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Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Niektory on 2003-10-12 19:25:46
I have a weird problem in the hardware mode. You can see it on the screenshots - the fonts are totally screwed up. Do you know what's going on?

I've installed the Riva patch. I have WinXP and GeForce FX 5200 with drivers ver. 45.23.

Please help!

http://republika.pl/niektory/pub/clipboard01.png
http://republika.pl/niektory/pub/clipboard02.png
http://republika.pl/niektory/pub/clipboard03.png
http://republika.pl/niektory/pub/clipboard04.png
http://republika.pl/niektory/pub/clipboard05.png
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Aaron on 2003-10-12 19:27:33
See this:
http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?t=1111&highlight=

This applies to all newer nVidia cards as far as I can tell.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Niektory on 2003-10-12 19:47:20
It works! Thank you very much. And sorry I didn't search the forums thoroughly enough.
My fault.  :roll:
Title: Re: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: halohalo on 2003-10-12 19:58:11
I've got some snapshots with fx5600(detonator 45.23). NV31 works fine with ff7pc.
http://www.geocities.com/halo_halox/page_2_1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/halo_halox/page_2_2.htm

You need to download and run "riva tuner".
( Main->Driver settings->Direct3D tweaks->Antialiasing)

Then encheck "Enable antialiasing", "Force antialiasing in all D3D applications", and set Antialiasing method to "2x2".

You also need new ff7config in riva patch. (remember never encheck "nvidia")
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-12 22:51:02
Lookin' cool, halohalo. The only problem is in the 2nd picture, v2_1.JPG. Aeris looks like she just got out of eye surgery, but hasn't completely healed yet. Freaky grey eyes.

Speaking of Anti-Aliasing, I discovered probably the best FSAA and Anisotropy levels for FF7. Quincunx for the FSAA, and 8x Anisotropy. Let's take a gander at what the game looks like afterwards.

Picture 1 (http://kucoru.dyndns.org/ff7quin1.png)
Picture 2 (http://kucoru.dyndns.org/ff7quin2.png)
Picture 3 (http://kucoru.dyndns.org/ff7quin3.png)

These screenshots were taken in 32-bit using Ficedula's 32-bit patch. The only strange thing you may notice is the icons of the characters. They are obviously changed, but they look better if you ask me.

Looks great? You just gotta see it in-game.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: halohalo on 2003-10-12 23:36:48
Well, in fact I prefer v2_1.jpg :D  because Aeris looks pretty cute.

v2_1.jpg and v2_3.jpg are snapshots of voodoo2 (official 3dfx dx7 driver with Mismatched SLI Voodoo2 Driver kit).
nv25_8xS_1.jpg and nv25_8xS_3.jpg are snapshots of gf4ti4600 (with detonator 43.51, 8xS FSAA).
nv31_4523_2x2_1.jpg and nv31_4523_2x2_3.jpg are snapshots of gffx5600 (with detonator 4523, 2x2 FSAA).

"R" means "FF7 Rendition patch".  
(I always enable 8bit paletted taxtures support in Detonator)
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Sephiroth2000 on 2003-10-13 02:54:45
Quote from: halohalo
Well, in fact I prefer v2_1.jpg  because Aeris looks cute :D


You like her or something? Can't say I blame you :wink:
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant? on 2003-10-13 04:40:24
Oh yeah Seph2000, I'm sure he's infatuated with her.  He loves her soooooo much that he....never mind..... You're just a moron.  Just stop posting unnecessary stuff and post stuff that will only help other people or is well for you COMPLETELY RELEVANT to the topic.  IS THAT IN ANY WAY UNCLEAR?  We are all obviously tired of you, so do us all a favor, and stop...PLEASE!
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Aaron on 2003-10-13 04:46:15
*Sigh* We have ruined a perfectly good topic...
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Sephiroth2000 on 2003-10-13 05:52:58
Quote from: Sir Robert
Oh yeah Seph2000, I'm sure he's infatuated with her.  He loves her soooooo much that he....never mind..... You're just a moron.  Just stop posting unnecessary stuff and post stuff that will only help other people or is well for you COMPLETELY RELEVANT to the topic.  IS THAT IN ANY WAY UNCLEAR?  We are all obviously tired of you, so do us all a favor, and stop...PLEASE!


Back on topic plz. I was only stating about something I saw.
Also, do you have to critisize me for everything I do? :x
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: ye-roon on 2003-10-13 07:26:24
wich is the 1.2 version??

cause i have both the riva tnt and the riva 128 patch and both say v 1.1 ...
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: KojiroTakenashi on 2003-10-14 01:28:03
I might want to try it with 32 bit patch...

On my Ti 4200, I've run 12x AA and 8x AF, and let me tell you, FF7 hasn't looked better...

Still can't completely save it, though :\ someone needs to find a way to increase the resolution to at LEAST 800x600
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Aaron on 2003-10-14 02:03:47
(http://aaronserv.dyndns.org/!!stuff/qhimm/ff7102.gif)

The patch is availble here (http://aaronserv.dyndns.org/hosting/ffsf/patch.html), and its the Riva/TNT patch from Eidos's site...
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: halohalo on 2003-10-14 17:08:31
Quote from: KojiroTakenashi
I might want to try it with 32 bit patch...

On my Ti 4200, I've run 12x AA and 8x AF, and let me tell you, FF7 hasn't looked better...

Still can't completely save it, though :\ someone needs to find a way to increase the resolution to at LEAST 800x600

There are ten different AA methods. They are 2x, QAA, 4x, 4xS, 4x 9-tap, 6x, 8x, 12x, 8xS, and 2x2.

If you use detonator 45.xx (enable 8bit paletted textures support), you should set AA to "2x2" with Riva Tuner.

"8xS" AA and "2x2" AA work great with 43.xx and 44.03.

"12x" AA is useless in 45.xx (or above).
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: ye-roon on 2003-10-14 18:57:29
well rubi: WHERE DID U GET THOSE ICONS!, man those are way better then the ones normally in the game.

and abou the 32 bit patch

http://ficedula.cjb.net/ = the correct homepage of fice right? well ne way, for some reason the site don't open ..

[edit] oh and why is it now that i'm using great gfx, the music starts and waits a bit before the gfx of entering battle begins? and also screen stays blank longer than before with music longer playing before /me being back on worldmap
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-15 02:02:32
Well, I was sick and freakin' tired of the original icons, so I got some different pictures of the characters which were better, and put them in there. I wasn't able to find any different vincent and yuffie pictures that looked decent, so I kind of quit working on it. However, I'll gladly continue my search for different pictures. And then I'll release the final version.

[EDIT, one hour later]

Speaking of final versions...I just finished up the icons and put them in a nice package. You can get it here (http://kucoru.dyndns.org/FF7PC-NewIcons.zip).

As for your problem ye-roon, I really can't imagine what the reason could be. It's probably normal for it to do that for awhile, and maybe you'll just have to get used to it being weird like that. So see if you can hack it for awhile... and by "hack it" I don't mean whipping out your trusty hex editor or disassembler. I mean it in the context of:

Slang. To cope with successfully; manage: couldn't hack a second job.

As for the 32-bit patch, it comes bundled with the cetra patcher version 0.20, which can be found at Aaron's wonderful Ficedula mirror (http://aaronserv.dyndns.org/hosting/ficedula/).
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: ye-roon on 2003-10-15 18:56:32
well i must say the game runs in best gfx i've EVER pleyed it in.

with the quincux bla bla it runs crappy but with 2 x 2 its runs pretty nice :)

haven't tried 32 bit stuff fice's site is down and can't fice's .dll :)
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2003-10-16 02:35:52
It looks to me like Ficedula's host is down. I hope it's not permanent.

Speaking of that, Rubicant, for some reason, I can't ever access the server you're hosting all your stuff on. Is there some other place I can check out One Armed Angel and these icons of yours?
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-16 02:41:09
Freakin' "A"!!! Thank you for notifying me. I am always having trouble because the damned ISP keeps switching my IP every time I am out with my friends, or at least nowhere available to fix any errors. That really irks me...

Social life...server...social life...server...

gahh!!!

But it is working right now...so now would be a good time to try it.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2003-10-16 03:36:30
Nope. I tried it about 10 minutes after you posted that. I can't even get a ping from kucoru.dyndns.org. I've been to other dyndns.org hosted sites before so I don't think that's the issue. It's got to be something to do with my ISP--I've never once been able to access your server (starting with tries about a month ago, I think...)
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-16 04:19:22
For purposes of those of you who cannot access my server, I'll place them temporarily on mirex's server for a week's time. Then you're on your own.

Well, as it turns out mirex's trashbin times out when I upload the one-armed angel song, so forget that plan. But the new link (http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/FF7PC-NewIcons.zip) for the new icons is there, so you can at least get that. AFAIK you're the only one that has problems with my server. Does it have anything to do with a firewall? Corrupt ISP?
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Aaron on 2003-10-16 04:46:11
Rubicant: https://www.dyndns.org/services/dyndns/clients.html
Here are some apps that can update your dyndns account if your IP address changes.  I don't know how well they'll work with your network setup, but it might be worth a try if the IP changing bothers you...

As for people not being able to access your server, I would think its an ISP problem at one end or the other.  Srethron, if you try to ping Rubicant's server, do you get the IP address (currently 209.112.208.163)?  If you don't, it might be a problem with your ISP's DNS server.  If its a problem with dyndns itself, you shouldn't be able to access my site (aaronserv.dyndns.org) or see my avatar.  I can access Rubicant's server fine, so I don't think its a problem on his end.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2003-10-16 05:08:59
Rubicant: Thanks, got the icons. Chances are it's the corporate firewall ("corrupt" alright.) It's the best thing I can think of. The only other thing I can think of is if you're running on a non-standard port. I tend to have trouble with that.

Aaron: It's probably a problem on my end. I do get Rubicant's IP when I ping him (but get 100% packet loss.) I've always been able to access your site/load your avatar, and dyndns.org itself loads just fine for me. I can provide ping and/or HTTP traffic logs, but I don't think they will help.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-16 05:26:37
Pfft...I'll change my server to apache...maybe that'll help you out.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Caddberry on 2003-10-16 05:36:24
Quote from: Rubicant_II
Pfft...I'll change my server to apache...maybe that'll help you out.


What are you running now?
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-16 07:59:10
What was I using? something...else...  8)

Srethron, are you able to access the server on other internet connections? Mirex suggested it could be some weird browser error, or else it's just that current connection you are on. But my server has been changed to apache. But I'm pretty sure it is in vain.

We'll see.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: halohalo on 2003-10-16 14:45:51
Quote from: ye-roon
well i must say the game runs in best gfx i've EVER pleyed it in.

with the quincux bla bla it runs crappy but with 2 x 2 its runs pretty nice :)

haven't tried 32 bit stuff fice's site is down and can't fice's .dll :)


If you enable 8bit paletted textures support with Riva Tuner, you should choose "2 x 2" AA.

But QAA is usefull if you disable 8bit paletted textures support with Riva Tuner.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: halohalo on 2003-10-16 14:55:03
With Pete's OpenGL driver 1.74, I got some awesome snapshots :o

http://www.geocities.com/halo_halox/emu_7.htm
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: ye-roon on 2003-10-16 14:58:55
yeah but your fonts are still fucked, but game looks NIIIIICE
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Synergy Blades on 2003-10-16 21:52:43
This is probably a daft question but... it doesn't look like those screenshots have been resized (looking at, say, the antialiasing compared to the background). If not, how did you force the 1024 x 768 resolution? I had thought this wasn't possible by reading some of the posts here. :)
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-16 23:30:00
That looks pretty good, halohalo.

Synergy blades: if you hadn't known, pete's opengl plugin is a psx emulation graphics plug-in. So those are screenshots of the PSX version. You can select very high resolutions in the psx version, and not in the PC version.

Ye-Roon: How are the fonts bad? I think they look a little weird because of the jpeg compression. And the fact that it's in japanese...
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2003-10-17 00:29:02
Rubicant: Gee, thanks for going out of your way, trying to help me with this. Well, switching to Apache did *something.* Now I can access http://kucoru.dyndns.org/, but all of your media files (images/downloads) still time out (although I get valid HTTP traffic from your server now--it's obviously *trying* to give them to me.)

Here's a log of what happens when I access your main page. Green is me, Red is the server.
+++GET 0+++
GET http://kucoru.dyndns.org/ HTTP/1.0
Accept: */*
Accept-Language: en-us
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
Host: kucoru.dyndns.org
Connection: keep-alive
Before, it would hang after this.

+++RESP 0+++
HTTP/1.0 304 Not modified
Proxy-agent: iPlanet-Web-Proxy-Server/3.6
Cache-last-checked: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:42:59 GMT
+++CLOSE 0+++

+++GET 1+++
GET http://kucoru.dyndns.org/btar2.gif HTTP/1.0
Accept: */*
Referer: http://kucoru.dyndns.org/
Accept-Language: en-us
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
Host: kucoru.dyndns.org
Connection: keep-alive

+++RESP 1+++
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:59:05 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.47 (Win32)
Last-modified: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:59:05 GMT
Etag: W/"0-e57-257c5100"
Accept-ranges: bytes
Content-length: 3671
Connection: close
Content-type: image/gif
+++CLOSE 1+++
Now, the problem is right here. Your server sends the image back to me, but for some reason it doesn't ever display. Something unknown is preventing me from accepting the response from your server. I think. So yeah, back to square one (as opposed to Squaresoft...) Looks like it's my problem.
In few days, my 28K line will be back up (it's being fixed right now.) I never use it, except when I absolutely have to (makes the phone bill go way up), but I can try accessing your site with it in a few days.
Interestingly, I tried my cellphone and *it* worked. Too bad it doesn't have download capabilities. =P
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-17 00:33:44
Haha that PM I just sent you was for nothing. Nevermind that...

That's pretty crappy how you can't access it.

By the way, the only reason why you can "access it" is because you can visit the main page. But that main page wasn't always there. Before, I used to have it just an index of all the files. Ever since I added on apache it wouldn't let me use hidden files (I haven't figured out how) and have them not be displayed with the indexing, so I switched to just having index.html so no one would be creeping around my server.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2003-10-17 00:43:35
Yeah, guess I'm an "access of evil" or something.

...and I'm sure you know, but if you don't want people crawling your server, an index.html isn't going to be enough. That just stops the script kiddies.
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: Rubicant_II on 2003-10-17 05:14:27
Yeah...I realize that completely. And I am working on it...
Title: FF7 - ugly fonts in hardware mode
Post by: ye-roon on 2003-10-17 12:01:44
well i mean that the fonts are pointy and spiky bot nicely rounded.

not the fact that its japanese, tho i wished i could read it :)