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Channel 4 are doing a 100 greatest movies programme this saturday.
What do you reckon'll be numero uno?
Id be willing to bet on Star Wars : A New Hope at #1 followed by Gladiator at #2 then Ben Hur @ #3.
What does every one else think?
[edited] 57 2001-11-20 14:43
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Although I don't get channel 4, (I'm an American! HA! :wink: ) I can tell you right now that the #1 movie with either be Casablanca or Citizen Kane. Those two are considered the best films of all time.
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the matrix
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IMHO, fat chance for star wars or the matrix. I would guess something along the lines of what Seph 3d said; the classics. If it was comedy, I would hope for Some Like it Hot. But otherwise, I would bet on Citizen Kane.
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It may well be starwars up there somewhere since its on the front cover of the radio times with the caption 'Is this the best film ever?'
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Real subtle hint, then :wink:
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hehe yeah. star wars is a classic. youre right about the matrix though. theyr gonna show it on tv in a week or so, meaning it will be officially dead.
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My Top Ten would be:
10) Road Trip
9) Monty Python: The Holy Grail
:cool: Broken Arrow
7) Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace
6) James Bond : You Only Live Twice
5) Terminator 2
4) The Rock
3) Star Wars Episode 6: Return of The Jedi
2) Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope
1) Star Wars Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back
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Oh my...
Broken arrow is possibly THE worst film I have ever seen. Well, with the exception of "Delta Force: Ebola Threat" (or something like that).
I mean, even the horrible Mission Impossible 2 is better that Broken Arrow...
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Was that the one with John Travolta and Christian Slater?
If it was then its absoulutley sh*te.
P.S Love the new design Qhimm ! .... its better than the 3DStream one IMHO.
P.P.S The Matrix is coming on T.W soon, WICKED, know when exactly.....?
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Yeah that's the film.... cm'on it's good for a laugh.
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maybe thats why you put it at no 8 :cool:
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the worst movie ive ever seen is mimic or event horizon. both sucked horribly.
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Message!
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hehe "my ship went to hell, but i love it anyway"
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If we are talking recent, here would be my choices:
10)
9)
:cool:
7)
6)
5) Probably 'American Beauty', but I haven't seen it.
4) Harry Potter :naughty: I've seen it twice already! (Its not as good the second time.)
3) Almost Famous
2) Shakespeare in Love
1) Chocolate
I HOPE Amélie will make this list... I must go and find out.
Crap... I forgot... I hate most of the movies I see. Well, screw top ten.
My worst movies of all time:
5) Pokémon I, II, and III. (I went to all three just to laugh at them!)
4) The Emperor's New Groove
3) Raising Arizona
2) Cats and Dogs (I refuse to speak of this experience.)
1) Fall of the House of Usher
I'm sure there are many which are worse, but either I am lucky enough not to have seen them, or I have forgotten them is a fit of good luck.
[edited] 177 2001-11-22 01:31
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in dont think of childrens movies as being bad. They're just a different genre that I dont particularly enjoy. Most of them are exellent for the type that they are.
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My Top 10 Fave Movie list:
10: Disney's Tarzan
9: Disney's A Bug's Life
8: Jurrasic Park 2
7: Akira
6: Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone
5: Jurrasic Park 3
4: Prefect Blue
3: Jurrasic Park
2: Shrek
1: Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (I don't care WHAT you thought of it!)
My 7 most Hated films:
7: Disney's Atlantis (A lot of potential, but it didn't use it!)
6: Disney's The Emperor's New Groove
5: Apocalypse Now (Too damn long! Otherwise it's a good film.)
4: Ladyhawke
3: Lily C.A.T.
2: Scary Movie
1: Event Horizon (Although Scary Movie is REALLY close!)
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I dont have any list. I just have movies that i like. But i dont remember them :smile: so ill only write my comments to movies listed before me:
Matrix - really good. Seen it about 14 times, maybe more, Scary Movie - good, but i didnt like some parts; Pulp fiction - cool; All Aliens are great. Monty python's movies, movies with Leslie Nielson.
American Beauty was interesting too. Aso aso ... there are many great movies ...
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I think Lord of the Rings will be number one for me when it comes out. It looks fantastic, I can't wait!
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someone deleted my "scary movie had good sick humor" comment? Why???/
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Best movies?
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. The Cowboys (with John Wayne)
3. Star Wars (ANH)
4. Raiders of the Lost Ark
5. Blade Runner (surprised that one hasn't shown up...)
6. Lawrence of Arabia
7. The Road Warrior
8. The Patriot
9. Twice Upon a Time (with ralph-the-all-purpose-animal)
Bad Movies?
1. Anything with Barbara Striesand
Darkness: Beats me? Board still does weird things sometimes...
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yeah, it probably wasnt a person. sometimes when i click submit i get a 'page cannot be displayed' error.
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Well the top 50 were shown last night snd Star Wars Episdoe 4 and 5 came out top as usual!
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About your eight pick...The Patriot...I wonder how they managed to get up with that title on it? BACK THEN THERE WAS NO USA! They were *rebels*, not patriots, it was the englishmen that were the patriots. Not that I'm saying not being a patriot is necisarrily wrong, and being a rebel can be the right thing ("Star Wars"), but it's a horrible abuse of a word just so that they could perhaps appeal to more americans (kind of like movies being named "I", "II", "III", and then 4, 5...)
It's just sad. I haven't seen the movie so I can't really comment on the movie itself.
[EDIT: This might seem like nitpicking. Well I think there's more to it. Freud could probably have come up with lots of stuff on american mentality from that movie title alone...and of course PR and advertising companies knows these techniques well...so it's really *science* (the science of advertising), not nitpicking...]
[edited] 15 2001-11-26 13:15
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One thing about the Star Wars movies. Since the rebels won how do we know their version of what happened is correct? What makes us so sure that the empire were big and mean and the rebels werent just evil. They say that history is written by the victors.
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It's hardly unusual for Hollywood studios to "interpret" (*cough*rewrite*cough*) history to make it more appealing to US audiences. Not surprising, but it is a bit sad.
M0T: Because it's not told in the style of something written by the rebels? Titanic, for instance, was written as showing you the memories of a survivor so you could say it was one persons interpretation ... most films are produced as being a kind of "live TV" approach, ie. showing you "what happened" if you can apply that to a fictional film :wink:
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Well Episode 2 and 3 are going to show the rise of the Empire so maybe we will see the reasons why the Alliance do Rebel. But don't you think the Empire destroying an entire planet is reason enough?
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Dag: Some of it comes from perspective, as well. Patriots to the cause, maybe? Calling yourself a patriot sounds a lot better than calling yourself a rebel (at least then-maybe not now). And the PR of a war-even then-was as important as the war itself.
There were factions under Samuel Adams who called themselves "Whigs" -or even worse- "Patriots" as early as 1763. This was before anyone ever considered revolting militarily against England. This was during political wrangling over various stamp acts (read: taxes) proposed and imposed, not during discussions of separating the colonies from the homeland.
And didn't Old Ben Kenobi say that it all depended on a certain point of view?
Anyways, nobody abuses a language as well as the native speaker thereof.
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Ficedula: Too true. I can remember this film U-571 that was based on a true story about a BRITISH submarine. Changing it to an american one kind of removed the thruth element but why bother about such unsignificant details...
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Partially true.
Both British AND American subs recovered Enigma machines from multiple German U-Boats.
If you watched the end of the movie they give credit to 3 Naval crews (two British, one American) that recovered the machines.
...but why bother about such insignificant details?
:smile:
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The first machine that was recovered was retrieved by a British crew ... and the code was cracked by a British crew.
If you watched the end of the movie they give credit to 3 Naval crews (two British, one American) that recovered the machines.
...but why bother about such insignificant details?
The point we're making here is that the movie is *not* accurate - the first Enigma data used was retrieved by a British sub, and the code was cracked by a British team at Bletchley.
That doesn't mean that the US didn't do anything ... of course not, they performed very significant part in WW2 ... but in the Enigma code breaking, that was performed pretty much totally by a British team. The movie ignores that simply because it sells better if they present it as a US effort.
Frankly, it *may* seem insignificant, but the fact is: it's wrong. If you start presenting films that are set in real-life times (WW2) but are in fact based on totally imaginary events, most people will accept what the films tell them; because more people (unfortunately) watch films than actually go out and find out what *really* happened. If a director is going to make a film based on a real-life event, then I'd expect them to at least get the basic facts (that can actually be determined from historically recorded details) correct. If they're making a film that's nothing to do with real life events fine! make things up! But if they make a film based on something that actually happened, you'd think it was common courtesy to get it *right*.
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Of course the movie's not accurate. It's fiction. The whole thing. It's very very loosely based around a generalized event. Soldiers capturing a U-boat and securing an Enigma machine for the Allies.
Of course they're going to use an American Naval crew for the film. They most likely felt that an American audience would probably relate better to a boat full of Americans. Hollywood is out to make money, not documentarys.
You're absolutely right. It's quite unfortunate that people are so ignorant as to believe a movie instead of going out and finding multi-documented proof. But then again, I thought it was no big mystery that the movie was fiction. "Based on actual events" in no way means "historically accurate". At least everyone I know seems to have understood that.
That's why the statement, "I can remember this film U-571 that was based on a true story about a BRITISH submarine..." was silly to me. The point I'm making here is how do you know the author based it solely on the first British crew? How do you not know that he was basing it on the American crew that captured a U-boat and Enigma? It seemes to me that he was making a fiction from the generality of the three captures that were cited at the end of the movie.
ADDED: Incidently, in case you didn't tell by the smiley at the end - I wasn't arguing the fact that Hollywood tends to change things to make money off of it - I was merely joking around.
[edited] 9 2001-11-27 01:31
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My favourite 5 movies
1)Phorpa(The cup)(Tibetian)
Why: Because the movie is sweet.
2)Himalaya(Tibetian)(again, yes)
Why: I sort of like tibetians since I was young
3) Cats and Dogs
Why: it's....funny!
4) La Brassire
why: It's funny, and weird
5) The Princess Diaries
Why: It's sweet
Movies that i hate
1) American beauty
Why: It's sick! A man having sex with his daughter's friend? Sick!!!!
2)Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Why: bad storyline
3)Scary Movie 2
Why: Crazy
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The reason I know it was the British capture that led to Enigma being cracked was that the British capture was, IIRC, 4 years earlier than the US one and it might (I'd have to check my dates on this one) have been before US troops even entered the war.
We all know Hollywood changes reality to make it more consumer-friendly, but when it is based on a real life event, it seems somewhat rude to ignore what actually happened when some of the people who were involved in the real capture are still alive! It's not a question of "well, we don't know exactly what happened so we'll make it up" (I don't have a problem with that, of course...), the film quite simply ignores solid facts.
IIRC, some of the veterans from the sub that captured the first Enigma machine were quite offended by the film, understandably so I'd have thought.
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It was just typical Hollywood garbage attempting to make America the big saviour of the world. A bit like Independance day too.
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Scary movie was absoulutely hilarious without a doubt, I missed Scary Movie 2's showing which Im dead annoyed about but ill catch it on video. How can you (Joey) slate it, it is a work of art, possibly the funniest film I've ever seen in my life.
Saw Harry Potter last week, was good, not as good as the book however.
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Hollywood first makes trainloads of money on the real scary movies. Then they produce a parody on themselves, making a trainload of money again. Both the real scary movies and the parody is for a large part playing on attractive young girls and american teenage culture (or how Hollywood thinks all the american teenagers wish their culture was like at any rate).
My real problem with Scary Movie is that it tries hard to be a parody, but all the time it just uses the same tecniques even to sell the parodies. In my opinion Scary Movie is a parody on itself (and the whole consumer age lets-put-in-the-ingredients-that-will-make-us-the-greatest-bucks-mentality), in ways the writers possibly didn't foresee, but more probably didn't care as it paid their wages.
You might be saying that I have no sense of irony, that this is how the movie is supposed be, self-ironic. Well I'm not referring to that part of it. I think I handle most forms of irony, self-irony, double and triple and sarcastic irony well enough, Norwegian culture is full of it, ten times more so than US. It's just that that movie has many levels, and I'm just seeing one more beneath the admittedly funny self-ironic one. Which makes me kind of dislike it. (For the same reasons I dislike very many of the late Hollywood flicks, I guess I'm kinda odd in the movie department though, note I'm not telling any of you people what movies you are going to like though)
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Well said.... Scarry Movie sucked... and Scary Movie 2 was just fart jokes.
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No post editing possible? Strange...anyway, being a little more harsh this time:
To sum up: Scary Movie is like all the teenage-targeted commercials of the last decade, concentrated into one package, without even trying to sell you a product! (Notice BTW how Sprite "obey-your-thirst" tries to tell you how to be unique by drinking what a commercial tells you? This commercial wants us all to be unique by all drinking the same soft drink! Bill Watterson had some great fun with that aspect of modern society...anyway, that is the exact same irony and logic that I applied to Scary Movie above)
THAT should conclude my hate campaign against that movie. If you want to hurt me back, saying ugly things about the Lord of the Rings movie is bound to work...
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Never..... that book is sound.... so WILL the movie be :smile:
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i jumped to the second page, so I assume were talkin about U-571. Most movies are inaccurate, but in this case it wouldnt have to be..... if it was made in Brittain. The fact is, for most americans, they wont see a historical movie that doesn't involve us.
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I amit that I liked it before but now I think it's sick. A black guy gay-raping a toy clown? You must be serious! Oral sex it the freezer? Yuck!!!.
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I'd hardly call that a *good* justification though.
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i never said it was.... but it means more money for the producers.
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Too bad scary movie was written by 2 brothers(Don't remember their names), one of which starred in it,(The non-gay black guy) as it was directed by their other brother (IIRC).
They just wanted to the 2nd for kicks, I think... I haven't seen the 2nd one but I don't plan to since the first one sucked sooo bad.
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scary movie was MEANT to be stupid. The Wayans brothers did them both for fun.
"Man, I ain't gay!"
"But you gave me all those signals...."
"That was MY dick YOU were sucking!"
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"Man, I ain't gay!"
"But you gave me all those signals...."
"That was MY dick YOU were sucking!"
I rest my case.
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but it was hilarious at times.
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It was one of those films that it's nice to see once, but you never want to see it again if you can help it.
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Th problem with U-571 was that it wasnt loosely based around a historical event, it was an actual historical event which was made into a film where the British were substituted by Americans.
This is basicaally what angered quite a few people, it seems as though Hollywood tries to portray the US as singlehandedly winning the second world war. The next thing we'll see is the US navy winning the battle of Againcourt!!
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Or the Germans winning World War II
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Even though I'm an American, I definatly see you guy's point. However, did you think that maybe they were telling about the American efforts? It's not exactly like we stood back and watched...
Even though (I almost said if... :laugh: Sorry.) you cracked it first, we did do a lot of work towards the goal of breaking that code...
This is just an American's view...
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Well, the codebook used to break Enigma was captured by a British submarine, and IIRC the work done to break it was all done at Bletchley Park (hence why I actually remember the name; it's kinda famous now round here).
I'm sure there could have been Americans involved on the team (though I believe it was mostly European personnel) but to present it as a solely American effort would be just as wrong as claiming D-Day was a solely British effort - completely incorrect.
Yes, Hollywood does interpret (and plain rewrite...) the facts just to sell more movies, but that doesn't make it ok...
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does d-day really mean "The Day?" I heard that somewhere.
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I remember the Allies code name for D-Day was "Overlord" but I'm not sure what the D stands for.
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Yes, D-Day was operation Overlord, but I don't know why "D-Day" either.
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This is what I found in a local website:
The "D" in D- Day means simply the "day" of a planned attack. Military commanders would calibrate their calendars to the D-day (and the H-hour) of an operation so everyone would work from the same reference point.
For example, "D-3" would mean three days before D-day. "H + 75" would mean 75 minutes after the attack.
The term dates at least as far back as World War I, when an army officer wrote in an American Expeditionary Forces order on Sept 7, 1918: "The First Army will attack at H hour on D day with the object of forcing the evacuation of the St. Mihiel Salient."
"D-Day" eventually became synonymous with June 6, 1944, the day of the allies' famous invasion of Normandy that proved to be a turning point in the war.
If you're interested, here's (http://www.roanoke.com/dday/live/whatsdday.html) the link.
[edited] 193 2001-11-29 02:22
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interesting...... and somewhat pointless. shouldda called it 'd'
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We are speaking about those things like this: 'The day with big d'. Thats something like D-day.
That special day.
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Hey, if we had another World War, there would definatly be another D-day.
It's all relative...
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Unless we didn't win it, in which case it would be called something else
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hehe it would probably be called D(eath)-Day. or it wouldnt be called anything at all, because wed all be dead.
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Necroposting spambots FTL
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This is the worst necroposting I've ever seen in these forums. Damn that's evil. :evil:
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...Wow...That's close to 10 years. That's the worst necroposting I've ever seen ever.
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Blew my mind when I saw the date was 2001! I was wondering how I could have missed a three page topic....
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It was a good resurrection ;D
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Damn, it figures it would be a spambot. I think the record held for necroposting by a human is still 5 years
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I knew something was up when I saw ficedula posted in this thread o_O