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Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-06-23 11:27:04
Behold me and my glory. The patch will be released in a matter of days.

(http://www.geocities.com/burningferret/fixed1.txt) (http://www.geocities.com/burningferret/fixed2.txt) (http://www.geocities.com/burningferret/fixed3.txt)
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-06-23 13:04:12
Sweetness.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Threesixty on 2004-06-23 18:01:55
...
Does he actually walk....or just glide?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Relf on 2004-06-23 21:08:07
What happens in mini-games?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: ChibiTim on 2004-06-23 22:47:32
sorry but that looks so funny...
cloud is teh giant sauce.  :lol:
scale him down plz.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-06-24 00:18:44
The model walks and does all of Cloud's actions. He takes Cloud's place in all the mini games as well. No, I can't scale him down with the available tools (anyways that would make him the right height, but his body parts would be way smaller than everyone elses). The only place that takes the original form of Cloud is when he's cross dressing to get into Don's Mansion.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-06-24 02:28:17
Man, that it sweet! But I gotta go with Chibi, scale him down, even if the body parts come out small, the right height would be a big plus for that, if you can that is. But still, thats a nice improvement, its like taking the hand patch to the next level.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: ye-roon on 2004-06-24 07:38:36
that looks kinda sweet :D:D:D

and chibi style is ok for me 2 :)
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-06-25 04:48:20
Now, just do that with all the other main characters, and we'd be all set =P
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Relf on 2004-06-25 14:29:41
How does he look on the world map, is he too big there as well?
And making him chibi is fine by my standards.
And is it possible to thicken his arms slightly?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-06-26 00:20:01
I've done a bit of testing and I've found that the world map and minigames each refer to seperate files. So no, the world map and minigame models are still the same and I think I might leave them that way mainly because it would be tedious for everyone to patch the right fiels with the right patches. I could get a lot of angry emails from newbs who screwed it up. Just be happy for what you're getting. Take it, or leave it.

I might patch the model for the bike game (imo its the best game), but nothing else.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Relf on 2004-06-26 01:44:21
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I could get a lot of angry emails from newbs who screwed it up. Just be happy for what you're getting. Take it, or leave it.

thats sounds a little hipocritical if you compare it with this
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Behold me and my glory.

So we are to behold you and your glory that also causes you to resent suggestions?

sorry if this sound negative and insulting to Vanit, its not ment to.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: halkun on 2004-06-26 02:50:06
You should of used Clouds hi-res model.

oh well, looks good
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-06-26 09:37:05
Quote from: Vanit
Just be happy for what you're getting. Take it, or leave it.

Calm down.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-06-26 12:44:39
I guess I over reacted a bit.

But I would prefer it if only people who knew what they were talking about gave me suggestions. Most of the suggestions so far have been unreasonable or impossible... and slightly redundant.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-06-26 15:16:29
No they're not.

The problem is your attitude towards people asking simple questions.

You come and claim that you have done this amazing patch that allows a different cloud model to be used in the game. People ask simple questions like if it walks properly, if it works in minigames and the world map, And you go ballistic.  You need to calm down and think before you post.  Relf only asked if it was POSSIBLE[/i][/u] to scale it down a notch, he did not demand or even request it, just a simple question.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: savage-xp on 2004-06-27 17:52:45
Clound looks er.... uncanny... :z
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: halkun on 2004-06-27 18:03:35
Quote from: savage-xp
Clound looks er.... uncanny... :z


Like the X-Men?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: fa_pa on 2004-06-27 18:35:57
hmmm he doesn`t fit in and looks very strange
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: savage-xp on 2004-06-27 19:45:02
Quote from: halkun
Quote from: savage-xp
Clound looks er.... uncanny... :z


Like the X-Men?



Lol, sort off -_-


I like more Chibi characters but i think we can redesign all characters putting more detail on then. :love:
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-06-27 20:43:02
Well, we cant really put MORE detail ont hem, however, they can be enlarged and shrunk and reproportioned.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: J*** H******* on 2004-06-27 20:45:37
Message
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: savage-xp on 2004-06-28 00:29:25
Quote from: EmperorSteele
Well, we cant really put MORE detail ont hem, however, they can be enlarged and shrunk and reproportioned.



I think the default size is ok... :)
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Dreakon on 2004-06-29 13:49:16
Lol!  Nice work ;)
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-07-01 13:05:14
I have finished and released the patch! You can download it from my website (http://vanitstudios.burn.at) in the hacks section. The patch cannot be redistributed without my permission.

Enjoy!
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-01 14:12:57
*uploads it to his website*

There.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: fa_pa on 2004-07-01 14:21:37
Quote from: Darkdevil
*uploads it to his website*

There.


hehe look at his post :wink:

Quote from: Vanit
The patch cannot be redistributed without my permission.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Jedimark on 2004-07-01 14:38:13
Quote from: Vanit
I have finished and released the patch! You can download it from my website (http://vanitstudios.burn.at) in the hacks section. The patch cannot be redistributed without my permission.

Enjoy!

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer

heh!

fa_pa: I think he was taking the piss...
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-01 18:02:33
Dammit Mark!! stop spoiling my plans >_<
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: iceydamo on 2004-07-01 18:37:51
I have a problem in the game after I applyed the patch it, if i ither start a new game or load a game it crashes with no error (after the video secrence on start a new game). can u plz help  me
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-07-01 23:41:16
Try restoring the char.lgp from your disc and patch it the other way.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: iceydamo on 2004-07-02 10:59:01
I have done tht and tried the patch the other way but wheni try the otherway and i load up the game i still have the same cloud char as before not the higher qulity one, plz help me
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-07-02 23:02:10
It seems the patch available on my website was a dud. So I've recreated that patch and actually tested it myself and its now available on my website in place of the old patch. Also it seems that I can't release the patch as an IPS patch anymore so everyone will have to use Ficedula's LGP Tools. In addition to the patch I also edited the readme to include instructions on how to use and where to obtain Ficedula's LGP Tools.

Sorry for the inconvenience!
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-03 07:53:35
*Re-uplodads*

There.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Trek234 on 2004-07-11 15:55:19
Quote from: Vanit
I have finished and released the patch! You can download it from my website (http://vanitstudios.burn.at) in the hacks section. The patch cannot be redistributed without my permission.

Enjoy!


Errr.  Not to be nit-picky, but unless you have written permission from Square (or you actually wrote Final Fantasy VII and have the rights to it) you can't say that you own any modifcation to the game - rather you wrote it or not.  In other words - if someone distributes it besides your self you shouldn't expect much from the courts, or from Square.

You were not even legally allowed to write the patch to begin with under the terms of the license agreement.  (when you entered in to a legally binding agreement not to modify the game when you installed it)  Thus you can not own any modification to the game.

There was actually a case several years ago in which someone wrote a patch for software he did not write.  The company that made the software actually decided he did a good job and used his patch in an official patch.  He took them to court and was ruled against.  The court decided he had no right to it.

Makes sense actually.  If you could own a patch for software you didn't write to begin with (especially when the license agreement says you can't modify the software or distribute modifications) then you could go around patching software you didn't make, then telling the people who actually wrote the software to buy the patch from you before they could make the same modification/fix to their own software.  That wouldn't be very good at all.

Specifically these parts of the license agreement I refer to:

"Your license confers no title or ownership in this Program and should not be constructed as a sale of any rights in this Program."

"User's Responsibilities.  Except as may be permitted by applicable law and this Agreement, you may NOT:
*  Decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble the Program and its components.
*  Modify, copy, reproduce, rent, add or delete components or files, or produce derivative works based upon the Program in whole or in part."

"Export or re-export this Program or any copy or *adaptation* in violation of any applicable laws or regulations."

So legally even *you* are not allowed to distribute this patch, nor were you allowed to write it.

Anyway - as a software author my self I just don't think people should claim rights to things they don't have a right to.  And I get the feeling you (and this site) respect copyright laws your self, so just an FYI for future reference.

I think the mod community for final fantasy is great and unlike any other.  But let's please respect the fact that ultimately Square owns Final Fantasy and any modification per copyright law and the license - not individuals in the community.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: fa_pa on 2004-07-11 18:37:55
nah i cant hear that "But the licence agreement ...." its always the same and if you read it completly you can doubt that you are even allowed to install the game so dont care bout that crap
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-12 09:24:17
I mean no offence to anyone here if they do, But you have to be a sad bastard to read the EULA whenever you install a game....I mean...You buy halo for the PC the day it comes out, you pop the dvd in the drive and bam...You are compulsed to read a 56 page essay about what you are allowed to do with the copy you just forked out 40 quid for.  You're not going to read it. You're just goping to click ok and get installing!
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-12 10:02:35
Quote from: Darkdevil
I mean no offence to anyone here if they do, But you have to be a sad bastard to read the EULA whenever you install a game....I mean...You buy halo for the PC the day it comes out, you pop the dvd in the drive and bam...You are compulsed to read a 56 page essay about what you are allowed to do with the copy you just forked out 40 quid for.  You're not going to read it. You're just goping to click ok and get installing!


so true, i have never ever read an eula before, and i really mean never :P
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-07-12 10:37:29
Quote from: CloudSquall
so true, i have never ever read an eula before, and i really mean never :P

I think I read part of one once, but that was for all of about 5 sentences of redundancy, then I decided I didnt really care, I paid for it, and they wont catch me if I do anything anyhow, even if I was to do anything.

And besides, if we all honestly cared and listened to the EULA, none of us would be here, and Qhimm would probably still be tied up in a court battle with Square to this day. Now arent we all happier that none of us care? :wink:
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-12 11:40:56
Quote from: Messiah99
Qhimm would probably still be tied up in a court battle with Square to this day. Now arent we all happier that none of us care? :wink:


hahaha  :lol:  :lol:
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Trek234 on 2004-07-12 14:49:34
Quote from: Darkdevil
I mean no offence to anyone here if they do, But you have to be a sad bastard to read the EULA whenever you install a game....I mean...You buy halo for the PC the day it comes out, you pop the dvd in the drive and bam...You are compulsed to read a 56 page essay about what you are allowed to do with the copy you just forked out 40 quid for.  You're not going to read it. You're just goping to click ok and get installing!


Actually the license is only a page....

Also, I just wanted to let him know that if he was serious about enforcing HIS license (which is invalid) he wouldn't be able to do so because apparently he didn't realize that while he was apparently expecting his to be followed he had to violate a license to begin with.  (ironic)
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-07-12 16:50:24
I think game companies KNOW that no one reads EULAs, which is why in the eula for Halo, they have the "We have the right to ass rape you at any time" clause.  Check it out, it's near the bottom =P

[edit] and legaly speaking, that 40 quid you pay.. you're not buying the game.  You're buying the licence to own and play it.  The game disk and content is technically free.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-12 17:04:22
Sweet, Ill check it out in a few minutes...It really has that in it?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-07-13 05:24:47
I dunno.  You think I read those?  hell, i pirated halo, for chrissakes =P (Don't worry, it doesnt work, it likes to crash every 15 seconds, so i got what i paid for, lol)  yeah, I was kidding =P

Though i WAS being serious about the whole "you buy the license not the game" part.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-07-13 05:40:07
Quote from: EmperorSteele
hell, i pirated halo, for chrissakes =P (Don't worry, it doesnt work, it likes to crash every 15 seconds, so i got what i paid for, lol)

Haha, pirating games is naughty. :evil:

Actually Im just jealous that I cant on my lovely 28.8k connection, all I get is music, haha. :wink:
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-13 11:30:41
Come august the 14th, and i get a 1 meg connection, I intend to be "aquiring" a beta release of HL2

<_<
>_>
No textures i dont think...Just an orang blackground....They will have character skins tho :D
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-13 11:53:50
Quote from: Darkdevil
Come august the 14th, and i get a 1 meg connection, I intend to be "aquiring" a beta release of HL2

<_<
>_>
No textures i dont think...Just an orang blackground....They will have character skins tho :D


hey do u mean 1 megabyte or megabit?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-13 12:28:33
1 megabyte a second....
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-13 12:52:40
Quote from: Darkdevil
1 megabyte a second....


cool, i thought i was the only one :P

3 days left till they get to my house to make it

8192/1024 kilobits/s
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-13 16:15:06
If only my parents would haver gotten the bulldog Variable package.....512K peak time, " meg Off peak time...DAMN YOU MARK!!! >_<

On another note, I GOT A JOB :D:D:D I work on the Deli counter at Safeway >_>
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: mirex on 2004-07-14 06:49:26
HL2 is already sold in russia ... its the version which was stolen from their server some time ago ... so guys finished it by them selfs, and now sell it.
It is missing some parts of levels and some storyline from what i heard ...
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: svennis on 2004-07-14 07:54:45
i got 100mbit upload and download :) lol
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-14 13:19:41
Quote from: svennis
i got 100mbit upload and download :) lol


guess its an optic?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-14 13:45:05
Well its not an internet connection.  There no way in HELL you could have a 100mb connection. I think the maximum is 15 megs atm isnt it?
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-14 13:58:38
Quote from: Darkdevil
Well its not an internet connection.  There no way in HELL you could have a 100mb connection. I think the maximum is 15 megs atm isnt it?


20
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Aaron on 2004-07-14 14:19:24
Sure about that?
My university has OC-3.
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/OC.html
I've gotten some mad fast download speeds there, occasionally up to 2-4 megabytes per second (not just "spurts," but running for several minutes on end).  It is shared by a few thousand computers, though. :P

Anyway, some people get confused and think they have a 100 megabit connection just because that's what Windows reports for the network line speed. :P
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-14 15:24:29
Quote from: Aaron
Anyway, some people get confused and think they have a 100 megabit connection just because that's what Windows reports for the network line speed. :P


hahah thats funny if they think that but thats still not much 12megabyte/s ...

btw did u ever try playing Counter-Stike with ur connection?

i think the ping wont show up cuz it stays at 0 lol
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Qhimm on 2004-07-15 11:45:43
IIRC my university has a gigabit connection to the Internet backbone... you never utilize that speed individually though, because
a) all computers are capped by switches/routers to 10mbit, and
b) the connection is shared by several thousand computers.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Chard on 2004-07-24 02:08:27
Cloud is my favorite character and I enjoy him being the largest human in the game. For once he is the big man on campass and you did a fantastic job with him.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2004-07-25 20:57:57
I know I was a bit late to catch this half of the conversation but anyways. I was merely stating that I dont want people putting the patch on their site and getting attention for what I've done (yes, technically I didn't make the model but up until now few people knew about it and no one had taken the opportunity to make a patch for it so I did). While the patch may seem simple I had to do a lot of thinking to actually complete it. At first I was planning to reanimate the model from scratch, but then I got cheap and just used Cloud's old animation data. I also had to find a way to dispose of 2 bones so the model would match up with Cloud's old animation data (I decided to drop the new feet and stick with Cloud's original foot boxes).

I'm not claiming the model as my own. I just want to host my damn patch on my own god damn site without anyone else interferring ><

I'd also like to thank everyone for taking my thread completely offtopic and ruining it for everyone else.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-07-26 04:09:19
Please, PLEASE chill out, jeez. Noone's trying to steal your work or rip you off for anything here, in case you havent noticed, the people here are quite mature and above that sort of behavior. All anyone was trying to do was mirror the patch for you, not claim it as their own. And I dont see what possible wrong that could bring, as long as they aknowledge you as the author of the patch.

1. If anyone mirrors it on their site, then it may very well be found by more people, and isnt that the point of bringing it to the forums anyway, getting it to people other than yourself?

2. Someone else mirroring it for you means less people have to download from your site directly, which in turn saves bandwidth on your end.

But do what you will, thats just my thoughts.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-07-26 06:43:02
You know, that model does look a bit clunky...

You got these littttllleeee people and soldiers around, then BIIIGGG 'ol Cloud. Not only that, the textures look very bland. Im no programmer or anything (for now), but consumer wise (even though its free), I'd say theres still room for improvement, but awesome job getting to where you got it. Its definetly better than the jaggies.

(P.S., I just got off the phone with MC Hammer, he wants his Genie Pants back)

Just messin with ya!  :lol:
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-26 08:50:38
Christ kid. CALM DOWN.  You at least appear to have a MAJOUR attitude problem.  no one is "ripping you off" no one is "stealing your work".  show me someone who has it oine their site and I will delete this post and give you every right to be pissed.  so for the moment, stop it.
Title: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: EmperorSteele on 2004-07-27 04:47:33
And its not like you were the first person to do it, anyway.

My bad, i was thinking of soemthing else =(
Title: Re: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: Vanit on 2008-08-18 01:30:31
I know I'm reviving a 4 year old thread, but I was killing time and looking at my internet movements from way back when and stumbled upon this thread. I'd like to formally apologize for being a total douche. :P
Title: Re: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: *:.Griever.:* on 2008-08-18 09:19:35
Matured a bit now have we?
Title: Re: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: JordieBo on 2008-08-18 17:46:03
Ah, until I saw that post I thought this was a new thread that became popular very quickly! ^^
By the way, well done.
Title: Re: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: ModHelp on 2008-10-05 16:56:29
yo thanks a but load. finally my first mod on my game. the only problem so far is wen at the beginning when i first see wdge biggs and jesse at the gate thing .. wedge is a GIANT his foot was the size of my hole body. but that was just for  aa few seconds

and in tifas bar wen the game arcade elevator. wen i used it my feet went through the floor..but so far so good..ty!
Title: Re: High Res Cloud (outside of battle) - I have done it!
Post by: ModHelp on 2008-10-05 18:59:46
what program did you use to make that