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From here (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5595.msg73237#msg73237).
...also I'm not sure what you're on about Sad Jari but if you want to talk about whatever it was I did then PM me.
So you could pretend that nothing happened, like with that very embarassing topic of yours that mysteriously disapperead from General? Fat chance.
It happened in public, I'll talk about it in public. I have nothing to hide.
And for the record, no, I do not particularly want to talk about it, but you apparently do, since you saw fit to mention it... now. Let's talk, then.
While I don't think that halkun is easily swayed, I also think that bitching by daddy's little moderator played part in the events.
So, you intervened in something you had no idea what it was about, and in doing so spurred halkun - whom I rather like - to do something that caused me to lose my face.
I don't like that. In fact, I really detest it.
And not only were you clueless about what we were talking about, you also were clueless about the way these forums work. Fact that you demonstrated quite nicely in that topic in General, by bitching first when Emerald Weapon pointed out that your topic was in the wrong forum, and then bitching to me when I pointed out that moderation hadn't actually enforced that in some time. I remember someone crying "I don't care even about this topic anymore, you broke it. *sniff*", because apparently my post that I had even tagged as off-topic was soooo bad and ruined the entire topic. Not to mention that you bitched about nobody helping you... after six hours had passed.
And my question - which I thought was rather simple - was; are you happy with your handiwork, punk?
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I'm not going to read this, Jari, but I've seen you post attacks on other members a couple times out in the open and I find it quite bothersome and immature. Next time, I (and probably some others too) would appreciate it if you used the private messenger.
To be fair, Jari has the right to post what he wants. It is in the Unrelated section and the subject line states that it is for rmco2003. My advice is that if you find this bothersome to not demand things from others when you don't have a right to in the first place. If you do not like his actions you should PM a moderator or administrator your concerns, then they can take the appropriate actions. If they find that the whole topic is nonsense and should be left to a PM fight, then let them do what they are here to do. You're not a moderator, so it is equally unfair for you to dictate what others can or can't do.
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To be fair, Jari has the right to post what he wants. It is in the Unrelated section and the subject line states that it is for rmco2003. My advice is that if you find this bothersome to not demand things from others when you don't have a right to in the first place. If you do not like his actions you should PM a moderator or administrator your concerns, then they can take the appropriate actions. If they find that the whole topic is nonsense and should be left to a PM fight, then let them do what they are here to do. You're not a moderator, so it is equally unfair for you to dictate what others can or can't do.
Let him go. All that post will do is fuel the fire...
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Sorry, I honestly had no intention to offend anybody, it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing I'd expect to see a community like this; which has so far come off as very professional. Again, sorry if I've had the wrong thoughts about this place. I'm somewhat new.
EDIT: Forget I posted. I don't want to sound pushy. :oops:
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Let him go. All that post will do is fuel the fire...
Isn't that what Jari wants? I mean, all he ever talks about is how much he likes halkun and Qhimm and how much time and hassle he is saving them by mini-modding the "filthy" forum members. In fact, Sad Jari is a spell-checker, Identity policeman, Database of any and all things members have done in the past that he has dissaproved of, and, an easily-offended contentionist all in one.
So, as NobodyImportant and rmco2003 suggested, why doesn't he simply take to PMs if he has a problem? Because it's no fun if you just stick to PMs. He didn't use PMs with me, so why should he use them for anybody else? He claims that "It happened public so I'll talk public." What I did to Jari concerning his secret message didn't happen public, yet he still brought it public. I'll tell you precisely why he brings everything "public". He wants the entire forum to be able to read along as he incessantly bashes, attacks, and criticizes his target. He has the upper hand with his superior vocabulary and lawyer-esque offense tactics. Why not have a little fun and publically humilate someone? Afterall, politely telling someone you dissaprove of their behavior is no fun at all. Indeed, if he did that, why, the problem may be solved with no dispute at all!
Oh well, stick to your little game, I'm sure you'll soon have a reply quoting half of my post, but no matter, all in the spirit of FF7 I say.
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Sorry, I honestly had no intention to offend anybody, it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing I'd expect to see a community like this; which has so far come off as very professional. Again, sorry if I've had the wrong thoughts about this place. I'm somewhat new.
What are you talking about? Sad Jari isn't attacking you, is he..?
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Read Otokoshi's post. I'm trying my hardest to avoid enemies, no need to make one over something so small.
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Read Otokoshi's post. I'm trying my hardest to avoid enemies, no need to make one over something so small.
What the heck? Your name was "Generic" two seconds ago, so I didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry.
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Because it's no fun if you just stick to PMs.
That's one reason, yes. :-D
He didn't use PMs with me, so why should he use them for anybody else? He claims that "It happened public so I'll talk public." What I did to Jari concerning his secret message didn't happen public, yet he still brought it public.
You? You whose "apology" by PM (after you tried to gain unauthorized access to my server) consisted of:
Wow
how are you so good at computers? You must've learned somewhere... please tell me how you are so good, I don't understand, explain how you know everything that goes on, you know what I am talking about.
For some strange reason I didn't see much point in discussing in private with a person who would do that. He seems to lack certain... morals, and there's not much point in gentleman's agreement, if the other party doesn't know what it means. I'll rather embarrass him in public, that gets the message through to just about anyone.
Besides, what you did was a criminal offense under Finnish law - punishable by one year in prison max and yes; attempt is punishable, so count your blessings that I'm happy just having fun with you, instead of having the police investigate it. Don't you feel lucky now? :P And even if you don't, I don't think that you are in a position to demand anything.
I'll tell you precisely why he brings everything "public". He wants the entire forum to be able to read along as he incessantly bashes, attacks, and criticizes his target.
Yes. It's a learning experience. People often learn to behave afterwards.
He has the upper hand with his superior vocabulary and lawyer-esque offense tactics.
No. I have upper hand because I'm right.
Why not have a little fun and publically humilate someone? Afterall, politely telling someone you dissaprove of their behavior is no fun at all. Indeed, if he did that, why, the problem may be solved with no dispute at all!
Oh no, I use lot of PMs. With people who I respect and I expect them to actually do what they say. I embarrass only the idiots who think that they can get away with everything. :D
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>_> Another day, another newbie who learns of Jari's....Post Destroying skills..
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To be honest, I meant every word I said on my topic. I'm not a fan of the ways you go about doing things Sad Jari, but neither am I humiliated in any way, shape, or form. I agree with people's oppinions of you that state that you act immature on these forums, and I also find it ridiculous you chose to make a topic that in my oppinion is a complete waste of bandwidth for the server this forum is hosted on.
I deleted the topic because I didn't need it anymore, not because I wanted to hide the 'truth' about my personality, or what you claim was 'bitching' about the amount of time spent waiting, or the fact that people had told me about the topic being in the wrong forum.
I think I need to inform you that the reason I got so angry with you, is because the way you act is in my oppinion just plain childish and retarded, and I hold to those words. I'm not a coward, I'd even post my account of what was said in that topic if it was worth my time, but alas it is not.
I wasn't bitching, I'm not a coward, and frankly you really need to get a grip and stop fooling yourself that playing stupid games with people on the internet will not make you look smarter, because
(http://www.cheatandwin.com/arguing.jpg)
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Either...
(http://pendragon.mine.nu/nucleus/media/1/you_win_the_prize1.jpg)
...for the worst fitting image ever, or you are some kind of Rubicant/Undesirable-hybrid that thinks asking a question...
And my question - which I thought was rather simple - was; are you happy with your handiwork, punk?
...is arguing. :lol: Both are rather bad options, I must say.
I agree with people's oppinions of you that state that you act immature on these forums, and I also find it ridiculous you chose to make a topic that in my oppinion is a complete waste of bandwidth for the server this forum is hosted on.
Good thing that it doesn't waste any bandwidth, unless people view it. Wait... you did know that, didn't you? :-D
I deleted the topic because I didn't need it anymore, not because I wanted to hide the 'truth' about my personality, or what you claim was 'b*tching' about the amount of time spent waiting, or the fact that people had told me about the topic being in the wrong forum.
Oh, you deleted it?
That was a rather daring move from someone so concerned about the wellbeing of the forums... going directly against the will of the admin and owner (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5523.msg71379#msg71379):
This will mean there are a whole bunch of new features you can use, but which I strongly recommend against using (moderators can step in if you do).
You did remember that deleting topics with messages on them was not possible before? You should, seeing again how much you care for the forums. :-D
I think I need to inform you that the reason I got so angry with you, is because the way you act is in my oppinion just plain childish and retarded, and I hold to those words. I'm not a coward, I'd even post my account of what was said in that topic if it was worth my time, but alas it is not.
Good choice. Because you would have to lie if you tried to show people that you were not bitching. And credibility is something you don't have.
I must say that I found the "I don't care about anything anymore!"-post insanely funny. So much angst, such resignation. Had the sky fallen on you, you probably couldn't have beaten that pathos. :lol:
Besides, it's not your account we are interested in, it's the entire topic. Which you deleted in your panic.
I wasn't b*tching...
*giggle*
No, of course you weren't. Keep saying that and maybe some day you'll believe it. :)
...I'm not a coward...
Of course you aren't. :-D You'll just rather delete the topics where you act like an ass and try to act innocent when the proof is gone.
Not a coward at all. :evil:
Much like our friend RPG here. :-D
Do you understand now why I choose to talk about these things in public?
To be honest, I meant every word I said on my topic.
Good, that's all I wanted to know.
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Wow I never knew how delusional you could be, you should seriously seek some psycological help. I've had enough of this and I'm not going to take it any further than this post, but I have to say that you are one of the snidest, egotistical wankers I've ever met in my entire life, and I feel sorry for the poor woman that had to pop something as stomach wrenching as you out of her womb.
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Wow I never knew how delusional you could be, you should seriously seek some psycological help. I've had enough of this and I'm not going to take it any further than this post, but I have to say that you are one of the snidest, egotistical wankers I've ever met in my entire life, and I feel sorry for the poor woman that had to pop something as stomach wrenching as you out of her womb.
(http://pendragon.mine.nu/nucleus/media/1/rofl.gif)
Don't worry, you'll get over it.
I think that I made him vewwy angwy...
EDIT: Oh wait, I better quote it, before he makes that disappear as well...
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...Seems you get better and better at driving people away from the forums every day. Still unsure if that makes me happy or sad...
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I laugh, because every extra post you make adds more to the fire, perhaps you should stop. No fuel = No fire.
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Some people take things far too seriously, at the end of the day this is a web forum about Final Fantasy, what does it matter what anyone on here thinks of you?
Jari, take a chill pill man. If you spend your life trying to educate the foolish then you will die unfulfilled, there are too many of them and it's a lost cause. In the UK we have Big Brother on at the moment, every year the uproar against it gets more vocal but yet every year the ratings improve, why is that? The reason is simple, no matter how hard we try, some people are born stupid and those of us with intelligence have to learn to just ignore them. When it comes down to it we are improving the world and dragging them along with us, save your energy for something that matters in the big scheme of things and you will feel more fulfilled than you do from wasting time dealing with fools on the internet.
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Jari, take a chill pill man. If you spend your life trying to educate the foolish then you will die unfulfilled, there are too many of them and it's a lost cause.
*hugs M0T*
Awww, don't worry you silly person, it's not the destination, it's the trip. I'm feeling very fulfilled right now, thanks for asking. :-D
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and I feel sorry for the poor woman that had to pop something as stomach wrenching as you out of her womb.
And the insults keep getting better and better! I think this one is original in a way. Well, not that original, new on the forums though. They keep getting more personal too. If we keep it up, we might get a spot in the "Forums-with-the-best-insults-and-flames-top-10". No, really! That'd be cool wouldn't it?
I rate this one 7 out of 10. *Good insult, pretty personal, not completely original and sharp though*
For those of you without a brain: this post is sarcastic. So read the small words before insulting me on this one. Except when you can be more original then...hehe.
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I actually wish your post wasn't sarcastic, something like that would be fun :-P I'm sure I heard that insult I made a while back, can't remember where from though? :?
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[qoute] I've had enough of this and I'm not going to take it any further than this post
Don't stop now, for a few minuites it was working so well for you!
And as for ignoring stupid people, that is what the special forum is for, no?
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Well I thought I'd take the higher ground for once, I've had enough of arguing now :wink:
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I'm sure I heard that insult I made a while back, can't remember where from though? :?
Should I be surprised that you can't even think of your own insults?
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For the sake of keeping these forums clean and professional, I personally feel this entire thread should be deleted. All of it could have stayed in PMs, and I actually feel worse about visiting this forum now that I've subjected myself to the inane negativity in this thread. Some of the points brought up here about the tyrannical behavior of some of these forum's members were highly insightful and correct.
I was obviously foolish to have continued reading this. I suppose it was like watching a train wreck, or a car crash.
Lesson learned. Avoid childish banter.
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Cry me a river. :lol:
As for PMs; like I said, let the people who have something to hide use them.
EDIT: I remember you. You were the "please don't flame me" (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5538.msg73204#msg73204)-guy. That makes sense... Listen; I do the things I do for a reason. Maybe you'll understand after you have been here for almost six years like me.
EDIT2: Why the heck do people keep changing their names all the time?
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Correct, I said I'd appreciate not receiving flames to a post I made.
And I've changed my name once, and this is the one I will stick with. I've only been here a short time, and I've found a name to settle in to.
I don't see how being here for 6 years makes one better than anyone else here.
I don't think it's an issue of having something to hide, as much as having a degree of integrity and not subjecting others (who, admittedly, make the choice themselves to read this) to such nonsense.
Now, because I believe that teaching by example is a fantastic technique, I'm going to demonstrate said integrity and not post in this thread anymore, regardless of whatever "witty" retort you decide to post.
(Read: "Cry me a river.")
I do wish you great enjoyment in playing and editing Final Fantasy, as that's what this forum is for. I will return to my task of choosing which Overclocked remixes I'd like to incorporate into my FFVII game. Have a great day.
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...as much as having a degree of integrity...
Exactly. That PMing of yours ain't going to work if the other parties don't have any.
1) sh*tweasel promises this and that on PM.
2) sh*tweasel doesn't keep single promise.
3) sh*tweasel cries that his privacy has been breached when you show people that he doesn't keep his promises.
That's what happens with people as enthusiastic to rewrite history as rmco2003 and RPG. I just cut the two unnecessary phases out of it.
Now, because I believe that teaching by example is a fantastic technique, I'm going to demonstrate said integrity and not post in this thread anymore, regardless of whatever "witty" retort you decide to post.
(Read: "Cry me a river.")
I do wish you great enjoyment in playing and editing Final Fantasy, as that's what this forum is for. I will return to my task of choosing which Overclocked remixes I'd like to incorporate into my FFVII game. Have a great day.
Good for you. I'm rather surprised that you wanted to post in the first place, though. :-D
EDIT: Makes lot more sense with one added 'you' for your reading pleasure.
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Of course you aren't. :-D You'll just rather delete the topics where you act like an ass and try to act innocent when the proof is gone.
What is this, a court?
Not a coward at all. :evil:
Much like our friend RPG here. :-D
Objection, your honor, irrelevant.
"Sustained"
Thank you, your honor. Now, I would appreciate it if you stop dragging me back into your little feuds.
Do you understand now why I choose to talk about these things in public?
Yes, because you haven't grown up yet. Even though you are 30.
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I don't see how being here for 6 years makes one better than anyone else here.
It doesn't make you better. It makes you experienced with the way things go around here. That, and the fact that this matter is not at hand here. No-one is trying to look better than anyone else, IMHO.
(With which some of you will probably not agree.)
I don't think it's an issue of having something to hide, as much as having a degree of integrity and not subjecting others (who, admittedly, make the choice themselves to read this) to such nonsense.
If you don't like what you read in the first two posts of a new thread, just stop reading it. And if you don't like a certain member of the forums, don't read any of his threads. And certainly don't argue with him anywhere.
Now, because I believe that teaching by example is a fantastic technique, I'm going to demonstrate said integrity and not post in this thread anymore, regardless of whatever "witty" retort you decide to post.
(Read: "Cry me a river.")
Please don't make statements like this. You'd be the first to actually stick to it.
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What is this, a court?
If it takes that to hammer some honesty into certain people, why not.
Objection, your honor, irrelevant.
"Sustained"
Thank you, your honor. Now, I would appreciate it if you stop dragging me back into your little feuds.
You know that criminals are usually banned from bar, don't you? :P
Besides, you are a rather integral part of this, aren't you? Do you still remember how this started, or should I post cached copy of certain thread... where certain person gets a sudden memory loss? :-D
Yes, because you haven't grown up yet. Even though you are 30.
I was going to go with "I believe that it has something to do with people who "forget" things when it suits them.", but yours is good too. Believe it by all means, if it makes you happy.
That would be 31, BTW. :lol:
EDIT: Oh, RPG, why did you delete your funny bar-post? :-D
I am surprised that you don't know what bar means in regards to law, though... read here (http://www.law.uconn.edu/students/handbook/professional.html).
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Objection, your honor, irrelevant.
"Sustained"
Thank you, your honor. Now, I would appreciate it if you stop dragging me back into your little feuds.
You know that criminals are usually banned from bar, don't you? :P
Not Finnish criminals :-P! In Finnlandia, you can do whatever you want because even though there are established rules, there is no real enforcement for them.
Sure, show me this fabled "cached thread". My mind is quite drained right now from taking the SAT Reasoning Test.
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In Finnlandia...
...and wrong on the second try too. :-D Maybe you should take your time before posting. :-P
Sure, show me this fabled "cached thread". My mind is quite drained right now from taking the SAT Reasoning Test.
Will do. Will take few hours though, I can't be arsed to go through the cache right now.
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I'm sure I heard that insult I made a while back, can't remember where from though? :?
Should I be surprised that you can't even think of your own insults?
Because he goes snip-snip with his posts? All right, this is the third time I wrote this (it was pretty long too). Jari, you are a main pinnacle in the Qhimm forums. I have never had a great argument with you, and you seem to be fine by me. However, other people don't like you because you tend to attack people on small things. I say you should stop them before they continue, nip in the bud, ya know? And because of you, and this forum, I tend to have grown fond of periods (not that kind! :wink:) and proper punctuation. As this was my first forum, I have grown to be, well like you... I periodically attack people  :evil: and do other things of that sort. However, you are a good effect on this forum, because you clean out scum and attack them will, and I have only attacked one dumbass here http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5227.msg67970#msg67970 and you can clearly see that I am right, and yet I still try to help, guess who was the dumbass!  :lol: I would like to point out that you are the embodied GOD of grammar and understanding (of the English Language). Althought one problem with you is that you tend to do what I like to call the over-quote, a fearful system that attacks in small concise parts and sometimes (rarely maybe 10%) slaughters the whole meaning of the post. Here is an overexaggerated version (no offense Emerald Weapon):
And the insults keep getting better and better! I think this one is original in a way. Well, not that original, new on the forums though. They keep getting more personal too. If we keep it up, we might get a spot in the "Forums-with-the-best-insults-and-flames-top-10". No, really! That'd be cool wouldn't it?
I rate this one 7 out of 10. *Good insult, pretty personal, not completely original and sharp though*
Nice work, you fanned the flames, now Qhimm has a very good reason to close his site now.
For those of you without a brain: this post is sarcastic. So read the small words before insulting me on this one. Except when you can be more original then...hehe.
And yet in the first quote, you said the opposite, nice work you have just contradicted yourself, smart mouth.
Jari, do what you do, you are a very important asset to these forums. Just don't overquote too much, please. And focus your anger buddy! Don't attack two at once, RPG had his moments, and he has changed, at least as Qhimm, he did well in grammar, and over-attacked (like someone I know :wink:). In all of seriousness though, you are a sort of hero to me, and continue to do what you do.
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Hush now, Emerald is a good guy. :) Even though it was just an example. :P
Althought one problem with you is that you tend to do what I like to call the over-quote, a fearful system that attacks in small concise parts and sometimes (rarely maybe 10%) slaughters the whole meaning of the post.
Awwwww, but it's so much fun! :P Honestly though, I'm aware of this, but as far as topics like this go... I don't care.
In all of seriousness though, you are a sort of hero to me, and continue to do what you do.
Join me on the dark side, young Padawan. Together we can rule this forum.
Oh, that cached topic that I was talking about, it's here (http://pendragon.mine.nu/thread/thread.html).
As you can see, I gave RPG a fair opportunity to confess. Even if he had no idea what "log" means, he has sent me total of one PM, so that should give a pretty good indication of what I was talking about. Unless of course he does things he should confess so often that he doesn't remember the small things, like an attempt to gain unauthorized access to a system. :D
Instead of confessing he chose to act innocent, and tried discredit me. I think that he just thought that I couldn't prove it, just like he thought that he wouldn't leave any traces trying to read that darn thing. Live and learn.
And that paragraph above is dedicated to every "You should have used PMs"-person; that's how honest people we are dealing with. I have no reason to assume that they would keep their word.
After that rmco2003 decided to join in, complaining that I'm doing oh-so-bad things to the thread. And that's how it started.
EDIT: Or that I could type. Lots of errororrors
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Because he goes snip-snip with his posts?
snip...snip? What's that all about? :? I can't remember cutting up my own posts... or are you talking about fighting back? Sorry I've only just woken up.
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Midgar! I hate you! You ruined my posts and used me as a guinea pig! Even though you said no offense, I must retaliate.
So, I know what I'm going to do. Start a forumwide fight with you! Yes! I'll bug you in your every post! I'll mess up your threads! And there's nothing you can do about it!
No wait! I'll even sue you! And my case will be: This person must be stopped from having internetaccess for he is clearly a follower of the Dark Lord Xenu and his plans might disturb the peace of the aliensouls! You brace for impact, I am sooooo going to win this!
You....you....you...meanie.
:wink: :-D
Hush now, Emerald is a good guy. :) Even though it was just an example. :P
Yesj, there you heard it! I'm already one of his Darth Apprentices. The protection of the Master reaches far!
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Oh no! I'm so sorry! :-o :cry: How did you know? :evil: Please spare me from your wrath!!!11 :mrgreen: It was just an EXAMPLE!!!1one Please don't insult me, I would have never done it if it were not done in my best interests11 :cry:
Thanks for understanding Emerald Weapon.
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Hush now Jari, most of us have occasional moments of stupidity, even just excluded to this forum I can think of three individual cases for myself.
And forget not, the original point of this thread was to attack rmco2003, the unreformed criminal, not RPG, the errr, somewhat refomed?
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I thought that the original point was to tell rmco2003 what I was on about, as he put it. :-)
Would reformed person try to hide what he has done?
Reformed my ass, he's about as honest as average politician. We'll talk about reforming when if he grows a backbone and discovers this thing called "honesty".
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I thought that the original point was to tell rmco2003 what I was on about, as he put it.
With you, all the same :-P
Would reformed person try to hide what he has done?
Yup.
(...)if he grows a backbone and discovers this thing called "honesty".
He is certainly not the only one.
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Would reformed person try to hide what he has done?
Yup.
Interesting. You'll have to explain the logic behind that.
(...)if he grows a backbone and discovers this thing called "honesty".
He is certainly not the only one.
...and now you'll you have to explain what you mean, because I haven't got the slightest idea about what you are trying to say.
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Interesting. You'll have to explain the logic behind that.
You will only change your ways if you see fault in them. If you see fault in them, more then likely, you will be ashamed of those actions.
...and now you'll you have to explain what you mean, because I haven't got the slightest idea about what you are trying to say.
You would claim that you have never been dishonest to cover up something? If you havent, then you are certainly among the very select few.
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You will only change your ways if you see fault in them. If you see fault in them, more then likely, you will be ashamed of those actions.
And if the exact problem was that you had issues fessing up the things you did (remember this (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=4130.0), remember what it took to get him to say that it was him? *), he wouldn't have reformed at all if he insisted on hiding his past, would he?
If you happened to be truth-challenged, you pretty much have to show that you have nothing to hide, if you expect people to believe that you have changed somehow.
You would claim that you have never been dishonest to cover up something? If you havent, then you are certainly among the very select few.
In the forums? I can't think of anything, no. Which means just that, I can't think of anything, tell me by all means if you remember something. If you meant in general, sure. But I certainly wasn't talking about that, dunno about you. :)
* If you don't remember, Qhimm said that he knows who did it, but is waiting for the person to step up voluntarily, so it's not like he had any choice
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if you expect people to believe that you have changed somehow.
His reputation was more then a little injured by what he did. I can understand him trying to cover up further... blemishes.
If you meant in general, sure. But I certainly wasn't talking about that, dunno about you
I was, this being a forum on the internet, doesn't excuse you for bad choices. Sad Jari may not be your name, doesn't mean it's not you. Well, the first half isn't at least
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His reputation was more then a little injured by what he did. I can understand him trying to cover up further... blemishes.
Did you read this (http://pendragon.mine.nu/thread/thread.html)?
If we assume that you are him, you see my first post and you know what I mean by it... do you honestly think that that is the time for covering up anything? Sure, without a doubt you don't advertise what you did and don't brag about it, but when people ask you to come clean...?
If you meant in general, sure. But I certainly wasn't talking about that, dunno about you
I was, this being a forum on the internet, doesn't excuse you for bad choices
...what? I thought that I just said I was not aware that I had ever been dishonest in the forums - to cover up anything or for any other reason - what are you talking about?
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but when people ask you to come clean...?
Sure, it makes about as much sense as leaving the scene of the accident (a very hefty fine in most places), but people still do it.
what are you talking about?
You said never dishonest on the forums. That I could agree with, but I said that it makes no diffrence, you are still the same person as you are in real life, the one that was dishonest at one point or another.
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...but when people ask you to come clean...?
More like demanded I'd say.
...you see my first post and you know what I mean by it...
I didn't know what you meant by it, nor did I realize how offended you actually were. By the way, do you remember exactly when I did these unforgivable crimes? Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago. Now thats what I call a grudge. I said sorry, so stop.
If you don't remember, Qhimm said that he knows who did it, but is waiting for the person to step up voluntarily, so it's not like he had any choice
What I remember, was that you got blamed for the admin thing, because you were acting like a pill about something Qhimm did (backstabbing I believe). I felt bad that you were being falsely accused, so I spoke up.
So, I would appreciate it if you would stop talking about how dishonest and cowardly I am. Thanks. If you still have any isssues with me, speak up now or forever hold your peace.
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Sure, it makes about as much sense as leaving the scene of the accident (a very hefty fine in most places), but people still do it.
For f***s sake, of course they do!
I was under the impression that we were talking about whether a reformed or "reformed" person should lie about what he had done, and if lying about it means that he hasn't actually reformed.
Not about stupid things people do.
You said never dishonest on the forums. That I could agree with, but I said that it makes no diffrence, you are still the same person as you are in real life, the one that was dishonest at one point or another.
Considering that that branch of discussion started from here:
Reformed my ass, he's about as honest as average politician. We'll talk about reforming when if he grows a backbone and discovers this thing called "honesty".
...what exactly does it have to do with me being honest or dishonest in general?
More like demanded I'd say.
And this matters because of...? When people are asking - or demanding - you to come clean about crimes you have done, it's hardly the place or the time to get picky.
...you see my first post and you know what I mean by it...
I didn't know what you meant by it, nor did I realize how offended you actually were. By the way, do you remember exactly when I did these unforgivable crimes? Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago. Now thats what I call a grudge.
Well, you would have to be exceptionally stupid to miss clues like that. Or lying, but let's just pretend that we all believe you to be just stupid.
Or then you just pull this kind of sh*t so often that little things like that slip by. I wouldn't be surprised. :-P
Yes, I remember. You don't seem to. Or you are so bullsh*tting about "Both of them", because you tried to haxx0r into my server in late August 2005. Should be around 25th to 30th. I can check if you want to.
I said sorry, so stop.
Well, I'll be damned. This miracle seems to have escaped my attention entirely. When did this happen?
What I remember, was that you got blamed for the admin thing, because you were acting like a pill about something Qhimm did (backstabbing I believe). I felt bad that you were being falsely accused, so I spoke up.
*chuckle*
You are just asking for me to post a copy of that thread too, aren't you? :-D Or we can ask Qhimm, if you like.
And oh yes, I do remember you giving that explanation earlier. Just because it's your bullsh*t, doesn't mean that it's true.
Perhaps more importantly; it's so touching if you decided to speak up because of little old me. It just doesn't quite jive with the fact that you tried to impersonate admin - or anyone - in the first place. :lol:
So, I would appreciate it if you would stop talking about how dishonest and cowardly I am. Thanks. If you still have any isssues with me, speak up now or forever hold your peace.
You are in no position to make demands. :-D
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Well, you would have to be exceptionally stupid to miss clues like that. Or lying, but let's just pretend that we all believe you to be just stupid.
Thanks, I guess I'm just exceptionally stupid. I'm sorry that I can't interprete your vague and subtle hints prompting me to confess my year-old "crimes".
Or then you just pull this kind of sh*t so often that little things like that slip by. I wouldn't be surprised. :-P
Yes, I remember. You don't seem to. Or you are so bullsh*tting about "Both of them", because you tried to haxx0r into my server in late August 2005. Should be around 25th to 30th. I can check if you want to.
I believe I posted a disclaimer:
Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago.
The admin incident was last May, making that 1 year and 1 month old and I honestly don't remember when I tryed to access your server; I'm guessing it's around ten months.
Well, I'll be damned. This miracle seems to have escaped my attention entirely. When did this happen?
I blatantly apologized! I went right out and said "I'm sorry," are you blind?
[Edit] Halkun seems to have deleted that post, so I guess there is no proof and you obviously can't take my word for it. So I'll say it again: I'm sorry. I shouldn't have tryed to hack your server with my mad hacking skills. I won't do it again.
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I was under the impression that we were talking about whether a reformed or "reformed" person should lie about what he had done, and if lying about it means that he hasn't actually reformed.
Should they? No. Will they? Probably not.
Is he reformed? Well, he hasn't tried to do anything exceptionally inacceptable recently...
...what exactly does it have to do with me being honest or dishonest in general?
That he is not exceptionally dishonest.
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Thanks, I guess I'm just exceptionally stupid. I'm sorry that I can't interprete your vague and subtle hints prompting me to confess my year-old "crimes".
I don't know how much more obvious I could have been, without telling it myself. I was going to let you do that, because that would have at least shown a teeny weeny bit of remorse. Honestly.
And you can drop the quotation marks, at least one of them was an actual crime (http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/alkup/1995/19950578) (Chapter 38, what-do-you-call-it 8 ). Sorry that there's no English version available and I don't feel like translating right now... but I can translate it if you really want.
I believe I posted a disclaimer:
Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago.
Yes, I believe you did:
Both of them (or at least the admin one) were over a year ago.
Well, I'll be damned. This miracle seems to have escaped my attention entirely. When did this happen?
I blatantly apologized! I went right out and said "I'm sorry," are you blind?
[Edit] Halkun seems to have deleted that post, so I guess there is no proof and you obviously can't take my word for it. So I'll say it again: I'm sorry. I shouldn't have tryed to hack your server with my mad hacking skills. I won't do it again.
How unfortunate. :P Anyway, no great loss. You don't seriously expect that I would forgive you now?
You had... nine months to apologize. You did it when you found out that not having apologized caused you harm. I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem very sincere.
And I can hold grudge for a very long time.
...what exactly does it have to do with me being honest or dishonest in general?
That he is not exceptionally dishonest.
I would say that he is. But more to the point might be; can he afford to be dishonest at all?
So... I guess that would be it, as far as this topic is concerned?
Or does anyone have anything to add?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't post, but as far as I'm concerned I believe the matter is pretty much settled. Of course if someone wants to continue, that's totally ok too.
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Nope, I'm good, thanks for asking.
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How unfortunate. :P Anyway, no great loss. You don't seriously expect that I would forgive you now?
You had... nine months to apologize. You did it when you found out that not having apologized caused you harm. I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem very sincere.
Not having apologized did not cause me harm. It just caused another arguement in which you proved, yet again, to be contentious (understatement) and unforgiving. Well, that is the only apology you are getting from me (other than the one halkun deleted), so um... yeah. I have nothing more to say.