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Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-17 00:07:35: Hehe here is why:

It was Nomura's idea for Aerith to die and Tifa to become the main heroine. In the beginning there was Aerith and no Tifa. Then one Sunday night, during a phonecall to Yoshinori Kitase (Director), he said "Let's kill Aerith and bring out Tifa". They never had a type of story where there were two heroines and one dies.

For Tifa, he could not decide between pants or a mini-skirt, so he passed his sketches around the office and the majority liked the mini-skirt. On the other end, 'Long Skirt' was Aerith's trademark.

The truth is revealed :P

So no bringing back Aerith from dead, no other ending :P
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: qwerty on 2004-07-17 02:40:30: umm... I want to post something worthwhile but I don't think there's much truth or reason for this post... why is this even in the General forum? Seems like something that belongs in Completely Unrelated or... Hell. :-?
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-07-17 04:10:42: You can bring Aerith back. Not in game, but with a Gameshark. I put it in once a few years after finishing it, and she was exactly how she was before she died. Level, materia, all that crap, same rod, all that stuff. I was actually suprised, but it doesnt work, its just not apart of the game.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-17 11:31:41: Quote from: Bunnie-Maru
You can bring Aerith back. Not in game, but with a Gameshark. I put it in once a few years after finishing it, and she was exactly how she was before she died. Level, materia, all that crap, same rod, all that stuff. I was actually suprised, but it doesnt work, its just not apart of the game.

i tried that too, but didnt find any code for it
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-07-17 16:23:06: Revive Aerith:
8009CBDE FF03
Turn off the GameShark before loading a saved game with this code. Empty the third slot of your party. Example: You are currently using Cloud as your first character, Tifa as your second character and Yuffie as your third character -- remove Yuffie. Turn on the GameShark. Note: This code is best used on Disc 3.

It obviously requires a much older version of the Gameshark, the one that loads into the back port of the Playstation and has that switch.

But it does work.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-17 17:52:24: Quote from: Bunnie-Maru
Revive Aerith:
8009CBDE FF03
Turn off the GameShark before loading a saved game with this code. Empty the third slot of your party. Example: You are currently using Cloud as your first character, Tifa as your second character and Yuffie as your third character -- remove Yuffie. Turn on the GameShark. Note: This code is best used on Disc 3.

It obviously requires a much older version of the Gameshark, the one that loads into the back port of the Playstation and has that switch.

But it does work.

wow thx.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-07-17 20:05:23: But like I said, it requires the much older Gameshark and the first PS1 model, or the earlier ones.

You need the one with the back port. The early models have the back ports, then later on they made the newer models with no back port, and then they came out with that small economy-sized one that it sold now. I think the Gameshark Version needed for it may be Versions 2 or Higher.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Threesixty on 2004-07-19 16:28:57: I still think there were plans of a resurrection, that got cut, either because of time, or purposely cut for a dramatic effect. Maybe both....were true. Maybe because of time restraints, an alternate ending was dropped. You know....Shadow Hearts....awe never mind, I don't want to spoil it.

There are too many little things, that point to a resurrection....such as Red13's Grandpa's speech. (can you tell...I can't pronounce it, thus can't spell it), the mirrors that don't do anything in that ancient city.... The Materia Natural fountain, in Nibiliem (sp). Tifa saying that it wasn't Aeris' intention of dying. The infamous picture of Aeris looking at the Highwind. And why did Marline say "the flower girl?", during the ending movie. Just little things that seem, out of place. There is even pieces of dialog for Aeris, if you do that hack, of getting her back into the party, that were left in the game.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-19 17:04:24: I've heard people say the same, I personally beleive everyhting you've just said Threesixty, but people say the speech left in the game would be the same should you have vincent, yuffie or any other char in your party at that point...IMO those littles things really DO point towards a resuraction sequence.

And on another note. That one feild file that was found, that was 3 screens high, with no walkmeshes on it...I've just remembered....could that not be the feild file for when sephhy is in the materia and cloud gives him the
Spoiler: show
black materia
?
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Contra on 2004-07-19 20:24:12: It's identical to a scene in the "weapons escaping" video. I am assuming that the hidden cave or whatever, has NOTHING to do with Aeris's death, and was more likely used to lay out the positions of the characters on the ground in that movie's overlay. Just a guess though. I whole-heartedly doubt that Aeris was ever intended to be resurrected. Sakaguchi made this game as an exploration of life, in memorial of his departed mother. The natural materia fountain in Nibelheim was only there to give Sephiroth a reason to explain what materia are in the Nibelheim flashback. Aeris is looking at the highwind because she DOES see it, and she tells cloud she wants to ride in it some day. And Marlene said "The Flower Girl?" because she knew that it was Aeris casting Holy, and directing the lifestream. Which brings us to the biggest reason that Aeris never was meant to be brought back. If she was, meteor would have destroyed the Planet. There would have been nothing to stop it. Nothing. For Aeris to have been resurrected, it would have had to be a different game with a different story. And Sakaguchi has said that he was working on this story from early into production on FF6, when his mother died. It was never intended for Aeris to be revivable. Deal with it, Fanboys. :P

-Contra
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-19 20:27:04: Thats the scene I meant!!! the weapon escape scene....Hell, Even if aeris was supposed to come back...I wouldn't use her.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Sephiroth2000 on 2004-07-20 20:11:33: The thing is, I had all my healing materia with Aeris, so she died with it and lost all the Masters...
GODDAMN YOU!!!
*ahem*
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Darkdevil on 2004-07-20 20:37:38: I ask this...HOW did you have mastered healing materia on her?!
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-07-21 01:39:19: Quote from: Sephiroth2000
The thing is, I had all my healing materia with Aeris, so she died with it and lost all the Masters...
GODDAMN YOU!!!
*ahem*

:lol: :lol: :lol:

before i started playing FF7 my mate told me that she's gonna die, so i never played with her and no materia were on her :)

But the second time i started playing i wanted everything ingame so i played with her and even got her final limibreak(i had to train alot).

all this was on psx.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: chibiken on 2004-08-14 01:55:22: Can anyone tell me at what point of the game she dies at?
(Disc 1, Disc 2, Disc 3) and where, (Beginning, Middle, Near the End)

Is there even a point of me training her ? (kinda in the MIDDLE ish area of disc 1)

*PC VERSION*

Thanks!
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-14 05:00:16: Well, there is a point in training her, because in the middle of the game around where she dies (Not exactly when, a little before she does), you will be forced to have her in your party, and you cannot switch her out, and you will have to go into a boss battle with her.

As the exact disc, I dont really know.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Ged on 2004-08-14 06:58:41: Quote from: Threesixty
I still think there were plans of a resurrection (...)

Spoilers ahead -

I still don't understand why so many people can't accept the fact that Aerith had to die (It's not a campaign against you Threesixty, it's just the matter that the topic of resurrection was moved). There could not be plans of resurrecting her -- it's inevitable to the storyline. And I don't mean the fact that that Sephiroth kills her - the matter is about Holy. She prayed for it. And her soul HAD to reach the planet for it to work. Listen closely to what Bugenhagen has to say about Holy. If you tried to get her soul back before reaching the planet it would mean death for the planet. I can't get it why so many people have such an infant attitude to the fact - death of a character isn't taboo for a game, so why whenever such a thing happens, not many can accept the fact and start making theories up? Going over the top with "get Aerith by killing Cheese Weapon and giving the Sandwich to the Silver Chocobo" etc. is quite immature. Tis the same with the fact that not many can understand that Cloud had a very strong and quite intimate relationship with Zack - what happened afterwards has a strong effect on Cloud's general behaviour - FFVII is strony psychological, and understanding that helps understanding the characters. It was the same with Sephiroth and Cloud - but that part would need a longer explanation, and I guess I will soon make a topic about it..
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-14 07:23:49: As I said before, there IS a way to get her back, but not in the story...

But you're gonna have to dig through to find an old enough PS1 with the port/old enough Ganeshark :P
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Ged on 2004-08-14 07:59:31: Bunnie, that's not the point.... :z
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-08-14 09:23:52: Quote from: chibiken
Can anyone tell me at what point of the game she dies at?
(Disc 1, Disc 2, Disc 3) and where, (Beginning, Middle, Near the End)

Is there even a point of me training her ? (kinda in the MIDDLE ish area of disc 1)

*PC VERSION*

Thanks!

She dies in Disc 1 and u can train her near Condor, thats where i trained her
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: fuchisasquatch on 2004-08-14 17:47:38: Quote
Tis the same with the fact that not many can understand that Cloud had a very strong and quite intimate relationship with Zack - what happened afterwards has a strong effect on Cloud's general behaviour

By intimate you mean close friends right... Cloud wasn't gay was he...? He better not be or ill smash my copy of FF7. (Not that i'm a gay hater or anything, but I have always thought Cloud was cool.)

And F.... Sephiroth for killing Aeris now everytime i hear Aeris's theme makes me feel down... anyway.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-08-14 19:14:31: Quote from: fuchisasquatch
Quote
Tis the same with the fact that not many can understand that Cloud had a very strong and quite intimate relationship with Zack - what happened afterwards has a strong effect on Cloud's general behaviour

By intimate you mean close friends right... Cloud wasn't gay was he...? He better not be or ill smash my copy of FF7. (Not that i'm a gay hater or anything, but I have always thought Cloud was cool.)

And F.... Sephiroth for killing Aeris now everytime i hear Aeris's theme makes me feel down... anyway.

yes, Ged means close friends only
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Ged on 2004-08-14 19:15:53: Quote from: fuchisasquatch
By intimate you mean close friends right... Cloud wasn't gay was he...? He better not be or ill smash my copy of FF7. (Not that i'm a gay hater or anything, but I have always thought Cloud was cool.)

How does being gay relate to being cool? That's an enigma :z
If you truly look into it you cannot say either that Cloud is gay or straight.. He's somewhat between, and quite confused. On one side we have Sephiroth and Zack, on the second Aerith and Tifa. But I guess if you feel like discussing this topic, post it in this topic (http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?t=3375).. Oh, and I didn't mean close friends CloudSquall.. It was more of strong brotherhood, though it was even more then that. Zack's death however cut it short. So we never knew what would happen between them..
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-14 20:35:27: Quote
(Not that i'm a gay hater or anything, but I have always thought Cloud was cool.)

If you thought he was cool straight, why wouldnt he be cool if he was gay? Still the same person :-?
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: fuchisasquatch on 2004-08-15 01:37:22: well i dunno its just weird..

its just kinda a shock to see that the idea may be a possibility..i had never thought of it that way before until i read that post..but yeah
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: chibiken on 2004-08-17 02:03:20: Quote from: Bunnie-Maru
Well, there is a point in training her, because in the middle of the game around where she dies (Not exactly when, a little before she does), you will be forced to have her in your party, and you cannot switch her out, and you will have to go into a boss battle with her.

As the exact disc, I dont really know.

So what level she should be around by that battle?

I'm lyke at cosmo and she's already level 39. Is that good enough?

Thanks!
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-17 02:13:21: Hmmm..I think thats good enough. Thats about the time you enter that weird area with the stairs I think.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: chibiken on 2004-08-17 04:41:09: She's at like, 41 now.

I spent HOURS training in that junon alarm room. Damn that place is AMAZING.

Should I even bother getting her 3rd level limit break + 4th? (Well i already got the Mythiral *sp* from the old man in the cave, but not the ACTUAL manual) I have all of her limit breaks up to the 2nd level.

ALSO, can anyone tell me if i'm near the "middle" or "end" or Inbetween middle and end" of disc 1?

Right now, I JUST got to Nibelheim. (not in the flashback).
I'm about to go to in the shinra mansion, fight Lost Number, get Red's Cosmo Memory, and recruiting Vincent.

THANKS! :love:
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-17 05:56:14: Honestly, I'd say it would help to get her 4th limit break. You're gonna need all the firepower you can get for this fight that comes up (though I cant remember it off the top of my head). Its probally not necessary, but then again, neither is Cloud's Omnislash...but it sure is helpful to have.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-08-17 07:11:44: chibiken, Id say youre about 1/2 or 2/3 of the way through disc 1 at that point, give or take depending on
Spoiler: show
if you decide to do the Wutai subquests right away like I do.

As for her limit breaks, Id say get them, her 4th level is amazing, such a shame you only have it for a short time. It's one big cluster of helpfulness to the party, haha. It does the following IIRC:
Esuna on all party members
Restores all party member's HP fully(I forget if it recovers MP as well)
Makes party invulnerable temporarily (long enough to finish nearly any battle)
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Threesixty on 2004-08-17 08:55:20: Oh Ged...there are a few things that lead me to believe that a resurection was thought upon... but the one that sticks out is this:

Quote

Cloud: By the way... Why is it that when you use materia you can also
use magic too?

Sephiroth: You were in SOLDIER and didn't even know that? ...the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients is held in the materia. Anyone with this knowledge can freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts between ourselves and the planet calling up magic...... or so they say.

Cloud: Magic...... a mysterious power...

Sephiroth: Ha, ha, ha!

Cloud: Did I say something funny?

Sephiroth: A man once told me never to use an unscientific term such as mysterious power! It shouldn't even be called 'magic'! I still remember how angry he was.

Cloud: What was that?

Sephiroth: Hojo of Shinra, Inc. ... An inexperienced man assigned to take over the work of a great scientist. He was a walking mass of complexes.

Tifa: A Mako fountain... So this is where the knowledge of the Ancients is.

The last line is what gets me....combine it with what Cloud says when he looks at all those magical mirrors around the Ancient City. I forget what Cloud says, but he says that he doesn't understand, or something. I always thought that that magical fountain, and those Mirrors in the Ancient city were connected. But it is a part of FF7 that is never resolved....not even as a sidequest.

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Bugenhagen: Ho Ho Hoooo. Yes, it is something, isn't it? Well, let's get to the subject. Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they die? The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their souls? The soul too returns to the Planet. And not only those of humans, but everything on this Planet. In fact, all living things in the universe, are the same. The spirits that return to the Planet, merge with one another and roam the Planet. They roam, converge, and divide, becoming a swell, called the 'Lifestream'. Lifestream... In other words, a path of energy of the souls roaming the Planet. 'Spirit Energy' is a word that you should never forget. A new life... children are blessed with Spirit energy and are brought into the world. Then, the time comes when they die and once again return to the Planet... Of course there are exceptions, but this is the way of the world. I've digressed, but you'll understand better if you watch this.

"Of course there are exceptions," sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Cloud: I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet...

Tifa: Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all. I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned on coming back all along. She always used to talk about the 'Next time'. She talked about the future more that any of us..."
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: chibiken on 2004-08-17 19:26:50: Quote from: Messiah99
chibiken, Id say youre about 1/2 or 2/3 of the way through disc 1 at that point, give or take depending on
Spoiler: show
if you decide to do the Wutai subquests right away like I do.

As for her limit breaks, Id say get them, her 4th level is amazing, such a shame you only have it for a short time. It's one big cluster of helpfulness to the party, haha. It does the following IIRC:
Esuna on all party members
Restores all party member's HP fully(I forget if it recovers MP as well)
Makes party invulnerable temporarily (long enough to finish nearly any battle)

Thanks! Do you think it's a good idea to do the Wutai subquest right away or (save it later? CAN you do it later in the game?)

As for aeris, gah, I dunno, It'll take quite a while for her to get all of her lv 3 limit breaks. But i do find her Fury Brand quite useful!
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-17 20:04:18: Im not sure if you can do it later. I think its triggered by an event in the game. I specificly remember waiting until around the 3rd disc to get Vincent and Yuffie, and she didnt steal my materia when I went to do it on the third disc. I think I had to replay again to be able to do it and fight in the pagoda. Im not sure what exactly triggers it.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-08-18 03:39:07: It can be done at any time, all that matters is that you have Yuffie as an available character, and go to Wutai Island.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Threesixty on 2004-08-18 03:46:44: I don't think it can be done anytime....you need to be able to get there. She makes a little comment about visiting her homeland after the Bronco crashes. That's when you can go...anytime after the crash.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: CloudSquall on 2004-08-18 10:39:50: Quote from: Bunnie-Maru
Im not sure if you can do it later. I think its triggered by an event in the game. I specificly remember waiting until around the 3rd disc to get Vincent and Yuffie, and she didnt steal my materia when I went to do it on the third disc. I think I had to replay again to be able to do it and fight in the pagoda. Im not sure what exactly triggers it.

its becuz u have to go on 2disc, thats what triggers it
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Messiah99 on 2004-08-18 11:39:09: Quote from: CloudSquall
its becuz u have to go on 2disc, thats what triggers it

Can't be, because I always did the Wutai and pagoda side quests right away as soon as I got the Tiny Broncho.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Borman on 2004-08-18 14:44:42: I dont think there were plans for a ressurection. but, using the info provided in the first post (which ive read elsewhere), maybe there was an alternate storyline BEFORE that phonecall. When making a game, you dont necessarily make it from beginning to end, rather you skip around. So maybe they hadnt planned on Aeris dying when they made the Northern Crater part. So all Im saying is maybe there was a change in major plot during development
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-18 20:28:46: I know you cant go whenever you want, because I could not do it when i got to the third disc (After I went into the crater atleast). I had Yuffie with me, no matter how many times I went in there, the Turks wernt in that cafe, and Yuffie never stole my materia. I remember that for a FACT, because when I went to do the Turtle Paradise flyer quests, and I went to the island, nothing happened at all, which was also around after I beat the game (Saved right before I went into the crater). So there IS a certain point where you cannot do it, I just dont know what it is. Maybe when the Weapon destroys that village, or when it comes up to Midgar.

As for Aeris' final limit break, all you need to do is get the Mythril from the dude in that cave and give it back to the weapon seller and pick the chest upstairs. The one downstairs is some piece of crap armor I think.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Threesixty on 2004-08-18 20:49:42: I bet you it's because you have the final confrontation with the Turks when you go back to Midgar.... YOu do that in the end of Disk2 I think. You get an option of fighting them or not fighting them. That's probably when the sidequest of Yuffie's turns off.
Title: LOL! I finally know why Aerith had to die :P
Post by: Bunnie-Maru on 2004-08-19 00:46:28: Yes, that would make sense, since the Turks are only there during the sidequest. Imagine my suprise when I was on Disc 3 and nothing happened. I had to re-do the game after I beat it to do the sidequests. That irked me a little. I always do the sidequests later. Im just determined to get to the goal, deal with the little crap later, focus on the main objective.

Biggest reason why I hated Final Fantasy 8. Atleast with X-2, you can go back with everything from your last save and do all the little crap you missed.