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Miscellaneous Forums => Scripting and Reverse Engineering => Topic started by: Darkness on 2002-10-18 01:08:22
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my good system is giving me a BSOD!
heres what the error is:
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
it happens whenever i boot... after giving me safemode options. I cannot boot into xp AT ALL.
heres my stuff:
1900+ Athlon
Abit KG7-RAID
Geforce 4 ti4600
512 pc2700 ddr
WINDOWS XP HOME
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Most likely bad memory. Try a different stick if at all possible.
You might also try a Recovery Installation. Boot off the XP CD, and go along normally until after the licence agreement. Don't hit "F2" for auto system recovery or R for recovery console, its after that.
But
I think its bad memory.
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i opened it up... and an ide cable and a few power cords were resting against the ram...
will my mobo be able to use pc100? cause thats the only other thing i have.
it booted into safe mode.... 1 time.... but now im getting the error once again....
more info:
STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x8003435, 0xF894CFAC, 0x00000000)
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Well, that would certainly lead me to believe that the problem stems from problems in RAM......
I would suggest trying to boot it with all but one memory stick installed, cycling the one that's removed until you found the stick that's been hit with Alzhiemers.
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thats a problem... it runs on 1 stick.... can i use pc100 on this mobo?
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Hmm.....how new is the mobo?
If its less than a year old, I'd say go for it. However, since I don't know much about mobo's themselves, I'd also say get a second opinion.
Sorry if I'm not being much help.
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woah.... it just booted on its own... perhaps it takes some time to clear the ram?
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In that case, have it run Norton System Doctor twice and post about it in the morning. :P
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"Flaky RAM"
I would be careful.
I don't think PC100 will work with an Athlon XP... cause Athlon XP's bus is 133 mhz. But I could be wrong... never tried.
But if you have a DDR-Only board, you wouldn't be able to even try :P
Anyway, I have a DOS app that does a rather good job of testing memory, if you can boot to a pure-DOS prompt (boot disk or CD).
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argh... still having troubles.... it just randomly reboots and screws up now...
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Is there any possibility of using RAM from the system you're using to post in the first place, or is that why you kept asking about PC100 RAM?
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thats why i keep asking.... and its looking like ill have to borrow some ram tomorrow...
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You wouldn't happen to have that mobo's instruction manuel laying around somewhere, would you?
If so, I suggest you take a look at it, it might tell you if it does support that PC100 RAM.
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I have a different approach. Delete your windows XP directory off of your hard drive and stop using that half-assed operating system. I would greatly suggest using something which is more compatible with everything (such as windows me, which blows still, or else windows 98 SE).
If you really enjoy using XP then I understand. For a while I used it, until it gave me really big problems and I just said "f*(fill in the blank)* it". If re-installing doesn't work, then it's definately a hardware problem. I can't help you there. That part is up to you. My arms can't exactly fit through the internet, if you know what I mean :wink: .
Oh, and don't try using that 100mhz ram before consulting your manual (or else your computer's guardian angel). If your normal bus speed has to run at 133mhz, you could easily fry something. Good luck.
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Fine..it won't fry the memory..but it'll do some strange stuff.
I'm sorry..I just have bad experiences with windows 2000 and up from there. I've gotten them all to work, but they never really stay put. I got errors out of the blue when I was using windows 2000 professional.
One day (when I used to use windows 2000) I got done with typing a word document. I exited the program and was going to change my desktop picture. I right click, and I get a blue screen. The blue screen flashes away so fast that I can't even read it, and before I know it, my computer rebooted itself!
Why else do I not like windows 2000 and XP? You can't customize for crap. I tried to install my own video card drivers (this happened on both windows 2000 and XP home), and all it did was whine about how it HAD to use the default drivers for the card. The drivers that I was going to install were for the proper operating system, I checked. I was "logged in" as administrator. It simply wouldn't let me get rid of the defaults. I checked the registry and I couldn't even remove it completely.
Yeah, I'll have to admit that windows 9x is "really old" software, but that doesn't mean it doesn't serve its purpose. Keep in mind that *I* was giving him *MY* advice. You don't have to disregard what I'm saying just because you think 9x isn't very good. I'm trying to help him based on my experiences.
You might be able to overclock your PC100 memory to 133 MHz, although that most certainly is not a good idea for troubleshooting, unless you are 100% sure that it can do it
That is pretty much what I said in my last post..instead, I said he probably couldn't do that.
Not really. Only difference is that one is certified to run at 133, other at 100 MHz, other than that they are identical. Well, almost, some mobos that are old enough to be compatible only with PC100-memory have had problems with PC133, but that's rare. And even in that case nothing is fried, it just doesn't work.
Ok, I'll believe this once you show me a machine with a 133mhz fsb using pc-100 ram while clocked at 133mhz running normally without any errors or screw-ups. I'm sorry but I honestly cannot ever see that happening EVER in the real computer world. You'd think the reason WHY they have pc-66, pc-100, and pc-133 types of ram is for different performance levels. It's like trying to run a school bus with a lawn mower engine. I don't think it's gonna happen!
He can definately run his machine with his pc-100 ram running at 100mhz, but I don't see it happening at 133mhz. No way.
Thank you for your time.
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I had exactly the same error as you Darkness. Stop errors are bad news... I still don't know what was wrong with the computer but a low level format fixed the problem for me.
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You don't overclock, do you? Thought so.
Ok, that offends me. I have been overclocking for four years now. I know what I'm talking about. I've never SEEN any ram chip go further than 21 mhz above it's normal limit. 23mhz was pushing it due to errors (this is based on my experience, again). Who knows, maybe you can actually do that. It just might be the type of hardware I'm using. I've never seen it..and never will until someone actually shows me.
And the question then pops into my mind...
It might be stable at 132 MHz, and get rated as PC100, because it can't run at 133
Have YOU ever tested this, or are you basing this off of someone else's information?
Oh yeah, and lol @ intel. I'm sure all companies do stuff like that all the time. For example: the cyrix processor. How can that thing even be on the market? It can't do anyting!!!
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I've tested it. Up until a week ago, I had 192MB of 100MHz SDRAM in my machine (a 64 and a 128, different brands too IIRC) running @ 133MHz, and it'd worked perfectly for months. Only changed to upgrade to more memory ;)
This isn't theory; a lot of people have done this, and generally speaking, it works. I've even taken the RAM up to 136MHz with no problems (just don't do that normally because of processor heat, memory is perfectly stable at just about /any/ speed I throw at it).
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ahh the evil smell of burning.... anyway... i got the computer to run all night... but after school it was frozen on the screensaver... i was unable to get ANYTHING to appear on the screen after that. I opened it... and the processor was like 150.
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Huh? Like 150?
Anyway, freezing like that is a sign of a memory problem or even possibly a power supply problem. (I can even see CPU or board, but I'd think they were less likely.) Only way to know for sure is to swap 'em out and experiment.
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the cpu smelled for burning.... and was extremely hot. and it heats up VERY fast.
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well itsn't that something...? burning smell did you say?
Ok ficedula, I see. I've never seen anything clock that high on what hardware I'm used to using..that's pretty cool, though.
< MY BAD > :P
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ok... heres what i think the problem is:
cpu fan slows to 2000 RPM
cpu heats to 140F+
cpu acts abnormally causing crashes and blue screens
posible?
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Hmm, yeah thats possible.
That means that if you left your comp off for a while, the CPU would cool down and make you think the problem was fixed for a few minutes. Or horus.
So, the solution is obviously to get a new fan, assuming this is the correct cause of the problem.
Fans are cheap :P
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This is probably out of the question for now, but have you tried underclocking your cpu just to get it working? I would advise to go as low clock speed as you can go and run a clean re-installation of windows. Any objections?
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the heatsink was filled with dust =/
i cleaned it out... but when i removed it... one of the connectors (heatseink connector) on the socket broke... it still goes on... but it may come off some day.
im going to buy some thermal grease pretty soon. ill tell you if the comp starts working.
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alright... cleaned it out... and dint break anything :)
booted about 5 minutes ago... 105F
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I cooked a cpu once just to see what would happen. It made a small smoke vapour and then i stopped. It was a new cpu so I sent the thing back to the company and they replaced it :)
The guy who thinks 9x >better than XP. Put it this way, When I ran 9x it crashed 2-3 times a week. Now I run Xp it only crashes when I put on crapped out drivers (ie detonater 40's - but those don't work anyway so who cares).
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I must say the same thing.. Windows XP is great as far as not crashing.. I used Windows 95, 98.. then 98 SE .. ME .. then XP Professional ... others before those of course.. but 98 SE still crashed on me.. usually ALOT! XP just feels so much more stable... the only problem i have been having is some weird looks like RAM error messages sometimes.. but the program just closes.. (((THE COMPUTER DOESNT BLUE SCREEN!!!))) and i can start it over again.. If you say XP sucks.. you probably were running crazy drivers.. I am not saying you didnt know what you were doing.. Jesus i think in the computer world by now we would all know that is a BS statement.. sometimes you just have unexplained things happen.. there is no reason.. there is nothing you did .. sometimes it is just the unexplainable..
I also noticed that when i installed XP from a clean install my computer didnt like it at all.. it F*cked up in a few days.. and it scared me so i went back to 98 SE .. then did a fresh 98 SE install and upgraded to XP and this is the longest i have been running an OS without having to Format my computer.. I dred the day that that will happen again..
I hate Windows Media player 9 oh my god i want 8 back.. but then again it is only beta.. I also kept my FAT 32 partitions.. i dont know how well some of my games would run on NTFS.. not only that some things wouldnt install on NTFS.. ((when i did the fresh XP install i think it only let you format to NTFS..) thats probably why my computer was so screwed up..
is anyone here running NTFS?
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I use NTFS, its like the best thing ever. Why do you think some games don't like it? As long as you're running from witthin Windows XP, the file system is perfectly backwards compatible, even if you're running DOS apps. The only downside is you can't read it off of a DOS prompt (i.e., Windows 98 boot disk) or from older OS's (Win98, certian versions of Linux...)
It doesn't fragment as much, doesn't have to CHKDSK after a crash most of the time, and has all kinds of cool security options :P NTFS rules.
Anyway, I leave my XP on for days on end sometimes and it very rarely crashes. I had problems with the detanotor 40 drivers, and some older det drivers (25-26 range) running in XP with crashes, but 28-30 all work fine. And that's the only crashes I've got, pretty much, unless I do something stupid.
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alright... got an antec heatsink combo. aluminum cylanders and a 46 dB fan.
90 degrees. never higher.
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To people that like XP:
Sorry that I talked a little smack about your OS. When I tried XP Home, I got really turned off by the fact that it repeatedly screwed me over as far as configuring my video card drivers. Of course, this was on my crappy, old, Cyrix III machine, so I guess it's not XP to blame. However, I must admit that I was impressed with it when I ran it on my p3 machine. It rarely crashed, and was generally fast. I'll give you that much. However, I like using w98 because I feel at home while using it, I enjoy being able to actually go into dos (and not just a stinkin dos prompt in windows xp). I also don't want to get too into XP until it is out for awhile. Then, people will have have experienced all the tiny little bugs and "problems". I really don't trust Micro$oft's new stuff nowadays (especially when w2k brought in remote administration. That could be very harmful to someone, if in the wrong hands)
To people that like 9x:
Fight the power! Yeahhhhh!!!
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I had an IBM/Cyrix once............... ::stamps on it:: Die you evil bstard!!! You're right, they don't run anything.
92oF? You're joking? Mine norm is 47oC that 116oF. From past experience, my Athlon XP 1700+ crashes at >53oC.
Speaking of overclocking... I've overcloked my GeForce 2 Pro (originally 200mhz core, and 400mhz RAM) to 250mhz core, and 480mhz RAM. I haven't seen any noticable instability so far.
Remember my power supply problems? I got a new PSU, a 425W Heroichi. I fitted, nothing happens. I put my old 300W Macron back in........ this time attaching the 12V cable -_- I don't know if it's done anything but on the PSU it says: "3.5v+5v=160W, 3.5v+5v+12v=300W" Should it have done anything? I want to ask you people before I try to refit my ~7000rpm fan.
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Play Unreal Tournament 2003. That game is pretty good at showing you any overclocking instabilities
And yes Win98 rocks! though i actually never had problems with 95 at all