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Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2004-04-17 02:22:01

Alright, I've been informed that people are having trouble downloading my FF7 hand patch. The question is: can anyone (besides me) actually download the thing (http://fire.prohosting.com/ff7gold/handPatchV01.rar) without either getting server errors or CRC problems?
Thanks.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-04-17 02:33:59

I can, ill host it on my server and see if you can download it.  Try it here:

http://www.yourwebspace.com/cgi-bin/dreakon/handPatchV01.rar

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-04-17 04:50:46

I'll host it, as well, as soon as my site stops being a whiney biatch =)

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: sfx1999 on 2004-04-17 06:42:15

No problem here. It downloaded fine for me.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2004-04-17 19:01:13

Thanks for the input. It appears I can breathe easier because it looks like most people can get it without a problem. Also, thanks for the mirrors! Any and all are welcomed.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-04-17 19:31:39

Nice patch BTW.  Are there plans for an update?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2004-04-17 19:38:13

Thanks! Actually I'm working on an update right now. Hopefully it'll be finished later today, although it may take longer.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: ye-roon on 2004-04-17 19:45:03

whats the hand patch for?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-04-17 19:55:42

Quote from: Srethron Askvelhtnod

Thanks! Actually I'm working on an update right now. Hopefully it'll be finished later today, although it may take longer.

Take your time, I am just glad people are still working on FF7, being such an old game and all :).

What might be in the new update?

Quote from: ye-roon

whats the hand patch for?

It's a patch for FFVII PC that makes the hands of characters when they are running around (normally, not in battle) look better and more realistic.

Title: Erm...
Post by: xeriouxi on 2004-04-19 10:44:32

Hi!

That's a nice idea! But... I hate WinRAR, so could somebody put the file up somewhere in .zip format? I'll try it when I get home if I can get online! Does anybody have any pictures of the patch in action? :D

xeriouxi.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Aaron on 2004-04-19 12:12:36

http://aaronserv.dyndns.org/!!stuff/qhimm/handPatchV01.zip

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-04-19 12:25:05

Xeriouxi: Here ya go: Of all the characters, the hands look kinda bad on Cloud. (Notice how his arms get huge at the end, then suddenly BOOM skinny wrist? looks funny.. but that can't be helped @ the moment) But it looks better with people with skinny arms, those who have coats, or at least gloves.  Maybe it's just me =/

anyway: http://www.ff7-universe.com/images/Cloudwithhands.jpg

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-04-19 17:31:10

Dude...this is awesome....you've got mad skillz!

Heh...now the chars look one more step closer to REAL people :P

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: ye-roon on 2004-04-19 19:36:57

Quote from: darkdevil

Dude...this is awesome....you've got mad skillz!

Heh...now the chars look one more step closer to REAL people :P

take note srethron made it, not steele ... and yes it looks uber, finally some hands..

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2004-04-22 01:39:06

Alright, the new version's up. Linky (http://fire.prohosting.com/ff7gold/handPatchV015.rar)

Quote from: Dreakon

What might be in the new update?

Bug fixes (mainly Cloud's animations) and World Map support.

Quote from: xeriouxi

I hate WinRAR

Really? Why? The version 1 .rar file is 502 KB, Aaron's .zip is 717 KB. Doesn't non-lossy smaller == better?

Quote from: EmperorSteele

(Notice how his arms get huge at the end, then suddenly BOOM skinny wrist? looks funny.. but that can't be helped @ the moment)

Yeah, it's more of taste issue, IMHO (since the Square 3D Modellers are the ones who did it.) Still, I have a few ideas. I'll let you know if any of them work.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: mirex on 2004-04-22 07:50:53

Quote from: xeriouxi

I hate WinRAR, so could somebody put the file up somewhere in .zip format?

But why ? Rar is in all ways better than zip. It produces smaller files. Else then that it can do everything that zip can + it can open zip archives.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-04-22 18:44:36

Srethron, if you replace peoples hands with that and recolor them, couldn't you replace everyones arms and wrists with one that is normal size so you don't get the fat arms to skinny hands problem?  Just do what you did with the hands only with the arms and wrists.  I am sure you can find a pair of normal looking arms somewhere in the game :)

(If you could send me a PM explaining exactly how to do all this I would gladly do it myself :))

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2004-04-22 19:04:34

Sure I can do it. It's just a matter of finding that pair of normal looking arms, since for Square, the way Cloud looks is considered the status quo.  Square modellers often reused existing pieces from old models whenever possible. See, field hands are divided into the upper-arm, forearm, and hand.

If you look closely, most of the upperarms of men without  sleeves look just like Cloud's:

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 / \
-  ==
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As do the forearms:

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  ___
  /   |
==    |
  \___|

The part you want to fix is the ==== (combined)

...anyway, I think I've finally found some suitable pieces and am currently trying it out.
Trouble is that little kids, women, and fat people are all in different proportion to each other, including their arms/hands. That's why the hand patch makes some models (like Scarlet and, some say, Cloud) look trippy.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-04-22 19:41:52

I can't remember too well, but would womens arms look okay on someone like Cloud?  And could you add them to Cid and Vincent and stuff without too many proportion problems?  All they would need is a change in coloring.

I may get into the game and take a good look at the models so I can verify what I am saying a little more.  Like I said, give me a little explanation on how to do all this and I will gladly help ;)

EDIT: The shoulder of the characters don't nessesarily have to be redone, the second half leading to the hands would be good enough.  Unless you have to change the shoulders too...

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Srethron Askvelhtnod on 2004-04-23 03:47:40

Women's arms *might* look ok on Cloud, but most of theirs are even skinnier. =P

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And could you add them to Cid and Vincent and stuff without too many proportion problems?

Well, Cid has sleeves halfway down, which presents all sorts of potential problems (or easy shortcuts, depending on how you approach it.)

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Like I said, give me a little explanation on how to do all this and I will gladly help

I pretty much explain how I've done everything in the handpatch v01.5 readme. What exactly is unclear?

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The shoulder of the characters don't nessesarily have to be redone, the second half leading to the hands would be good enough.

You may or may not, depending on how you do it.

I guess I'm unclear as to exactly how people want the arms to be fixed. What exactly do you want me to do to them?
Here's a picture of the latest (http://www.srethron.cjb.net/temp.html) I've come up with. The problem with this one is that his forearms are now abnormally long. Is it enough to be noticeable? Or would you be happy if I went with it?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-04-23 10:33:24

Yeah the left arm is a little wierd.  Are there any thinner arm parts you could use, or is that pretty much the best one?  The right side looks great btw...

P.S:  It still looks great though, I just hope it looks that good on other characters...

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: savage-xp on 2004-04-23 23:08:04

Hummm... What a cool ideia... :wink:

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-04-25 05:27:12

I still can't get that link working.. maybe it's an IE thing, i dunno =/

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: JPWest on 2004-05-04 00:31:58

can someone zip the new patch?  i dont have winrar and dont want any dumb evaluation software on my comp.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Aaron on 2004-05-04 01:55:40

WinRAR's not bad.  (WinZip is evaluation software as well, anyway, unless you pay the $$$).
If you don't let it integrate into the shell (WinRAR, that is - it's an option during setup), then you'll never know its there :P

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: JPWest on 2004-05-04 12:10:12

I have a registered winzip, winrar annoys me although it is better... and I'm having trouble installing apps on this computer.

So if someone could zip the new version I would be grateful.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: JPWest on 2004-05-11 17:18:38

ok... sorted, got winrar installed... unfortunatly the new patch isnt downloading, can someone upload it somewhere or something?

thanks (sorry for the double post)

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: triplenine on 2004-05-18 19:54:54

how do you undo its once its patched?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-05-19 00:49:40

You just replace char.lgp in the "field" folder with an original version (found on the cds)

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: darkmm on 2004-05-19 18:12:02

This is really neat, will patch my FF7 in a  moment because this will make it look so much better.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-06-03 21:28:03

Has Srethron Askvelhtnod been around?  Any news on the arm fixing patch me and him discussed earlier in the thread?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Marc on 2004-06-26 22:05:55

Prohosting isn't letting me download the latest file (v1.5).  Could anyone upload it somewhere else ?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-06-27 05:52:28

http://www.ff7-universe.com/Downloads/handPatchV015.rar

[edit] OOPS, had it wrong =/

=)

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Marc on 2004-06-27 15:28:56

Actually you just made a mistake with your link.  It's actually http://www.ff7-universe.com/Downloads/handPatchV015.rar

I figured it out looking at the first file name.

Thanks though.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-06-27 20:39:47

..isn't that what i wrote? o__o

oh, i have the 1 and 0 switched.. my bad, i can be dislexic sometimes =/ (edits linky)

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Goku7 on 2004-06-27 22:21:18

Ok, a couple of quick questions:

1.) The hand patch also seems to affect "world_us.lgp" in the "[ff7 directory]\data\wm\" folder as well, does it not?  If so, then wouldn't only replacing char.lgp with one from the CDs only uninstall the patch halfway? :P

2.) According to the readme, you've managed to edit character animations in order to accomidate the hand patch...I thought we couldn't decode FF7's animation data, much less know where it's stored....?

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Contra on 2004-06-27 23:27:46

That's battle animations. Map animations we know.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Goku7 on 2004-06-28 00:18:31

Ah....so its possible to add completely new frames of animation to the current ones, I suppose?

If so, it might be a good idea to have a few animation frames that could be used to transition from open hand to closed fist -- that might help hide some of the oddness that some animations currently have with the character's hands being open all the time.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Vanit on 2004-07-01 01:31:18

From my work with the High-Res Cloud Patch (outside of battle - and patch is still unreleased) I've found that you can't have additional frames in animations. But you can however replace it with a big animation and edit that so you have more frames to work with.

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: mirex on 2004-07-01 09:05:43

Quote from: Goku7

Ah....so its possible to add completely new frames of animation to the current ones, I suppose?

Now I got idea ... i'll change few anims and make a "Tifa walking drunk patch"  :D
Hell another thing to do...

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-01 09:46:14

Quote from: mirex

Quote from: Goku7

Ah....so its possible to add completely new frames of animation to the current ones, I suppose?

Now I got idea ... i'll change few anims and make a "Tifa walking drunk patch"  :D
Hell another thing to do...

I reckon a "Barret skipping patch" would be alot better :P

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Goku7 on 2004-07-04 01:24:11

LOL @ those two suggestions..... :P

Anyway I'd like to report a couple of "BACKWARDS HANDS ALERT!"s to Srethron Askvelhtnod.

Instance No. 1:
Where:  Mideel, in various shops, and possibly right outside one shop.  So far, I can say for sure that it occurs

Spoiler: show

before the town is wrecked by the lifestream

.

Who:  The dude that is trying to buy everything in the store, and is followed around by this little silver chocobo.  Also, the game uses the same model for who is either a totally different character standing outside one of the shops, or is the same guy as the one inside the shops, but much calmer in demeanor or something.

What: Both his hands are completely backwards.

Instance No. 2:
Where: Mideel, in the hospital.

Who: Cloud,

Spoiler: show

while he's still suffering from Mako poisoning and is stuck in a wheelchair.

.

What:  He appears to also be suffering from having two right hands. :P

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-07-04 04:58:49

I think i already told him about Cloud...

Did ya see the "flashback Cid" with the backwards hands in v1?  It looked like he was grabbing the mechanic's crotches as he walked by 'em XD

Title: Hand Patch
Post by: Goku7 on 2004-07-04 23:03:30

Quote from: EmperorSteele

I think i already told him about Cloud...

Well, in that case, this would be a confirmation of that error. :P

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Did ya see the "flashback Cid" with the backwards hands in v1?  It looked like he was grabbing the mechanic's crotches as he walked by 'em XD

Nope, I didn't have any save files close to that part of the game when the patch came out.  The fact remains, though, that these errors are with the latest version, so I guess a version 0.2 may be coming out soon because of it.....