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Read this article (all pages in it)
http://www4.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q2/0106041/index.html
Damn.
If Nvidia goes around designing chipsets like that, pretty soon they'll be making Nvidia M/B's with Nvidia Ram etc etc. You get the idea
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But the technology sure look good, especially the sound. I hear it done AC-3 on hardware, don't know if it's true or not. Also AGP 6x for the intergrated graphic ( yes you read it right, 6x ). The slot is still 4x though.
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Well they are taking over the world just like Vince McMahon. Damn looks like they will fight it out then.
Looks neat!
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aaargh
u guys are slow
nvidia are making shipsets, and its been planned for agessssss !!!
it was codenamed nVidia Crush chipsets
it uses licensed AMD HyperTransport BUS technology, to give incredible speeds between components on the motherboard.intial tests are promising but this chipset will only feature an AMD CPU boards.
intial features include:
integrated Geforce2MX GPU sharing system ram (REMEMBER SYSTEM RAM IS SLOWER THAN GRAPHICS RAM FOR GRAPHICS WORK),
integrated AC 3 sound chip.
integrated DDR ram controller,
and other stuff.
these chips will feature on a few boards at first due to its high cost, - $50 per chipset (dunno what currency :P)
but expect to see it on micro ATX form factor boards as this looks tempting for low end solutions.
and all this was off the top of my head :)
its been in developement since the announcement of integrated SPU GPU for the Xbox from nvidia.
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ok i checked out the site above and heres a full detailed spec check from toms'
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Memory bandwidth is high due to the IGP's twin bank memory controller for SDR as well as DDR SDRAM, with a 128-bit wide data path.
Memory latency is reduced due to the crossbar configuration of the two separate 64-bit wide memory controllers as well as due to the integrated DASP (Dynamic Adaptive Speculative Pre-Processor), which is something like a intelligent small third-level cache for the processor.
The integrated GeForce2MX-like graphics controller is internally connected to the chipset core with a path that has a bandwidth of 1.5 GB/s, equal to 6xAGP.
External graphics cards can take advantage of 4xAGP.
The connection to the south bridge is realized with AMD's HyperTransport interface, which offers a much higher bandwidth than the traditionally used PCI bus as well as the lately used 'hub architecture' (Intel) or 'V-Link' (VIA).
SOUTH BRIDGE CHIP
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High bandwidth HyperTransport interface as connection to the IGP.
Dual ATA100 IDE controller
NVIDIA APU (Audio Processing Unit) sound device with a huge feature set, including Dolby Digital encoding for AC3-output.
Full networking feature set, including FastEthernet 100/10 Mbit, HomePNA 2.0 (home phone line networking) and SoftModem
Six concurrent USB-ports with 2 USB-hubs
SteamThru, allowing high bandwidth and guaranteed real time memory access of all devices connected to the MCP, as typically required by video or audio broadcasting from disk, CD, DVD, LAN, WAN, IEEE1394 or when burning a CDROM.
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THE SPU COMPONENT
Hardware DirectX8 audio processor (the first of its kind)
Up to 256 different stereo voices, of which 192 are 2D-voices and 64 are 3D-voices
Dolby Digital 5.1 Encoder
DSL2-acceleration (Downloadable Sample Version 2)
32 bin mixer, with 8 voice volumes mixed to each bin (to get to 256)
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there u go in a nutshell costs alot though
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edit
damn the pic didnt work :P
[This message has been edited by The Skillster (edited June 09, 2001).]
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Hmm. I might get one of them.
Good sound chip. Add a nice Processor,my GeForce 2 Pro and some DDR ram and it should work well. Hmm. Maybe.
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the problem with this style of chip sir canealot is that its aimed at lo end MBs
so if u get one chances are:
it has no AGP slot (50%chance)
it has 1-3 PCI slots (80%)
its micro ATX format (90%)
theres 2/3 ddr slots only if there aint any sdram (80%)
and im against built in components anyway it reduces the machines life due to the fact it becomes a bitch to upgrade, and u cant sell the sound card u upgraded cos its built in! if u know wot i mean.
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it has no AGP slot (50%chance)
Anandtech article say it will have AGP port just like i815.
it has 1-3 PCI slots (80%)
Asus board is Standard ATX, so 5 or 6 PCI is posiible.
its micro ATX format (90%)
Read above.
theres 2/3 ddr slots only if there aint any sdram (80%)
I think it's only DDR solution.
and im against built in components anyway it reduces the machines life due to the fact it becomes a bitch to upgrade, and u cant sell the sound card u upgraded cos its built in! if u know wot i mean.
The built-in soundcard look much better than Soundblaster Live or any other soundcard, at least on paper. The best features is to be hardware AC-3, so maybe PS2/X-Box true sound emulation is psoiible after all.
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Looks great, but the cost is *not* gonna be nice. I mean, if I was upgrading my motherboard, I don't want to have to pay for an integrated GF2MX and super sound card, I'd like to reuse my existing ones. I don't have a choice with that chipset. It's not so bad if the integrated video/sound is crap, then it hasn't really raised the price of the board, but something as good as that? Not so good for upgraders.
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Yes, but for first timers and completely new systems, it looks like a steal. As long as the sound is as good as it's supposed to be, people won't have to worry about plunking down $90+ (US) for a decent sound card. I think it'll be interesting to see if and how AMD will take advantage of this. My personal bet is that they'll somehow try to incorporate it into their upcoming next generation products.
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Oh yeah, you're right on that. I can see prebuilt computers using it a lot. Of course, it does have its problems ... what if your kickass inbuilt video card breaks? Send the whole M/B off to be fixed? At least with a separate card you *might* have an old spare video card you could use in the mean time (I certainly do).
Generally it is a nice system; I'm just not fond of all-in-one systems for the reasons I've given.
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If the built-in video card breaks down, then just plug-in another new GeForce3 and disable the on-board VGA - just like i815. So are with the built-in soundcard.
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no listen up
what i meant is that
this chipset is AIMED for low end systems market / first time buyers / OEMs
there for the mainboard manufacturers will maybe choose not to include certain features to reduce the cost of the board (after all the chipset is a bit dear considering the alternatives) u get me?
plus soundblaster live will be superseeded by a new card soon (SB audugy i think) so it might not b worth it for exisitng owners.
the percentage i was quoting is for overall mainboard manufacterers (not including big names like abit and asus)
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If something breaks then buy a new one? I don't think so! If it was under warranty I'd damn well get it replaced. The point I was making was, if it *was* under warranty, you'd end up sending off your whole computer (the motherboard, anyway) in order to get it replaced.
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And actually I don't see anything wrong with it, unless of course if the seller don't honour your warranty. And the Anandtech have indicated that the chipset is aimed to high-end market, unlike others intergrated solutions. Actually I'm hoping that nVidia will make a new soundcard based from their South-bridge chipset. For sure it will kick ass!
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Well, you see, SBLive! has ALREADY been surpassed, and alot of people haven't heard of it or dismiss it as some kinda damn budget card. The Philips Acoustic Edge is THE best card on the market now. Go buy one.
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Chibimaruko: That's not a problem? It would be for me! If my sound card broke, I'd rather not have to send off the whole PC in order to get it replaced!
yes, if they made separate expansion cards with all these chipsets then that *would* be good. And if they produced a version of this kickass motherboard without the integrated sound/graphics/everything. The chipsets sound great, I'd just rather there was a non-integrated option as well. Hopefully there will be.
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It supports DLS soundfonts, as well as the whole Yamaha thingy.
Trust me, once you plug that thing in your computer and play with it enough, you will never hear music/sound/MIDI the same way again.
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Yes, but ... 5.9MB?? Hello? Since when has that been enough?
I guess you could run FF8 in that. Though it wouldn't be able to hold the whole soundfont at once. But we all know how good the basic FF8 soundset is.
It looks great for people who just want multi speaker setups for games and MP3's. Unless it can cope with gigantic soundfonts it just isn't going to cut it for midi though.
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DLS is not sound fonts. Maybe DLS2 is, but not exactly. The only cards that support *.sf2 files is Live! and any Vortex2 card ( only can load soundfonts with no reference samples ). Futhermore, AE soundcard isn't as good as GTXP, which rocks.
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Yes, I know soundfonts and DLS's are different, but only just. I suppose I should have said "soundset" or "soundbank" or "synthbank" to make it clear ... but nevertheless, there isn't much between an SF2 and a DLS. You can even convert between the two formats, for a start.
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Well, gee. I guess having sf2's spoils you guys a bit much.
I've managed to use DLS sets straight outta the WAVE-out on my crappy little built-in VIA card!
Sheesh...here's the review.
Totally flipped the guys opinion.
http://gamersdepot.com/hardware/sound_cards/philips/acoustic_edge/001.htm
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Yes ... and? We weren't debating that it had DLS support, just that the all the specs say about its memory size is about 6MB.
Tech specs for the card say under music synthesis:
"96 channel hardware CD quality (16 bit, 44.1khz) wavetable synthesizer with 5.9MB sample set."
That is, to put it bluntly, crap. DLS support is nice, good. But if it can't use system RAM (or comes with less than 32MB of its own) then the midi synthesis isn't great, regardless of which format (DLS, SF2, ECW) it's taking its sound samples in.
My *normal* GM synth set is 28MB, and I have a 58MB one for high quality synth. If the card can't use samples that big it ain't going to have as good music synthesis.
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Well, you could just overcome the 32MB limit by plugging in 2 SBLive's and using the APS drivers. IIRC, the APS drivers have a much lower latency. Can you put 2 Philips Acoustic Edge's together?
Less than 6MB is a really really big limitation. Actually, the SBLive does have 'simultated' DLS support under Win2k but what I don't really understand is why this isn't implemented in WinME?
And if you're complaining about Soundfont support, that's what you get when a certain company gets a monopoly over the market. :)
Let's take for example 3Dfx. They had the advantage of Glide accelerated games while other users with better 3D cards still went unsupported. You get what I'm trying to say? That's when DirectX comes in. Not that I'm a supporter of Microsoft but honestly with only one API to program for, it makes thing a hell of a easier, both for soft. developers and hard. developers.
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Even if you could put 2 AE cards together you would only have 12Mb... I dont know about you people but my PcI Slots are dwindeling...
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Get a Vortex2 card then :). It's cheap, don't have the 32MB limitations for *sf2 or *arl, support DLS too and better digital sound quality than Live and philips AE.
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http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,2299,s%253D200%2526a%253D4167,00.asp
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XD Ok, ok. You got me there.
Still, though. If you're looking for music and such (not midi) it's the best card to buy. OF course then again if I wanted to increse the sound set I could do some of my patented "Warranty-Voiding(tm)" tweaking. :D
Then again, with one of these boards and an AE and that sound chip, think of all the possibilities (oooohhhh! Possibilities!)
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Oh yeah; if you aren't worried about midi it does look good. It's just that quite a few people - me including - are worried about midi. Otherwise the Philips does look nice. Even if it is more than the Live!.
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More?
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I keep having problems with cookies. I would normally edit, but it doesn't wanna.
Well, I am concerned about midi just a tad. As long as it doesn't sound bad, I'm not complaining. When I had Doom for my PC and was listening to the damn computer speaker, then got my SB 16, I thought it was the greatest thing on the planet! Then when I got the Wingroove soft wavetable synth, I thought that was the greatest. Yamaha, directly outta the VIA chip with some tweaking...etc. I guess if I could hear a Live!'s full midi ability instead of just listening to it's musical and sound apps, I might change my mind. The Dominance of the AE's proccessor kinda sells me, though...Anyone out there who can help me with a decision? :D
I need to buy an actual soundcard outside of the MAXI MUSE which was worse (ugh) than the onboard chip! I can't decide between a Live! Platinum or am AE. Gotta boost the economy with those tax checks Bush is sending out :D
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More = costs more.
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Oh DAMN!!! Tax CHeckZ!?!!? WHERE!?!!? :)
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Yeah. He's sending out the government's money to try and "boost the economy"
He's an idiot.
Anyways, costs more?
Where I'm at, theyt both cost 99 bucks...and I can find them both for cheaper online...like 77 bucks...
So it's a tough choice...
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If you are still interested in this, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/18/0041248&mode=nested will probably get filled up with discussion on the topic pretty soon. It is about the review at http://www.extremetech.com/print_article/0,2332,a%253D4167,00.asp
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Kojiro, was that some BUSH BASHING??? If so, my undying support and applause. Damn right-wingers. :P*
*The 'tongue' smiley is to represent huge disgust, and not to be understood as a symbol to represent tease.
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Did the EU top-meeting in Göteborg, where Bush attended, reach the media in US? Just curious.
(Aside from all the violence and so on, the news in Norway managed to show us some phootage of a guy wearing an exxon shirt, having some other people with Bush masks tied in ropes after him...excellent! Humor is the way to go, not violence...)
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Heh, I honestly can't figure out why everyone hates the guy so much. Especially the media, they seem to take every opportunity they have (and then some) to smear his public image. I don't see why people call it the "government's money". Don't they know that the government's money is really taxpayer dollars? I also don't get why people are criticizing his tax cut plans. Heck, Ireland did something similar last year (which was also heavily criticized), and now Ireland's got economic boom because of the cuts. Besides, IIRC, tax rates in the US are the highest they've ever been in history.
I also don't get what the big fuss over Kyoto is. Apparently the prez pointed this out while he was in Sweden, but all the countries in Europe are up in arms about him rejecting Kyoto when not even *one* EU country has ratified it themselves. C'mon. It's not a new US position either. Clinton had that big buildup for it, but his administration ended up not signing it. And before the US' current leader was even on the scene, the US Senate voted 95-0 against it.
Besides, dismissing environmental agreements so bizarrely self-flagellating that they exclude India (population 1 billion), China (population 1.3 billion) and the rest of the Third World from their pollution restrictions while forcing the US to undertake a ruinous 30 percent cut in C02 emissions is just the smart thing to do. :)
I also don't understand what the big deal over Missile Defense is.
I found these two opinion columns from the Washington Post: The Bush Doctrine
and Dense on Missile Defense
to be very eye opening as to what is really going on.[This message has been edited by Srethron Askvelhtnod (edited June 19, 2001).]
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"but all the countries in Europe are up in arms about him rejecting Kyoto when not even *one* EU country has ratified it themselves"
If we ratified it after Bush said that you would not ratify it no matter what, our industry would suffer but not yours, and that would have been unfair to the industry and would have created big problems with ratifying it here (as well as worsening the economy).
The general opinion is that Bush destroyed it. If Bush had said yes, people would have ratified it, hence, he destroyed it. And since Clinton started the process, doesn't that make Bush an even worse bastard for stopping it?
Your points on not including China and India doesn't take into consideration that it is *not* the population of a country that decides. I'm pretty sure 300 million americans in cars are able to pollute much more than a billion chinese on bicycles (not a nyanced picture but you get the idea).
Personally I would like to see the EU ratifying it, screw our economy...we are starting to see effects on the heating over here now, northern europe gets more and more rain every year and southern europe gets more and more dried up every year. Our metrologs says it's the CO2, of course you are free to distrust that.
I don't hate Bush personally, I dislike american conservatives in general (I'm sure they are very nice as people, I just have other opinions). Bush must of course just do what the people (or the buisnesses?) decides.
The world would have been a boring place if everyone thought the same though.
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^^; can anyone help me with my purchasing problem?