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Off-topic forums => Completely Unrelated => Topic started by: Jari on 2007-03-30 14:24:06
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Jari : Hey Jari.... maybe you should go back to school as well.. they'll teach you that English isn't the only language that is teached in schools around the world...
Why, I'll go back to school as soon as you tell me what mystery language doesn't use punctuation, capitalization or grammar at all.
there is even places that doesn't talk english at all :-o isn't it surprising :-o.
He seems to write it, though. Or at least something somewhat resembling it. Isn't that surprising?
More than that, he seems to use a colloquialism, and has an email address belonging either to an American, or wannabe rapper. He is perfectly capable of delivering his content in actual English, just too fucking lazy to try it.
And maybe there is even some courtesy school that could teach you that in the case that you cross someone that doesn't speak or think like you ... that doesn't mean he/she doesn't deserve help. :-o Isn't it surprising as well :-o
Being so lazy that you can't be bothered even to write English does mean that you don't deserve help. Just like being too lazy to Google does.
stormmedia: Tell me, does it take an effort to pick fights you can't win, or were you actually born this stupid?
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stormmedia: Tell me, does it take an effort to pick fights you can't win, or were you actually born this stupid?
Hehe I knew it was comming... you was just too kind before that sentance ... anyway I'm not starting any fight or anything here... just trying to help someone who deserves to be helped like any other being on this planete... (or in this case in this forums)... even though you may be right that he can write english better.... he might just not have known that this forums needs better english... I mean... ever visited other forums ?? sometime it's a lot worst than that... ever chatted on msn ?? this is realy worst than that... He might just not know what here we try to write better. Anyway ... I know I can't convince you so ... let's stop argue about this since it will lead nowhere... just to another endless fight with Jari... and I don't want that...
Just wanted to tell you ... when I write something about what you say to someone... or ... or about anything that you wrote... it's not to start a fight... but to tell you what I think about it ... I mean... when I read what you said here, I knew it wasn't appropriate because... even though that is true that he looks to know a lot of word in english.. that doesn't mean he is automaticaly a perfect english writer... look... this person, wherever he comes from... I think he have a really false opinion of the community now... he must think that we are all jurks that will start picking the newbies... I mean... it's his first post ... and the first answer he get is Jari starting to say to him that he should return to school .... can't you just have done like anyone else and tell him that you didn't understand and to make his sentance more clear?? Why do you have to always add something that could lead a person to never come back to the forums?? That's the question I'm asking you.
BTW Jari ... this is not some kind of fight... this is just a question that I'm asking myself since I noticed that every mod message you write have some kind of arrogent message in it... that's all...
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You use 35 "..." in just the one post, and you need to ask? :wink:
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Well..... that's just how I write sometimes... sorry if it bothers you... however ...(hehe those was made on purpose :-P) I think it's quite off topic isn't it, my question wasn't just for "english" matters or "writing". It's about anything Jari says in mod messages, they always have something arrogent in them.
Well anyway all this is off topic so let's just end it now right ??.
So unless someone have something to add to the problem of Cloud187, I suggest that we just stop posting here. Sorry about this off topic little "talk" with Jari.
BTW Synergy Blades you're right about those "..." I tent to use them a little too often haha. I might try to watch myself someday hehe. Sorry again if it bothers you.
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he might just not have known that this forums needs better english... I mean... ever visited other forums ??
Then he probably needs to pay more attention (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5834.0). Especially considering that he posted this thread to that very same forum.
As for the rest of your message; please formulate it into human readable English and let me know when you have done that. Before you do that; talk to the hand buddy, talk to the hand.
And for Christ's sake, splitting this stupid meta into a thread of its own, and moving that to Unrelated.
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This is just a childish bash-topic.
This is so PM material.
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This is just a childish bash-topic.
This is so PM material.
This so true and I'm so sorry about that... and I'm so glad this part was moved to unrealted 'cause it got nothing to do with the other thread... now I guess this is time to close this topic.... even delete it as far as I'm concerned.
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now I guess this is time to close this topic.... even delete it as far as I'm concerned.
Oh noes, you stand behind what you say here. This topic ain't going anywhere.
I'm still waiting for that translation of your earlier posts, by the way.
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now I guess this is time to close this topic.... even delete it as far as I'm concerned.
Oh noes, you stand behind what you say here. This topic ain't going anywhere.
I'm still waiting for that translation of your earlier posts, by the way.
Or you can leave your in0rn3t fight as it is and go out and enjoy the nice weather.
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Perhaps you should do as you preach?
Or, are you looking for an opinion about your countless useless comments you post into threads like this? Which is it, buster?
See, here we take responsibility about what we say. Or will be made to take it, if for some reason we are incapable of doing it without prodding. And that responsibility just catched up with stormmedia. Like you, he certainly has lots of useless bitching inside him, now is the time to make a stand like a man, and explain himself. If he can.
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Perhaps you should do as you preach?
Or, are you looking for an opinion about your countless useless comments you post into threads like this? Which is it, buster?
See, here we take responsibility about what we say. Or will be made to take it, if for some reason we are incapable of doing it without prodding. And that responsibility just catched up with stormmedia. Like you, he certainly has lots of useless b*tching inside him, now is the time to make a stand like a man, and explain himself. If he can.
Aaaah, it's so nice outside, sitting in the sun with some friends smoking a joint, having a beer, It's what you should do.
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Look Jari I don't hate you or anything if it's what you think. What I hate is when you begin to be arrogant that's all. I didn't insult you here at all... I didn't tell you that you were stupid or anything. The only one who insulted someone is you again with your word "stupid" but I couldn't care less about what you think of me anyway. What's bothering me about you is when you start being arrogant to someone who could care. I mean, like a newbie who didn't do anything to you. I'm not just talking about this guy who didn't write english right, I'm talking about all these little mod messages that you write with some kind of arrogant tone in it. Why can't you just do like anybody else and just write what's wrong in what they did instead of bashing them most of the time with words that shouldn't be there.
For exemple:
MOD EDIT: WHAT THE f***? Embedded 640KB picture? Are you out of your f***ing mind? Changed to link.
« Last Edit: 2007-02-26 21:11:48 by Jari »
Yep, 640 KB picture it's pretty big. But I think there is some other way to tell him that his pic is too big so you had to change it into a link. There is many more like this, even worst I guess(I didn't saw them all), it was just the first that came to mind. You don't always have take those big words that you censure anyway with some "***". When it's the first offence you don't have to be authoritative... just tell them what's wrong and they will understand. If they don't... that's the time to be more authoritative. But even after some time there is no reason to be arrogant... not in a forum anyway.
Now if I didn't want to continue this topic isn't because I don't want to take my responsibility about what I said. It's because it's won't change anything anyway. You will still continue bashing newbies, because you seem to like it very much, and nobody exept me seems to care, so I guess it's useless. That's why I think it was better to let this conversation as it was and close it.
ChaosControl: Now that Jari has this post from me that he seemed to want very much, I think I shall do as you say and go outside for a while :-D. Just a shame that's it's not that nice outside here :-( haha.
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First of all, I do not censure anything. The board does, it has a swearword filter on.
Second of all, yes, you did insult me. You interfered in my moderation without a good reason. I'm not an unreasonable man; for example I did not close the thread, I did not delete your bitching, intead I gave you a chance to explain yourself - even made you do it, when you tried to chicken out.
I do not mind if someone has something worthwhile to say about my moderation, but I do mind mindless "Whaaaa, Jari spilled my milk"-whining.
My job here is not to make everyone feel happy. My job here is not to pat every idiot on the head, just because they managed to click a button which made their post magically appear on the Internets.
My job here is to make sure this forum stays clean and nice, and part of that is to make sure that certain minimum level of English is maintained as well. If you had actually paid attention, you'd know that this has been the board policy for the last seven years, not to mention the personal wish of the owner.
To achieve this goal, I employ also negative reinforcement. That means mocking idiots, ridiculing them, making them look like asses.
And I get results. I do not give rat's ass if hordes of idiots think that I'm the meanest person ever, or if HardOCP forums think that we are "bunch of English faggots" - that one actually made me laugh. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, nor do I want to be friends with people whose greatest achievement was to be pushed out of their mother's vagina.
Also, I'm not a kindergarten teacher to these people, and this is not classroom for behaving on Internets. If they fail to read rules (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5834.0), and they fail to lurk to see what is appropriate, then it's their very own fault. Period.
just tell them what's wrong and they will understand.
You have never moderated a forum, have you?
Like I said, we have the rules perfectly visible. They are perfectly free to lurk around to see what is acceptable. Ignoring those is two strikes already, acting like an idiot is the third one. After that, I deal with them.
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First of all, I do not censure anything. The board does, it has a swearword filter on.
Well that's a good thing... but why use them even though you'll know they will be censured.
Second of all, yes, you did insult me. You interfered in my moderation without a good reason.
Well, sorry if you took that as an insult it didn't meant to.
not an unreasonable man; for example I did not close the thread, I did not delete your b*tching, intead I gave you a chance to explain yourself - even made you do it, when you tried to chicken out.
First I didn't tried to chicken out. I saw it was begining to become a fight and it's not what I wanted. And I'm pretty sure you learned nothing else of what I think about your way to deal with people, well nothing you didn't already know anyway. Beside it wasn't "b*tching" as you say, I don't think I were that impolite. If you do find what I said impolite, well I'm sorry again. I just wanted to say that I disagree with you're methode that's all. Never wanted to insult you as I never wanted to insult anyone. As I always say, I believe that everyone deserves respect, even though sometime we don't like how they act...(or write :-D)
You have never moderated a forum, have you?
Nope, but I still think that there is no use to use words what will be cencured anyway... especialy if it's his first offense.
Anyways sorry again if you took this as an insult, or if you think that I meant to start a fight. It wasn't at all what I wanted ...
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First of all, I do not censure anything. The board does, it has a swearword filter on.
Well that's a good thing... but why use them even though you'll know they will be censured.
Because I assume that anyone with half a brain is capable of performing the massive task of deciphering them.
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Well... the fact that they can understand them doesn't automaticaly means you have to write them. I guess that if you censured such words it's because you did't want them on the forums right?? Then why use them Anyway?? This is more what I meant when I ask "why use them anyway".
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Why wouldn't I?
Like I said, I do believe in negative reinforcement too.
I've had enough friendly notices do absolutely nothing, so I don't even bother with them anymore if the person appears to have an IQ of a turnip. I'll simply spell out my point in a way that even the slower people get.
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Censored*
;;>_>
:D
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OK
Jari your right to mod topic's and to ask them so try and use the right grammer. But it the way you do it some time's you make them feel like nothing and your better then them.
P.S.
I know this cos you done this to me
Im the type of guy that got low self esteem
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OK
Jari your right to mod topic's and to ask them so try and use the right grammer. But it the way you do it some time's you make them feel like nothing and your better then them.
P.S.
I know this cos you done this to me
Im the type of guy that got low self esteem
You're a friggin' fox man! You only got a low self esteem cus you think that way, think like a fox man! 8-)
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ice_cold513: All the more reason to improve your typing, then. Or in other words; sorry, no exceptions.
Only people I show some degree of leniency to are dyslexics, and even they don't have very good excuse for mistypings in this day and age of spell checking.
Had you for example bothered clicking that button that says 'Spell Check', even the forum software would have told you that you have one(!) typo in that post. In reality you have at least two, plus a really horrible grammar - yes; with an 'a'. Firefox 2 would have been perfectly able to tell you that. Even highlight the errors while you type. It's free, too.
But you didn't make any effort, instead you whined about your self esteem.
You know what? I'm not here to fix your self esteem (I'd heartily recommend getting some other hobbies, if it really depends on a forum, anyway), that's your problem, not mine. So, better stop making those excuses and spend even that time learning some English.
EDIT: People, people. You are not even trying. We have gone through all these excuses before:
- The other forums are not like this - well, bloody well they are not - that's because they suck ass. Besides, nobody is stopping you from moving to those other forums.
- I'm special, rules don't apply to me (aka the Liek-ron corollary) - no, you are not so special that you are unable to use spell checker
Your arguments are nearly as bad as your spelling is. If you really want to change my mind, make an effort and come up with a good reason.
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Your arguments are nearly as bad as your spelling is. If you really want to change my mind, make an effort and come up with a good reason.
me no feel liek it
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I think Jari really has something up his ass if he doesnt have anything better to do then whine on a forum which like 10 people a day view im not even gonna watch grammer or punctuatiuon anymore rawr harr rawr
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And look like an even bigger prick at the expense of pissing Jari off?
Your choice hombre.
Your choice.
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Jari
Just so you know that i do try to spell right and I'm still Learning
I do use this site spell checker but as for grammar your out of luck.
A full stop the best i do or is it? Nope that the best i do.
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A full stop the best i do or is it? Nope that the best i do.
What you say?
ChaosControl: Mouth off, by all means. But don't be too attached to your user account, if you continue. :-D
Like James Pond said; your choice.
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A full stop the best i do or is it? Nope that the best i do.
What you say?
ChaosControl: Mouth off, by all means. But don't be too attached to your user account, if you continue. :-D
Like James Pond said; your choice.
Unlike you I don't attach much or any value to my int0rn3t life. But if you feel the only way to solve this is by deleting my account you are a bit sad in my opinion (yeah, MY opinion, which is legal to state yes?).
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Ehm, I feel?
Wasn't it you who just stated that you are intentionally going to break the rules?
Very simple solution for that; don't obey moderators = get banned. We can fix your desire to break rules that way, too.
It has nothing to do with attaching value to this or that, or being sad. It's simply the path of least resistance for us; not to mention entirely your own fault. You have been warned - implications have even been spelled out to you, in a way that even a person as stupid as you should understand.
If you still insist going through with it... well, the consequences will be entirely your problem. You have been given massive amounts of slack already, I suggest you shut up while you still have your account.
*shrugs*
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Ehm, I feel?
Wasn't it you who just stated that you are intentionally going to break the rules?
Very simple solution for that; don't obey moderators = get banned. We can fix your desire to break rules that way, too.
It has nothing to do with attaching value to this or that, or being sad. It's simply the path of least resistance for us; not to mention entirely your own fault. You have been warned - implications have even been spelled out to you, in a way that even a person as stupid as you should understand.
If you still insist going through with it... well, the consequences will be entirely your problem. You have been given massive amounts of slack already, I suggest you shut up while you still have your account.
*shrugs*
I'll be a good boy then, can't lose my precious account. Thanks for the forehand advice jari, you pwn! :D
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Jari, ice_cold513 isn't a native english speaker... I don't realy know about this Running Glitch guy but I know about him. It is just normal for someone which his native language isn't the english to have some probleme with english right? And ice_cold513 is not the only one here I'm pretty sure of it. If I understand you correctly everyone with problems writing english will be insulted by you, exept if they are dyslexics right ? This is non-sense... I mean dyslexics can write properly(sometime). But if someone isn't a native english speaker and they are still learning... what good it there to instult them... I mean they will do the effort that's for sure ... but they won't learn faster just by getting insulted by you.
And in you last post you say: "It's simply the path of least resistance for us" ... I wonder why's the "us" here. It's not about the other moderators, it's just about you. I've never seen Qhimm or The SaiNt insulting anyone(or at least not exept for a very good reason). I wonder Jari... did Qhimm staff did gave you moderator powers so you can insult people even more than you did before ?? If so, I guess I'll just shut up 'cause it seems to ve the will of the Admin here, so I can't do nothing about it. But I doubt it because you are the only one who instult the members non-stop as soon as either they do not agree with you, or they made an english mistake.
You said "I've had enough friendly notices do absolutely nothing" Well... do you really have confirmation that you're insult notices did something better ?? I mean, exept maybe pushing people to hate you and get out of forums. Or maybe that's just what you want, to push everyone off, exept youself and your followers (by followers I don't mean the others admins of the forums of course since they don't follow you at all in this: "I have to instult everyone quest").
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Oh, Jesus Fucking Christ with your "..." and "??". Here's a helpful hint; want to have some degree of credibility in a discussion about English? Try writing it.
Now, onto your "argument".
Jari, ice_cold513 isn't a native english speaker... I don't realy know about this Running Glitch guy but I know about him. It is just normal for someone which his native language isn't the english to have some probleme with english right?
Oh, so that's why he has low self esteem, and wants to be treated differently because of it! Excellent!
He seems to be located in England itself though - you know, the place where English language originated? Perhaps he should try get some immersion, maybe that would teach him.
And ice_cold513 is not the only one here I'm pretty sure of it. If I understand you correctly everyone with problems writing english will be insulted by you, exept if they are dyslexics right ? This is non-sense... I mean dyslexics can write properly(sometime). But if someone isn't a native english speaker and they are still learning... what good it there to instult them... I mean they will do the effort that's for sure ... but they won't learn faster just by getting insulted by you.
Well, obviously you do not understand me correctly. Perhaps some more English lessons would be in order?
To show "show some degree of leniency" means being somewhat forgiving. Somewhat. Get that?
If you had actually paid attention, you'd have found several cases of me treating people with obviously lacking skills of English differently. But have you paid attention?
No, you haven't. I have apparently crushed your weak ego like a faulty tin can, and you are desperately trying to seek some kind of argument - you grab everything that comes to your mind, without even knowing anything about it.
And you know what? ice_cold513's problem is not the lack of English skills. It's his laziness; again, every language I know comes with punctuation, something he often fails to use. Not to mention he himself played the Liek-Ron card; he was not even worried about being non-native - he was assuming that he'd get special treatment because he's fucked up in the head. Wrong answer. No can do. No respect for the lazy.
And in you last post you say: "It's simply the path of least resistance for us" ... I wonder why's the "us" here. It's not about the other moderators, it's just about you. I've never seen Qhimm or The SaiNt insulting anyone(or at least not exept for a very good reason). I wonder Jari... did Qhimm staff did gave you moderator powers so you can insult people even more than you did before ?? If so, I guess I'll just shut up 'cause it seems to ve the will of the Admin here, so I can't do nothing about it. But I doubt it because you are the only one who instult the members non-stop as soon as either they do not agree with you, or they made an english mistake.
*chuckle*
You really don't pay attention, do you? :-D
If you had, you might have noticed that Qhimm is not the person to piss off, or you might notice that he is indeed capable of being highly insulting, should he choose to be. :) SaiNt doesn't really interfere in the forum these days, so it's pretty much a moot point in regard to him.
And why don't you see them moderating much these days? 1) Because now they once again have moderator staff that actually does something and 2) because at least Qhimm is very disappointed with the decline of his forum; mostly how stupid most of the n00bs are.
You'd probably have to ask Qhimm why he gave me moderator powers. I'd guess that for the last time the answer would be "because he thought I'd get results". I had told him what I thought of the "performance" of the existing moderators, and told him that if he gives me mod powers, I'll clean General up. He did - which is a some degree of vote of confidence in itself, seeing that we weren't on speaking terms at that time - and I did. He didn't take them away afterwards, and when asked why, he told me that he was pleased of my performance.
He is perfectly aware of my way of doing things. You realize that during my seven years in here, this is not the first time I moderate?
But by all means, ask him. I don't mind.
You said "I've had enough friendly notices do absolutely nothing" Well... do you really have confirmation that you're insult notices did something better ?? I mean, exept maybe pushing people to hate you and get out of forums.
Yes, I do. And what you pointed out is one way of achieving it. You seem to be under the impression that we'd need every idiot who finds this place. We don't. We don't need anyone, and we only want the smart ones. If the rest go away... hey, works for me.
Or maybe that's just what you want, to push everyone off, exept youself and your followers (by followers I don't mean the others admins of the forums of course since they don't follow you at all in this: "I have to instult everyone quest").
Hey, if you really think that I'm wrong, talk to them. I'm sure they'll listen if they think you are right. Ask that they'll make a moderator while you are at it.
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Ok let's all put this to one side and move
Moving on where
He seems to be located in England itself though - you know, the place where English language originated? Perhaps he should try get some immersion, maybe that would teach him.
I'm from Wales/Cymru so? That make's me what Saesneg/English nope
That make's me Cymraeg/Welsh
The city Casnewydd/Newport
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/theicefox/Map_of_Wales.gif)
Your good at your grammar but you might want to brush up on your Geography
Post goes out to all my fellow welsh men and woman who like all us welshy hate people who say arr the UK your from england and we say no but't we Wales (was going to do that part in Welsh)
Just so you all know UK split into England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland meaning you are English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish given where your born. All have there own language's
You can post a nice long Topic too Jari
You can burn me to My old saying is ( There is over 6 billion people in this world and some just not going to like you so forget the one's who don't like you and move on )
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I'm going to have to come out and say it.
Using the fact you are welsh as an excuse for bad English skills is hilarious.
How old are you? 15? 16?
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ice_cold513: Oh Dear God with your excuses.
I'll show you something to brush up on.
Cymru (Welsh)
Wales (English)
Official languages Welsh, English
The official languages in Wales are English and Welsh. English is spoken by almost all people in Wales and is the de facto main language (see Welsh English). However, Wales is officially bilingual, with 21.7% of the population able to speak Welsh and a larger proportion having some knowledge of the Welsh language according to a 2004 language survey.
Pwned.
Any more bad excuses?
EDIT: And of course, Welsh does not have punctuation at all, correct? :-D
...oh wait, the Internets tell me that in general Welsh punctuation is similar to the English one! Wonder of wonders! It can't be the reason for you not doing it, then.
Come on, please stop. You are more embarrassing than Liek-ron with your excuses.
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excuses what excuses
All Welsh people don't like bring called English
Less then 500,000 people speak Welsh now day's
But when i was in school witch was a welsh school now day's they both but welsh people who can speak write both
was not like this in my shcool days
But i'm tryed to get the english grammar down but it not on the top of my list todo's
Edit i dont make excuses about grammar is anything todo with writing i know why i'm bad at it but if you don't like the way i write post's just say so and i won't post in anything but the NPC Reconstruction Project topic i don't mind
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excuses what excuses
The ones you write.
But i'm tryed to get the english grammar down but it not on the top of my list todo's
Neither is punctuation, I see.
Edit i dont make excuses about grammar is anything todo with writing i know why i'm bad at it but if you don't like the way i write post's just say so and i won't post in anything but the NPC Reconstruction Project topic i don't mind
Oooh! Threats! Excellent!
You know, be my guest - I don't mind either. And I don't take kindly to threats or blackmail. If you are trying to play chicken with me, you picked the wrong guy.
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Aardbei.
Pwned.
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Threats??
Where the Threats i ask a Question?
Do you want me to just post in the NPC topic?
Alittle yes or no
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Where you post is up to you - none of my business.
But I expect you to follow the board policy. That includes human readable English. Everywhere. Even in that topic.
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Awwww... let's calm, please. There is no point on fighting each other. Everyone has his share of reason.
I can see why some newbies get bashed by Jari (and others). I think the language it's quiet a big barrier on it's own for us to keep enlarging it being too nitpicky. Then again, I don't see Jari reproaching people for every single mistake they do. On the other hand, I can see how a too low spelling level can hurt the communication, specially for non-natives (like myself).
But the focus of this discussion is if Jari's methods are too "expeditive". Well, I think you are a bit too harsh sometimes. It's obvious that it's an effective way of keeping the forum level from degenerating. What I wonder is if it's necessary. It's not that we have a noobs plague or something. In fact, we have an ever decreasing active membres population. I wonder if scaring people away systematically will help at all.
Anyway, I understand that's the policy of the admins in this forum. Since this place basically belongs them, it's logic that we have to follow the rules they impose to use it. The day I don't find those rules fair, I'll simply leave. And no, don't get me wrong, this isn't any kind of threat.
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I'm not discussing the rules here. Not at all. In fact I think they are really fair and I try to follow them the better I can.
Now, I'd like to quote these right from the rules's thread (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=1731.0):
Here the rules talking about spelling:
"Please try to use good spelling and grammer. Don't run round the house looking for that old, dusty dictionary you've never used if there's a word too difficult to spell, just try and spell as well as you can"
It is clairly wrote :"just try and spell as well as you can". So ice_cold513 didn't broke this rule at all (exept maybe for ponctuation).
"Don't insult people about anything unless you have a good reason to. Report to an administrator or a moderator if someone has insulted and/or threatened you."
I don't think that the way someone write or think is reason enough to insult people so, unless you say that the rules doesn't apply to you(which I'm certain you will say something like that) you broke this rule several times here even being an moderator. However it might be reason enough to warn them.
Another interesting rule here:
"Try to understand what people are trying to say if they have a different opinion to you, or are trying to give you some friendly advice. Shouting back at them really doesn't help at all, you just get less respect and chances are your opinions will be ignored in the future."
Think I'll skip the comment here, I'm pretty sure everyone knows exactly where I'm getting at anyway.
These rules are the basic of any good forum(including those I didn't quote of course) and I follow those rules and respect them. Jari however doesn't seem to follow any rules implying respect which are the base of any discution, thus the base of any forums. I think a lack of respect is a lot worst than a lack of grammar don't you? (Well... I guess I already know your answer about that, but anyway...)
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I had a long post written, but your whining is not worth it.
I'm going to point out just two things, one; if you really believe that ice_cold513 spells as well as he can, you are the most gullible person ever born, and two; how nice of you to quote rules for users. Written when the browsers hadn't even heard of spell checkers, by the way.
Do you understand the basic difference between a moderator and an user? One obeys the rules, the other makes the users obey the rules. Sadly, considering that there are several asshats amongst the users - as proven also by this thread - moderators can't just pat the asshats on the head and ask them nicely.
Sometimes, like right now, the users are simply too stupid for it.
And for the rest of your whining; I've listened it for nearly three days already. That's three days more than you'd get at most forums. I've graciously given you a platform to voice your concerns. In this time you haven't managed to come up with a single valid point.
Your original ones were complete bogus. When that was proven, you have tried to come up with new ones, each weaker than the previous.
Enough is enough. If you still have issues, click that PM icon next to Qhimm's name and ask for his opinion.
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stormmedia and ice_cold513: It almost seems as though your posts are getting even more erroneous and confusing as this topic progresses. Just try to make your sentences as clear as possible, because even I am having trouble following your arguments. You are probably doing this to provoke Jari, so stop.
stormmedia: You need to use punctuation. This I absolutely agree with. Even if you can't conjugate verbs properly, it is 10x easier to read what you are writing if you simply punctuate your sentences (Yes, you have been getting better at this as the topic has progressed).
Jari: I think that profane language in most cases is a worse offense than bad spelling; maybe you could tone it down just a little. Just my opinion of course.
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Firefox 2 (and probably IE7) has an amazing spell checker built in that underlines words that have been misspelled in red. Simply right-click the word, and the correct spelling will usually pop-up (unless you have horribly butchered the word beyond recognition).
The following words, save "discution," have the correct spelling on Firefox's spell-check list (taken from stormmedia's earlier post):
clairly -> clearly
ponctuation -> punctuation
exept -> except
grammer -> grammar
discution -> discussion
I'm by no means bashing on you stormmedia, I'm just showing the powerful capabilities of a spell-checking browser.
-RPGillespie
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Wow, fuck sake jari, stop being so anal.
Stormmedia, well said! Jari cannot ignore the base rules of this forum, and i could always read your posts and ice_colds posts without too much deciphering so i dont know what the big deal is.
Jari you may think that your doing a good job by keeping the grammar rules to your high standards but your actually fucking it up. If i was a newbie in here and I had your "negative reinforcement" then i really wouldnt want to come back to a forum full of assholes, first impressions are really important.
But the one thing that i cant understand is this, this is a final fantasy VII forum, which has released some killer mods and applications, through the spare time and hard work of many people in this forum... stommedia and ice_cold have both been working their asses off with the new NPC patch which so far looks great! And its these things, rather than your strict ass grammar rules, that bring people to this site over and over.
Dont get me wrong, your entertaining in yourself and pretty much everyone brings something cool to this forum, but you cannot start bitching at everyone that doesnt meet your grammar standards. Some people can deal with a comma missing or no full stop, grammar should be policed, but not the way your doing it, your being an asshole. Oh and "negative reinforcement" is bullshit, not when your trying to build a community built on friendship and a love for all things final fantasy. Christ final fantasy ROCKS!!!!
(Oh and dont threaten people with PMing qhimm, hes a nice guy and probably would care if people were not enjoying his forum because of some anal guy...)
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Jari you may think that your doing a good job by keeping the grammar rules to your high standards but your actually f***ing it up. If i was a newbie in here and I had your "negative reinforcement" then i really wouldnt want to come back to a forum full of assholes, first impressions are really important.
That's okay, we wouldn't want you, either. :-D
(Oh and dont threaten people with PMing qhimm, hes a nice guy and probably would care if people were not enjoying his forum because of some anal guy...)
Why, it's not threatening if that's true, is it? :-D So, by all means, click it and we'll see. You are not scared, are you? Since you seem to be sure of what he thinks and so forth. Click it, buddy. Click click. :-D
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stormmedia and ice_cold513: It almost seems as though your posts are getting even more erroneous and confusing as this topic progresses.
Well I didn't think my lastest posts was that confusing. Sorry if it's the case. In fact, in my last posts, I tried to get the better english I can. Not being a native english speaker myself it's possible that I made mistakes. I'm sorry if those mistakes was that big that you couldn't read the posts.
(Yes, you have been getting better at this as the topic has progressed).
Thanks!! Although I thought my posts were getting even more erroneous and confusing as this topic progresses, like you said earlier. But thanks anyway :-).
Jari: I think that profane language in most cases is a worse offense than bad spelling; maybe you could tone it down just a little. Just my opinion of course.
Yep exactly what I think dude :-).
The following words, save "discution," have the correct spelling on Firefox's spell-check list (taken from stormmedia's earlier post):
clairly -> clearly
ponctuation -> punctuation
exept -> except
grammer -> grammar
discution -> discussion
Well, sorry about those... must be some typo I didn't noticed. (the Spell Check is kinda buggy here... don't know why)
I'm by no means bashing on you stormmedia, I'm just showing the powerful capabilities of a spell-checking browser.
I know you don't. This is the kind of notice that I find constructive. You just trying to help me to have better english so the forums can be cleaner. You didn't wrote some kind of:"Hey are you outta your f***ing mind to write those words like that, you little worthless asshat". You see Jari you don't have to always use some insulting words to get the message done. RPGillespie did it in a perfectly polite way, and I understood.
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I.... Uh....
What on earth is going on here?
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I.... Uh....
What on earth is going on here?
What else but: (http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6504/1174750110406nt7.th.jpg) (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1174750110406nt7.jpg)
Jari, its nice to see that someone here like to enforce rules but come on now! They post once and they leave forever. In fact I bet the person in question doesn't give two diet pepsis for whatevers happening here. I would understand if they continued but you know, they're gone.
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halkun:
Well... short version would be: I said to Jari what I think about his way of insulting people instead of just telling them what's wrong in there posts. And then, some b*tching because Jari took it as an insult (which wasn't my intention). And then some people came by to say hello and what they have to say about it. (very short version)
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Lol, don't worry be happy! :D
I'm on another forum (forum.fok.nl) which is ranked 10th biggest board on the planet and I never ever see mods whine on trivial things as these.. I guess thats what makes a board great, a nice community without asshats (not reffering to anyone specific).
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halkun:
Well... short version would be: I said to Jari what I think about his way of insulting people instead of just telling them what's wrong in there posts. And then, some b*tching because Jari took it as an insult (which wasn't my intention). And then some people came by to say hello and what they have to say about it. (very short version)
Come on now, be honest. :-D
Don't you mean that you are desperately seeking revenge for this (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=6238.0) thread?
You know, the one over which you and your buddies complained to Qhimm, but he apparently didn't lift a finger? :-D (You think that we don't talk about these things? How silly of you.) Must have made a big dent on your ego, that one. :P
Or was it this (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=6277.0) thread?
It must hurt to be always wrong.
Pwned.
I'm sorry that I can't make you smarter. But as long as you continue to make an ass out of yourself - for all the wrong reasons - and then pretend that you have issues with this or that, just to get some inane teenage revenge... you are not going to have a least bit of credibility.
You understand that I knew all this when you started to bitch, yes? And yet I gave you a chance. Which you used for more inane bitching, and could not come with a valid point even if the said point had dragged you up.
You have had your chance now. If you still have some bitching left in you, contact Qhimm, like I told you. But you won't do that, because you know that it will end just like it did the last time.
So, simply... get lost.
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This topic isn't about shit in another topic anymore. It has become a topic to "pwn" or flame eachother.
I think this is enough, honestly, what good will come from this?
You can, offcourse, keep going into what Jari says but eventually you'll get banned or get pissed and leave, or Jari gets pissed and leaves (again..) and then we wouldn't have a mod anymore!!
*cuts wrists*
Remember kids, this is just a forum to develope tweaks/patches/Q-Gears, the off-topic part is meant to have a little fun on the side.
Or am I completely wrong?
Anyway, my advice for stormmedia and Jari is to let it rest before you go cutting wrists.
(You people should definatly listen more SKA!)
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SKA :-D hehe. Anyway. Just want to add Jari: Think what you want I don't care. If your defence is to make everyone think that it got something to do with those thread, fair enough. But just wanted to tell you that I'm not rancorous at all, especially in a forum. So believe me or not about this, I don't care. As ChaosControl said this topic has become a topic to "pwn" or flame eachother, so there is no reason to keep it alive. Anyway you know my opinion you always knew: "Just try to use word that insult a little less the people" that's all. I know you won't, but anyway...