One thing I've noticed about religion in general is that all are possible, yet none can be proven by fact.I recommend watching the south park epidsode (Go Go God IIX) it's the second part to the evolution episode explains pretty much that were all believing in the same thing but under a different name (not counting rebirth)
So its ok to believe in South park but not in Final Fantasy!?!?!?!Dude what makes you think I "believe in it"
But there is something that just pisses me off. Why must we have some kind of eternal reward (or punishment) to stop us from comitting crimes? We already have our own laws, so we don't need any divine entity to give us a set of rules.
If there's no point to life why not just kill yourself or commit whatever crimes as you see fit since there really is no ultimate punishment? The belief in something greather is what drives us to do good.My life driving force is love, love of my friends family, the girl I'm painfully in love with, and I don't need any god or something telling me if I don't do right I'll burn because I do whats right out of the kindness of my heart not a book or a higher being telling me how to do it.
In one of my religion classes I remember hearing about some type of proof that they did live together.
But I do have trouble comprehending how Atheists don't believe in a higher power/being
@ Borde
Are you sure dinosaurs and humans didn't coexist? In one of my religion classes I remember hearing about some type of proof that they did live together. The reasons Dinosaurs grew so large was because of a layer of ice covering the Earth's atmospere creating a sort of greenhouse effect that allowed all life to live much longer than we consider normal these days. Which would explain the different ancient texts with accounts of humans living hundreds of years. This layer of ice was obviously destroyed by a meteor(s) and caused a massive flood... anyways, I'm interested if anyone else has learned or at least heard of this before.
EDIT: Damn you Synergy Blades! Damn you and your fast fingers!
Since this is the greatest Final Fantasy forum on earth(or at least the greatest I found :-P) I am sure Final Fantasy VII is more than a game in your eyes. As for me, it changed my way of thinkin in real life. Yes I do have the belief of Final Fantasy VII. I believe that everything consists of a combination of Life stream particles(or as the christ would say: the "soul") and I do believe that our spiritual energy returns to the planet when were gone, as does our body(=decay). Then our consciousness joins the main Life Stream so that the particles are somehow shuffled and then somewhere else we are reborn. We are no longer WE but I'm sure that sometimes certain particles are the same than in our previous lifes. We are combinations of Life Stream particles and human DNA.
This is my belief.
Now I wanted to ask what you guys think? whats your believe? And did Final Fantasy VII also affect your way of life like in my case?
Good to see that I can talk with you guys about this topic without being called "Anti-Christ f***er" or "Unholy Metal Ass".
These are the terms people usually use against me although Im very open-minded. Well, this is how far it has come in todays society.......
the atheistic dogma being pumped into students
after all the biggest butchers in history like Hitler and Stalin were evolutionists.
You've managed to display your own indifference to logic. There are positive logical, philosophical and historical arguments for the necessary existence of God. There are actual positive arguments against the idea of evolution (as described above) not least that all observed changes in species involving sorting and loss of existing genetic information, not the gain that would be necessary for an amoeba to become an anthropologist. That's why evolutionists usually resort to equivocation, the whole "we see dogs form new varieties of dogs, therefore a reptile turned into a dog" argument.
if a clock is winding down then at some point something had to wind it up. Since energy is the most fundamental unit in the universe whatever raised the energy to its initial level is probably outside the universe, this is accepted as one of the qualities of God.
Creationism is not a threat to science, after all most fo the founders of science would have been described as young earth creationists. Newton, Pasteur, Maxwell, etc. Creationism is not a threat to society but Evolution might be; after all the biggest butchers in history like Hitler and Stalin were evolutionists.
Its logical that as the Biblical claims about history are rejected then its moral claims will be rejected also.
I would say that the atheistic dogma...
Actually you can still mathematically construct a geocentric model of the Solar System that provides all the predictive power of the heliocentric model without anyone being able to prove it wrong.
Religion. Educating people about biology since 0 AD. cheesy
I do not even dare to ask why religion class is doing Creationism / Young Earth brainwashing instead of... you know, teaching things about religions in general.
Are you familiar with the name Carolus Linnaeus, a devout Christian and YEC whose biological classification system is still used today?
There are actual positive arguments against the idea of evolution (as described above) not least that all observed changes in species involving sorting and loss of existing genetic information, not the gain that would be necessary for an amoeba to become an anthropologist. That's why evolutionists usually resort to equivocation, the whole "we see dogs form new varieties of dogs, therefore a reptile turned into a dog" argument.
It's wonderful to construct other people's arguments. It avoids having to engage with real arguments.
Energy exists only in the sense that it's always present. The second law of thermodynamics tells us that the sum total of available energy is in a state of decrease. The general term for that in an increase in disorder. Visualize it as a clock running down. Consequently it actually is part of an argument for a creator, if a clock is winding down then at some point something had to wind it up. Since energy is the most fundamental unit in the universe whatever raised the energy to its initial level is probably outside the universe, this is accepted as one of the qualities of God.
If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.
The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell's teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don't exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don't stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don't warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don't kneecap those who put the tea in first.
The Bible states that God is an all-powerful, all-loving, and all-merciful lord that created humanity as well as the world we live in. However, if he's so merciful, why is it if we don't follow his teachings, we are condemned to eternal suffering in the pits of a fiery Hell? Is God not just a tyrannical overlord that continuously bullies his subjects? Christians follow the Bible blindly. For example, Christians will praise God for saving one survivor in the infamous World Trade Center attack, yet not blame him for killing the other three thousand. If Hurricane Katrina spared a family's home, it's clearly by God's mercy and love, yet it's Satan that brought about the destruction and pain for the thousands of others.
I just wanted to say, next time you want to put something in that was said by another person use the insert quote function^^
Btw, your argument about holes in evolution reminded me of this.
Theory: When I jump in the air, I float off into the sky.
Observation: I don't float off, I come back down to earth.
Because the atheist cannot prove beyond doubt that there is a force of gravity pulling me back down, God exists - and is pulling everyone down. :?
Welcome to Intelligent Falling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling). :-D
Thanks Jari, thought you might like it, you seem to be in a bit of a lolcat phase. :-D
'cause there is only one truth. Your own. Amen lol!
It's been scientifically proven that the Earth will die of natural causes in about 4 billion years, one billion years before the sun turns Giant and melts the Earth to nothingness.
How will it die of natural causes you ask? The tectonic plates, that so graciously generate it's magnetic field,
will cease movement, the Earth's core with cool and the Earth with become barren, cold and dead, like Mars (yes, Mars is a dead planet). It may even shrink a little! With it, all life on Earth will die…
It also has been scientifically proven the a spirit is actually a person's magnetic field.
I was watching the news the other day and they had a story on how in the year 2027 there will be a meteor which will circle around the earth and create 100ft tidal waves around the world. I think we once had a meteor engraving with an aperture of 50m or so and it destroyed everything in a radius of 500km I think. This meteor has a size thats comparable to New York, meaning if it pursues there will be nothing left. Even if it misses, after another 7 years the same meteor will be sucked in by the suns gravitational force and circle back around and come by earth again. So bye-bye world.........
No, 1999 AN 10 will not "circle" earth, just pass it. No, 1999 AN 10 most certainly will not create tidal waves of 100 millimeters, much less 100ft. Why? Because it's about 800-1800 meters in diameter, and more importantly has very little mass, if compared to say... moon, for example. It has a tiny chance of getting caught in Earth's gravity in a way that would make it hit on its next pass.
May i bash you because your a complete jackass? Seriously if you want a decent response from me then don't act like you want to start an arguement, otherwise i won't respond with what you're trying to get which in this case would be to fix my post
Learn how to talk to people (I can assume that you're going to post something after me but if you want a proper response then you better have a nicer attitude)
I am a christian and i believe in god based on what i know and what i have seen and there isn't anything that can change that so don't challange my belief (just in case somebody wants to bash me) now first off i will point this out to athiests or any other people who don't believe in life after death: if you don't beleive in god then that's perfectly fine with me, but i ask you not to look down on christians or any other type of religion
Black-Caped Man the religion that you follow/abide by closely resembles Buddahism (sorry if i spelt it wrong) but I see your point that it is slightly different since you would allegedly come back as a Human instead of an animal and i personaly don't believe in what you do but I will be more open to it than alot of other people will.
Oh yeah and whats that stupid discussion of El Bandito and Xelane about? pls calm down people and stop insulting others
The ONLY thing that you can insult me for is my lack of evidence
Also i'll admit that i should have put caps and paragraphs but you could've gotten the same results without the negativity so don't think that you should try your "negative reinforcement" when i am one who does not respond well to negativity.
And finally, why would you assume that I am an idiot to be mocked?
I made 1 comment about what I believe in and you felt obligated to insult my typing instead of merely asking me to rewrite my post which could have ended alot better for the both of us and if you have nothing to say other than some kind of negative insult then don't bother saying it because I will no longer respond to random insults
so youd prefer if everyone typed like this then
okay, obviously you didn't read what i said about your "negative reinforcement" and that was that if you had done it in a more positive matter it would have gotten THE SAME RESULT. If you didn't understand that it meant that it meant that i would have changed my typing either way
And by the way the reason that your "negative reinforcement" worked was only because you showed me that my typing needed to be changed to be legible to others and that would have worked much better if you were to say it in a positive fashion. I already knew how to use caps and paragraphs btw, nothing new was learned, just enforced
Also, you cannot just assume that asking nicely won't change anything.
Jari please come back, the amount of nooblets on the forums with endless amounts of questions is making me visit the forum less and less frequently. At least when you "modded" we didn't have the ridiculous amount of post spammers we have now.
I do think you get way to much enjoyment out of picking on relgious types though, (however amusing it might be on my end lol).
Also since I have only seen el ammo on this topic I can only say that he is a very negative, and in a sense, evil person who takes joy in insulting and mocking others.
Also since I have only seen el ammo on this topic I can only say that he is a very negative, and in a sense, evil person who takes joy in insulting and mocking others. however that may only be the case on this topic I honestly can't say.
I'm quite curious as to why?Jari please come back, the amount of nooblets on the forums with endless amounts of questions is making me visit the forum less and less frequently. At least when you "modded" we didn't have the ridiculous amount of post spammers we have now.Awww, sorry. Can't do that.
you are pretty arrogant. and also you seem to think that you are GOOD at insulting people, "go cry to your mamma"? what kind of insult is that? are you some kind of gangsta imitation? that's pretty pathetic don't you think?
in any case you're starting to bore me cause you pretty much say the same things over and over again, constantly recycling your comments. And has anyone noticed that this topic has gone from asking if you think the same way that Black-Caped Man does or not to me argueing to some loser who likes to brag about his 8 years here and thinks that he knows what works best.
anyway like I said you're boring me so I probably won't see you again and that makes my day alot brighter so thanks for showing me how stupid some poeple can be when they think that they are superior to others which you CLEARLY aren't
I said that Black-Caped Man's belief was similar to buddhaism and EL Ammo.....called me a "butthurt christfag"......which i guess still counts :|First time I've ever heard that one btw, it made me lol
3. i'm sure teenagers crave sexual lust when they are about 13 or something, thinking about sex all the time instead of love will get you HIV, so yes I have discarded sex from my mind, and no i don't try to get attention sexually because I'll get HIV.
Yes they told me about condoms in school, which is a terrible thing to say to a child or teenager. You wanna know why??
Because it basically tell kids to go out and have sex with a condom so they can be safe. Wearing a condom when you make pseudo love to your partner is basically telling them that you hate them and you don't want to raise a child together and live happily ever after. Sure you would get some protection from HIV, but you would still get what I like to call "mental HIV"
Face it. Sex is a psychological killer. Humans have sex just to fulfill there needs that should not even exist, but memetically speaking they sadly do exist. Humans use the acts of reproduction to have unnecessary sex, and they don't even make love to ensure the survival of the human species only as a responsible decision, people nowadays just do it non-stop; if you disagree then you must be a fool.
Its not that I don't feel that the opposite sex doesn't like, I just don't want to be an STD infected swinger.
My version or idea of "sex" is much much much MUCH more passionate to those of the people I know. Many people I know have sex with their partners just to shut them up or avoid later confrontation of some simple minded obstacle in their lives. Is that moral or love? No. From my point of view, sex has become immature and violent. If you don't believe me, just look at the rape statistics.
People act like they have to always insert their penises into a woman's flower of life everytime to make love; no! Just holding your partner in your arms in your own skin and knowing in both of your minds that you care for each other is considered love making in my book. Reproducing is just a responsible and adult decision in a couple's life.
Uhh...El Ammo I wouldn't suggest telling people to go have sex, especially when they are pretty much against it in the first place. You don't even know how old he is and you're telling him to go have sex and THEN and ONLY then talk about how bad it is....that's pretty pointless and hypocritical for him don't you think?
As well as the fact that since we don't know what his age is, it is a possibility that you could be telling him to break the law (applies if he is under 18) and let's not forget that there is a risk to having sex. I won't say that it's bad but if you just randomly have it with people you barely know or don't care for then you're pretty much asking for alot of trouble.
I believe that Jari was just being sarcastic...
Pray tell, what risk this might be? Risk of getting beat up by an angry boyfriend? He should learn to run faster, in that case.
These new developed urges...
...created from stupidity, make sex so vile and disgusting. I mean come on now, penis enlargement pills (if your partner really does love you, he\she would accept you no matter what) and all these different sexual positions, like anal sex!!!!! Seriously, do you really want faeces on your penis???
And no, I don't need to have sex to find out if I would like it or not, because I already know that I don't like it.
Even if they do have protection, there still at risk, condoms can break ya know. Did I mention the STD's? Below 18.... I take it that none of you've seen a young pregnant teenager struggle psychological, financially, and physically with the burden of her child.
Your trying to intertwine morality with laws. And be honest, some laws are really dumb, and the age of consent one is really dumb. If any of you plan to have kids or already have kids, would you let them go out and have sex with a person they are supposedly in love with before there 18??
The perfect age of consent should really be somewhere in between 25 - 30.
Finally to the point that El Ammo made about womens sexual fantasies.
Of course women have these sexual fantasies because their men or partners have already presented them with sex, so they are bound to end up thinking about doing more explicit things in sex. They are trained by their partners to want more and more sex. And there is always the possibility of their partner having sex with someone else, think of what that could lead to: STD's, rape, and possibly death! Maybe men should actually try and do what I had said to do to make love, who knows it might be much more romantic and passionate, and you might learn something about your partner, rather than having your woman get penetrated by two different guys.
Uugh.. I've had enough of this. Maybe I'm becoming so powerful that I'm taking a whole new route in evolution!!!!!!!!!
whoooooooohoooooooo!!!!!!
Secondly I don't like how you said it...
Well, there's way too damn much to fill you in on. Find yourself a crazy chick without STDs who wants you to choke her out while you're going at it, ignore all thoughts that go like "I shouldn't do this", stop trying to suppress your instincts trying to go against nature, and then read what you just wrote and tell us you still agree. You're not going to.
I'm a pantheist, not an atheist. (there is a difference)
Uugh.. I've had enough of this. Maybe I'm becoming so powerful that I'm taking a whole new route in evolution!!!!!!!!!
whoooooooohoooooooo!!!!!!
Of course women have these sexual fantasies because their men or partners have already presented them with sex, so they are bound to end up thinking about doing more explicit things in sex. They are trained by their partners to want more and more sex. And there is always the possibility of their partner having sex with someone else, think of what that could lead to: STD's, rape, and possibly death! Maybe men should actually try and do what I had said to do to make love, who knows it might be much more romantic and passionate, and you might learn something about your partner, rather than having your woman get penetrated by two different guys.
and all these different sexual positions, like anal sex!!!!! Seriously, do you really want faeces on your penis???
The perfect age of consent should really be somewhere in between 25 - 30.
And my point is that MODERN sex is stupid. Sex wouldn't have gotten to where its at now if so many people hadn't taken it the wrong way.
Oh yeah. By the way. I was just comparing my morals to some religious people I know or know of, not to every single person on the planet. I'm obviously much cooler than Osama bin Laden or Saddam Huessen. They can't even make their God appear to make them Final Fantasy VII mods! hahahahaaa!!
Sorry if I offended anyone!!!!!!!!!!!
'cause there is only one truth. Your own. Amen lol!
Philosophy…but untrue. There is but one ultimate truth, however, this ultimate truth may not be in the mind of some as they may be ignorant to it. Most can only believe what they believe to be true but odds are, they don't know the ultimate truth. Odds are, no human know and never will know. Human existence will end before that time comes. Humans only have approximately 126,000 years before their next known evolutionary accent.
Yes I am 17, seriously, no joke, not even kidding, why would I lie about such a trivial thing??? I see what your trying to do El Ammo (let me reassure you that I'm not trying to be condescending about this) your trying to present me with random information to keep me from proving a point. And my point is that MODERN sex is stupid. Sex wouldn't have gotten to where its at now if so many people hadn't taken it the wrong way.
And El Ammo Bandito:
I dont give a sh*t on how long youve been here. If you have a problem with non-existing paragraphs then thats your eyes problem and not ours, just skip that post. Do you really think anyone of us will react diffenrent if you right something like: "Change this and that numbskull!"? I wouldnt care a penis about that^^
Stay kind and ask friendly. If that doesnt work, then warn the person. If nothing changes, report it to qhimm and have him/her banned.
(I can understand if you are like this in rl however. I also made good experiences with being dark and scary^^However this is not the treatment one should recieve in a Final Fantasy forum. We all play the games, love the games so we all have something to share. :wink:
Now, please people take your time to think about things in life and dont just argue after one second of thinking. Who are you to tell mankind whats wrong or right? Who said that its not our only destiny to have sex and multiply? How we do this is up to us. You cant just decide what humans do wrong or right. RIGHT opinions about anything in life are just illusions created by human brain: I mean if one didnt know ANYTHING about the laws of todays society one could never tell if a murder is something wrong or right. Justice does not exist. It's just a thing humans driven by their thirst for power(which developed out of their hunting/surviving instinct in the humans early days) created to control others(if you do not obey, youre going to jail). No one can tell if something is wrong or right..
..and this is the reason why I dont believe in god. If theres no justice from the origin of the universe on, then there can be no justice for god. I mean whats right for god? and whats considered as a sin? We cant know so we cant know how to ascend to heaven. Theres absolutely nothing that contradicts against this for example: Fight, and the last survivor may enter heavens paradise. Who tells us that this is not what god wants? The Church? hahaha! How should they know? They cant either....so please just write something about your believes and do not criticize others.
And El Ammo Bandito:
I dont give a sh*t on how long youve been here. If you have a problem with non-existing paragraphs then thats your eyes problem and not ours, just skip that post. Do you really think anyone of us will react diffenrent if you right something like: "Change this and that numbskull!"? I wouldnt care a penis about that^^
Stay kind and ask friendly. If that doesnt work, then warn the person. If nothing changes, report it to qhimm and have him/her banned.
(I can understand if you are like this in rl however. I also made good experiences with being dark and scary^^However this is not the treatment one should recieve in a Final Fantasy forum. We all play the games, love the games so we all have something to share.
You obviously have it all figured out in your little head, who am I to rain on your parade?
And El Ammo at least TRY to refrain from the whole namecalling thing cuz we're not 12 anymore right? hopefully not, i'm not talking about the last comment you just made since it was Black Caped Man who stimulated a response but it still could have been handled much more appropriately
Wow, so you spend the majority of your post stating how in "societies rules" we don't know what is wrong or right. All "El Ammo" does is point out rules that are being broken, that are clearly stated on these forums, and you chastise him for that? Why, because he's mean? Cry me a river.It's not that he reacts, it's the way how he reacts. If he believes that being rude is something good then I dont mind.....
Now, please people take your time to think about things in life and dont just argue after one second of thinking. Who are you to tell mankind whats wrong or right? Who said that its not our only destiny to have sex and multiply? How we do this is up to us. You cant just decide what humans do wrong or right. RIGHT opinions about anything in life are just illusions created by human brain: I mean if one didnt know ANYTHING about the laws of todays society one could never tell if a murder is something wrong or right. Justice does not exist. It's just a thing humans driven by their thirst for power(which developed out of their hunting/surviving instinct in the humans early days) created to control others(if you do not obey, youre going to jail). No one can tell if something is wrong or right..
Im just intrested in the believes of...
Beliefs!!!!
Good job with the whole "necroposter" thing, seriously that was sad. And more to the point what "rule" was El Ammo pointing out? Because as i remember it he started everything by critisizing how i made my paragraphs way back on the 3rd page or something.
Also I care if somebody is mean and so do millions of other people. you think nobody would say anything if we were all in a room saying this rather than doing it via internet forums?
I think they would have thrown you out of the said room long time ago, for being a whinyass b*tch.