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Like the title says. I'm not really interested in typing alot, but. Alot of FFVII fans including myself were looking for a sequal, but to be honest I really don't know what to think about the screenshots for both of them. Something is missing ...
What really made FFVII my favourite game was the plot, I don't know about anyone else but I've heard nothing about the plot of either of these.
Anyone have their doubts and think that these could possibly ruin FFVII legacy? -_-
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Advent Children I have no doubts on. It looks great, and it sounds like a legitamet (sp?) plot. The game however, just looks and sounds the opposite.
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Well it looks good, whats it about though. I haven't seen anything about the plot except for that square hasn't released it.
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There has been a ton of hints on the plot, and several parts revealed. If you really longe for checking it out there are several preview-movie (from the Venice Film Festival, the 30min one) reports floating on the net. On DC though we cannot say anything so far.
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I have almost infinite doubts about DC, it looks almost like MGS... :z
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The golden rule of thumb: If you're going to make a kick ass movie, you're going to need a dumb ass game to go along with it, and vice versa. Check:
Mortal Kombat
Super Mario Brothers
Tomb Raider
Resident Evil
Catwoman
Batman
Even though there have been alot of good games based on movie titles like KOTOR, there are still alot of stinkers...
@_@
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Im sorry...at what point was either the game or the film of Catwoman good?
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I LOVED Catwoman!
All jokes aside...
You get the general feel of it. If it really offends people that much, I'll change it, but either way, it didnt contribute to society at all, which is why I put it in there.
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I LOVED Catwoman!
All jokes aside...
You get the general feel of it. If it really offends people that much, I'll change it, but either way, it didnt contribute to society at all, which is why I put it in there.
catwoman is the worst crap of the whole cinema year!
in Advent Children I have no doubts too but i don't know much enough about dc to have any feelings for it
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Wow, people acually went to see catwoman? lol
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I feel AC will be good but... there are some things I can't get over. GunBlades: Why? They have nothing to do with FF7. They were created for FF8, not FF7. To me, mixing FF games is sort of an :evil: "ultimate sin" :weep: . Face it. It's just sloppy work! "Realistic" Sephiroth : His hair is just ...so... ...flat! In the game, he looked like the man that could take over the world! Now, he looks like someone living in a ditch (or using too much conditioner?). Then there’s the eyes and mouth thing. Seen that picture of Sephiroth, smirking, with his head down? I think they used "The Crow" as a reference pic for that. At least "The Crow" didn't look like a... {place insult here}. Apparently, in the effort to make his character more realistic, they lost all facial characteristics I associate with Sephiroth. (Save for long hair.)
Is your hair thinning? Call the "Septh Hotline" today!
Cloud's hair, I can respect. Doesn't look 'great', but it does look like they at least paid special attention to the original style.
Let’s see... everything else, I like. Many characters didn't tern out how I imagined (in the game, I thought Cid had very short hair) but that's no problem. Now, I can't wait to finally hear them!
All in all, I think the movie is going to be a half-assed story, that isn't that bad (if there is such a thing) in the end, finally concluding the original story, and leaves an opening for DC.
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Now, "DC"...
The screenshots look awesome! I hope more of Vincent's back-story comes up in this game. Don't really care what kind of game it is. If the game takes 40+ hours to complete, I'll be a very happy camper. :love:
The only worry I have is "guest shots" of other characters. "Lame" would be: Vincent has Cloud help him for a little while, only to have Cloud leave for the rest of the game.
Other then that, I'm really looking forward to it. :wink:
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Many things posted by you are terms of taste, but the gunblades? Where do you see gunblades? Yazoo uses a gun. It has a shape that allows to block a sword, nothing more.
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It didnt look like a blade, It was very blocky and thick almost. But thats just what I saw.
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Wow, people acually went to see catwoman? lol
yep i watched it because the girls wanted to see it and i hate myself for watching this movie.
what is the game for a genere? action, rpg? the screenshots and the trailer looks like an action game a la tomb raider.
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what is the game for a genere? action, rpg? .
I prefer the term "bollocks" myself....
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odo324 I do agree with you alot, that's one of my main concerns about that movie. Maybe they tried not to make them look like the game, regardless they made Tifa look awesome so she defiantly compensates for all of that. In FFVII I personally liked Yuffie, it's a shame that she isn't more attractive then they could have made her(even marline it cuter, lol).
I read some of the plot, or at least what someone saw. It seems kind of flukey, but I'll watch the movie anyway. (I wonder when it will be in Toronto) >.>
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But yeah, plot wise. There is only hints, "Hey how about we tell them nothing about the movie,
As opposed to "Hey, lets tell them EVERY single little thing about it so they'll get all excited but will already know everything about it!"
I think in Ged's other thread and on AdventChildren.net that theres some sort of infectionous disease spreading around (Geo-Stigma, I believe?) that is infecting the children, or something close to it. Dont quote me on it, but Im pretty sure its on that site or in his thread.
As for the characters in the movie and in the game...I wouldnt complain. I for one do not find the dumbell-arm look attractive. I think most of the characters are alright. Its nice to see Cloud with normal hair (Err..sort of). I dont understand how Sephiroth can be examined since Sephiroth has only been seen for about 5 seconds, the infamous fire scene. Unless the real one shows up again in the TGS2004 trailer (which I havent gotten around too yet), him and his hair looked fine. I dont see any difference between the game one and the movie one, besides the fact he has an actual nose, eyes, and mouth this time around.
That game though..>_>
Im usually good about pointing out the stinkers before they hit. I managed to hit Enter the Matrix, Conflict: Desert Storm, Shellshock:Nam '67, The Sims Online, and a few other over-hyped stinkers right on the head. Im not too sure about this one either.
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I acually read the AC thread and it has a link to some plot hints that I semi-read. I kind of skimmed them fast so my brain wouldn't absorb them. lol
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As for the characters in the movie and in the game...I wouldnt complain. I for one do not find the dumbell-arm look attractive. I think most of the characters are alright. Its nice to see Cloud with normal hair (Err..sort of). I dont understand how Sephiroth can be examined since Sephiroth has only been seen for about 5 seconds, the infamous fire scene. Unless the real one shows up again in the TGS2004 trailer (which I havent gotten around too yet), him and his hair looked fine. I dont see any difference between the game one and the movie one, besides the fact he has an actual nose, eyes, and mouth this time around.
I personally expected clouds and sephiroths hair to look similar to the game, and have less of a force of gravity on them. :P
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Cloud's hair isnt that different from the game, its just shrunk down a bit. And Sephiroth's hair looks just like it did in the game, so its kind if simuilar I suppose.
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Game: http://theepok.free.fr/IMG/ff7/images/sephiroth.jpg
Movie: http://membres.lycos.fr/uchunoalda/gif/sephiroth.jpg
Reasonably it is the same, except for the front parts which stuck up as opposed to flopped down.
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Consider thats a concept drawing, or some kind of official art, not an ingame version of him. If anything, I like the new Sephiroth in that picture, he looks a little more darker and sorrowful.
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That may be very true, I would infact picture Sephiroth like that. Acually to be more specific I would picture him being like that after the whole Shinra mansion thing. :lol: Disregarding his body, his face to me is more feminine then it was in the game (or atleast his usual pictures). :P
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In that concept art, he looks more of a rugged bad ass. In the movie one, he has a much more softer feel to his face, but at the same time, it makes him look even more crazier I think. He looks like he just killed someone, and hasnt even thought twice of it, compared to that art where he looks like any ordinary loud-mouthed punk.
I prefer the cold, silent serial killer-like face over the one in the art personally.
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Here's a quick photoshop edit I did. :)
http://img32.exs.cx/img32/553/sephiroth1.gif
Okay, maybe there is something about hair covering the face that makes them look badass. :P
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Thats what it is. His eyes. The ones in the movie form are so dark like they're overshadowed. That, and the tilted head, and just the look and feel of his face just give off an eerie serial killer feel for some reason...
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Yeah, but you can make any face look like their a badass serialkiller. :P It's just that for some reason, his new face looks more girlish then it used to.
Since we're on the topic of appearance, how about Barret? I did not picture him like this ...
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I think you're underestimating Nomura. He after all created this character, so he knows better how this character was meant to be. And the movie version suits it far better then the concept art. It's not just a simple "I'm a crazy madman killer". The concept art one doesn't even compare to the game.
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Maybe so. Who wrote the story for FF:AC btw?
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:z 4 faces of Sephiroth -- From the game, to the movie. (http://bin.mypage.sk/FILES/faceofdoubt.png) :z
As far as the hair goes, I was referring to the "lift" in his bangs. PumpkinPieman's statement of Sephorith's face being somewhat girlish caught my eye. I took a 2nd look at the image and noticed his hair is parted in AC! Didn't notice it b4, but I'd blame the look on that. Although, the mouth/lips maybe the "face" part 'Pie was referring too.
Barret's hard to tell. I've only seen one image (http://adventchildren.net/media/screens/sept28/ff7advent_0025.htm). Similar situation with Yuffie. There’s the image of her parashooting down, but that’s it.
BTW: I would gladly view the recently released trailer, if I wasn't on dialup and trying to download other stuff while I sleep. :isee:
GunBlades are mentioned here, in the 4th Paragraph down (http://adventchildren.net/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1094388458&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2&) (no pics :(). Beware: Major Spoilers! The link was originally posted by The SaiNt (http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?p=48825#48825).
Underestimating Nomura? I'd say, yes & no. Yes: There his characters and he has every right to change them as he sees best. No:He's compromising his original style that has been engraved in people's minds for nearly seven years!
Never the less, if the movie is a mile, (IMO) where talking about centimeters here! Right?
AC :: Script/Scenario Writer: Kazushige Nojima
-- AC: Credits Here -- (http://adventchildren.net/ff7ac/movie/developers.htm)
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"Accusation" of making "girlish" faces to Japanese is almost an insult. Bishounen - name says for itself. And the lift - the chara in the movie would look terrible if they made it according to older FMV's. You see him in the movie and there is no doubt it's him. Hair is parted..? And that's... bad? Both Barret and Yuffie are in the new trailer. Read a few posts back, I posted quite a lot of Yuffie images. About gunblades - no thanks, no spoilers. Nomura? That's not the point. I'd rather say that if a person can't understand the changes, means that he didn't understand Nomura nor the character at all.
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How is it an insult? I'm simply comparing it to the faces that are in the game leaflet. For example Cid looks awesome and very close to what he would look like, except for maybe him looking younger. :P
Plus, quit it with this Nomura BS. If he really wanted the characters to look as they do now, he would have done different concept images for the game.
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"Insult" should also be in brackets. Japanese male ideal is very girlish. Soft details, long hair, almost mistakeable. Plus, I won't. Imagine FF7 SD-style with the current AC character design.
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Honestly, I think they just wanted a realistic image. They shortened Cloud's hair because it would be nearly impossible to get natural hair like his. Same with Sephiroth. Those bangs would be as hard to hell to get without a ton of gel (and who wants wet gel running down their face when they're sweating?).
The old one looks like some sort of fashion model really. Yeah, he looks tough, but not creepy. The new one, everything is just more natural and darker. Look at the eyes. The eyes tell it all. I also like how his hair kind of covers his face instead of two giant spikes.
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What’s everyone upset about? Complaining about other people's concerns accomplishes nothing. Least PumpkinPieman has the right idea (http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?p=49742#49742).
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I never knew the ideal male in Japanese culture was soft/slender. That does explain a few things about the last few FF games. Regardless of my worries, I'm forced to agree with Bunnie-Maru. If an anime is to be redefined in a much more realistic manner, the more 'extreme features' (like hair styles) will need to be compromised for that realism.
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It would also explain why Auron had shaved armpits...
That always freaked me out.
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I'm sure they had to make a few compromises, but it still looks like Sephiroth has been without testosterone through his teens. :lol:
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And thats bad because...?
If this were an action-packed Rambo-esque movie, then yes, it would be a dispointment. But Im not expecting that out of him.
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Most girls despise it, so that might be an extra reason for that.
Besides, there are very, very few japanese artists who add it. It just doesn't look good. And again, the no-testosterone is due to the japanese drawings trends. Evil guys should be smooth, girlish, and a little bit feminine - maybe not straight off, but they should have a feel about it around them. Take Kuja for example. Seymour wasn't much far off either. Unless we're talking about shounen mangas. There rugged, big, muscled, grotesque, and usually not-so-very-attractive-rambo-thing is kind of common.
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That would also explain why Kuja looked like Prince with a tail.
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I haven't noticed very many animes that have a girlish guy as someone of evil. *shruggs* Oh well ...
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I haven't noticed very many animes that have a girlish guy as someone of evil. *shruggs* Oh well ...
Actually now that I think about it, Naruto does.
Trigun did ( I forget the Jananese name ).
That's just off the top of my head (without thinking too hard on it). So maybe there is a possibility with that hmmm ;)
Cyb
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Haku was an exception, they specifically mentioned that Haku looked like a girl but in reality wasn't. :lol:
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So does full metal alchemist..
Envy
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Seems you didn't see much.
It's very, very common.
Take classical Fushigi Yuugi for example. Hotohori, Nuriko, even Tamahome, from the Seiryuu side Nakago and Tomo. Shojou Kakumei Utena - *all* of male characters (not counting the teacher I think). Take all the Samurai related anime - there will always be one among them. Why? Because of Souji Okita, the famed fragile boy, who's fighting skills were beyond. Appeared in Rurouni Kenshin, PeaceMaker Kurogane, Shinsengumi, Burai etc. Along with other feminine characters. FMA and Naruto indeed (guess why they have so many female fans). Angelique - one out of twenty looks male, all others are hugely decorated, long-haired, feminine to mistake. Then all shoujo and shounen-ai. Of which titles you could give examples till boredom. And of course Final Fantasy. Sephiroth and Cloud, Squall, Kuja, Tidus, now upcoming Balflear, Vaan, even Basch. And the list goes on and on...
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Or how about that guy in Cowboy Bebop? His name slips my mind, but he was in Session 11-12, the transgender guy.
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FF7 AC i believe will be great. DoC has the potential to be good. It has potential now whether or not that will be used is up to S-E. The story hints they have given if put together right sound really good and you also gotta take into consideration what happens in AC will change how you feel on what the story brings with DoC. I don't have many doubts that the story will be good. My doubts come from the game play. As it's been pointed out it does look very MGSish. Not saying that is how it's gonna be. I mean i really don't think that they would all of a suddon change from RPG's to that. But i guess if they wanted to try out a new way they figured this would be the game to do it on. Think if it is changed it's because they figure it's gonna be bought no matter what it looks like Or plays like an prolly their best opertunity to try a change in direction. Because of the fact it's the demanded sequal people have been waiting years for. Unfortunatly NOBODY wants to see that happen. I don't know a single FF fan who would wanna see things go like that. And i hope they don't go that direction but we will havta wait and see.
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Or how about that guy in Cowboy Bebop? His name slips my mind, but he was in Session 11-12, the transgender guy.
Hmm, the jazz guy? The one who got messed up on the drugs? I think THAT goes a little too far :wink:
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Yeah, the one who brings Faye back to his apartment and she wakes up in a rather...revealing...position. It still fits the image though, literally. He is, based on this point, the most ideal Japanese man. :P