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Miscellaneous Forums => Archive => Topic started by: Josephfelicewilson on 2005-07-10 19:09:39
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Make it possible...
If we all put a little work into this project, everyone on this forum gives a little or bigger helping hand. Then we can create FINAL FANTASY VII 2D remake. I'm not sure if I am the only fan that wants a Final Fantasy VII 2D remake but if I am not then this would be great to remake it in 2d in my opinion. I'm not sure what 2d engine we should use though, RPG Maker 2000- And Rpg Maker 2003 always looked like a sloppy 2d engine. Btw, if I am wrong then lets just see, anyone else had this idea? Lets make it happen if we can.
And if anyone is afraid of getting sued be square-enix/squaresoft, then we will put a intro or addy or something that says don't sue us squaresoft we give you the credit of making these awesome characters etc btw, we just wanted to make a game for the fans and if you sue us then you'd get no money anyways because none of us are rich, so it's pointless. blah blah blah...
I personally don't think squaresoft and square-enix will give a shit, because why sue the fans? Were the people who put money in there damn pockets for christ sakes. :lol:
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oh,really (http://www.xsorbit2.com/users/chronotrigger/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1096576095)?
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Again, that wasn't a game, and they got into trouble with Square because they made themselves sound like (through really bad press releases) they were trying to make a commercial game, when in fact they were trying to generate publicity by releasing a multi-platform tech demo.
That's the short version. See my post in General for the long one.
Also, AFAIK, it's already been done with RPG Maker...several times. Hell, if I remember correctly, there's even a CALCULATOR version.
RPGMaker is horrible anyway...it doesn't scale!
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How can squaresoft sue someone who doesn't have any money? Thats fucking stupid, and if squaresoft/squarenix wants to attack its fans they we should boycott there games and tell them to fuck off. Excuse my language
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CT:R appeared as if they were trying to make a commercial game for-profit, a blatant copyright infringement.
They didn't get sued, they got a Cease and Desist order.
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CT:R appeared as if they were trying to make a commercial game for-profit, a blatant copyright infringement.
That's just the thing; last time I checked, the words "commercial", "game" or "for-profit" don't really enter into the picture when it comes to intellectual property, strictly legally speaking (of course, the choice of legal action is slightly different). The thing that matters is only that it's a new creative work using somebody else's ideas. Someone knowledgeable please clarify on this (and by knowledgeable I don't mean people who think they have a good idea of how things should be, rather someone more in touch with reality).
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Hmm..
I had this whole rant going, but, mweh. I'll keep it short. (looks at new rant. So much for "short" =P)
Look at 8 bit theater. Look at cover bands. Look at fan fiction and fan art. Look at pop art (Soup cans, anyone?). Look at Mad magazine. Hell, look at my damned website. Borowing, re-using, satire, and imitation have been long protected by US law. Now, there's exceptions, but basically, if someone were to do this (and this applies to the reactor reloaded project, as well), you could NOT do the following:
*Claim that you invented the intelectual proerty.
*profit from this little venture.
That's it. The chronodemo guys were falsy accused of the second item, and i think someone at Squeenix made the mistake of thinking they were doing the first, as well.
Also, i should note that over at the adventchildren.net forums, there's someone whos been seriously pimping a 2d AC based game for months. And ac.net is the one site Square keeps a bead on, if anything. They've even had contact with ac.net on numerous occasions about their content. But they havn't seemd to have a problem with the ac2d game. Of course, it seems low quality, and if any mroe than 100 peopel dl it (for free, obviously), I'll be surprised. So it's not a threat to square at all.
The Chrono demo project, (if it HAD been a ripoff-remake like Square thought) was a popular project with a big following, an square thought they were trying to make money. So obviously that's a big fat NO!
I think it is also worth mentioning that nuklearpower.com (home of 8-bit theater, the most popular ff sprite comic out there) makes money from banner ads, yet Square has never even touched the webmaster of the site. Why? My guess is a) he's not directly ripping them off, only borrowing thier character designs and general ff story as homage and b) Square would have 10,000+ fans kicking at their front doors to leave Mr. Clevinger alone. You dont wanna piss off THAT many fans.
On the reverse side is my ff7 site (I'm not spamming, honest). I take screenshots from the game, and put them up with the game script, along with several of the games files (like midis and a few movies). And, yes, i give square full credit for what they've done: created the game. Now, i'm sure ff7-u is below Square's radar (I think i get like, 10 unique hits a day =P), but even if it wasn't, they still couldn't/wouldn't touch me because i am NOT making any money off the site (no ads, yay!), the text was typed out by me (I dont just copy fromt he game, about half the text is flavor text or description), and all the screenshots are edited. So even though, in the final analysis, i'm putting Square's intelectual property out there for anyone to see for free, it's the fact that it's a totaly different media, i'm not claiming i made ff7, plus the no profit thing that basically means I'm safe, too.
So what I'm saying is, yes, you can do this. However, Squeenix can dish out a S&D notice, as is their right to do. Whether you choose to fight it or not would be your decision. Mind you that they could bury you in paper work, you'd have to pay all sorts of legal fees...
But like i said, keep it free, make sure you're upfront about intellectual property ownership, and keep it discreet, and you won't have a problem.
[edit] appologies to qhimm: i realize this is a little less on the "Knowledgeable" side, but i think citing real life references kinda justifes the point of my post =)
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Just a brief note that in the case of CT: Resurrection, they weren't just borrowing bits of content, they were using the whole package (just redone/remixed/redrawn), right down to music and logo. At least for the logo, that constitutes trademark infringement as well, which Square would have to go after or they risk losing the trademark. It wasn't "just" a simple misunderstanding, I'd say it was deliberate and probably even necessary, considering the scale of the project's publicity.
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http://img278.echo.cx/img278/1176/candd4xy.jpg
Boycott SquareEnix, they are assholes. People aren't even selling there games, they are only fanmade games and they even give credit to squareenix for creating the characters,storyline... SquareEnix is filled with assholes, and I hope they all rot in greedy hell. YOU hear me SQUAREENIX? I would punch everysingle one of you scrawny bastards in the face if you came to my country or state. Bastards. SquareEnix is worse then the Riaa, atleast the Riaa is just fighting to make money... It's not like people who make fanbased games are stealing if they give credit where credit is do. But obviously are country called America enjoys fucked up laws.
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Josephfelicewilson: Calm down, immediately.
- Alhexx
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sorry about that, it just gets me mad sometimes. :evil:
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Giving Square-Enix the right to control who can use their creations for own ends isn't what I call "fucked up laws". Would you personally want to see someone get famous by developing a game using all of your ideas, which you yourself originall created and sold, and not even have a say in it? Sure these guys weren't in it for profit, but a) they'd certainly get undue associative credit from Square's property by people associating CT with someone other than Square (trademark issues), and b) releasing such a thing would limit Square's own possibilities of doing the same. And since they're the owners, the should arguably have a say in it. I'm reasonably sure you'd agree if we were talking about your own works.
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No I don't agree, Sorry. Greed is not a good thing. Sorry
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http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.htm
Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.
CT:R was all done from scratch, and the "research" part would work for them on the Tech Demo issue, showing off a few remade scenes from the game.
Also Qhimm, the way you replied to my post, 8-Bit Theatre WOULD also be infringement (especially since it uses many of the original sprites), as would any comic such as Penny-Arcade, VGCats, Mac Hall...etc.
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I almost *cried* tears of joy when I saw the trailer to their CT remake. And of course, it was difficult for me to prevent myself from throwing a temper tantrum when they were asked to discontinue the project. :z I'm sure they had already put so much work into it... I looked truly beautiful.
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Thats why you do projects like this secretly, and thn when its finished, post it at a million sites so Square will have a harder time tracking all of them, and by the time they do track them all down, there will be tons of torrents to download them from different people. Then again, if it was secret it would be hard to get support from across the web. BTW Although I used to like RPGMaker2000 its really a crappy engine. only two buttons: spacebar and esc. and unless you are like a magi, the battle system would be like earthbound's. It would be easier to buy or write your own to fit the needs.
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No I don't agree, Sorry. Greed is not a good thing. Sorry
So if you were working on a big project and sold it. then 3 years later, someone came and resold it, and enhanced it. Would you be happy about that?
Somone else is getting profit for all te time you spent into the original product.
Now lets link it to this.
CT was released in what... 1992 was it?
And the remake was going for about 2 years or so I beleive (Im not sure on the exact timespan)
9 years on, and these people create what seems to be, at a first glance, a complete 3D remake of the game.
Now its obvious that SE should have possibly contacted the owner of the site before hand to find EXACTLY what they were doing, but it appears they got a bit CaD happy and just sent one of those out.
The fact remains they were, I suppose, stealing intellectual property...
Shame really, cause I was actually looking forward to it being released.
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I don't support evil organizations. You all support shinra, and shinra is not good. Shinra is alot like SquareEnix/Riaa/and anything else that only cares about money. Evil they are. They must be destroyed, besides SquareEnix hasn't made any good rpgs in my personal opinion. The true Squaresoft died after Final Fantasy 7 and possibly 8, I haven't played much of 8 though.
Edit: I think we should close this topic. Do I have powers to close it? Or do I need an admin to do it. Cause its just going to be a bs topic, of us communicating our opinions. I didn't want it to go this far. I just don't want to get banned from this forum because I may say something upsetting or something bad. Cause I think this forum is cool and has all the stuff I dreamed about.
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Evil Shinra !!!
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Cause its just going to be a bs topic, of us communicating our opinions.
Because God forbid, communicating opinions is a bad, bad thing.
Also Qhimm, the way you replied to my post, 8-Bit Theatre WOULD also be infringement (especially since it uses many of the original sprites), as would any comic such as Penny-Arcade, VGCats, Mac Hall...etc.
It WOULD be, without the fair use-clause.
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Well, again, CT:R was made from scratch. They didn't resell or enhance anything.
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Using "only" story, characters and art from Square. All of which are exactly the "particular way an author has expressed himself" - which the Copyright Office's site talks about.
They don't have to resell or enhance, it's about as copyright infringement as you can get.
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Who ever said that the team quit developing CT:R? Maybe they are still working on it, but in secrecy, you never know... Besides what are they going to do with all of their work so far? Delete it b/c square told them to? No, I think there is still hope. Did luke turn to the dark side b/c Vader and the emperor told him to?
--RPGillespie
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Does it matter if they are still working on it? They could in no way release it even if it was/is complete anymore.
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Or, they can lie and say someone hacked there pc and stole all there stuff and etc... And released it... Theres many ways. Or be descrete about it and upload it to a torrent or emule or some kind of shared program and make some bs about it and say that it got accidently uploaded. Many ways. Use the knowledge of the force. :o
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Joseph, you're wierd.
Though I'm suspecting that's how the GTA SA "Sex mod" got released. I'd be williong to bet the developers purposly leaked it =P
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Or, they can lie and say someone hacked there pc and stole all there stuff and etc... And released it...
Except that if you've done something serious enough that the FBI or whatever equivalent security organization wants you (alleged damages over X dollars), they're going to check ISP logs, grab your PC and find out the truth via forensics. I don't actually know how mad the company would be if you weaseled around a cease and desist letter, but I can guess. Isn't it irrelevant if you don't get a C&D until it's too late if you *knew* you were going to get one by holding back the release? I know I'm not going to try it.
Or be descrete about it and upload it to a torrent or emule or some kind of shared program and make some bs about it and say that it got accidently uploaded.
Unfortunately those programs are not very discrete. Bit Torrent broadcasts your IP to the tracker and anyone you connect to in the swarm. Last I heard Emule still accidentally broadcasts IP addresses (and potentially dangerous data) to anyone who wants to listen.
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Since Joseph is gone now, we can talk about the FF/ new engine thing here, I think.
I have an idea.
When we're going to re-write the FF7 engine, we should sum up all the things we want to implement. All we want to improve. All new features we want to add. So that we have a concrete concept of what we are aiming at.
Then, someone should write a letter to square, not an email, a real piece of paper with black int on it. We should tell them all that stuff I listed above, so they get the idea of what we want to do.
Maybe they will give us the permission.
I know the chance of getting a permission is lower than beeing hit by the lightning, (or "Ride the Lightning" as Metallica would say :P ) but I think it may be worth a try.
At least we will know what they think of it.
What do you think?
- Alhexx
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I think we would need a strong argument to convince them. Even a "we're going to pay you royalties" would be better than nothing, but I think that even a "we're going to pay you royalties" would make our chances still get lower than being hit twice by a lightning.
Just my two cents. I'm sure we wouldn't have this problem remaking Warcraft 2 Engine :(
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"We will pay you royalties" would be an almost ironical statement as the project would likely be non-profit.
However if this ever gets off the ground I would happily pen and write the letter (us canadians are good at writing angry or demanding letters :wink: )
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I think it would sound a bit dumd considerating our current situation, but definitely not ironical. Many serious projects with educational purposes or other non-profit projects that uses third-partner copyrights pay them royalties, it's a common practice here. A non-profit project using their properties is not much different from a comercial project using their properties. The difference is that a comercial project will suffer a much heavier attack, due to an obvious abuse of copyrights I doubt any company would tolerate.
Seems that the FF7 Engine idea is running for some long time. I'm all for it, and would gladly do any graphics/layouts if necessary. I just think that the project would need first and foremost organization, and a list of volunteers in order to split the tasks.
Edit: IMO, ironical is Eidos publishing an unnoficial patch in their website, direct linking to the author's host. There are many things very wrong with this (I don't think I even need to coment) but at least they were minding the welfare of the players. John Carmack has once done this too, though he has gone a bit further and implemented the patch in the engine. I think that Squaresoft would instead complain that the Chocobo Patch is illegal ;)
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I don't see how a new Engine would run into any legal issues, so as long as the CD protection is still in place and it still uses the original (or most of) the original game files.
I mean, that's usually what allows more YARE/ROSE servers to run.
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It's simple, KojiroTakenashi. I will quote Square-Enix:
All game materials, including, but not limited to, their design, text, graphics, screen shots, files are copyrighted by SQUARE ENIX Co., Ltd. All rights reserved. Any other use of materials of our games -- including any commercial use, reproduction for purposes other than that noted above, modification, distribution, or republication -- without the prior written permission of SQUARE ENIX is strictly prohibited. No materials of our games may be used on any other product, published, or otherwise performed in public. For any further inquiries regarding copyrights, give our main office line a call at (310) 846-0345 and the receptionist will direct you toward the proper contacts within the company.
Using "most of" the original game files for anything would be illegal, and a little pointless I think, since we would be redoing the whole thing. Making the engine using anything of the previous game, like their names, design, the system etc would also fall within this description.
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We should tell them all that stuff I listed above, so they get the idea of what we want to do.
Maybe they will give us the permission.
What are you planning to do when they don't give it?
Ignorance is not a valid defense in court, but by not directly asking you are giving them the opportunity to ignore you, if they so wish.
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I don't think we need to worry about legal matters TOO much. Afterall, things like the hand patch mod, the high-res mod, the high-poly Cloud replacement mod, the battle-field conversion mod, and even LGP tools is a "violation" of the EULA, in that we are modifying the game, which they say is fohibited.
Then again, recreating a game is a whole 'nother can of worms than tweaking existing game data and inter-swapping files with eachother...
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and even LGP tools is a "violation" of the EULA, in that we are modifying the game, which they say is fohibited.
There is no EULA for the PC version is there? I cant see it on the installation program, nor in the manual...
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Well, the implied one that Elentor posted. And i think it DOES have a small eula.. but it's not really one, more of a "disclaimer" I don't even think it makes you agree.
I'd double-check, but fraggit, i cant find my install cd >=O
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I don´t know how it´s in other countries, but in Germany the situation is like this:
Shop buys game from the distributor (Square direct or another, at ff8 it may be Eidos)
You buy the game from the shop, so you have only a contract with the shop, not with Square or the publisher...
So you can ignore the EULA...
You can do with the software as long as you don´t break the copyright rules of your country...
This includes:
don´t make copies of the game an sell it (or using P2P...),
don´t take parts of the game and sell it under your name...
I don´t know if its illegal to rev. eng. it.
But i don´t think if you write a new Engine, and you can download it for free, Square can anything do against it..
They would have no financial losses, especially because these are old games...
Even they make a Remake, everyone would still buy it...
A Example:
Would it be illegal if I own a book, scan every page, send it through my OCR, and print it out with another font?
I don´t think that this could break a copyright law, because i own it, and i can do with it whatever i want, only the local copyright laws say what i cant do with it. If i don´t have the right to print the book out with another font, then it wouldnt be allowed to also write notes into the book or paint some drawings into the book...
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Would it be illegal if I own a book, scan every page, send it through my OCR, and print it out with another font?
I don´t think that this could break a copyright law, because i own it, and i can do with it whatever i want, only the local copyright laws say what i cant do with it. If i don´t have the right to print the book out with another font, then it wouldnt be allowed to also write notes into the book or paint some drawings into the book...
Welcome to the glorious world of computers, where people are hard at work trying to make precisely things like that illegal. Or, if you're less lucky and live in the wrong country, those things already are illegal. Rule of thumb: metaphors from "real life" make poor legal defense in intellectual property law. Also the law doesn't include the wording "if the copyright holder loses money", nor should you trust the average gamer to be able to properly judge the value of the rights to a game like FF7, or be able to determine when someone is losing money in relation to said rights.
If things were as easy as claiming they don't lose money on such loose grounds, piracy would be totally accepted by companies since simply copying a program still leaves the original disc fully intact, so nothing has been stolen and they "haven't lost any money". The argument that Square-Enix wouldn't lose any money by allowing a fan-coded remake to exist is about as well-founded.
There are at least three good reasons for Square not to let you do a remake (not even by silently ignoring it):- The FF7 rights are worth gold, yet Square isn't getting any money from people using them.
- The remake could generate bad PR (for whatever reason), destroying Square's own market for other FF7-related items.
- Square would probably have to endorse the project, or risk losing their trademarks. And if they're willing to invest in a remake, they're not going to let some kids be in charge of it; they'll do it themselves.[/list:u]
Still, not asking is going to get you a lot further than asking. WIth 99.9% probability though, nothing is going to get you all the way, i.e. you will be shut down once you reach "critical publicity".
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Qhimm: I didn't think about your 3 points... especially the 2nd one.
But what I was aiming at is not asking to get a simple permission to write an own engine, but cooperate with Square. I was not going to make an real independent FF7 engine, but just something as "doing the dirty work" for Square. So we develop it, and they publish it under their copyright. That's what I was thinking about.
- Alhexx
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I don´t know how it´s in other countries, but in Germany the situation is like this:
Shop buys game from the distributor (Square direct or another, at ff8 it may be Eidos)
You buy the game from the shop, so you have only a contract with the shop, not with Square or the publisher...
So you can ignore the EULA...
This, coupled with Oktoberfest, Blind Guardian, and gothic girls is what make me so much want to go to Germany after travelling to Japan...
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Well, if you leave the original files intact, and you only write a new engine, i don´t think Square can do anything against it (maybe they can close your Website, since you used the words "Final Fantasy" or have a member on the forums called Cloud ).
I don´t know how its in other countries, i posted only my opinion :-)
And now to the piracy :
If anyone copy his game-cd´s and spread it through P2P or something, this is sure illegal, because you don´t have the right to do it...
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Well, if you leave the original files intact, and you only write a new engine, i don´t think Square can do anything against it (maybe they can close your Website, since you used the words "Final Fantasy" or have a member on the forums called Cloud ).
I don´t know how its in other countries, i posted only my opinion :-)
Uh-huh, just like stealing a car is okay, proved you use the original keys instead of hotwiring it. All these arguments are based on the assumption that doing something that is "slightly less illegal" is okay.
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I don't want to sound too harsh or like a jackass in this post, but I want to state something I learned on the my law classes, but it's not like I needed them to know.
If it is illegal, then it is illegal. Period
All arguments have already been discussed here, and they are only favorable to square-enix. As such, I would like to set clear something, and there is no "perhaps", "but" or "maybe..." on these:
1) Using the Final Fantasy name is illegal.
2) Don't matter if the project is for non-profit, educational, small or whatever, this won't stop it from being illegal.
3) Using any of the original characters, their script, their names, their designs on purpose, and we are doing on purpose, is illegal. We can "cheat" this by changing names, but this is just a legal hole.
4) Everything illegal, no matter how futile it may seem, is still illegal.
5) These laws may change from country to country. I don't know if what my german friend remains true, but while there are countries whose international policy is quite closed (RIAA can't sue a russian for pirating mp3s, *AFAIK*), most countries have signed agreements to stablish an international law. These same rules apply to Japan, US and Brazil, and with 80% of chance, on your country.
6) Using or modifying the original files, and let me repeat: the use of the original files for anything other than having the original FF7 played, or the modifying of it at all is illegal and this includes, but is not limited to:
6.1) The Chocobo Patch, which received a "green card" from Eidos because they actually won't care about this game anymore.
6.2) Any tool ever written to extract or see the files of FF7.
6.3) Any tool ever written to edit the files of FF7.
6.a) If we are writting our own engine, using their files would be kinda pointless.. imo.
7) FF7 is the intellectual property of Square-Enix. Not ours. Period.
Well, with these things clear, the production of an engine have 3 possible outcomes:
1) Don't really caring about it at all and doing on secret.
2) Moving every file to a server somewhere in a country with a closed international policy, making the official author of the project someone from this country, and letting the rest not having any "official" contact with the project.
3) Asking license to Square-Enix in the most strategic and well thought manner possible.
Now, an analysis of these options.
The first option is really the easiest. Why don't Square-Enix close the sites of Qhimm, Ficedula, Alhexx and others? I really doubt they have *never* seen these sites. It's because it won't matter. Not that they would care, they can just mass-send a generic C&D e-mail anyway, but I don't think this is costing them any money (like most fan sites which release OSTs to download. Each OST downloaded is an OST less bought).
The second option while morally illegal, would not allow, as far as I know, let Square-Enix do anything about it, if the right country is choosen. This is the same strategy as MANY politicians use to send their money, or that many mp3 sites use in order to get a complete and full imunity from RIAA. And keep in mind they are far bigger than Squaresoft.
The third option is the most "right", and at the same time the one with less chances of success but, if suceeded, we would have no legal barriers and this would ease a lot the work. Writting the letter to send them would be a full-scale militar operation.
That is it. I might have missed something. But please people, don't discuss what is illegal or not. If it messes with their product, then it is, simple.
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god points Elentor if it is illegal it is illegal,but it's the degree of illegalness
but anyway alhexx cooperating with square would be quite good and if the let us do their dirty work and it stays under their lisence and trademark and release it on their website .etc .It would be non-profit
for us or them, so i think it would be a little chanse this would work
But anyway I hope it will get solved.
My english is't that great I know
tyranN
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-_- Please dont ressurect dead topics.
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hahaha i was on that team. and we (the team) knew it was going to happen sooner or later. but we stopped as soon as they sent the letter.
i wouldnt call them assholes or anything, in truth, they are protecting their investment.
Look at it from this point of view:
While as fans, we had no intention of slighting squeenix or the chrono-trigger name. we couldnt possably hope to please every fan, or have the same quality control that square enix do. and because of that, we cant guarentee a product (even if its free, its still a product) that is acceptable by every fan's standards. so we could actually make square enix or chrono-trigger as a label, look bad.
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well - I know some other projects creating fan-games of still running games - similar engine, same characters, ... but there is a small difference: they are even supported (more or less) by the creators of the original games - because they asked beforehand.
I don't think you have anything to fear if someone here writes an email asking for permission to create a FF VII 2D game - you wouldn't even need to mention any Forum/Homepage/etc - as you could say - if you get permission, you will create a site for it.
As I see it - they shouldn't have bothered about CT:R - if they were asked beforehand. - I think they just don't like something of their own being used behind their backs...
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if your plannin on making ffVII 2D using rm2k3 I can definetly help u
cause i got some experience.
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A) Don't use Phoenix Downs on long-gone topics, and
b) http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?t=5209 Change your damn, stupid, wholy unoriginal name, k thnx bai =)
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no i like Sephiroth it's a hell of a lot better than yours
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sephiroth266, uh, considering how dead the topic was, maybe you could gather enough clues to figure out that we are not planning a Final Fantasy VII remake in 2D.
For more clues you could have actually read past the mentally-challenged first post.
+1 Warnable
Using a Sephiroth name.
+1 Warnable.
no i like Sephiroth it's a hell of a lot better than yours
Typing like an idiot.
+1 Warnable.
Flinging.
+1 Warnable.
Yeah, you don’t need to be hanging around these boards.
After you reply to my post you will say a few more things out of anger and spite and either get a warning or a ban.
Soon after that your anger will go out of control and you will be banned if you weren’t already.
Have a nice day.
Oh, and by the way, no, your name is not a hell of a lot nicer than anyone’s.
And you’re exactly the reason why.
Thanks to people such as yourself, I now see “Sephiroth†as nothing but a spoiled-brat 14-year-old with no imagination.
You make the name “Sephiroth†look bad.
Sephiroth used to be a cool character from a cool video game.
Thanks for turning him into nothing more than a laughable joke.
L. Spiro
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I believe the CT:R team is still working on it, but only for portfolio use. The final works will never be scene by the public.
Its either the resurrection team, or the other CT remake team.