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Project forums => Q-Gears => Topic started by: halkun on 2006-05-17 05:42:10
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Ok, for those not in the know the offical Q-gears website is currently blank. I put out a blanket offer to a webmaster to help create/maintain a Q-gears website.
As of right now, it's blank.
http://q-gears.sourceforge.net/ <---- blank homepage.
I've gotten some intrest, so here's how I'm gong to work this.
If you want to create/maintain a website for q-gears, I would like to so a "hiring" process. This is what you should do.
1) Go ahead a create one.
2) Upload somewhere.
3) Post a location so I can take a look at it.
I'll be looking at the html source and check for maintainability, compatiblity, and readability. If it was a generated page using a script, link the scripts code too at the bottom of the page.
Sourceforge allows for php scripting and a light MySQL database. These technologies are not required.
Also, please make sure that any logos and pictures used are not copyrighted by square or are within the grounds of fair use. I'm already leary of the opening "spash screen" used for Q-gears, as it was not drawn by any one on the project .
The winner, or winners will be determined by me and will have access to the Q-gears command shell for the webserver to work on the page. This can be revocable at any time for any reason, includeing none at all. In the spirit of open source. The page will be owned by the Q-gears project you and are donating your code and time to the project.
Just though I'd get that into the open.
Anyway, good luck and thanks.
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You might want to explain what you expect from the Q-Gears website - if you have figured it out yourself, of course. :-)
That would probably make it easier for the folks to estimate if they have the skills/dedication necessary.
And just a hint to possible webmasters; consider using free CMS, since MySQL and PHP are available. Especially if halkun's plans are particularly ambitious. :)
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You might want to explain what you expect from the Q-Gears website - if you have figured it out yourself, of course. :-)
That would probably make it easier for the folks to estimate if they have the skills/dedication necessary.
And just a hint to possible webmasters; consider using free CMS, since MySQL and PHP are available. Especially if halkun's plans are particularly ambitious. :)
Well, as Q-gears only exists as a framework that can be compiled, I don't have much in the way of website ideas. Just ratteling them off off the top of my head..
*A place that will link to the sourceforge project page
*Something that can allow for news submissions
*Display news from the sourceforge Q-gears project news RSS
*Maybe a "getting started" faq.
*Development tool links
----->win32 - the TortiseSVN for windows, Cygwin, DevC++,etc
*Docs, such as the SVN book, the Programming Linux games book, OpenGL programming guide(The Redbook), the original Gears document, my PSX tech doc.
*links to this froum and the wiki.
*anything else cool you can think of.
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If you wish, you could use this image as a place holder for your site background. Feel free to modify it in anyway you want.
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/114/qgears2go.jpg)
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I messaged halkun a week or so ago regarding the subject, but I've barely started as I have no idea how he'd like the layout/content. It's party my fault for not asking, but, eh, no real excuse I can give...
Anyways, is anybody else even...trying?
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I am. I am really into web design, and I hope that I can do well.
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Hm...I was thinking, since Sourcefourge allows PHP (and even MySQL, cool!) you could have some nifty web-features, like check for updates and the like...
Since PHP is enabled, this could get interesting. :)
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Layout is totaly up to you, just make sure to include the things I listed above.
I'm really liking the logo done in splash screen thread. (The one with the green gear) That's pretty awesome.
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I'll try to base the colors/layout on that then, I'm rather unoriginal when it comes to choosing colors. :)
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I'm trying to make my design as simple as possible, as far as looks are concerned. Tons of CSS, along with CuteNews and what I guess is going to need to be a hand-scripted RSS reader will make totally different things look the same, and will allow easy editing of pretty much all actual content. I'll post a pic sometime this afternoon if I get a chance, and will probably have a demo by tomorrow evening. So far, I have it so that it will look good on a minimum 1024*768 monitor (vertical doesn't matter much, but horizontal is important) on most standard web browsers. I'm designing it to work with the logo I submitted, but it can easily be modified if a different logo ends up being used. Currently uses a mix of Verdana and whatever font is the default in the user's browser.
Since Sourceforge allows MySQL, it would theoretically be possible to move the forums here, but I would think that's a bad idea for now.
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Yes, heavy CSS usage is what I was depending on myself. :)
However, I'll probably make a customized news script instead of using an existing one. Easier to work with. However, it's not looking so hot as I'm having problems with making a nice banner. I'm not so great with image editing. :roll:
So far I've been using a lighter blue look with transparent looking content boxes. I'm not sure weither I should have tabbed navigation like Wikipedia, or something different.
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Okay, I have a demo up. Access it here. (http://covarr.byethost31.com/index.php)
I haven't implemented RSS yet, and I don't have all of the other things finalized, but this is basically the look and feel I'm going for. The banner ad is a requirement of my host, and shouldn't be an issue if it is used.
Content management is done with CuteNews (http://www.cutephp.com) and can be accessed on the demo HERE (http://covarr.byethost31.com/cutenews/). The username is "Test" and the password is "test". It's easy to use, but powerful enough for most purposes, so I hope it will work here.
The way it's set up, each page accesses posts from a different category, and so everything is done in the form of a cutenews post. This means that none of the actual content is hard-coded into the page, so it can be easily edited via cutenews. This includes, links, downloads, etc. all done in the same format.
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I would like news to be taken from the sourceforge page.
Basiclly, you grab the already existing q-gears news from sourceforge and via rss and put it in the homepage.
The feeds are located here
http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_project.php?group_id=165417
This allows me to manage the news from the sourceforge page. However, sumbitting from the homepage is cool.
There are already some news bits (2 articles) so see if you can mirror them.
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http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/
Sorry if I'm a little slower. :( I've got lots to go -- I'll start an RSS reader right now. :)
If you're using Firefox you get some really nice looking "quick link" effects. :)
EDIT: I updated it, now there's a content box with a tabbed menu. The "faq" tab stands out because I'm testing what a tab looks like when that is the page you're currently viewing (it's not dynamic --yet). The thing I'm proud of is that it works on the three major browsers: Internet Exporer, Firefox and Opera. :) It is also W3C standards complaint.
Now for some real work.
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If you're using Firefox you get some really nice looking "quick link" effects.
Great idea! Now you just need those menu sounds from the game when you select a link...just kidding. :-) It looks like a very clean interface and I like the tabs. I think a cool banner design may be to mix the gear design by Covarr with a 3d art style that the old Qhimm forum banner had. Just my opinion though, progress is looking good.
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There's a little alignment issue with Firefox on Linux (Fedora Core 4)
(http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/1226/qgearsfedora9df.th.png) (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qgearsfedora9df.png)
Anyway, that's looking nice. Keep up the good work ! :wink:
(I might join and try to do a layout, if I find some time)
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I can't seem to get the tabs to work....
(Win32 firefox 1.5.0.3)
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The alignment issue seems to arise if your window is too small. I tried it on more than one browser for Windows.
Ack. My server is having trouble working with the many RSS reader scripts I've tried. I can't test them this way. :(
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Yes, I know that but the problem is still there on 1024x768. The default font on Linux is bigger, thus the line wrapping. I can make it happen on Windows as well, if I decide to use a larger font (using CTRL+ and CTRL- with Firefox is great to detect this kind of issue). The box should adapt with the text it holds :wink:
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I can't seem to get the tabs to work....
(Win32 firefox 1.5.0.3)
What's wrong with them? Clicking one shouldn't change the way it looks because that's not done yet. :)
As for the alignment issues, thanks. I don't have Linux. I'll have to see if I can change some of the absolute positioning problems. It would also be nice if some Safari users would let me know if everything is alright.
Also, FeuFeu, is the image background the same as the div background? In your screenshot, it doesn't look like it. I dunno why the background would appear white, the div on the right uses the same method of choosing color. :|
EDIT: I've attempted to fix some CSS errors. Everyone who had a problem is encouraged to try again. Thanks for helping me out. :)
UPDATE: Tabs are now dynamic. The document now has some (very slight) PHP elements. To view the source, click here (http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/index.phps).
I'm still working on an RSS reader and should be done soon, even though I'm leaving in roughly a half hour. Later tonight I'll be sure to get much more work done (hopefully much faster).
UPDATE: I added a quick description to the left of the link you're hovering over. Yes, I am procrastinating. :oops: If you don't like this addition, I'll happily remove it. However, I'm curious as to how Linux browsers handle this. Opera needed some quick fixes, so a bit more PHP functionality was added. FeuFeu's browser will almost definately have some issues. The link to the source remains the same. NOW, I promise, I'll start doing more work on the RSS reader to add some real content to the site.
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UPDATE: I added a quick description to the left of the link you're hovering over.
I think that the idea is great, but isn't the description rather far away from the tabs? At least I have to point my eyes to that corner to read it, and if I want to want to select different tab I have to point my eyes to the other corner, so that I can see where the mouse pointer is going. :)
Style-wise it's a good place, but usability-wise... I'm not so sure.
Just my two cents. :)
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That's a thought. I played a bit with positioning and I think you'll enjoy the result. However, Opera completely shut down on this type of manipulation. The first tag it found had the proper CSS applied -- everything else was bugged. If I rolled over the links fast enough, text in the wrong position would appear, invisible. I would have to roll over the links quickly, then hit Ctrl+A. Sometimes, when rolling fast enough other the links, the text would appear partially. I'm blaming this bug on the browser and not the code as Internet Explorer (hell for web design) worked with only minor CSS edits. I disabled the feature completely in Opera.
I started the RSS reader and got a simple class working. It's a littler tougher than I thought it would be, which is suprising because it's mostly array manipulation.
The page should start coming together soon, just need framework. 8-)
http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears -- for those who don't like scrolling up.
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Also, FeuFeu, is the image background the same as the div background? In your screenshot, it doesn't look like it. I dunno why the background would appear white, the div on the right uses the same method of choosing color. :|
Oh, didn't noticed that :? Well, I'll look into it Monday.
About the link descriptions, it might be easier to use the title attribute : the description would then appear in a tooltip and you wouldn't have to worry about its position or visibility.
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That's a thought. I played a bit with positioning and I think you'll enjoy the result. However, Opera completely shut down on this type of manipulation. The first tag it found had the proper CSS applied -- everything else was bugged. If I rolled over the links fast enough, text in the wrong position would appear, invisible. I would have to roll over the links quickly, then hit Ctrl+A. Sometimes, when rolling fast enough other the links, the text would appear partially. I'm blaming this bug on the browser and not the code as Internet Explorer (hell for web design) worked with only minor CSS edits. I disabled the feature completely in Opera.
Yep, this is better. Other option would be the tooltips, of course. They just don't look that fancy.
Completely? The 'News'-tab still seems to display its description in my Opera 9 Beta and Opera 7.54.
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Hah, Opera was ignoring display: none; also. Anyways, I've finally got an RSS reader and such working. It was taking me such a long time because I couldn't test locally (Apache crashed every time I tried to grab the XML contents). However, it worked on my webhost and I'm sure the problem is attributed to my computer. When I was testing it on my webhost, I was noticing that it took about five seconds to parse the XML file and such. Because of this, I decided to have the news cached whenever you tell the page to cache it. After testing the caching I noticed that it was loading the XML much more quickly, so the problem must of been with my host (it is a shared host after all).
You can update the cache by going here: http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/?admin=loadnews.
However, I might remove caching later as speed isn't an extremely important issue.
Now I'm off to style/position the news, and next I'll optimize the XML handling a bit then make the content (not the tabs) dynamic.
UPDATE: The news is styled and if there's any suggestions you might have I'm very open to them. :) Also, it's been a real hassle uploading php source files, so I'm going to remove those unless someone actually wants to view them. Also, halkun, any HTML put into your news posts will be shown. CSS styles will also be applied. Any HTML you put in a post that becomes malformed by the styles on the homepage can be fixed, but it's not necessary to add to the stylesheet yet unless you put conflicting elements in your posts.
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I finally got my RSS reader working. Basically, I got the aggregator (Feed2JS (http://jade.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/feed/index.php?s=build)) put into the content of a cutenews post. Now all I have left to do is to replace the links on the sidebar with images, and replace some of the content with something a little less "demo" and it will be just what I'm going for.
You can still access it here (http://covarr.byethost31.com/index.php).
edit: I just fixed the issue that was preventing HTML in the RSS feed from working.
edit again: Added button images for the sidebar, along with links to project page and forums. These are only temporary, because I don't have Photoshop at home. I will make better ones at school on Monday.
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This is looking good.. ^_^
I hope you do something with the font up on top
HOME
is a little big.........
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I think I'll make individual logos for each portion. The size was deliberate; I wanted it to line up with the logo on the side. I guess I can just put it lower, though.
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UPDATE! (http://covarr.byethost31.com/index.php)
I have redesigned the buttons on the sidebar, and the boring text at the top has been replaced by images, based on what part of the site you're at.
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I got this in a PM from RPGillespie
You should make your buttons (Q-Gears website) do something on mouse-over. Perhaps have a peice of Materia appear next to the button title? To me that makes a site a lot... funner?... to interact with. Kind of like NobodyImportant's site.
The idea is kind of nice, but I feel it adds bloat to the page; it takes longer to create and longer to load, with barely any added benefit. Not only that, but I don't actually know how to do that.
For the record, you don't need to PM me with this stuff.
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This is a page I messed around with, its NOT the final product and only one page, but its just for ideas..
http://romzforum.awardspace.com
The domain was origionally for another purpose but that was lost...
I will install a forum, ( im thinking SFM, mabye phpBB ) but it would then need the adress changed to qgears.awardspace.com mabye, if money is put into it, q-gears.com
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For the record, you don't need to PM me with this stuff.
Couldn't you have just told him that in a PM? The whole point of a private message is to keep it private. Instead you go on and quote it. He was just making a reccomendation directed at you,(a nice idea by the way :-)) not the forum. I don't really see the problem with PMing you ideas, especially if he wanted to just keep it private.
Just some advice. As a developer, if you go around quoting your PMs people will be reluctant to give you their input or advice. Without those, you may not achieve the best overall product. In the end we all just want a great looking website for this great project, right? :-)
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Very nice layout VIN.., oh I mean Abhishek Sukhadia. The color scheme looks great also.
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Thank you! ( read my edit )
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Very nice layout VINCENTVAL. The color scheme looks great also.
Abhishek Sukhadia, you mean? :-D
<! This template is designed and coded by Abhishek Sukhadia>
<! http://www.prodencial.net and http://www.clantemplates.com>
<! DO NOT Remove these lines or the images on the design>
...says the source. :-P
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Very nice layout VINCENTVAL. The color scheme looks great also.
Abhishek Sukhadia, you mean? :-D
<! This template is designed and coded by Abhishek Sukhadia>
<! http://www.prodencial.net and http://www.clantemplates.com>
<! DO NOT Remove these lines or the images on the design>
...says the source. :-P
What are you talking about?
EDIT: OK! Fine I admit it, It wasn't my template, but I never said it was mine either
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I like your layout for the most part, Vincentval, but some aspects of it feel a bit redundant. For example, why put the roster both on the side and in a link on top?
Also, I have a smaller version of that logo if you want, so that it doesn't squeeze funny, if you want. Web browsers are not generally advisable for resizing.
Those lines are written in the page source. Didn't you see it?
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Very nice layout VINCENTVAL. The color scheme looks great also.
Abhishek Sukhadia, you mean? :-D
<! This template is designed and coded by Abhishek Sukhadia>
<! http://www.prodencial.net and http://www.clantemplates.com>
<! DO NOT Remove these lines or the images on the design>
...says the source. :-P
Oh crap and I didn't even look at that. Edited my post, thanks Jari. :-D
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Aww damn, You posted after I finished my edit, aww well.. I did'nt do that, its the pages first design, I am in the process of editing it, and adding pages... The rosters will stay there and the Roster PAGE will be contact info
That is if Halkun approves the page
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EDIT: OK! Fine I admit it, It wasn't my template, but I never said it was mine either
Don't tell me, next you'll probably admit that you are ButBut? :-D
Ok, I've had my fun. I'll stop spamming now. :-)
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ButBut? Who is that?
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OK! Fine I admit it, It wasn't my template, but I never said it was mine either
And you never cited the original designer. So does that make it online plagerism. :-D
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OK! Fine I admit it, It wasn't my template, but I never said it was mine either
And you never cited the original designer. So does that make it online plagerism. :-D
Did i need to? Its in the scource!
EDIT: Small but serious bugfix (clickyclicky) (http://romzforum.awardspace.com)
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VINCENTVAL, the comments in the source say "on the design".
As for my "entry," the content is now dynamic (found out a cool trick with PHP :), made life very easy) and are controlled from an array and templates.php. Speaking of tabs, a friend of mine said they didn't stand out enough so there's a cool looking gradient. :)
Up next is finishing the FAQ. Here's my idea on that: It'll have your normal FAQ layout, a table of contents with the questions and links to the answers on the same page. However, to make life easier for halkun, I'll make FAQ "updateable" (after finishing the other sections) by having an administration panel, where you can edit the FAQ by adding sections, questions, answers, etc.. Time to make use of that MySQL database. However, since the FAQ *might* become rather extensive, I'll have that cached as well.
After the FAQ is downloads --easy. The next tab is "releases", very similar to downloads. Nothing too tough. If SourceForge has XML for certain sections, I'll be sure to update from that instead of the (soon to be) inline administration panel. I'm not sure what to put under the "for developers" tab, so I'll need a lot of input on that. The links tab will again have the ability to be updated using the script, with some hit counters for statistics.
Various CSS edits were made and I'm hoping nobody's browser is having trouble viewing the page. PLEASE report errors.
Here it is: http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears, and remember you can update the news cache at http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/?admin=loadnews
EDIT: Boooo, I forgot to upload the most recent additions. The FAQ only has two questions answered, I'm not done copying. ;)
UPDATE: Finished uploading. Please request any source code you'd like. :)
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Small but serious bugfix, the logo, (clickyclicky) (http://romzforum.awardspace.com)
I dion't remember there ever being anything on the design
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Whatever, editig now,.,..
EDIT: Its there now, look for it! :-D
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You're using depreciated HTML.
<P align="left"><b><font size="1">
A fix would be:
<p align="left" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 1px;">
Also, Covarr, I don't like being forced to enable javascript to render the site correctly. :(
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Ugh. CSS works best when it's built into the <head> anyway.
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You're using depreciated HTML.
<P align="left"><b><font size="1">
A fix would be:
<p align="left" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 1px;">
Nonono, I can't I used that for a reason, because of another script that keeps the font the right size
Ugh. CSS works best when it's built into the <head> anyway.
it IS in the head
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Yes you can, you're only removing the depreciated > and <font> tags and replacing them with stylesheet information.
Also, change font-size: 1px; to font-size: 12px;, that was my fault. ;)
I'm trying to help. :)
EDIT: Covarr is talking about his own stylesheet.
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Yes you can, you're only removing the depreciated > and <font> tags and replacing them with stylesheet information.
Also, change font-size: 1px; to font-size: 12px;, that was my fault. ;)
I'm trying to help. :)
EDIT: Covarr is talking about his own stylesheet.
That information is already there, but not there in that exact spot
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Did i need to? Its in the scource!
Right...and every website that I, and everyone else for that matter visit, checks the source first. :roll:
it IS in the head
Wow, for someone who doesn't know who ButBut is, you sure talk like him. I remember a thread a while back where someone got yelled at for trying to help out but2002...
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I didn't yell at him, I just explained to him it was like that for a reason, now why does everyone keep comparing me to but2002? It seriously gets anoying
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I would not recommend stealing from peoples service, My neibor was stealing bandwith from our router, and he got arrested! BUT! if you ask them, then pay for it, Im sure they would gladly accept, now all you have to do it get that anntenna extended to your Living Quarters
The capital letters "BUT" is kind of a trademark for but2002, and sometimes even with an exclamation point immediately afterwards.
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I would not recommend stealing from peoples service, My neibor was stealing bandwith from our router, and he got arrested! BUT! if you ask them, then pay for it, Im sure they would gladly accept, now all you have to do it get that anntenna extended to your Living Quarters
The capital letters "BUT" is kind of a trademark for but2002, and sometimes even with an exclamation point immediately afterwards.
I did a search for BUT! And I get this: http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5046.msg65969#msg65969
but its 3 #3 out of 11 different post and it only happens once, so I don't see how you would make that conclusionBecause it doesn't seem like a trademark
EDIT: I searched BUT and but2002 does not appear
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Actually it is entry #2/3.
Of course "BUT" won't get you but2002 results; "but" is one of the most commonly used subordinating conjunctions in the English language and is probably used 100+ times a week on these forums.
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To get back on track here, I'd like to note that the tabs without an array entry redirect to news. "?pg=news" is a dummy home page, unless halkun wishes to keep it as the first page visitors see. In the end result any entry into "?pg=" that's not found in the array redirects to the home page, which as of right now is "?pg=news". See how it works? :)
I'm just going to put the link in my signature so you'll never be looking for it. :)
EDIT: Guess not.
http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears
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....subordinating conjunctions....
Ironic, Just took a english test, last question was about a Sub. Con. Identifying thm, EASY!
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http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5062.0
Methinks that is a very interesting thread...
If you'll notice, about halfway down, VINCENTVAL makes a direct comment to but2002, and Jari makes several connections between Butbut, ALPHA_WOLF1, and VINCENTVAL...
Ok, sorry, won't post anymore in this thread lest it's relavent, just thought I'd point out that amazing coincidence.
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Agreed, i was a guest on this forum for 5 months now and I managed to nab a copy while the link was still up, I might have dzuigo turn it into a legal patch
THis is not a direct comment to but2002, this was an agreementt to the fact that the topic was resurected, and it was removed because it was illegal, and I traced this file and nabbed it befor it was shut down, so how am i commenting to but2002?
Back on subject ( b4 this gets locked )
Halkun? how do you like these designs?
NobodyImportant: http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/
VincentVal: http://romzforum.awardspace.com
Covarr: http://covarr.byethost31.com/index.php
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http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5062.0
Methinks that is a very interesting thread...
If you'll notice, about halfway down, VINCENTVAL makes a direct comment to but2002, and Jari makes several connections between Butbut, ALPHA_WOLF1, and VINCENTVAL...
Not only that, but there seem to be more interesting coincidences. Both of them seem to use Clantemplate's ready made templates, VINCENTVAL here (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5593.msg72627#msg72627) and ButBut (http://www.allgamingnetwork.com/index.php) here. If I recall correctly, both previous forums of AllGamingNetwork were phpBB boards running a ready made template, too.
Unless I'm imagining things, the previous incarnation of AllGamingNetwork site used the oh-so-cool mistyping, "romz". Just like this url does: http://romzforum.awardspace.com/ They seem to have switched to "roms" nowadays.
Anyway, I'm kinda sorry for derailing the topic. I did have a reason though; if this is the one-and-only ButBut - who has in the past and still continues to spread warez (here (http://www.allgamingnetwork.com/n64.php) and here (http://www.allgamingnetwork.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=7) and here (http://www.allgamingnetwork.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=9)) and has been banned from here at least twice, you don't want to be associated with him in any way.
Well, that's it from me. I suppose that halkun might want to split the VINCENTVAL's identity crisis-part of this topic and throw it to the Unrelated, or something. Kinda shame about what happened to perfectly nice topic.
EDIT: Darn, I found the first AllGamingNetwork (http://www.armbell.com/forum/anime.html)-forum. :-D Sadly the second one is probably gone for good.
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NothingImportant : I see this overlapping issue is fixed, thanks :-D
Unfortunately, the color problem with the banner is indeed there and I really don't understand WTF is going on (tried something offline, didn't work). By the way I think it isn't worth worrying, the final logo has a white background.
VINCENTVAL : No offense, but I highly doubt an table-based HTML 4.0 design satisfies halkun. The design is nice, but the coding part is really out of date and not easily maintainable.
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Okay, I finished copying the FAQ. http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/?pg=faq
I'm not sure what I should have done with the "taking it apart" section, but what's there seems to work. Now, instead of working on the other tabs, I'm going to create some better PHP framework (the current one is gross :P) and start making the FAQ load from MySQL (then cache until an update is made). Alongside that, I'll start making an "administration panel," where various things can be edited inside of the script, no file editing required. Right now the FAQ is static. Since I'm having such a good time working on this (even if I'm not doing it as fast as I should/could :|) I'll probably throw some flashy AJAX into the mix. Of course, javascript won't be required. But it'll make it look nice. :)
As for now, I'm going to wait for some more input on these ideas and the current look of the page. Constructive criticism is appreciated. :)
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I like the style, though the quick links and the tabs together seem a tad redundant. Also, how easy is upkeep?
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Thanks, it went threw a couple make-overs. ;)
About the quick links, I agree. Maybe I'll leave the project page link and change the other links to maybe this board and gears, or something similar.
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I'm eyeballing the thread. (I have a final next week) I'm really like Covarr's. Mostly because it seems very extendable, but it also looks nice with a clean interface.
I think it's the green-geared qgears logo. I really like that.
I'll let you guys hash this out for another week.
All of you who are creating these pages... Thanks a lot!
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I'm eyeballing the thread. (I have a final next week) I'm really like Covarr's. Mostly because it seems very extendable, but it also looks nice with a clean interface.
I think it's the green-geared qgears logo. I really like that.
I'll let you guys hash this out for another week.
All of you who are creating these pages... Thanks a lot!
No response on mine? http://romzforum.awardspace.com
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My design is pretty much finished, so now I'll just add content and see how well that works out.
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Covarr, I think you will be the one to get put up, and doend sourceforge support php and MySQL?
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Yeah, he's using PHP also. He slapped in some sort of script to read the RSS for him. I made my own. :|
Ah, a huge blow to the self-esteem...
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If it does, I think that once someon's site gets put on the sorceforge, that it would be nice tio set up its own forum, apart from Qhimm's
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I disagree. The forums here are already setup, have content of their own, and two forums would create confusion and disorganiztion. However, that's a discussion for a later time.
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I see where you are going at, but when new visitors trip upon it, it would using this forum wil probobly cause a bit of confusion for them, but on the + side, Qhimm will get advertised
( Mabye its time for a site remake for Qhimm [Celebrating 2-3 years!] :-D )
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I'm eyeballing the thread. (I have a final next week) I'm really like Covarr's. Mostly because it seems very extendable, but it also looks nice with a clean interface.
I think it's the green-geared qgears logo. I really like that.
I'll let you guys hash this out for another week.
All of you who are creating these pages... Thanks a lot!
No response on mine? http://romzforum.awardspace.com
It seems not to render correctly in firefox. There are things that look like buttons that aren't buttons, and odd astectics. The Bright blue+grey decorations don't look right, it appears like something's missing. (content? Border?)
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VincentVal's site renders about the same in IE, as far as I can tell. But it is very table heavy, and I know firefox has trouble with tables, so alignment could have problems.
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He didn't even make it. :-o
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Well, I highly doubt anyway that it will be picked, so I think that this address will be trashed, or used as a testing purpose...
EDIT: 66 post.. That reminds me..
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Also, Covarr, I don't like being forced to enable javascript to render the site correctly. :(
I was having trouble getting a proper aggregator to work right. There is a link to the feed for those that don't have Javascript enabled, which is only a minor inconvenience, IMO.
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I was rereading the thread and forgot to answer something. :P
Also, how easy is upkeep?
As easy as putting entries in an array and making some simple PHP edits in templates.php. But, because dealing with PHP and HTML together is a hassle, I've decided to make an inline administration bar where things are editable while viewing the page. This sort of editing will make maintinence a sinch (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sinch). However, it does depends heavily on javascript which means to make it more accessable I have to code a separate, non javascript version. Oh well. ;)
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Alright, (sorry for double posting), I've finished the "login" portion of the ACP (admin control panel). The username is "halkun" and the password is "testing". All it does now is update your session and keep you logged in. :)
There isn't a non-js version. Yet.
Also, I'm thinking about moving the login form to a different spot, as in you have to manually enter a page to go to it. That way it won't confuse the users as to why its there. I don't even know if halkun even wants an ACP, because whoever has their page put up is supposed to maintain the site. Well, it'll make things easier for whoever maintains my page :), assuming I get that far.
Also, the error checking isn't complete. After it lets you know what you did wrong you don't get a chance to login again without refreshing. I'm not sure why it acts like this because you're calling the same function, but I'll look into it.
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Perhaps add a "Log Out" feature also?
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Mmmkay.
http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears/?pg=logout
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Halkun, is this still open? I'd love to participate, but I have to say I'm a bit late :|
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It seems that a final logo has been chosen. This weekend I'll put it onto my site entry.
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Here comes nothing...
http://atzn.co.uk/Qgears/sample.php
It doesn't have any CMS or system running behind it yet; everything is composed of static data. I don't have enough webspace to upload a CMS program up to my webhost anymore :|
I'm also working on my own CMS which is quite lightweight and simple, but it is still experimental... maybe I'll try that, since I had the core development done.
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ATZN I like your design, now all we need is for Halkun to choose the design, and Im sure everyone he want's involved in this can pitch in and add to the final chosen design
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This is going to hard! I just finished with my final I'll pick over the weekend.
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Crimson Editor 3.70? I'll have to check that out. I really like your design, sudokuman, but how's upkeep? Also, won't it be hard to replace that logo with the one that won halkun's contest?
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I also use Crimson Editor, it's great.
As for updates, I've been working on a more generic installer framework I can use for other MySQL dependant scripts. It looks nice and works great, but it's not a real part of the site. After that's up, I'll have the FAQ load from MySQL and have that administration panel working.
However, I'm not exactly optimistic about my chances in this as a CSS design didn't seem to be what halkun was looking for. Actually, halkun never specified what he was looking for. He wanted a site and that's pretty much all the description he gave. Being a new member, its rather hard to guess what he'd favor. I was (am) focusing on making the site more of an web application than a website, to make it much more extendable as the project grows. That, paired with a handy section to add data to MySQL and update the page instantly would theroretically make for an easily maintained website. In a nutshell: I'm making a CMS, which is centered around one project. Bad idea?
Hmmm...so that's my little speech.
atzn, I love the colors used on your entry. Both the header and footer are excellent. While the navigation and home page are a little cluttered, the impression is a good one. Nice job.
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halkun it would be good to decide if the wiki should be included or not as part of the website. I'm leery of advertising it myself. Just enough know about it however it's kind of not hugely advertised right now due to developement going slow on the content 'infusion'. I also think we should be careful how much Qhimm's hosting gets hit in terms of bandwidth.
Just some thoughts.
Cyb - You may now return to your content mangling gentleman.
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Crimson Editor 3.70? I'll have to check that out. I really like your design, sudokuman, but how's upkeep? Also, won't it be hard to replace that logo with the one that won halkun's contest?
Upkeep isn't that bad. The links are linked into a header file, so new links can be easily added. What I have to admit though, is that if I added more links it would "break" the horizontal bar design that I was aiming to keep for - but I can always revert to a 2 column page to make the links extendable (Vertical instead). I've also stored a template for the icon background so I can always add a new one whenever I feel like it, but I can always use a generic one that works on all links.
As for logo I was tempted to use Qhimm's winning entry but I thought I better included some of my original work rather than using his - again can be easily fixed using some photoshop.
I've got a CMS in the works that allows multiple category editing and entry (via SQL), comments, BB code support, image uploader, etc.. which is pretty much almost like CuteNews.. but it is still in Highly Experimental status, which is why I am reluctant to demonstrate on that yet. Besides, I need to get AES working before I do anything.....
NobodyImportant: Thanks, I have to say I like your design as well.
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Ooh, nothing like an old-fashioned web coding contest to bring me out of the woodwork at the last minute.
Let's see how much I can do before I pass out. :)
Edit:
Here's what I've done so far, it'll be updated over the next 8 hours or so while I work on it.
http://qgears.bitrapist.net/
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Ok. I made my disision....
It was hard. But Covarr and NobodyImportant made it.
I like NobodyImportant's layout... Alot.
However, Covar won me over with the ability to direct how the page should flow and general problem solving.
So I elect you both, I would like NobodyImportant's layout, but you both can maintain it.
I need you two to get get sourceforge accounts and PM the user name to me. I'll add you to the admin list for webpages
You need to review the Terms of service for putting up a sourceforge webpage. One of them is a particular logo is required to be on the page for tracking purposes. If you see any other toys availiable, feel free to implemt them.
(I've been on vacation)
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Aw man, I just spent the last six hours working on this. Oh well.
*continues to work on it*
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Oh wow, I'm very happy with myself. This is a nice pick me up (horrible day). :)
Anyways, I'm going to continue working on the PHP backend (FAQ to mySQL, more pages, etc). Covarr, an instant messaging screename would be great. If not, we can keep in touch via the forums messenger.
I'm honored.
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I'm on my PSP right now. I'll try to do some admin stuff from here. It's pretty tricky with just a keypad.
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You guys are added! Go ahead an read the sourceforge TOS and welcome abord ^_^
I'm sorry for those who came in late... I did promise a disision by this week. (I tend to stick by my guns) However other jobs may come up...
Thanks for all of your help!
I'm keeping this thread open for discussion on the new webpage.
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Alright, I figured out how to connect sourceforge and access the web directory. Cool. :)
Now, me and Covarr need to find a middle ground which we can use as a basis for the website. Halkun wanted to keep my layout, so I'm going to organize the files so we can understand them better. Tell me what you'd (Covarr) like to do so we don't end up working on two things at the same time. For now, I'm still working with the FAQ/administration. Anything other than that is all yours. If you need the PHP source, ask. :)
EDIT: As for now, I'm just going to setup a dummy homepage with the logo on it. :)
EDIT: I can't get to the SourceForge logo page. It says I don't have permission. Here (http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/logo.php?group_id=165417)'s the link.
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Logo 1 (Dimensions: 88 by 31; Background color: white)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=1" width="88" height="31" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
Logo 2 (Dimensions: 125 by 37; Background color: white)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=2" width="125" height="37" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
Logo 3 (Dimensions: 125 by 37; Background color: black)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=3" width="125" height="37" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
Logo 4 (Dimensions: 125 by 37; Background color: blue)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=4" width="125" height="37" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
Logo 5 (Dimensions: 210 by 62; Background color: white)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=5" width="210" height="62" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
Logo 6 (Dimensions: 210 by 62; Background color: black)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=6" width="210" height="62" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
Logo 7 (Dimensions: 210 by 62; Background color: blue)
HTML code follows: <img src="http://sflogo.sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=165417&type=7" width="210" height="62" border="0" alt="SourceForge.net Logo" /> (http://sourceforge.net)
These are the logos with our correct group ID on it.
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NobodyImportant, can you send me your source? I want to see if I can get your layout to work with cutenews, because it really does come in handy for managing content, even if not the news itself.
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No problem, but I'd prefer not to use CuteNews. I'm been working on my own content management system for a while and it's looking rather nice. If you know PHP, SQL and Javascript, feel free to add to it. I also created a generic installer I can use on other projects. Anyways, feel free to try and see if it works, but, really, I'd rather not end up actually using it.
Be warned that the code is rather sloppy. The only file I cleaned up is ajax.js. The rest isn't so nice. Especially templates.php. Right now I'm just getting everything to work right (and by everything I mean whatever I'm currently working on), then it's, well, done. To be honest, it's rather close to being finished as the other pages don't need much input.
Also, halkun said he liked the way things flowed on your pages. Do you want to make a mockup of the other pages in HTML? As in, using the outputted HTML and changing it to make it look like another page. :)
Anyways, here's the source: http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears.zip
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Hey, congrats to both of you (Covarr and NobodyImportant). I think halkun has made the right decision.
Keep it up! :-)
As for me, I've another assignment (Web based) to contend with.. I wanted to post to say that I'm pulling out from this (not that it matters anyway) but the World Cup has been distracting me big time... :-P
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Thanks! I (and most likely Covarr too, even though he hasn't changed anything yet) am very open to suggestions, bug reports and comments. While there's no current demo of the site up, you can view a somewhat outdated version at http://www.rexyrex.hostmatrix.org/qgears
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Well, even if we don't use cutenews, at least I can get a feel for your code by mixing it with something I'm familiar with, even if just for testing. I am by no means proficient with PHP, so it's important that I figure out at least what I'm working with.
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Then I'll be sure to comment everything throughly when I get the chance (I have errands to run for a couple hours). It's not an extremely difficult language. But yes, feel free to change it in any way you'd like. I'll upload a new version in a bit. :)
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Ummm...
The q-gears.sourceforge.net is still... empty...
???
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Well, it's not like you have finished engine either, do you? :-P
Silly halkun, even web development - as simple as it might seem to you programmer dudes - takes time. Heck, ask someone who has been working on the new forums for *cough* quite some time *cogh*. :-D
Splash-screen might be cool, but other than that I would rather have no website than unfinished website.
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I'm working pretty hard on it. After I get all of this back-end stuff done, it'll be fairly easy to throw everything else together. The javascript is sitting at a hefty 356 lines. Internet Explorer is giving me more grief, and I'm not sure which direction Covarr wants to take it. As long as its taking, I can assure you it's nearing completion.
I'm also trying to enjoy my summer. :P
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Well, it's not like you have finished engine either, do you? :-P
Silly halkun, even web development - as simple as it might seem to you programmer dudes - takes time. Heck, ask someone who has been working on the new forums for *cough* quite some time *cogh*. :-D
Splash-screen might be cool, but other than that I would rather have no website than unfinished website.
I stand corrected ^_^ I'm just going to be quiet now and let you do your job...
The Dude abides....
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I'm working pretty hard on it. After I get all of this back-end stuff done, it'll be fairly easy to throw everything else together. The javascript is sitting at a hefty 356 lines. Internet Explorer is giving me more grief, and I'm not sure which direction Covarr wants to take it. As long as its taking, I can assure you it's nearing completion.
I'm also trying to enjoy my summer. :P
Yeah, I hope you don't mind me snatching JAVA code from anywhere I can for learning purposes ^^;;
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Since NobodyImportant is the main designer of the page, I don't really have much TO input until at least something is uploaded.
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Hi all dudes!
I want to help here!
How I can?
I know about webdesign, a bit of programming, image designing, vectorial design (also :P)...Lots of things, for sure!
Also have assembler knowledge, CSS based designing and so other things that can be helpful.
Regards,
ADX
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Heck, ask someone who has been working on the new forums for *cough* quite some time *cogh*. :-D
You should have that cough looked over. It sounds nasty. :P
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I just realized I have a large vacation in front of me and the website isn't done. I'll be back around the end of July to the beginning of August. I'm leaving tomarrow morning. Maybe by the time I'm back, there'll be more content to add. :)
I hope there's nothing to download by that time or else I'll feel I've lied to you. :(
I promise to work harder when I'm back.
I feel kinda bad. :| Sorry!
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Pity. If we had at least a working website, I could upkeep it while you're gone. Roughly how much is left to do?
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Yes, NBI, if you are gone, I do need some work done...
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Hmm... I can't do NobodyImportant's layout, but I can put mine up as a temporary substitute until his is finished, if you'd like.
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on PSP
Do it. Will punt NBI.
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Argh, I can't figure out how to connect to stupid sourceforge! Since the only thing I have any experience with in this area is FTP, and they don't make it clear what I need to do, I may not be able to do this.
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Argh, I can't figure out how to connect to stupid sourceforge! Since the only thing I have any experience with in this area is FTP, and they don't make it clear what I need to do, I may not be able to do this.
Have you tried reading there documentation?
They gave explicite instructions for SVN access.
Cyb
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I've tried some of their documentation. Though, I don't think SVN is used for the homepage.
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You have to use secure ftp to log into a shell account.
If you are using the ftp that comes with winodws, you need to get something from putty
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Will the website be up anytime soon? And what is the Project Status as of now?
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This topic may be dead, but i'm being a 'necromancer' for a reason :P. I may be able to do a website for Q-Gears sometime soon though i'm not 100% sure on that. I've had photoshop for a year and I am 'ok' with it. I'll put something together and post a link. :)
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This project kind of died... We really do need to get this up, now that Akari is doing snapshots, I really should be getting the executables available for download via the sourceforge page too.
We had some people working on this, but it deflated after one of the webmisters bolted. I'm purging names and might be opening a request for web people again.
My Core server is non-functional still. (I've been too lazy to put it online), that will allow me to be a little more active on the sourceforge admin side of things.
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A dead project can always be alive once more. I have hope. :)
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The subject was never dead it's the people who were working on it petered out :D
All right
I spose I could take Akari's latest implementation and make lots of JPG's
I suck at website creation however I can make an image page.
Is there PHP access on Sorceforge? I was twiddling with that prior to my 'serious life interuption' several years back, and now my brain is working a lot better.
I believe we might want to consider what is a useful image and not though sometime. :)
(LOOK Yuffie in space... ;) <that was a joke of course>)
Cyb
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Sourceforge.net used to support php and mysql, I suppose that hasn't changed.
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I think these forums need a serious CSS revamp to go along with a website >_>,
P.S. Why is the place called Qhimm.com anyway?
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Because this is Qhimm's website, mostly.
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So... along with that new site want a new set of forums? Made by the same program, but with a Q-Gears logo and a new style (with CSS)? ^_^
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I still have my layout if you'd like, though I'll need to re-do the button images to match the logo colors, and I need to figure out how to use that putty thing or whatever. On the other hand, my layout wasn't chosen as the winner of the original contest, I was only chosen to help upkeep, so it's your decision, Halkun.
I was gonna do this a few months ago, but a lot of stuff kind of came up at once, and I forgot.
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A dead project can always be alive once more. I have hope. :)
Same can't be said for the ill fated Remake project...
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Back to the subject (or subject back to we do are ing ;) ).
Website what is there?
And what is there to do?
My memory is garbage do to serious (brain screwed up by idiot doctor) ahem, so don't think I'm a senile old man, although I feel like it often enough.
Unfortunately the website does need finished. I did think Covarr did something but I couldn't even remember what it was (see how bad my memory is these days)?
So ahem anyone with some insite and anyone who has finished something (hey covarr :) ).
I thought there was some problem with updating the site Covarr?
Cyb - brain works, but not the way I would like
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You should slow down on the weed :roll:
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Well, here are my ideas for the Q-Gears website. If you guys/girls (dunno, and i'm not checkin!) can do it really good by all means, shoot for it. I'm trying to compact this as much as possible!
(Navigation) -=News=- -=Forums=- -=Screenshots=- -=Downloads=- -=Links=- -=Support=- -=Contacts=-
(News) The basic first page the the RSS feeds and such.
(Forums) Need I say more?
(Screenshots) For the behind the scenes look at what you are not downloading :P
(Downloads) All Q-Gears versions [That are available] or only the latest.
(Links) Links to other FF7 material or other things but categorized
(Support) MySQL database using a Tech Support feature that submits 'support tickets' straight to a singular e-mail for checking. I'd do the checking if you want, I sooo have nothing better to do and I can make sure only important bug reports will get through.
(Contacts) The Q-Gears staffs e-mails and such.
I was also thinking of getting a nice smooth interface, where if you hover your mouse over a menu item you get that FF7 'hand noise' and a little 'hand' animation :) Of course, I wanted to make a flash intro but that would require help. I can do flash, but I can't do animations very well, lol. So, any thoughts on the layout or such? Feel free to add and always have fun creating!