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Title: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Yuffie_Lover on 2009-06-19 04:22:57
Its been on my mind.. since the moment i learned Tifa was wearing a Mini Skirt and not shorts...(Which was like a few hours ago xD)
How is it possible to do a kick  flip in a mini skirt! she must have skills not the show anything "unwanted" off... i mean i wouldn't be able to pull it off..  :roll:

Well yeah.. who else finds this kind of.... OUT THERE lol..

And Guys please don't be pervy about this! i have had enough of that.. people just ruin the Final Fantasy Characters.. by making them into

well bluntly "Sex Symbols"

So yeah.. back on topic
pointless as it may be.. i am just bored xD.

I hope I don't get flamed for this, lol.


So is it realistic?
Cause, i don't think it is..  :-P
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: obesebear on 2009-06-19 05:09:18
It's more realistic than holding a red rock and hoping knights from the 12th century will show up to vanquish your foes.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Yuffie_Lover on 2009-06-19 05:11:56
lol.. i suppose..
but how is materia realistic to begin with?
Don't get me wrong.. i love materia!
:D
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 10:10:00
And Guys please don't be pervy about this! i have had enough of that.. people just ruin the Final Fantasy Characters.. by making them into

well bluntly "Sex Symbols"

How can you make something that would look something like this...

(http://borgborg.org/TifaLockhart.jpg)

...in real life - except with larger bewbs, of course - into a more of a sex symbol than she was intended by Nomura?

Hate to ruin your innocence, but Tifa is a slut a normal female video game character; made to appeal to males.

As for realistic... well, there are wimmenz who like to tease, in real life as well.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-19 11:16:10
yuffie,  you are correct that it is blatant sexing up of  a character for the most brain dead among the male population.  I don't like it myself.  But there are tarts around in real life too who wear that type of thing.  But Tifa's character doesn't strike me as that type of person so the dress isn't realistic to the character.   (perhaps we can mod some proper clothing on her)

Flips should be the least of your concern though, there is a part where they are in a cell in the shinra building where she shows cloud everything

 :-D

If I remember rightly, the writers wanted a contrast to the lady like Aerith.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 11:47:15
But Tifa's character doesn't strike me as that type of person so the dress isn't realistic to the character.   (perhaps we can mod some proper clothing on her)

Yes please, a habit would be nice.

You know, Cloud's swords are awfully large too, no doubt there's some Freudian thing behind that. Perhaps you'd like to make them smaller? You know, since they are not realistic at all, and besides; I'm willing to bet money that you think Cloud wouldn't walk around waving some huge metaphor for a massive man meat? :-D

Apologies to Yuffie_Lover for the mental image. :lol: But seriously, it's not terribly far fetched to see both Cloud's and Sephiroth's overgrown kitchen utensils as an analogy for their masculinity.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-19 11:57:57
There is a difference between a sword and  clothing which doesn't fit personality.

In fact in advent children (for the most part) she is dressed very differently.  Less obviously tarted up.  A sword doesnt reflect personality but clothing does...a  lot.  very basic logic ammo...you know...basic ;)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-19 12:09:44
Ah, I see.

I'd await to hear the logic behind this reasoning of yours with bated breath, but I have no wish to suffocate.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: koral on 2009-06-20 13:36:14
This is a really strange question  :lol:

Ofcourse it isn't realistic  :-P

But Squaresoft did well not to "exploit" this as much as, say Team-Ninja, might have.


I find El Ammo Bandito's "FF7 sword masculinity theory" hilarious  :lol:.
Definitly not the case, otherwise the female characters would also have some other specially designed weapons of "special" sizes and/or shapes.
Tifa would most certainly be reliant on her fists to say the very least

There are far too many reasons why Tifa is the way she is

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2746/ff7tifa.jpg) (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/ff7tifa.jpg/)

Nomura has stated he couldn't decide if Tifa should wear (mini)shorts (like Rikku's) or a miniskirt, but he went for a miniskirt in the end.

You can understand why he had thought of shorts: she is a country-girl, and shorts would have strengthened the look, noting she also has a buckle-straps, a simple ponytail, and favours simple colours (black, white and reddy-brown).

Her larger-than-average chest is more a charactertistic of her individuality rather than a focused attempt at sex-appeal.
Her top and her personality could have been far more "expressive" but they were not.

On balance, she probably has the most skin showing for any other characters in FF7 (ignoring wrestlers, swimmers, and beach-going people) which results people assuming she was designed ONLY to serve for sex-appeal.

I dont know about anyone else, but to me, she is designed for 1/4 sex-appeal, and 3/4 for personality.
But because her sex-appeal is slightly more than anyone elses, people assume that was the ONLY reason she was designed for  :-)


And cosplayers and doujinshi artists have a field-day because of the usual hentai stereotype connotations:
a sexually-appealing woman with an undecisive personality = very easily exploited

(no, I dont watch or read that kind of stuff, I just stumble across them at random. I feel so sorry for Japanese women, their society shows no respect and no remorse. It is sickening to say the least :x )
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-20 14:08:02
I find El Ammo Bandito's "FF7 sword masculinity theory" hilarious  :lol:.
Definitly not the case, otherwise the female characters would also have some other specially designed weapons of "special" sizes and/or shapes.

:-D

Not necessarily, at least Freud was big on penises and penis envy, not so much with female parts.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Yuffie_Lover on 2009-06-21 03:28:51
The title of this thread... was sarcastic...
I wanted people to know my out rage!
Tifa is one of my favorite characters... and they made her into a "slut"
when she is most obviously isn't one!
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-21 07:39:49
It was most likely her tactic for drawing customers to her bar.  When Reno destroyed Sector 7, all her changes of clothes were destroyed along with her home in Midgar, so she went looking like a slut for the rest of the game.  None of the towns she visited had Marks and Spencers or anything like that where she could buy new clothes...

Sorry, I just thought that would be a witty comment :-)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Ryushikaze on 2009-06-21 12:49:11
I fail to see how the mini makes her a slut in the slightest. Especially if she's wearing bloomers or other sports clothing underneath.

Hell, she's wearing one of the longer skirts, all told, of the FF heroines who actually wear skirts. Longest of the ones who aren't wearing full length ones as far as I can tell. Selphie on the other hand flashes the panties just standing around. Does this make her a slut? No, not in the slightest either.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Kudistos Megistos on 2009-06-21 13:00:54
It was most likely her tactic for drawing customers to her bar.

This could actually be a good reason for her dressing like that.  :-D

She's a barmaid at quite a "questionable" pub in the slums; it's possible that she could be a perfectly nice girl and still have to dress like that to get any business and make a living thanks to unfortunate circumstances.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the concern is with realism. It's Final Fantasy after all ;-)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-21 14:42:13
I fail to see how the mini makes her a slut in the slightest. Especially if she's wearing bloomers or other sports clothing underneath.

Hell, she's wearing one of the longer skirts, all told, of the FF heroines who actually wear skirts. Longest of the ones who aren't wearing full length ones as far as I can tell. Selphie on the other hand flashes the panties just standing around. Does this make her a slut? No, not in the slightest either.

She is wearing a leather miniskirt with a very tight top.  She is showing about as much flesh as she possibly can and has deliberately been made to have huge tits.  Not just that there are 2 FMV's where she is shown in deliberate sexually provokative situations.  If someone saw someone like her walking down the street they would think she was a slut.   Someone like her would never dress that way, it is extremely unlikely.  It would be like a macho man wearing pink.

The fact that so many gamers make tons of Hentai about her and discussions fawning over her dress is ample proof of what the very large majority of the community feel about her and yuffie is typical of the female reaction.  I don't think dressing her like that does anything for the credibility of games or stories, it simply tries to get a few more fans from the less than intelligent lower end males.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Ryushikaze on 2009-06-21 15:12:26
You are aware there's a butt ton of Aerith and Selphie porn as well? 'Porn of her' speaks only to her overall popularity, not what folks actually think about her. I mean hell, the sheer amount of Belldandy of AMG porn alone...

And I again see no issue with the skirt and shirt combo. There's nothing inherently slutty about it. It completely covers her torso, and her skirt is still one of the longest non floor skirts worn in the overall FF series.
Also, which two 'deliberately provocative FMVs' are you talking about? In none of them is she being deliberately provocative.

And real macho men aren't afraid of and do wear pink, man.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: koral on 2009-06-21 15:19:43
This isn't a question of realism, but more a question of perception.
We will never know what the real reasons for Amano and Nomura designing her the way she is, but it is clear that FF7-FF9 have character designs which are less sexually charged than in later games.

I believe thery may have been unsure of the technology at the time of FF7 and in their attempt at designing bold yet simple character designs for the PSX, they discovered too late that her sex-appeal multiplied exponentially. You can just about imagine how, if FF7 had been developed for SNES, Tifa would have been cute, chubby little sprite with a largish bust.

They may have tried to make up for this in FF8 with Rinoa, who had very little skin exposed in contrast to how lead women are usually represented in video-games.

It may be wise to remember at this point how much her designed changed in Advent Children, another attempt on their parts to atone for their mistake in FF7.

So as far as I am concerned, she isn't a "slut", regardless of what other people (or even the original game media like FMVs) may say
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: obesebear on 2009-06-21 16:06:09
It may be wise to remember at this point how much her designed changed in Advent Children, another attempt on their parts to atone for their mistake in FF7.


I saw an interview about this where they stated something like her being far too "curvy" to appropriately put in the movie so they had to tone her down some.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-21 16:16:44
The basic facts are these:

1.  Huge tits
2.  Short skirt
3.  Tight top showing as much as possible.
4.  FMV showing more "cheeky" angles
5.  A backlash by some in female community
6.  We are debating this.
7.  unlikely that Tifa's character would wear that dress outside of 7th Heaven.  She isn't a slut and I don't know any girls or women who wear that dress....so yes, it is mighty unrealistic for a character.

**  note I did meet 1 girl who wore a short leather skirt, and she was pregnant at age 16. I don't live in particularly decent neighbourhood.

Lara croft was another....
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-21 16:31:18
6.  We are debating this.

Circular reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning), if you are trying to imply that she's a slut because of that.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-06-21 22:30:06
I'm sorry, but I oppose any attempt to change Tifa at all. She's not a slut - no matter how she's dressed. Playing through the game tells you this.

I don't really care how unrealistic the idea is that she would wear those clothes because its a frakking game set in a fictional world with fictional characters. So what if she has big boobs? Really, the idea that we should mod more clothes onto her is ridiculous.

My Tifa's just fine the way she is, thank you very much. Her style kicks ass as is. No matter how skimpily dressed she is, she'd still kick ass. There are skimpier characters in the FF series.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-22 00:28:17

My Tifa's just fine the way she is,

She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".  The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

This was a question on realism and it is not realistic.  We can all say whether we enjoy it or have any problem with it, but on realism, no.  it isn't.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-22 00:54:47

My Tifa's just fine the way she is,
I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".

/facepalm
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-06-22 01:08:18

My Tifa's just fine the way she is,

She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".  The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

This was a question on realism and it is not realistic.  We can all say whether we enjoy it or have any problem with it, but on realism, no.  it isn't.

Its Final Fantasy. At what point is it supposed to be realistic?

I'm disagreeing with you here. There are sluttier dressed Final Fantasy characters. How can you guarantee what my first thought when I saw Tifa was exactly? Were you there, in my head when I saw her for the first time? What I can guarantee you is that I've never thought of Tifa as a slutty character. I can honestly say I saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed until I started reading about how sexy people thought she was online. I've just never seen her that way.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-22 01:39:54
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Its Final Fantasy. At what point is it supposed to be realistic?

This is a common problem with debates about these games and a common misconception.  Although FF7 is a fantasy game it relies totally on certain REALISTIC features.  For example, there is gravity.   This is a realistic element and without it they would have to devise a new idea and if nothing was explained why your characters flew around (i.e. no explanation at all)  you would think "that is unrealistic"

Point 1.  A Fantasy does have realistic elements. There happens to be human beings in the game...if I decided to stab one in the story (not battle) and they didn't almost die (see tifa)  there would be no drama.  If Aerith jumped up laughing after Sephiroth stabbed her, that would be unrealistic, fantasy or not.
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There are sluttier dressed Final Fantasy characters. How can you guarantee what my first thought when I saw Tifa was exactly? Were you there, in my head when I saw her for the first time?

It is a logical assumption.   It doesn't require any proof because it is totally logical.  We have been brought up with 2 eyes in our heads and common knowledge.  if a girl like Tifa walked about the streets she would be assumed as a hooker/pro.  That really isn't in question here.

Point 2:  Just because this is a fantasy it is dealing with CHARCTERS which are HUMAN.  They are directly based on personalities found in REAL life.  Therefore, their dress is every bit as inportant as it would be in the real world.

We weren't asked if there were sluttier characters (although you would be hard pressed to find one as badly dressed as Tifa vs her personality). We were asked if it was realiistic.  And since she is based on real life humans, no it isn't realistic to believe she walks around like that.


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 I've just never seen her that way.

You are rare. Also who do you have in mind as worse dressed/designed than Tifa?
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-06-22 02:10:24
Your reasoning is flawed. Of course it relies on realistic features and elements, but much the rest is unrealistic. Magic, for example. Wearing the same outfits everyday for the entire game. An alien called Jenova. You mentioned (yet again, you told me "I would think") gravity and how unrealistic it would be for characters to be flying around with no explanation. Did you see Advent Children?

Yuffie's outfit shows only very slightly less skin than Tifa's does. No one goes on about how slutty she is. I'm of the opinion that it would be unrealistic for Tifa NOT to have big boobs. If all three female playable characters had tiny mosquito bites, would that really be an accurate representation of the feminine population? Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

I must be rare then, either that or you make assumptions about everyone elses judgement based on your own reasoning. What is it about this situation that makes you totally unable to accept a viewpoint that does not completely echo your own?

In short - its not realistic. But that was not my original point. My original point was that I didn't see Tifa as slutty and that I opposed any attempt to change her. I like her the way she is. I have no problem with the way she is.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-22 02:16:10

Yuffie's outfit shows only very slightly less skin than Tifa's does. No one goes on about how slutty she is.

Yuffie wears shorts and a proper top.  She does not wear a ridicukously short skirt, she has not been made to have ridiculously large breasts,  and her dress is nowhere near as bad as tifas.  She is not shown in provacative FMV.  She is not singled out for a very good reason.  She doesn't look anywhere near as bad as Tifa.

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I'm of the opinion that it would be unrealistic for Tifa NOT to have big boobs.

????

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Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

That doesn't really deserve an answer.  Realism matters in any story or it wouldn;t be a good story.  There are always set laws.  The excuse "it is just a video game"  is a very poor argument.  If aerith was able to get up after Sephirioths stab we would all shout cop out and rightly so.  The idea that anything can happen in a story and it doesn't matter is only true if you like crap story.

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In short - its not realistic.

That was the question asked.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-22 02:27:06
It is a logical assumption.   It doesn't require any proof because it is totally logical.  We have been brought up with 2 eyes in our heads and common knowledge.  if a girl like Tifa walked about the streets she would be assumed as a hooker/pro.  That really isn't in question here.

Yes, it is in question. I'd be a) most happy to see female dressed like that b) curious about her reasons for the said outfit. But I wouldn't assume she's for sale, or even loose, for that matter. I would assume that she likes attention, yes, but that's not terribly uncommon or particularly bad.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-06-22 02:33:44
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Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

That doesn't really deserve an answer.  Realism matters in any story or it wouldn;t be a good story.  There are always set laws.  The excuse "it is just a video game"  is a very poor argument.  If aerith was able to get up after Sephirioths stab we would all shout cop out and rightly so.  The idea that anything can happen in a story and it doesn't matter is only true if you like crap story.

I noticed you ignored the parts of my post you can't argue with.  :lol:

If it didn't deserve an answer, why did you give it one?

You should really learn to let other people have an opinion.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: MrAdults on 2009-06-22 02:40:07
You've all been operating on a bit of a bad postulation here. After all, never has sexual intercourse between characters in the FF7 universe even been defined in an official work. It's unknown as to whether the characters even have human genitals. Perhaps they're entirely genderless, and babies are born when two people love each other and the lifestream blesses them with the gift of life. It's awfully hard to be a slut when you don't have genitals to abuse, you know. We just don't know!

After all, the Don seemed content to move in on all of his harlot victims while fully-clothed. From this, the only known precdent for a raw sexual advance, we would have to conclude that FF7 characters, if there is some form of intercourse implied, do engage in this intercourse without exposing any part of their so-called genitals. This would mean that a woman's sexuality would not at all be judged by the amount of skin she exposes.

Furthermore, did you see any knocked up teenagers or single women in Midgar? In the entire world of FF7? I know I didn't. In exploring an entire civilization, with rampant sexuality like this, there would surely be young women suffering at the hands of their own untempered lust. But there weren't any!

Of course, the actual, not-entirely-mocking point this brings about is - you cannot judge a character's character in a purely fantasy universe, with accepted social standards much different from real world social standards, by real world social standards. That would be dumb. ;)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 02:40:58
Women dress up like that all the time here. I don't see the big deal, apart from the fact that it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

Tifa is a barmaid, it's natural that she'd want to show a little skin. Helps with tips and such. Doesn't make her a slut, much less a hooker.

Also, Tifa is nowhere near the most skimpily dressed FF female, nor is she anywhere near the first to be at least that skimpily dressed. Rosa, Rydia, Terra, Celes, Selphie, Beatrix, Garnet, Yuna, Rikku, Lulu, Fran, Ashe, and Penelo have all been routinely depicted wearing less clothing, or more revealing clothing, than Tifa.

Finally, it's as close to canonically established as possible that Cloud and Tifa have sex under the Highwind, but that doesn't make either of them "sluts," given that they've been in love with each other since their childhood and have only just come to realise each other's mutual affection. Given that the planet, for all they know, is just about to be destroyed, it's pretty natural that they'd want to consummate their relationship.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-22 02:47:15
it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 02:51:12
Obviously because I have an aesthetic appreciation of the female form, I must be a "basic male."
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-22 02:51:44
it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?

I think you are the one they refer to as holier-than-thou?
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 02:54:38
Pretty typical really. I contribute constructively to a debate about FFVII and the only thing I get from him in return is a flame. And yet, according to him, we're the aggressors.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: obesebear on 2009-06-22 02:55:25
You've all been operating on a bit of a bad postulation here. After all, never has sexual intercourse between characters in the FF7 universe even been defined in an official work. It's unknown as to whether the characters even have human genitals. Perhaps they're entirely genderless, and babies are born when two people love each other and the lifestream blesses them with the gift of life. It's awfully hard to be a slut when you don't have genitals to abuse, you know. We just don't know!

After all, the Don seemed content to move in on all of his harlot victims while fully-clothed. From this, the only known precdent for a raw sexual advance, we would have to conclude that FF7 characters, if there is some form of intercourse implied, do engage in this intercourse without exposing any part of their so-called genitals. This would mean that a woman's sexuality would not at all be judged by the amount of skin she exposes.

Furthermore, did you see any knocked up teenagers or single women in Midgar? In the entire world of FF7? I know I didn't. In exploring an entire civilization, with rampant sexuality like this, there would surely be young women suffering at the hands of their own untempered lust. But there weren't any!

Of course, the actual, not-entirely-mocking point this brings about is - you cannot judge a character's character in a purely fantasy universe, with accepted social standards much different from real world social standards, by real world social standards. That would be dumb. ;)

This gave me a good chuckle, lol.  I never went around looking for the single mom's, but on my next playthrough I sure will.

it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?

Once you've had at least two or three girlfriends you'll understand.   Please, V, there's no need for defending yourself here.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: DLPB_ on 2009-06-22 03:00:29
Why is that always the best comeback people have?  I have been in 3 long term relationships and I understand maturity...you obviously don't because you are wanking over Tifa.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 03:07:03
I haven't fapped to video game characters for at least five years. Try again.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: MrAdults on 2009-06-22 03:15:50
I hope it was at least concept art. 5 years ago, character triangle counts were still so low. Most games couldn't even do hardware-accelerated vertex skinning. What a turn-off.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Ryushikaze on 2009-06-22 03:22:13
She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".

Not in the slightest. In fact, it never even came up once during the game. In fact, my first thought about her appearance was 'Yep, she looks like a lego, same as the others' and my first thought regarding her FMV appearance enjoyed what I was looking at, but I did not think her a slut for it.
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The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

You still act like the outfit, a skirt and a sleeveless top are somehow objectionable.
And no, the shirt does not 'show as much as possibe', it doesn't show anything.

Her skirt is, as I've said several times now, one of the longest FF females in the habit of wearing non floor length dresses/ skirts wears.

I'm curious how the angles of the FMV make her a slut. Does the camera giving us a deliberate view of Selphie's panties in FMV and often during battle make her a slut?

And there are plenty of women who defend her outfit to, not seeing anything objectionable about it at all.

It's a Tank Top, Pencil mini, suspenders, a belt, and some heavy boots. Seriously, what is slutty about any of that?
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 03:41:39
You jerk of to 3D models? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAhahaahahhahahahhahaAHHHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That deserved a laugh...I can model a nice FF7 character model if you want. How do you want her to look...pathetic..that is like jerking of to one of my speakers...
Incidentally, who is this post directed at? I don't think anyone has ever claimed to jerk off to 3d models. Unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 04:19:53
I'm quite sure you'll note that that post explicitly says that I no longer do that, and haven't for at least five years. And more importantly, where does it say anything about anyone fapping to character models? As MrAdults pointed out, character models are hardly the only representation of video game characters out there.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: MrAdults on 2009-06-22 04:26:09
Speaking of social intuition and sensibility... mentioning you used to jerk off to videogame characters on a forum with people you don't really know, usually in the "less than great idea" category. ;) Not that I personally judge, but, you know.

As a side note, taking this debate seriously is totally insane. But I suppose it bleeds into something a bit more serious, the nature of the character personality. But as many people have pointed out, the Tifa personality doesn't fit a slut outfit - but it isn't a slut outfit. Because you can't judge it by real world social standards. :)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 04:32:12
So you did jerk of to this image?
nope, try again

Speaking of social intuition and sensibility... mentioning you used to jerk off to videogame characters on a forum with people you don't really know, usually in the "less than great idea" category.
If I particularly cared what people thought of the person I was five years ago, I wouldn't have done it :p
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-06-22 06:08:44
As a side note, taking this debate seriously is totally insane. But I suppose it bleeds into something a bit more serious, the nature of the character personality. But as many people have pointed out, the Tifa personality doesn't fit a slut outfit - but it isn't a slut outfit. Because you can't judge it by real world social standards. :)

Agreement, its starting to get a bit too serious. * Throws in the towel *

Anyways, video games are like cartoons. Very rarely are they even the slightest bit realistic, until recently with SOCOM esque games. So it just depends on a person's opinion sometimes.

And where did this veer off into a conversation about Tifa being slutty? Why would anybody think that? It's like a love triangle romance that brings a sort of sadness to the fact the AERIS dies and Cloud is depressed so he won't be with Tifa. I didn't think his impression was " Hey Tifa, wanna fuck you slutty bitch you?".

Maybe I'm wrong?
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-22 06:19:00
AERIS

Was that really necessary?  This is a different argument.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Yuffie_Lover on 2009-06-22 06:26:02
to be politically correct
it is now

Aeris/Aerith

:P

jking
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-22 06:48:04
By the way, you stated on the first page of this thread that Tifa is one of your favorite characters.  But your username is Yuffie_Lover.  So I'm guessing she's higher up on your list of favorite characters.  It gets me wondering... where is Aerith on that list?

That was off-topic, I'm sorry.

I personally never saw Tifa as a slut.  When I first saw her in the game, she was so blocky (just like everyone else) so her clothing wasn't something I noticed right away.  I got to like her for her personality pretty early in the game, and by the time I realized exactly what she was wearing, it didn't affect my impression of her because I already knew her to be anything but a slut.

But I do think her slight appearance change in Advent Children was an improvement.  I don't know why, but they made her look like some sort of babysitter, which was basically a part of her role in the movie (looking after Marlene and Denzel).  I also found that I prefered her black, waist-length hair over her old, brown hair that could almost touch the ground.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-06-22 06:49:39
he he well you know that was actually a very assholish thing to do, and it wasn't necessary. Sorry lol.

And yes Yuffie lover, i suppose Aeris/Aerith could work, and I shouldn't bring up topics that the admins felt necessary to close. So apologies.

And I did argue my point, not just throw in here and make a mess.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Yuffie_Lover on 2009-06-22 06:58:41
my favorites are
Yuffie
Cloud (dissidia*original* look is my favorite)
Tifa
Aeris
 The Turks as  whole (elena, Tseng, reeve, Rufus, rude, reno.)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-22 07:01:33
i suppose Aeris/Aerith could work

Dang it!  Aeris/Aerith is twelve characters long!  It doesn't fit in the 9-character limit for custom names in FF7!! :x

Do excuse me.  I occasionally experience these bursts of randomness :-)

Edit: My list looks something more like this:
Aeris/Aerith
The Turks (especially Rufus, though he doesn't really count as a Turk...)
Tifa
Cloud
Yuffie <----- sorry, but I've yet to forgive that materia freak for depriving me of my magic.
That was just in case you cared to know :-)
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-06-22 07:04:20
Oh well just do a wuick Aeris/th! that should fix it  :lol:

Hmm yes.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 07:28:30
Which character did you do it to then? I'm just curious, don't tell me it was Cloud or Barret :lol:
It wasn't, and this line of discussion has been followed as far as it's going to go.

And Seifer started the slut debate by claiming that clothing choices reflected personality.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-22 09:30:20
And Seifer started the slut debate by claiming that clothing choices reflected personality.

Choice of clothing do reflect personality to some extent in real life.  Not so much in fiction, because strictly speaking, the characters themselves are not the ones that chose their clothing.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Izban on 2009-06-22 09:47:06
people forget that that ist a game but on the side of realism the shorter the skirt the more mobility expecial if said skirt is leather as leather is slightly more constricting then just about any cloth i can think of, why leather for the skirt well leather doenst ride as much, hotpants mini skirt which do you think bends easier

as to tifa being a slut well thats just not right she's a country chick as reflected by the cowboy hat in the flashback as a country person you have a tendancy to dress for comfort and mobility. style really has nothing to do with it the fact that she wear the suspender to keep her skirt up and shirt down also point to the fact that shes slightly more conservative then initail impression implys

as for the hooker comment well if shes a hooker WTF are her transparant platform heels I ask you this

Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: V on 2009-06-22 10:40:33
And Seifer started the slut debate by claiming that clothing choices reflected personality.

Choice of clothing do reflect personality to some extent in real life.  Not so much in fiction, because strictly speaking, the characters themselves are not the ones that chose their clothing.

Personality? Really? Choice of clothing is a choice, often influenced by aesthetic or sociological concerns. For example, a person concerned about the more unfair aspects of globalisation might care less about the appearance of their clothing than whether it were fair trade. Similarly, there are all kinds of t-shirts that may reflect various interests people may have. By contrast personality is pretty much ingrained, though there are some conscious choices that affect it - one's choice to use or not use various illicit substances, for example. I don't really see how such traits as how outgoing someone is would affect their choices in clothing. Maybe you meant something else by "personality."

But yeah, implying sexual promiscuity from choices of clothing, which is what the thread quickly devolved into, is pretty absurd. In this case, it's quite plausible that Tifa shows skin because it gets her better tips as a barmaid. That'd be pretty plausible in the real world too.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-22 14:11:51
The only point I meant to make by that post was that one's choice of clothing is affected by personality.  Say that I am a typical male teenager who thinks death is cool, and I wear t-shirts with skulls and blood on them everywhere I go.  My choice of clothing would reflect that aspect of my character - I think death rocks!

The above is merely an example that happens to be untowardly stereotypical of teenagers, and I am nothing like that.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Prince Lex on 2009-06-22 21:12:52
MrAdults - in his previous 2 posts - has basically said exactly what I wanted to say on the subject, though for some reason I wasn't able to articulate it quite as well.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: guitar_dudester91 on 2009-06-23 04:48:03
It's a fucking video game character. A video game character. Her personality doesn't mean shit. She was programmed, i don't think the developers thought she was a slut.

This has gone a little over the edge.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-23 05:57:07
...

I guess we'll just leave that to conclude the thread, then.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Chocobo on 2009-06-24 05:40:16
Final Fantasy has the word 'Fantasy' in it... But it is like the futuristic? Real world.

Why are we going on about Tifa being a slut/sex model when this topic is about how can Tifa do that limit break in the game with a mini skirt. (I thought she was wearing shorts, too.)

Put it this way:
People who think Tifa is 'hot' are people who don't have a girlfriend IRL, and therefore consult to pixels, cyber flirting, and the like. Cyber flirting by saying they have huge muscles, etc etc, and going 'HEY HONEY!!!11'. Or shit.


Anyway, I dunno if Tifa can do really do it... Her skirt still looks like a pair of shorts.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-24 06:39:38
Yeah, I always thought she was wearing shorts and I prefer that idea over the mini skirt.  However, people who think Tifa is "hot"... don't you think they should be allowed to think that without being judged as single guys who cyber flirt?

But as guitar_dudester91 said, this is all quite unimportant.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Chocobo on 2009-06-24 10:09:46
It's just my opinion about people who think Tifa is hot. Yes, she may be in Advent Children (because of the CGI graphics, or whatever.) But in the game? I must now result to those weird smileys... Uhh... This one will do... -.-

Well, I guess you have a point there, Seer. Quite a lot of guys could think Tifa is 'hot' whilst having a life and a GF (etc etc.) . I just think most people who think that Tifa is 'hot' are nerds who cyber flirt on the internet.

Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: The Seer of Shadows on 2009-06-24 10:59:25
You're free to think that.  I was actually taking into account her AC appearance, because she is undeniably quite good looking in that film... but if people are falling in love with her FF7 lego-like field model... I must admit, that is worrying.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Jari on 2009-06-24 11:21:46
Hey, I thought that "&" was pretty darn hot! :wink:

That would be a succubus (or any other demon, for that matter) in NetHack, which uses entirely ASCII-based presentation. Its kinda sad that I have to explain this, but somehow I doubt that even half of you kids have ever played it.

Point being; it's called imagination. Either you have it, or you don't.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: Opine on 2009-06-25 17:08:00
Just to throw in my own comment on the Tifa's Skirt Issue: It could be a skort. In that case she could wear something that is a skirt - without flashing anything - because it just might have shorts attached to it.

Also, for some reason whenever I played it, I always pictured that like she just got called out to help Avalanche right in the middle of changing for work after having left training at the gym.
Short skirt - bartending in a slum, gotta make tips somehow.
Sports bra - Zangan-Ryu doesn't train itself.
Title: Re: Is It Realistic?
Post by: ultima espio on 2009-06-25 17:43:37
I'm quite offended that someone would call Tifa a slut. It is actually a bit sad to call a video game character a slut, unless that character was designed to be one. Tifa was not, she was a contrast to the lady like Aerith.

Slut in the dictionary:

slut
–noun
1.    a dirty, slovenly woman.
2.    an immoral or dissolute woman; prostitute.

I dont think Tifa fits that. Do you?

Thats my 2 cents on this :-P I'm not gonna argue with it, think what you want really. :|