Most of the crap from last night was culled without question.
basically 1 or 2 members here get to do and say what they like...and rather than a mod doing anything about it, they allow those membrs to continue baiting and that was the result. I do not blame Hermoor.
I notice yet another load sof threads here that should be long gone are still around. This is prob the worst run forum I have ever been to, esp since the admin pallies up to the trolls
LMAO
What I am most surprised at is the level of tolerance most here have to it.
basically 1 or 2 members here get to do and say what they like...and rather than a mod doing anything about it, they allow those membrs to continue baiting and that was the result. I do not blame Hermoor.50+
I notice yet another load sof threads here that should be long gone are still around. This is prob the worst run forum I have ever been to, esp since the admin pallies up to the trolls
LMAO
What I am most surprised at is the level of tolerance most here have to it.
I do not blame Hermoor.
I've never really laughed at something on the internet until now, and thought I should share :-)
No, there was no laughter, I more felt bad for him than amused.I've never really laughed at something on the internet until now, and thought I should share :-)
Dude, you totally laughed at the Kim Novak ordeal. (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=9041.msg120786#msg120786) That was HILLARIOUS!
You don't blame Hermoor? For spamming the whole place with porn? Did the other innocent qhimm members and admin ask for it? No, I don't believe they ever did.
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Yes they did ask for it....because they sit back and allow members to be abused whilst actually applauding the trolls in some circumstances. People get what they deserve. Whilst I had no part in it, I couldn't help but sympathise.
One more thing: It's called "baiting" for a reason. The fish that are foolish enough to go for the worm get hooked, reeled in, and cooked for dinner. Moral of the story: Do not bite the bait. Swim away instead, so that you may continue to live. Although fishermen are evil, you can't defeat them unless you drag them into the water first. It looks like you'd have to be pretty good to be able to manage that with Ammo, I must say...
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This is the problem around here, it has members like yourself who sit around saying "ignore it", how long do you want someone to ignore it? Trolls like the ones here don't leave you alone and as hermoor found out it is always the next target that gets it. Telling people to move on is pathetic because that is how you lose decent members (5-6 since the troll began his work).
The fact you have the gall to have a go at me and not the main culprit around here shows you are a man with absolutely no bollicks whatsoever. It is easy to sit there and tell people what they should do when you aren't the victim. And now you are whinging that you are suffering consequences by the latest person to get sick of it? Spot the irony.
You don't blame Hermoor? For spamming the whole place with porn? Did the other innocent qhimm members and admin ask for it? No, I don't believe they ever did.
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Yes they did ask for it....because they sit back and allow members to be abused whilst actually applauding the trolls in some circumstances. People get what they deserve. Whilst I had no part in it, I couldn't help but sympathise.
One more thing: It's called "baiting" for a reason. The fish that are foolish enough to go for the worm get hooked, reeled in, and cooked for dinner. Moral of the story: Do not bite the bait. Swim away instead, so that you may continue to live. Although fishermen are evil, you can't defeat them unless you drag them into the water first. It looks like you'd have to be pretty good to be able to manage that with Ammo, I must say...
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This is the problem around here, it has members like yourself who sit around saying "ignore it", how long do you want someone to ignore it? Trolls like the ones here don't leave you alone and as hermoor found out it is always the next target that gets it. Telling people to move on is pathetic because that is how you lose decent members (5-6 since the troll began his work).
The fact you have the gall to have a go at me and not the main culprit around here shows you are a man with absolutely no bollicks whatsoever. It is easy to sit there and tell people what they should do when you aren't the victim. And now you are whinging that you are suffering consequences by the latest person to get sick of it? Spot the irony.
If you think that Hermoor was the victim, or that he didn't deserve everything he got, and more, I find it very hard to believe that you have looked at what has gone on objectively.
I had a word with hermoor about it but he was provoked into that situation with same old baiting over the weeks beforehand. Frankly, I have seen first hand what goes on here, so who you want me to believe?
The very basic fact is this:
If modding was working properly, there would be no way to spam this forum or for arguments to get this far. So we can all blame the management as that is where it squarely lies. End of.
he was provoked into that situation with same old baiting over the weeks beforehand.
he provoked that situation with same old baiting over the weeks beforehand.
Quote from: chocofeather on Today at 02:05:11No that is wrong kudistos, we all know who started this mess. It was in the FFX thread that you started it after I said that FFVII was overratedd. After that you went crazy and started to defend why it was the most awesome game ever. Then I said sephiroth is goth, which he is, and I think that in a negative way. Then you went even more crazy because it appears you have been a former goth yourself.
he was provoked into that situation with same old baiting over the weeks beforehand.
Oh Christ. embarassed
That sentence would be true if a couple of words were taken out.
Quote from: chocofeather on Today at 02:05:11
he provoked that situation with same old baiting over the weeks beforehand.
All of the sh*t was started by him, every single bit of it.
No that is wrong kudistos, we all know who started this mess. It was in the FFX thread that you started it after I said that FFVII was overratedd. After that you went crazy and started to defend why it was the most awesome game ever. Then I said sephiroth is goth, which he is, and I think that in a negative way. Then you went even more crazy because it appears you have been a former goth yourself.
Then I called cloud emo...and the game to be very depressive and dark. Which in turn attracts goths and emos to it, as well as self destructive fan boys and teenagers...then everyone on the forum went crazy...all the fan boys jumped on me and lit the torches for a flame war that would never end....the fact is that.
All this happened because everyone on this forum can't be told that what the love!!! Is not as good as they think it is...what I and seifer are upset about and are trying to give some attention is. That the moderators and admins of this forum, doesn't care that you (the fan boys) can flame and troll as much as you want, but the ones with a different opinion can't.
I think this is because most of the admins and moderators are fan boys themself. What can be done to "make some change" then. The only thing is to destroy the forums...or try to make the moderators take action against the veteran flamers and trollers on this forum. (Ammo and kudistos)...we are sorry that so many have to suffer because of them. But they must face judgement sooner or later. And don't think this is all over...it has only begun... :wink:
It's not just two members, but the admins and modertators too...
I think this is because most of the admins and moderators are fan boys themself. What can be done to "make some change" then. The only thing is to destroy the forums...or try to make the moderators take action against the veteran flamers and trollers on this forum. (Ammo and kudistos)
That could be another alternative, but I have to admit I get a few luls out of this myself. :-DI think this is because most of the admins and moderators are fan boys themself. What can be done to "make some change" then. The only thing is to destroy the forums...or try to make the moderators take action against the veteran flamers and trollers on this forum. (Ammo and kudistos)
Or you could just leave... this is the internet ><
That could be another alternative, but I have to admit I get a few luls out of this myself. :-D
I know this is off-topic, but Ammo, were you the "Anonymous" account on some of the old school posts? And if so, why would it say "Message!"? lol.
His original account (correct me if I'm wrong Ammo) was "J*** H*******" (which probably used to say Jari Huttunen). I believe he was a moderator, who gave up his mod powers of his own volition and left.
He came back as "Sad Jari", and I think he was a moderator (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=5834.0) once again...
El Ammo Bandito!, is this your third account?
Oh for f***'s sake
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where else do you suggest? I quite like it here
Stop complaining. If you dont like the way the forum is run then you are not forced to be here. Same goes to anyone else that has a problem with the way things are run.
OMG! I've been offline for the weekend and I have only one thing to say!
Gratz Ammo for ur promotion! I'm really happy with it!
Appoint halkun as head admin, and appoint a new bunch of mods, and I would be happy... he's by far the most well-positioned to lay down the rules for the mods to enforce.Actually, I agree with this. Halkun is basically the only active mod or admin left (with the exception of whatever position El Ammo now holds), and in my mind would be the best pick for an admin position given his long membership as a mod here (if he wants the job of course)
I come back and I have Seifer PM me looking for support to his cause.
Is it *that* hard to appoint a new, active global moderator? I think the forum needs a new bunch of mods to handle people like hermoor and seifer, because they simply can't understand that they lost whatever right they had to complain about this forum by relentlessly spamming it.
Qhimm, please. I've on this forum since '03. I got banned on my original account for making a bunch of silly posts here that today are commonplace. This forum gradually jumped from being too strict to too lenient. Get some new mods, and admins, and let them run this place. Appoint halkun as head admin, and appoint a new bunch of mods, and I would be happy. While I disagree with halkun's rules on discussion of ripped models (because Square isn't going to lawsuit us over ripped models and more for stuff like the PRP or Team Avalanche's 2D Overaul), he's by far the most well-positioned to lay down the rules for the mods to enforce.
If no one does anything I'd suggest the users of this forum should set up shop elsewhere.
Ok here is an argument for you. If something annoys you on the forum ignore it.
Who cares if people are having a flame war in the completely unrelated area? People come here for info on modding final fantasy games.
For that matter dont even look at the completely unrelated forum if you have a problem with it. All the other forums are kept in check quite well by halkun. b*tching and whining helps nobody so why dont you come to the modding forum so we can have a discussion about something that matters, making final fantasy even more awesome :-)
Yes, after Seifer's first rampage there were quite a few people volunteering. There's just one tiny snag with that; would you appoint someone who has been on the boards for only few months?
Or someone who is known to be affiliated with the recently banned person? Or someone who just registered to tell us he'd like to volunteer? There weren't very many so-called known quantities.
Most of the people we'd consider best candidates do not post here that much anymore, are busy with their lives, and perhaps most importantly; did not volunteer. At least I'm terribly wary of asking people to moderate, in the case we happen to accidentally put them on a guilt trip by pleading to their sense of duty.
Newsflash: moderating isn't particularly rewarding. It'll burn you out, sooner or later. Dealing with asshats like Seifer and Hermie, that would be sooner.
Question first; would you like to tell us what your banned username was? I'm asking this because - like I said - there were members wanting to be moderators coming out of the woodwork after Seifer's first rampage, some of them claimed that they had been reading the forums for this or that amount of time, but never registered. Forgive us of being more than little skeptical of their motives.
I'm just curious whether you have actually been here before, or if you are merely Seifer's attempt at social hacking. Not that it would particularly matter, but I'm curious.
Intertubes themselves are changing. Like it or not, places like /b/ do affect and change the entire net, with their relentless meme-making and stuff. It's not the SRS BSNS it used to be 10 years ago. The serious side, and the not-so-serious side are converging, slowly but surely.
This place doesn't actually need a bunch of mods. It doesn't even have material to get bunch of mods, for that matter.
As for halkun; he actually volunteered to be a super moderator. I told Qhimm 'no' in a heartbeat. And don't take that in the sense that I'd give orders, it's just my opinion, and a fairly strong one. He is doing absolutely great job in the tech forums, and is entirely correct in his view about the ripped models (and yes, that means that the lot of you are wrong, stop bringing it up, not going to change). He can also be - IMHO - very trigger happy, and occasionally loses context, acting on the consequences alone, rather than the cause. Which in turn can cause more grief. Not only that, but perhaps more importantly; there's only so much one man can do, and adding to that workload is not wise - it would be really stupid to lose perhaps the best moderator the Tech sections have ever had just by adding more and more to his workload.
Oh, you are one of them. Well, I'll tell you the same I told to MrAdults; door's that way. We ain't stopping you.
Well in that case, I volunteer :-)
Most of the people we'd consider best candidates do not post here that much anymore, are busy with their lives, and perhaps most importantly; did not volunteer.
Also curious :-P
Question first; would you like to tell us what your banned username was? I'm asking this because - like I said - there were members wanting to be moderators coming out of the woodwork after Seifer's first rampage, some of them claimed that they had been reading the forums for this or that amount of time, but never registered. Forgive us of being more than little skeptical of their motives.
I'm just curious whether you have actually been here before
That's what I like so much about this place. The ridiculous 1337 and "internet speak" didn't happen. Grammar is kept in check, along with attitudes (for the most part). Granted /b/ is usually good for some laughs, but if the these forums become the same... qhimm will no longer be the special haven I once regarded it as.
Intertubes themselves are changing. Like it or not, places like /b/ do affect and change the entire net, with their relentless meme-making and stuff. It's not the SRS BSNS it used to be 10 years ago. The serious side, and the not-so-serious side are converging, slowly but surely.
Also curious :-P
If there's a leaky pipe around the house, I don't ignore it, I fix it. Why ignore a problem when it can be fixed, and rather easily I might add?
Definitely. Stagnation is the greatest enemy of a sucessful forum. Plus, the user pool here is not bad at all. Better to have good, but not perfect, mods, than to let anarchy reign.
Fair enough, then. And about the ripped models thing: I have the right to disagree. It probably won't change, but after witnessing the insane "ethics" code that the MUGEN community used (up to a point where some users were unhappy at the permanent warzone the biggest international MUGEN forum was, took control of the forum and decided to return to the roots... I could go on about it for ages, so I'll just leave it at this), I don't want to see this forum turn into something similar.
Most of the people we'd consider best candidates do not post here that much anymore, are busy with their lives, and perhaps most importantly; did not volunteer.Well in that case, I volunteer :-)
Question first; would you like to tell us what your banned username was? I'm asking this because - like I said - there were members wanting to be moderators coming out of the woodwork after Seifer's first rampage, some of them claimed that they had been reading the forums for this or that amount of time, but never registered. Forgive us of being more than little skeptical of their motives.Also curious :-P
I'm just curious whether you have actually been here before
Intertubes themselves are changing. Like it or not, places like /b/ do affect and change the entire net, with their relentless meme-making and stuff. It's not the SRS BSNS it used to be 10 years ago. The serious side, and the not-so-serious side are converging, slowly but surely.That's what I like so much about this place. The ridiculous 1337 and "internet speak" didn't happen. Grammar is kept in check, along with attitudes (for the most part). Granted /b/ is usually good for some laughs, but if the these forums become the same... qhimm will no longer be the special haven I once regarded it as.
Even many of the contributors to the Tech forums write Engrish that would warrant a comment.
It's a tricky question about whether there's any point in trying to fix it anymore - except for the most blatant cases where the person stops making any sense at all.
My opinion: let halkun and ammo be mods for all forums (banhammer included). And ppl plz stop talking about facts that its already on the past. Seifer is gone and also Hermoor, and RIGHT NOW i'm sure if they try to show up again... ammo is watching, and so is halkun. They can perfectly work together to solve this kind of issues... so.. move on plz...
If there is a leaky pipe in someone else's house it is their decision if they want to fix it. This is qhimm's house not yours. It is not up to either of us, or any of us for that matter to tell him how to run this place. If qhimm wants more moderators then he will appoint them. If not he wont.
It's as much our house as it is his: what is a forum without it's users? Nothing. A good admin listens to the users.
Give Qhimm a break; I don't think this is quite what he signed up for at the start. You think it's that easy to just appoint new mods? Obviously not - it has yet to be done.I think he really has no time, or patience, for this place anymore. I think he wants this place to be what it once was... and that would be ideal. It's just not going to happen. This site has gotten too popular. I think the best course of action is to appoint 2 more mods to help out halkun and, at minimum, keep this place from getting worse than it is now.
Give Qhimm a break; I don't think this is quite what he signed up for at the start. You think it's that easy to just appoint new mods? Obviously not - it has yet to be done.I think he really has no time, or patience, for this place anymore. I think he wants this place to be what it once was... and that would be ideal. It's just not going to happen. This site has gotten too popular. I think the best course of action is to appoint 2 more mods to help out halkun and, at minimum, keep this place from getting worse than it is now.
Like Jari said, places like /b/ have a lot of influence throughout the internet. It would be a travesty to see these forums continue to succumb to it.
I think they are merely topics started by him; at least that's what Herpes himself said.
It's due to the fact that it takes couple of more clicks to remove a topic than it does to remove a post. Plus, all the LULZ posted by other members would have disappeared as well, had the topics been deleted.
Are the words I type somehow invisible? How many times must people ask about the same thing?I think he knew that Ammo, he was just joking I assume.
It's the crawlers. They index the threads. For search engines. Sometimes they prefer the print-version as it's lighter and contains less formatting.
Half a dozen times of explaining that - to no apparent effect is starting to be enough; next person to ask this highly observant - and never, ever answered question - not to mention in a thread that has no f***ing relation to the issue at all, does so at his or her own risk.