what I'm saying is they ruined it's bandwidth. It can't use as effectively because of the lack of RAM.
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At the very least, they could have anticipated the use of FSAA, and give the system more VRAM. I've heard that 4mb isn't enought to even pull of 2x FSAA.
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Exactly. That's why they had to use a hardware blurring effect (similar to the one in Pete's plugins, but not as good looking) in the early games...Look at Tekken. Now the Developers have found a way to sneak into using the rest of the RAM, but it's still not enough...
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I do not remember correctly, but was LinuxKit for XBOX or PS2...
Under Linux... I'm sure you might be able to run some windows apps, other emulators, even some of PC-games...
But will XBOX or PS2 (with LinuxKit) show the better performance then PC??? (such as games, and etc)???
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The Linux Kit's for the PS2, however some guy in America is saying he'll pay a large amount of money to whoever develops a Linux program for the Xbox.
An emulator on the Xbox would be pretty cool, but things like that take ages to program and they're always making updates. So if you bought the software you might have to continuously upgrade it, unless they decided to make use of the console's broadband features and put the upgrades online.
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yeah....in response about the message about subjects older than one month.
Sorry 'bout that. Really. I neglected to notice the sign saying how many pages there were....and automatically assumed that was the latest reply.
kinda stupid of me