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Miscellaneous Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sad Jari on 2005-10-01 09:31:38
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This should go under Site Development but since you apparently have to be a moderator to discuss about it these days... perhaps someone should change the forum description? It's not much of a site development if people can't post new topics there. Oh mighty moderators, feel free to work for your money and move this there. :lol:
Yes... I was the one who suggested that mods should be anonymous. Now I take it back. Because frankly... you new mods - except for mirex - you suck ass and that's the truth. I'm very disappointed with you. There's no way I would suggest giving you the protection of anonymity, if you handle yourself this badly. Grrr.
One of the reasons for me writing this is that nobody else will. Qhimm - well, I don't know what he thinks, he might be very happy with you - wouldn't have the heart to do it, even if he happened to agree with me. Rest of you wouldn't have the balls to do it.
Alhexx, oh Alhexx, where art thou? I did make fun of your comment of "being here" just for this reason. Granted that there haven't been that much to moderate, but you did say that you are here. It doesn't really seem like it.
Caddberry, you know that I have strong antipathy towards you. I tend to do that when people attack me. But this is more than that; you are erratic, you set bad example by spamming, you set bad example by typing or maybe I should say punctuation, and sometimes you come off as being on a power trip.
Nori... you disappointed me most of all. -_- Perhaps because I had such high hopes for you - I did consider suggesting you as a moderator way before June, actually.
Yet you did the one thing no moderator should do. I know that Qhimm doesn't agree with me, but "I leave it in your hands" (IIRC) does not mean "Abuse your power, please". Up to that point I had been the only moderator to abuse my power and I just moved that one topic from the Admin-forum. You used your powers for a personal attack and that should be never done, no matter what the circumstances. If there is a personal problem, you ask a 3rd party, an admin in this case, to deal with it. Or at least argue on a level ground - I never used my powers against Rubicant, for example.
You should be ashamed of yourself, grown woman, acting like a 5 year old. :evil: If I didn't believe so strongly that you can be a really good moderator, I would have raised hell about it long before.
Come on people, shape up! At the current pace I would be a better moderator than you three combined, and that is just sad.
Consider yourself chastised... and get back to work.
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I notice that I'm not mentioned. :-P
Truth be told, I am way too busy with other things at the moment to read every post here anymore. And the Game Tweaking forum is way too busy. If you (anyone, not just Jari) see a post that you think needs moderator attention, feel free to PM me about it.
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I notice that I'm not mentioned. :-P
Do you feel like a new moderator? :P
Yeah, yeah, I know that you are a new admin. I also think that you are doing a fine job.
You know, you kinda make me proud. I was the person who suggested you as a moderator in the first place. 8) Or did I suggest that you should have more responsibility? Darn, can't remember. Anyway, it was back when I told Qhimm for the first time that I don't want to do it - in private, almost three years ago I think. But no more of that now.
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Oh right, I didn't see that word "new" in there. :-P
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Hehe I'm in the plus ? Well I still think that all this is only matter of opinion. ;) In fact I haven't seen many opportunities to mod.
Although you are right that admin rights should not be abused for personal fights, which I witnessed few times.
And also I think that your argument against Nori is kinda personall too.
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Jari dishes it out.
Nice to see you back Jari.
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Hehe I'm in the plus ? Well I still think that all this is only matter of opinion. ;) In fact I haven't seen many opportunities to mod.
Which might be the reason I didn't mention you. :P It's the same with all small forum mods, it's hard to see how they are doing because usually they don't have to do that much. But at least you haven't done anything wrong. :)
And also I think that your argument against Nori is kinda personall too.
Yes and no. Did it hurt me? Great deal. Have I forgiven? Long time ago. She should know that too, if she actually reads PMs from me. Trust me, I don't hold grudges against my friends. Nor will I give up on my friends that easily. Other people... well, that's a different matter.
But no, the reason I mention it here is not personal. In fact this surely doesn't improve my chances of getting her to talk to me again. But someone has to say it. It was out of line and I'm actually more concerned about what it did to her credibility as a moderator. I know what I would do if I was in her shoes, but I won't start giving advice because she surely won't take it from me.
Nice to see you back Jari.
Thank you. I have to be honest and say that it might not be a long visit. Frankly... it hurts too much.
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I have to be honest and say that it might not be a long visit.
Very sad to hear. Always nice to see someone willing to express his opinions, even if I don't agree with them sometimes.
Honestly though, not alot has been going on besides moving help-me threads from General. Maybe I just havent seen anything worthy of criticism, except I have seen that Cadberry thing you mentioned. I wouldn't be so hard on them, not until the next big blowup :wink:
Something's BOUND to happen to stirr everything up again, its way overdue it seems.
Kinda hard to judge everyone on how well people are doing when there's nothing really major to be done yet :-?
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I wouldn't be so hard on them, not until the next big blowup :wink:
It would be bit late by then, considering that their presence is supposed to prevent such things.
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Jari, I have already said that I would leave you alone, not speaking to you, or having anything to do with you.
I would appreciate it if you would do the same for me.
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Jari, I have already said that I would leave you alone, not speaking to you, or having anything to do with you.
Oh, (http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?p=62282#62282) really (http://forums.qhimm.com/viewtopic.php?p=60583#60583)?
But more to the point, is criticism of staff verboten here? Because you do hold a certain position here. In fact, you wanted that position. If you want to see criticism addressed to moderator Caddberry as addressed to your person, that is your choice.
That 'wanted' is why I am way more strict than usual with all of you. You are volunteers. You wanted to do this job. Do it, then. If you want to just gloat with your titles, go do it in some other forum.
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Was I speaking to you in those posts? No I wasn't. I was just adding to the discussion, but I specifically said nothing to you. I'll still discuss topics on this forum with all the other members, but as I said before, I'll have no direct interaction with you.
If you want to see criticism addressed to moderator Caddberry as addressed to your person, that is your choice.
Criticism I can take, but I'd rather you not say anything about me publicly. If you have a problem with how I handle things file a complaint with someone else, and they can let me know.
When you write about me publicly on the forum, I feel a need to defend myself. I think anyone would, but my doing so would probably start an argument.. That would go against what I said earlier, just like this post is doing right now.
In fact, you wanted that position.
I told Qhimm I'd take a position to help. I already administrate another forum, but the point was made that extra help was needed. I said something like "I don't know how much I'll be around to help, but if you would like me to be a moderator I will."
So Jari, again I'll say please leave me alone, and any problem with me you have let another moderator know. I'm sure they will inform me.
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Was I speaking to you in those posts? No I wasn't.
Did you say speaking? I thought that you said "...having anything to do with you.".
Criticism I can take, but I'd rather you not say anything about me publicly. If you have a problem with how I handle things file a complaint with someone else, and they can let me know.
Oh, it's just public criticism. Sure, I can see the logic of not being allowed to criticise people who hold a public position in public. They are not responsible to that public they serve, or anything...
When you write about me publicly on the forum, I feel a need to defend myself. I think anyone would, but my doing so would probably start an argument.. That would go against what I said earlier, just like this post is doing right now.
Wait a sec, let me get this straight; you are saying that I can't criticise you in public because you fear that you defending yourself would start an argument and you don't want to have "anything to do with me".
Can I use that same argument whenever I want? Because it is really handy - "I don't want to have anything to do with you, so please don't argue my point of view".
In fact, you wanted that position.
I told Qhimm I'd take a position to help. I already administrate another forum, but the point was made that extra help was needed. I said something like "I don't know how much I'll be around to help, but if you would like me to be a moderator I will."
So... you did not want it? That seems highly unlikely, considering that you offered to do it.
If you would bother to read that topic again, you would notice how I already demonstrated that what you meant was "Please give me a title, please please".
Or like you so eloquently put it in that other topic:
It's not about a title for me at all. To prove that I'd take back my other title it wouldnt matter to me.
My point exactly.
But perhaps much more important is this;
If anyone thinks they can make a difference, let me know and I'll make you a moderator. I'm tired of cleaning up this mess, if you people are interested in this place as anything else than a random crap dump then maybe you should start actually working for it.
Personally I think that if a person replies to such post, saying that he wants to moderate he means that he really wants to make a difference. And frankly, that's not happening here.
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Was I speaking to you in those posts? No I wasn't.
Did you say speaking? I thought that you said "...having anything to do with you.".
I'm sorry. I can't help it that we inhabit the same forum. I told you that I wouldn't say anything to you directly. Having anything to do with you means the same thing to me. I told you I'd have nothing to do with you. Just because you create a thread doesn't make it yours. I can have a discussion in any thread with other people while ignoring you.. It's quite simple.. I'd been doing a good job of it.
Criticism I can take, but I'd rather you not say anything about me publicly. If you have a problem with how I handle things file a complaint with someone else, and they can let me know.
Oh, it's just public criticism. Sure, I can see the logic of not being allowed to criticise people who hold a public position in public. They are not responsible to that public they serve, or anything...
No.. Just you.. I'd rather you left me alone, just as I'd leave you alone. I'll take public criticism from others. I'd have just liked it if you would have turned in an anonymous request to another mod.. That way we could have kept ignoring the existence of each other, and I'd still like it if you'd do so.
When you write about me publicly on the forum, I feel a need to defend myself. I think anyone would, but my doing so would probably start an argument.. That would go against what I said earlier, just like this post is doing right now.
Wait a sec, let me get this straight; you are saying that I can't criticise you in public because you fear that you defending yourself would start an argument and you don't want to have "anything to do with me".
Yes, pretty much Jari.. You can't talk to anyone on this forum you have a problem with without starting an argument. It's not that I didn't want to have anything to do with you.. When I tried to be nice to you you snapped on me.. So whatever.. I said I wouldnt talk to you anymore.
And look at this.. Even my posting a nice little request you tore apart and turned into an argument.
Can I use that same argument whenever I want? Because it is really handy - "I don't want to have anything to do with you, so please don't argue my point of view".
I don't argue your points of view on anything because I don't talk to you on the forum.. The only time I did was now when you personally addressed me.
In fact, you wanted that position.
I told Qhimm I'd take a position to help. I already administrate another forum, but the point was made that extra help was needed. I said something like "I don't know how much I'll be around to help, but if you would like me to be a moderator I will."
So... you did not want it? That seems highly unlikely, considering that you offered to do it.
If you would bother to read that topic again, you would notice how I already demonstrated that what you meant was "Please give me a title, please please".
I like Qhimm a lot.. I offered to do what I could to help him. I also don't feel like reading the thread again.
Or like you so eloquently put it in that other topic:
It's not about a title for me at all. To prove that I'd take back my other title it wouldnt matter to me.
My point exactly.
Sure...
But perhaps much more important is this;
If anyone thinks they can make a difference, let me know and I'll make you a moderator. I'm tired of cleaning up this mess, if you people are interested in this place as anything else than a random crap dump then maybe you should start actually working for it.
Personally I think that if a person replies to such post, saying that he wants to moderate he means that he really wants to make a difference. And frankly, that's not happening here.
I wanted to help Qhimm by doing what I could. As far as moderating is concerned there aren't that many problems on this board.
If by moderating you mean tearing into new people when they ask for help then yeah.. That doesn't happen with me.
So look.. I'd really like to go back to the two of us just ignoring each other completely. I was doing it so well.. and so were you.. We had a thing going.. It was like magic..
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And please, for heaven's sake, let that magic return...
I'm really sorry, but I am actually getting very tired of all these threads just popping up about this person not liking that person and so on and so on. I'm well aware of the fact that there is a long history behind it and that there may be a perfectly well explainable reason why you are having an argument...but please, why does it have to be so public. And why does it have to be so very personal and insulting.
I know I might sound stupid and all, but why can't everything just return to "the old days" if I may call 'em that. I mean, I've been around for more than two years now...and I miss the way it was back then. It was just so friendly and all. Nice. No problems, no arguments, no insulting people.
And now this, combined with people who just sign up, make some crappy tread about how to get past this and this point, how to fix this problem, where to buy stuff...sigh...
All of this really makes me very sad, and with me, I think, lot's of other people around here.
Oh, and just for my own safety: I'm not insulting anyone personally. Before you know it, I'll be the one made fun of. Whether ironically or sarcasticly.
Everyone, please. Well that's out.
EW.
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Hey members (Good morning),
I'm leaving Qhimm.com :isee:
Why?
1. Very Busy: Clinic Hours + Internship + Labs + Research
2. Graduating (Soon: HH + MD) :love:
3. Applying for Ph.D. Study at HMS
Take care \(^0^)/
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Well, can't say I really got to know you and stuff :wink:
But still, I'm going to miss you!
Take care and good luck with graduating and all your plans for the future!
Bye!
EW.
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I'm leaving Qhimm.com :isee:
*sigh*
In that case, ignore the entire topic, because I'm leaving too. For good, I just hope that the way I pick doesn't hurt very much.
Considering that I spent month without an internet connection to give you time and came back to beg for forgiveness - the forums were just a means for me to get in touch with you - I don't see reason for staying or trying to make forums a better place - not that I could stay if I wanted to. Screw all of that. Do whatever you want with them.
You know, you do have a knack for hurting me, a talent even.
Leaving of course is your own business and for the time I have left I will miss you terribly and wish all the best for you, but it was really nice of you not to forgive me before you go - it would have taken two words, it could have even been a lie to make me feel less bad - and announce all this in your first reply to my topic since the whole thing begun. It makes me feel really doubleplusgood. That and the recover proceedings letter I got this morning.
But screw that, it's all going to hell and they are not going to get my money anymore.
Nori, I beg you to read the PM I will send you. It will have two photos in it, photos I want you to remember me by. Taken way before this; I want you to remember me as the Jari you liked. Please, it shouldn't be too much to ask for.
EDIT: I'm very happy that you chose to go for PhD.
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What the hell?
I am not going to read all of this, for God's sake this is just a forum.
Thats what it is, not many people come here as often as say back in 1999 when we all started out (or was it 2000?)
Lets leave the flaming out shall we, the only guys who need flaming are the ones who pollute the forum.
Thank you and goodnite
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Wow, you're getting your PhD? Holy crap, I'm still taking high school physics and getting owned by it.
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It would be bit late by then, considering that their presence is supposed to prevent such things.
Ah, yes, but that would be like making someone anticipating a gunshot out of nowhere. There can be as many proactive measures as can be placed, but a Moderator's real job is more of a reactive measure, for when things happen, atleast in my eyes. A moderator is there when the proactive measures have failed, and either contains or eliminates the source of distress.
And, quite frankly, nothing has really happened lately. I mean, no offense Caddberry, within the first week you did do that kind of plug, but other than that, nothing really MAJOR has been going on to judge the new moderators, its just too early. Even that plug really isnt THAT terrible. Of course it sets a somewhat bad example, but nothing to crusade about.
Though, now THIS is seeming to spiral into the next big attraction.
Sorry for the late response by the way, Im the midsts of moving right now.
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Afterthought...
Look Nori, if this thing is actually about me - because the timing sure is convenient enough and lately you have made an art out of avoiding me - just say the word and I'll gladly leave, if it means that you can stay.
I did not mean to hurt you before, and I'm not going to start now. I can easily live without this forum, it's the living without a forgiveness from my friend that I have problems with. :( I could really, really, really use that forgiveness right about now. :weep: EDIT: Please don't hurt me anymore. Please. I'm at my very limit. :(
Besides, I have nothing to lose, if you'll leave, I'll leave too, just like I said. It's not some kind of weird blackmail plan either, it's just that the forum really is not the reason I am here.
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What the hell?
I am not going to read all of this, for God's sake this is just a forum.
Thats what it is, not many people come here as often as say back in 1999 when we all started out (or was it 2000?)
Lets leave the flaming out shall we, the only guys who need flaming are the ones who pollute the forum.
Thank you and goodnite
Yeah good point, why doesnt the moderator close this useless thread or ban Sad Jari. An other forums moderators wouldn't tolerate this crap and close the thread. Sad Jari is causing trouble everywhere including in my thread he is just pissing everyone off.
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Goodbye Nori, Thanks for all the advice.
Jari, Goodbye for what is hopefully the final time.
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Goodbye Nori, Thanks for all the advice.
Jari, Goodbye for what is hopefully the final time.
Oh Sure he is leaving, he said I'm leaving too for good, but then he comes back making another reply.
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I mean, I've been around for more than two years now...and I miss the way it was back then. It was just so friendly and all. Nice. No problems, no arguments, no insulting people.
You should've seen the state of this forum when it first started; it was much better.
Why?
1. Very Busy: Clinic Hours + Internship + Labs + Research
2. Graduating (Soon: HH + MD)
3. Applying for Ph.D. Study at HMS
All the best, Nori (especially ph.D).. looks like there are two reasons to call you a Doctor by then... :P and thanks for all the help over the last 3 years.. appreciated very much! ^^.
And Jari... all the best in whatever you do.
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Goodbye Nori, Thanks for all the advice.
Jari, Goodbye for what is hopefully the final time.
Oh Sure he is leaving, he said I'm leaving too for good, but then he comes back making another reply.
Oh, come on guys, you have to admit Jari was like 10x more pleasent since he came back. I mean his posts were enjoyable and slightly amusing to read (when he was politely burning noobs). We have to cut him some slack, it really sucks when someone you really like leaves you, but its not the end of the world, the pain will eventually go away, but it takes awhile (believe me I know)...
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Arg :o.
Jeri, ya nice guy (least this time around, didn’t actually know him b4). No doubt here. But still, IMO, he has been apologizing to Nori 4 way 2 long and in the wrong place! I'd call that 'nagging' and personally find it really annoying to find out-of-the-blue such as this. Perhaps his actions are only a reflection of that.
Back to my first statement, sure Jeri's now a nice guy. But with all this apologizing, his actions show that he really is here for the wrong reasons.
I'm really going to miss Nori. :weep:
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Oh Sure he is leaving, he said I'm leaving too for good, but then he comes back making another reply.
The whole reason for his staying appears to be for apologising to Nori, she's gone and I would bet he will be also.
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Mind you, I never had any problems with Jari H (if it is him, the one from ffsf.cjb.net), I noticed in the last 2 years when he left and then came back he had massively changed persona.
Nori is a very good person and friend and will be missed dearly, not to mention the one person who introduced me to some great Anime and some great aspects of internet life.
Hope she does good in the end, it is a long journey and just keep your eyes on the light at the end of tunnel because thats where Nori is :)
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I think that Skillster's post deserves an answer, especially since I've never talked about this before. And seeing how things are going, I won't be around to explain much longer. ...if you wonder why I'm still here, it's because I haven't finished all the arrangements. They'll take few days.
...and yes, I'm the same person. Duh.
Mind you, I never had any problems with Jari H (if it is him, the one from ffsf.cjb.net), I noticed in the last 2 years when he left and then came back he had massively changed persona.
That's what dealing with idiots does to you. Two particular idiots, in this case. It takes away your faith in humanity.
It was pretty much a series of unfortunate coincidences. Like I said way up there, I told Qhimm that I didn't want to moderate anymore and even told why... at least I think that I did, not sure anymore; I felt that I could not be objective about Rubicant because frankly... he was being an ass. He tried to aggravate me on purpose on almost every chance he got for 6 months and enlisted his little helper to do the same.
I got PMs about the smallest freaking things ever, because they were not like his royal assness would have liked.
You might remember that back then the titles were much more of an indication of respect than actual jobs. So, I'm sure that Qhimm didn't mean it in a bad way when he didn't want to let me go. He did pick Aaron to moderate, to relieve some of stress... I had originally suggested replacing me with Aaron.
So, when the situation escalated, I did the only thing I saw possible - left. And ever since - even though it is unreasonable and I don't really think so - I've had this little devil inside my head, occasionally telling me that I was wronged back then. Don't get me wrong, I don't hold grudges about it, but sometimes it does pop into my mind.
As far as the Nori-thing goes, I love her dearly and wish her all the best, but it does feel terribly unfair that she's going away without giving me chance to redeem myself in any way. It's a horrible fate for anyone and if you consider the fact that I think of her as my best friend - the person I could and did confide in, who helped me when I needed help and so forth... you might realize how much it hurts.
Yes, I did hurt her, absolutely. But I don't think that I hurt her so much that I deserve eternal suffering for it. :(
Think of it for yourself; you hurt your best friend - by accident even - and you are never given chance to redeem yourself or forgiviness. Try to imagine how it feels. I can not forgive myself for doing what I did - even if it was an accident and misunderstanding, because I had promised myself that I would never hurt her. That is why I so desperately need her forgiveness.
And I'm sorry to say, but this pain must stop. I can not take any more of it. If she can't forgive me I won't think any less of her, but I will have to make the pain stop myself. I'm sorry, but there's no other way, this thing has already ruined the past three months. I can't take anymore.
EDIT: One more thing; Nori, whatever happens, I thank you for everything. The list is too long for this post, but I'll say the most important one; thank you for being a great friend, best I ever had.
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to Jari:
Think of it for yourself; you hurt your best friend - by accident even - and you are never given chance to redeem yourself or forgiviness.
Hey man, that's how life goes. Sometimes it ends up like this. Maybe you have been forgiven, but she does not want to tell you about it. Maybe you have been not.
All things you have said in this thread you have said few times already, also in other threads. I think its no use to repeat them over and over again. As they say, Time cures. Maybe it will cure you too.
And this thread should get locked, really, its getting off its original topic. Too bad I don't have proper rights for it.
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I asked an admin to split it, she deserves her own going away topic.
Maybe you have been forgiven, but she does not want to tell you about it.
Uh... I don't even want to point out how cruel that would be.
All things you have said in this thread you have said few times already, also in other threads. I think its no use to repeat them over and over again. As they say, Time cures. Maybe it will cure you too.
No offense or anything, but time is something I don't have anymore - I simply can not take more pain and I really, really don't want to think about the other alternative. If it takes all the begging and pleading and praying in the world to avoid that alternative, I'll do it. I'll humiliate myself in public gladly. I'll do anything.
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I asked an admin to split it, she deserves her own going away topic.
No offense, but why should someone deserve an going-away topic ? Even if you love her alot, seems stupid to me.
mirex wrote:
Maybe you have been forgiven, but she does not want to tell you about it.
Uh... I don't even want to point out how cruel that would be.
Life is cruel, really. Don't tell me you haven't realized that already.
No offense or anything, but time is something I don't have anymore - I simply can not take more pain and I really, really don't want to think about the other alternative. If it takes all the begging and pleading and praying in the world to avoid that alternative, I'll do it. I'll humiliate myself in public gladly. I'll do anything.
Don't know what is the main point of the thing, and don't know what do you mean by 'alternative', but from my point of view you are overreacting, or it looks like you was one of the crew on the bomber plain which dropped the bomb on hiroshima. And in that case you cannot not be forgiven. ;)
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No offense, but why should someone deserve an going-away topic ? Seems stupid to me.
So that people could say goodbye to her? Seeing that she made a post about going away, I would assume that she wouldn't mind public goodbyes. Besides, there are lots of people here who care about her. And I really don't want to see arguing in that thread. But then again, I'm just a sentimental idiot.
Life is cruel, really. Don't tell me you haven't realized that already.
See the reply below as to why I would see it very cruel.
Don't know what is the main point of the thing, and don't know what do you mean by 'alternative',
Then think. Think very hard. Do I really have to spell it out?
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uh, What did you do Jari that you want forgiveness so badly for?
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I hurt her. She's my friend. Isn't that enough? Under no circumstances I want to part ways with her when she's feeling hurt from something I did.
But if you want really short description, it went something like this (You do realize that lot more things happened during the 2 months, I've tried to write down a version with my reasons listed and it's 10 pages printed);
I misunderstood something she did and said before she went on holiday.
I tried to ask - several times and in an annoying and childish way - if she meant those things to hurt me.
She avoided answering because she was busy.
I took that as an additional insult.
When she finally contacted me, she said something that hurt me.
I tried to push even harder, because I wanted to know if there was something wrong between me and the person I cared for.
She got angry - or that's what it looked like to me and deleted my topic.
I took that as a grave personal insult and called her bad names in public.
She got really angry.
Finally she granted me one final chat where she answered my questions, proving that I had been wrong and told me that I would never have a chance to make it up and she wouldn't forgive me.
Or that's my view. I have never heard her view.
Please don't try commenting too much based on that - it's missing so much stuff.
It's bloody misunderstanding! And I have been very, very stupid, but I don't think that I deserve this.
EDIT: Perhaps even bigger reason why I need her forgiveness is that I promised myself that I will never hurt this person - like I said above, because she really is very special to me. And I simply can not forgive myself for breaking that promise.
I kinda wish that I could, but I can't. She's the only person who can forgive me for what I did. It's a question of ethics for me.
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I dont quite know what to say really.
I'll leave it as, Good luck to both Nori and Jari, I hope life treats you well in the future :)
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uh I suppose I will leave it at that, I was not very good with words anyway, and I had already assumed that it was something along these lines to begin with.
In an ideal word I would have said get on the phone to hear, or leave her a voicemail or something, seeing as you might be on the otherside of the world from her?
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Yeah, I wish that I could have. :isee: I would have, if it just had been possible, trust me.
It's just that only methods of contacting her I had were PMs, IMs and email. I didn't know if she was reading her email (and I loathe return receipts), she was not using any of her IM accounts that I knew of during her holiday, so that left PMs.
I wouldn't have bothered her so mercilessly if I hadn't had my own reasons... you see, this thing was bothering me before the first PM I sent. I tried to keep it bottled up, but then I nearly caused a traffic accident because I lost my temper (this thing was putting me on edge...), it was really close, and I just got scared. I decided that I have to ask, even if it means bothering her during her holiday. :(
Of course I never actually told her about the almost-accident until the chat she finally granted to me. I thought that it would just make her worry about unnecessary stuff... and that she would know that I wouldn't bother her unless I really had to. :weep:
I guess that it wasn't that obvious to her. :( Anyway, that was just one of the many things that went wrong with this thing.
Another was missed chat... she was online at the end of July for one hour (I had Miranda's debug log on), but I had no idea whatsoever that she was going to be online and it was 03:00-04:00 my time. I had told her that the thing was bothering me so much that I can't sleep... but I had managed to go to sleep at 02:00, after a good dose of booze to help me. :(
So, there were many nasty coincidences that just happened to happen at the wrong time - without being anyone's fault. -_-
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Umm, I have a thought.....
What if she just meant she wasn't going to be Mod anymore?
I mean....That *was* what this thread was orginally about. I imagine if she was going to announce that she was leaving, for good.....it would be it's own thread...not buried in this one (having a mod break it up doesn't, really count...hopefully, you didn't force her hand). If anything she's just saying that school is going to take up most of her free time. Which would most logicly point to the fact that she won't have time to Mod this forum, anymore.
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.....I'll never understand such announcements of "I'm leaving for good." Well,..minus three reasons. One, would be Qhimm. If or when Qhimm announces that...there won't be a forum, anymore. Two would be if you were never going to pay for online service again (even though you are probably only fooling yourself). And three would be if you know your experation date. (I knew a few people who were told their's.)
It's a forum that can be accessed from any internet connection from anywhere on the planet...and probably off it, as well. It's not like moving to another city or country...and being too lazy to keep in touch with someone. These *are* long distance relations, as it stands. The effort taking to post here is the same, no matter where we are logged in at.
It really makes no sense logically.....emotionally, however....emotionally is a whole can of worms that would be best left unopened. And a path were you usually end up eating crow.
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Hey I am sure I have seen her online from time to time.
I suppose the difference in Timezones makes this possible.
If I see her I will drop a line or two and see how things are.
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I agree with I think it was Mirex who said that this should be locked and put to rest. I don't know whether or not Nori has her own going away thread, but this one needs to find an end.
Nori, much love from me, and I will also miss the only person that beat me in chess from this forum. Best of luck to you, and please keep in touch from time to time. I'm pretty sure you would still have my contact info..
locked.