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Does anyone know about the PSP?
I might get one. What would really persuede me is if they had FFVII on it. There has been a rumor, but does anyone know anything about it? Some other people happen to feel the same way as me, I know. FFVII is a classic Playstation game. It would be a waste to not make it portable on the PSP! :wink:
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No plans to remake FFVII on the PSP, but FFVII: Crisis Core, one of the spin offs, will be released on it. Find what little information there is on it at http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/crisiscorefinalfantasyvii/index.html?q=final+fantasy+vii
And of course, Advent Children will be available on the PSP as a UMD movie.
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Thanks!
Well, I don't know how good Crisis Core is going to be, but if it's good, I might consider it. Meanwhile, I guess I'll just look at other things about the PSP. It looks pretty nice as of now, and it may be worth purchasing, but I'd like to see their games -- I haven't heard of any that interest me yet.
But I may just be not looking hard enough? :-?
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well i can only pray for final fantasy vii on psp but i think crisis core is gonna suck just my opinion, i think square have lost their touch
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Yeah, although Crystal Chronicals was pretty fun, it lacked the creative spark that made Squaresoft Squaresoft, back in the good ol' days...
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The good old days of Squaresoft=FFVI and FFVII. I hate all of this Square Enix crapola such as FF tactics and Crystal Chronicles.
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Uhhh...
I didn't think that Crystal Chronicles was a classic, but it wasn't quite crapola...
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I thought tactics was pre-squeenix
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I thought tactics was pre-squeenix
I'm pretty sure it was as well. Unless he's reffering to tactics advanced for gameboy advance.
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Could be... and I did hear that TA was rubbish...
Whereas I heard that Tactics was really cool, being English I haven't played it as it was never released over here.
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Chrystal Chronicles...wow...
I've seen some pure evil in my life time, but...
Congrats to Square-Enix for managing to capture all that is evil, and cram it onto a minidisc. Bravo.
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Heh... I haven't played CC, but I'm prety sure that it's better than FFX&FFX-2... Square gathered all the evil on to these discs. Then all the evil that was left was propably gathered to the CC disc :)
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Well you could alway buy the NTSC version, and play it using Epsxe.
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I think Square decided to go from being a game company to being a media company. That decision has provided the poor showings for games they've had (and financial woes). It's sort of reminiscent of Carli Fiorina and HP. (snicker). Anyhow more seriously they are now moving toward producing things like Full Metal Alchemist than games. Although games prior to 1998 (in inception) are are fairly good things post that are kind of poor. Square I think has gutted it'self of talent after they did 'Final Fantasy the Movie' this is why they needed a cash infusion and have been doing cheap trick games (IE low investment quick cash games).
I don't know what their future holds .. but yesterday is gone, and so is the original Square. A number of there good programers are working for different companies Ala Xenosaga series, or Koudelka/ Shadow Hearts type games. FF9 was largely shallow by comparison with 7 and 8 (although I still liked it!) FF10 was still reasonably good. I am hoping FFXII will be good enough to be worth buying otherwise It might be obtained used by me.
I think I qualify as a very disappointed person when it comes to Square/Squarenix products post 2000. I'm not surprised they are having problems and had to merge with Enix (Enix made some fun stuff). I think Japan's game industry has turned too much into something like Hollywood. These are just my opinions of course :D
Cyb
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Well, Hironobu's 'retirement' really seems to be what hurt them the most...
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maybe they should think up something new instead of final fantasy games all the time?
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These are just my opinions of course :D
They just happen to be mine, too.
What happened to Square, I don't know. All I know is that I will forever respect Squaresoft, but not SquareEnix. Sorry, but no games, no respect from me.
maybe they should think up something new instead of final fantasy games all the time?
I dunno. Final Fantasy ROCKS! :)
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There is an ancient saying
"People languish without a vision" it translates. Squaresoft is a company without a vision. Simply put they are trying to make money, and have no idea what the heck they exist for. In that state they will be hard pressed to make anything impressive or likeable. More simple terms they are moving forward on momentum not actually moving forward. Vagrant story was a better game than most of what they are putting out now. (It at least had a story that's intriuging).
FF 1 - 5 are based on similiar/ related stories. FF6-10 are unrelated stories. FF11 isn't final fantasy. Up until FFX they didn't release sequels and prequels and complete spin off stories. This means they are hurting for creative ideas. They've become Yet Another Game Company. SEGA is now better than Square, that's sad.
Cyb
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Simply put they are trying to make money, and have no idea what the heck they exist for.
Just like Playstation and XBOX. Always trying to make more money than the other. Seemingly nothing more.
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Again, there IS no Final Fantasy without Hironobu...so I'm really hoping the next one won't TOTALLY suck...
I don't think he retired, I say they fired him.
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Well they could have, I don't know. I don't believe they fostered a replacement within the ranks of people at Square. Maybe they should hire someone not from square and relearn how to make games. The Bouncer I've seen but it looked like it sucked, in fact apart from FF10 being an OK game pretty much all else they've released (Kingdom hearts inclusive) has been mediocre at best.
The best thing for Squenix in my view point is to search for someone to replace the man who really was the head of Square.
Ta
Cyb
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FF11 isn't final fantasy
Have you played it? If not, you'd be suprised how well it translates over. It's deeply rooted in Final Fantasy tradition, mostly 1-6, with some influences from 8-10 (Diabolos fight).
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I heard FFXII will take place in Ivalice, the suck world in Final Fantasy tactics advance :roll: Oh well...
RPGillespie
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It definately will, if you know anything about the game at all.
Ivalice actually started in FF Tactics, which was also produced by Hironobu like the other games. It's as much Final Fantasy as the other ones...
This Ivalice seems to be a mesh of the original Tactics one, and the one used in FFTA. All in all, I think it's a wonderful, adventurous setting. Fresh air from the last few games *cough*.
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from the screen shots it seems a lot more like the original tactics than the Advance.
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Personally, I think it's just another world named Ivalice, with similar tone to the Tactics ones, hence the use of the name.
As to the whole Squareenix games conversation.
I've liked the recent Final Fantasies.
It's my belief that an RPG has to be looked at on three fronts.
Story, gameplay, and graphics (Sound rather goes in with graphics, as they both pertain to the game's 'prettiness').
Any of those can Redeem the quality of a game, if impressive enough, but if they are bad enough, they can also topple it.
But when speaking of graphics quality, you have to look at what the hardware can do.
I firmly believe that EVERY Final Fantasy has had amazing graphics for it's platform. Even 1. You're hardpressed to find a game on NES that really had a smoother, cleaner, and flashier look than the original couple Final Fantasies. (I would say Mario 3 is anotherone at about the same level of polish.) Then look at the SNES era. Alright, 4 was a little weak graphically, but so were most of the first SNES games. Look at 6. For 16 bit, 2D graphics, the game is amazing. FF6 and Chrono Trigger look just as good as a lot of the 2D Playstation games. 7, 8, and 9 were some of the prettiest games on the Playstation, and X and X-2 have, quite likely, the best graphics on the PS2. 11, in my opinion, is one of the prettiest MMOs out there, as well.
But these last few go without saying, and a lot of people consider that the problem. let's look at gameplay and storyline.
Final Fantasy gameplays and story rather do follow a formula. It's a formula that works, when the right input is given.
Story formula is as follows. Big Evil wants to destroy the world. Ragtag* group of intrepid heros journey all around the world, facing conflict on all possible levels. (Man vs. Man, Man vs. Technology, Man vs. Society, Man vs. Nature, and Man vs. Self.) Eventually, at the very last level of an oversized dungeon, Big Evil is confronted by the heroes, defeated, and all in the world is right again.
It usually works out well. Conflict, being the core of the story, is what makes or breaks the story. Lets compare 7 and 8. This is where things get subjective. I personally think 7 is the much better game, and I think most of you agree, but I'm not gonna say anyone else's opinion on the matter is wrong. I'm just going to show the evidence that I base my own on.
Both stories had some big plot holes, but 7s holes are smaller, and in the background, where as a lot of 8s holes were larger, or at least, they effected the main conflict of the storyline. I know a lot of people who beat FF8 and were sitting there at the end saying "Wtf?"
The GFs and the fact that they consume memory was used as a MAJOR deus ex machina. If you aren't familiar with the term, it means "God via machine." and refers to ancient roman theatre, and a technique stolen from greek theatre, in which a god would be lowered into the scene with a crane, and the god would instantly sort out the conflict and problem. In modern use, it refers to any outside force that enters the story right at the climax right at the climax to solve the problem. (Final Fantasy 9 inverted this, and sort of gave a "Diabolus Ex Machina." Introducing the final boss 3 seconds before you fight him.) Deus Ex Machina is considered the weakest form of resolution for a conflict. In 8, the GFs just happened to stop them all from remembering that they grew up together in an orphanage, yet none of them really seemed concious of the fact that they couldn't remember their childhood. Well, I guess Squall sort of did, but it wasn't that firm... Squall never was that firm on anything except ...whatever...
Another small note about storyline.... X-2. Final Fantasy X-2 has a great story, if you enjoyed Charlies Angels. Personally, I didn't, and I couldn't really stomach more than the first chapter of X-2 because of the girl-power oozing from every polygon of the game.
As far as gameplay goes, the Final Fantasy series has always been a rather shining example, sorry FF8 fans, but I'm going to pick on it again. FF8 is one of the largest exceptions to that fact. The junction system was messy and awkward. I'm not saying that it was bad, nor impossible to learn, but one of the nice things about the final fantasy games has always been that it's not that hard for someone to pick one up and play it. I know a lot of casual gamers that had a hard time wrapping their fingers around that system. And I understand why. Junctioning GF, junctioning magic, junctioning abilities, controlling GF growth, paying attention to GF loyalty, or whatever they called it, to who they were junctioned to... There was a *lot* to that system, and quite a bit of it was unnessecary, or at least needlessly complicated.
Also, I think the gameplay of X-2 was it's biggest redeeming factor. For the first time EVER in a turn-based RPG, I felt that combat moved at a reasonable pace. I actually have had adrenaline rushes in some of the fights in that game, and it really felt like combat. I also give it HUGE props for the incorporation of in-combat class switching. Something that I know a lot of people who have for in Final Fantasy games. But a lot of those same people have turned their noses up at X-2 because it feels too much like playing dressup and watching Sailor Moon. And I can agree with that, but I still look at it from the strategic side.
But to look at X-2 as a whole, I've seen a lot of people blame it's fault on the pretty graphics. And I think that's unfair. Anything square makes is going to be pretty, they rather have the premiere 3d animators on the face of the planet. They might as well put them to good use. It would be a shame to split the talent up, when they can do things like Advent Children that blow away every other bit of 3d animation I've ever seen. Sorry Pixar and Dreamworks. The graphics are a plus for X-2, but they aren't enough to redeem it. The gameplay is very fluid and fast paced, and I love it, but it alone does not make the game great. The biggest problem is in the story writing. I liked the story of 10, I did. I really enjoyed X and it's probably my third favorite RPG on Playstation 2. (Behind Wild Arms 3 and Xenosaga 1.) But X-2 took it downhill. Yuna did not come out of her religious crisis as a better person. Moreover, after she 'lost God', she became a bubbly, dimwitted airhead. Now a story can survive with one of those (rikku), but two of them, and a half gothic jrock-styled cold bitch, pardon the french, do not lead to any really interesting character dynamics. And all teh characters, EVEN Paine, seem so genuinely nice that very little conflict comes out of the story. Moreover, what I've seen of the story doesn't seem to even remotely fit into the Final Fantasy/Jrpg formula. At least, it the parts can be put into the formula, but the equation doesn't quite balance.
But while that does make the game, all in all, sub par, it still has good gameplay (which is subjective, as not everyone looks for the same thing, but I find it fun.) and amazing graphics. To totally fault the game would be unfair.
On the topic of 11 and 12. 11 deviated very far from Final Fantasy. Yes, it's style did resemble that of the oldest games, but I still didn't feel that the game translated well into MMO format. It could have done so, but it didn't. The BIGGEST flaw I felt was the gameplay. It really feels NOTHING like playing a final fantasy. It feels like playing an MMORPG. As for 12, from what I've heard they are using 11's gameplay system. I really mourn the loss of good gameplay in the series. I've seen what happens when one tries to port MMO gameplay into a single player game.... I thought the .hack// games sucked, myself.
To make a far too long story incredibly short, I really think that the Modern Final Fantasies are just as good as the oldies, and I really think that labelling Squeenix a graphics whore and being done with is grossly unfair to the company. However, they are making some mistakes that they could avoid, but it's rediculous to say that their attention to graphical detail is the cause.
Just my two bits. If you don't agree with me, more power to ya.
~Contra~
*Ragtag is optional, but usual. However, the Light Warriors in FF1 were not ragtag at all. They were heroes, and they knew it.
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I agree that FFXI felt nothing like a FF game. If you took out the familiar Square elements like chocobo, moogles, and summons then it would be completely unrecognisable as part of the series.
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Isn't that with all FF games? If you take out Moogles, Chocobos & Summons, you just have a simple RPG. That's what makes FF.
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FFXI doesnt really seem like Final Fantasy when you start playing it...
Honestly, it kinda blows, and I stopped playing it, then got an urge to play after months...
Year later, I see why people play it. Eventually as you progress, alot of the familiar FF elements rise, and then you start to go "Ooooh"
And yeah, thats pretty much what makes Final Fantasy Final Fantasy.
It isnt traditional FF style gameplay, but at the same time, its pretty much putting you in your own FF, which is nice.
Here's the problem:
FF7 wasnt Final Fantasy. Look at everything before FF7. FF7 is the farthest thing from FF at that time, and everyone loved it.
It's kinda like going to the resturant and ordering the soup of the day, and its incredible...but it's just for that day.
So, huge swarms of people fall in love with Final Fantasy and FF7...but have no idea what Final Fantasy truely is.
Thus...now that the honeymoon's over...you got a lot of disgruntled husbands.
Just my view on it.
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I agree that Final Fantasy VII was farthest from the source that any Final Fantasy had been up to that point. I think VII was at the line. It still managed to stay close enough that it kept a lot of the charm, but it was very far removed. Final fantasy 8, then, doubled it's distance from the source, until it was no longer really a fantasy at all. It was science fiction. (Then The Spirits Within doubled THAT distance, and.... what the crap!)
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I agree that Final Fantasy VII was farthest from the source that any Final Fantasy had been up to that point. I think VII was at the line. It still managed to stay close enough that it kept a lot of the charm, but it was very far removed.
True, but just because it was "at the line" doesn't mean it wasn't awesome! :wink:
How I interpret "at the line" is that it was close enough to be the Final Fantasy we all know and love, and far enough to be original and different.
Therefore, IMHO, "at the line" = perfect!
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Final fantasy 8, then, doubled it's distance from the source, until it was no longer really a fantasy at all. It was science fiction.
Exactly! I myself didn't like FFVIII, not really because it was further away from the FF series (Hell, Im one of the millions who entered the FF series at FFVII, I had no clue what FF truely was!), but just because of the overall plot.
Building off of that theory, Square tried to redirect FF back on track to its original roots with FFIX, and although I myself enjoyed the gameplay side of it, the story was pretty lame when I was playing it, and I dont remember it at all because of it.
So, in reality, a lot of people are going to be unhappy, really because they're expecting FF7-style stories and themes out of every single Final Fantasy that comes around.
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FF8 is the most unique out of all the FFs because it focuses the most on romance. It's a love story, as opposed to the typical 'Spiritual Epic' tag the series usually carries.
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FF8 is the most unique out of all the FFs because it focuses the most on romance. It's a love story, as opposed to the typical 'Spiritual Epic' tag the series usually carries.
"Unique" doesn't always mean good.
Besides, I don't play a video game for the romance factor. I play RPGs because of the 'Spiritual Epic' tag! And, of course, the 'Spiritual Epic' storyline must be good. But I'm not saying FF8 was bad, just that I liked VII better.
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I never said I didn't think 7 was awesome. 7 is my absolute favorite game. No contest. It's the only game I'm not bored with after 20+ playthroughs.
As far as 8 being a love story... I personally thought it was a very weak love story. *shrugs* Just me.
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Im glad Im not the only one who thought that :P
FF8 had about as strong of a love story as FF7, FF9, and FFX :lol:
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No, I mean the love story was the focus.
Also, it wasn't just about Rinoa and Squall, it was also about Laguna and...what'sherface.
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To be honest, I feel that all the FF games after 7 got progressively weaker, but the picked up with 10, and fell down with X-2 and the monstrosity that is 11 (imo)
7 for me was the first FF game I played, and will alwa7ys be the RPG I can go back to, and still get that amazing feel when you complete it....
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I started with 6 on the good ol' SNES, definately one of the best games ever.
7 is my absolute favourite though. * was okay, it was worth playing once. but thats it, in no way would I want to go back and play it again, but nor am I disapointed that I played though once.
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I also began with FF7. It's for sure one of my favourite games. I had never played an RPG (I was a fan of graphical adventures until then) but 5 minutes of gameplay were enough to make me fall in love with this game. then i played FF6 and it turned out to be even better. Then FF8 appeared and i found it... boring. Well, maybe I've been a bit unfair with this game, but it was a major disapoint. Not a big problem. By that time, I already had a pretty large list of RPGs to play. Then FF9 was a good surprise. It was childish and the story kidna crappy, sure, but it was pretty fun so I'm happy I played it.
I haven't been able to play FF10 or 10-2 yet, but they don't look very charming (and 10-2 seems to be a complete mess, acording to what I heard).
About the movie, Spirit Within... ughh. better not to talk about it.
Will Square surprise us once more with FF12 and with advent of Children? Well, lets hope so.
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Will Square surprise us once more with FF12 and with advent of Children? Well, lets hope so.
We can hope, but that's all we can do. :isee:
I am just disappointed at Squaresoft in general. When I was younger, I got a bunch of Squaresoft SNES games to play. Most of them were very fun! They didn't make that many, but... I enjoyed them, even if they were old. Then, Gamecube came out with Crystal Chronicles. Maybe my expectations were too high, but CC sucked. I actually think it was average, but considering how Squaresoft was, SquareEnix just blew that game. Then I discovered FFVII, the pinnacle of all good games, and wondered. I still wonder. What happened to Squaresoft?