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Miscellaneous Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Korb on 2002-01-13 11:12:00
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I stumbled onto this place tonight and I have to admit I'm pretty surprised that there is actually a group of people out there that are still playing and enjoying FF7.
A few days ago, a friend of mine got FFX. I hadn't played an FF game since FF7 on my PC, and I had since given my copy of that to another friend who wanted it. It wasn't until I started seeing commercials and got to watch him play FFX that I really wanted to play it. Problem was, I lack a PS2, plus I had just spent over $1000 on a new computer and was flat broke. Boo.
Last night I was at my local software store looking through the bargin bin and I spotted a copy of FF7PC for $15. I figured it was better than sitting around for another month longing for $400 to drop in my lap to make FFX a reality for me. So I bought it, brought it home, dug up my old saved games, and started playing again. Tonight I went looking for a saved game editor, and found Jenova, and subsequently this place. It just blows me away that FF7 still has people playing it like it was a new game.
So, now that you've suffered through all that backstory, I've got 2 questions.
1. How do I know if my FF7 is version 1.00 or 1.02, and how can I upgrade it if it's 1.00?
2. Where might I be able to find a saved game editor for FF7PC that can change the levels and stats? It's pretty strange to have lvl 13 characters with 9k hp on them.
Ok, I'm shutting up now. This place is cool.
--Korb
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It's nice that you decided to play at a time like this. FFVIIPC has to be at it's most lowest time ever. Players with beautiful nVidia GeForce-based cards have to fiddle around with 8-bit Palettised Textures and different Detonator drivers. Players with the new OSs such as Win2k and WinXP can only play the game up until the chocobo race. I've never experienced this before because I run Win98SE. I should be getting XP soon, so I can experience this atrocity myself... What I don't know is is the game runs after the chocobo races. ???
1. You have to ask yourself: Do you have a nVidia-based graphics card? If so, download the nVidia patch, if not, download the normal patch. I got mine from http://www.ffonline.com but that was a long time ago. It maybe there still.
2. A save game editor, I think the best all rounded is FF7CHE, found last at http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/7176/ff7.html If it isn't there anymore, email me and I'll send you it. 415kb.
-Dan
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To find out what version you've got, run the config program and look at the title bar. It should tell you.
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Welcome to Qhimm's Forums, then, Korb!
Now, like he said, if you have a GeForce-based video card, then most likely you will have some problems with both graphics and game stability.
Or, if you're like me and have both Win98SE and a 3dFX card, you can play the game with practically NO worries about crashing or graphics. There is a slight game lock-up problem with the DX7.0 compatible drivers for the Voodoo3 (AKA "V3"), but the driver disk that came with my V3 has the DX6.0 compatible driver set, which seems to run it perfectly. I've managed to zip the driver install archieves to where I can simply e-mail them to anyone who is having problems with their V3 and FF7. There's a guy on this board named gazemuth who can vouch for that.
Dgp9999: So you're getting winXP, huh? Well, if you already have an SB Live! card, then upgrading to XP will unlock the Hardware DLS ability on the card, allowing you to run FF8 with Samuel's DLS in hardware, with less burden than the MS synth already gives! Geez, I'm envious...... :). Darn win98SE's lack of WDM driver support!
Anyway, I suggest you do a dual-boot configuration so you can still play FF7 in Win98SE, and run FF8 or any other game in XP.
[edited] 239 2002-01-14 00:31
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I've got a GeForce3 Ti200 (MSI brand card, but using the most recent detonator drivers) at the moment, and I've had very few problems at all with FF7. Soon I hope to be running a Ti500 on my new computer that is in the process of being put together. I'm not sure if I'll be going with 2k or 98SE on the new system. I know there's no way I'll touch XP.
--Korb
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From what I can tell...from the old Eidos board, and this one. The G3's and the new XP drivers (I mean Nvidia's Detonator XP Drivers, not moneysoft's new and deproved OS.) work fine with FF7. But If you combined those XP drivers with a G2, you'll have problems. There are workarounds....but they don't come easy.
As far as WinXP/2000, If the game worked fine before the Chocobo Races, it will work fine after them. For some reason that side game, crashes. Some others and I have tried to get Eidos to release something to fix the Chicken-race sidegame, and they basicly said to go to Squaresoft for any solutions.....Guess what Squresoft tells you to do...... Yup.... go to Eidos for your solution. As far as the Corp heads are concerened, the game is dead.
As for the version number....doesn't really matter, it's still the same. The only difference is that one is called Platinum and has the TNT patch on disk, as a zip file. And the original...you have to go online and download the zip file yourself (well, that's what I've been told, anyway) .....There is also the thing of the mislabled disks...that right there should set off your light bulb.
Since your using a G3....you shouldn't need to do anything to play the game. At least I don't think you do. No one else with a G3 has had any Driver compliants. (maybe a few FMV complaint, though) The G2's are a totally different story. Easiest solution is to use the 6.50 drivers. That goes for FF8, too. I have no idea how well the G3's and FF8PC get along.
[edited] 65 2002-01-17 03:03
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*Makes mental note to buy G3 sometime soon...*
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Oh...didn't see Korb's post.
The only difference between Win2000 and WinXP is that Win2000 is considered the beta version of WinXP. (well there is that registration thing...but I hear that the Pro version of XP doesn't have that feature)
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Yeah, one damned expensive beta! ;-) WinXP Pro and Win2K are VERY similar, except features that didn't seem to work at all in Win2K (like the Win9x compatibility mode) seem to (keyword: seem . . . this is an MS product, we're talking about) work on XP.
Three: XP Pro does require activation . . . I think it's the corporate version (basically, site liscenced version) that doesn't.
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Calling Win2000 a beta for WinXP is a bit daring... especially since Win2000 is superior to WinXP in several key aspects. XP is not as stable as Win2000, uses twice the amount of RAM, and *lots* of stuff that works in Win2000 does not in WinXP. The new "compatibility wizard" feature is practically useless, and it's not new either (was in Win2000 too). WinXP's strongest advantage seems to be that it looks nicer on the outside.
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:D
....uhh...should we talk about WinME, now? ;)
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what you mean the buggy win98 clone with f***ed up networking and "new" options?
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Not to mention WinME's habit of "re-writting" the config.sys and Autoexec.bat files so that you can't do ANYTHING different than what MicroSoft wants your comp to do, DOS--wise. -_-
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The most I've ever done with the copy of WinME that my uncle sent me, was putting it on a shelf where almost no one can see it, along win my Win98 and Win2k boxs. Not to mention the "Bill Gates 2000" software box I had to make for school...
Sephiroth 3D
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Well, not to span, or advertise or defend XP or anything but, IMHO
Although what Qhimm says is right, but XP *still* has a few advantages....
1) The drivers used is quite nice.
The driver for my modem worked sweet.
Original driver = 13MB per hour
XP's Driver = 20MB per hour
Also, I no longer have to search for those driver diskettes and CDs.
2)More detailed and less cluttered ctrl-alt-del.
Not like Win2000's, XP dosen't have that much buttons to choose.
I don't know about you guys, but that's what XP's done for me.
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That was me, in case anyone's wondering.
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Well, I just got WinXP Corperate Edition at a LAN party I was just at. I haven't loaded it yet, but I'll let you guys know what I think when I do load it.
Sephiroth 3D
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I have had Winxp since may(or june) and the compatibility wizard is total sh*te. It never worked properly until the release edition and even now you can't use it on games because they just crash. There is some strange thing with windows xp though; I installed THPS2 in august(on the e: dirve) and since then have formatted and reinstalled windows about 4 times, yet to get the game to run I have never had to reinstall it, weird.
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i jus DL win xp pro of the net. Its good but it dont recognise my sound card :(
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I loved Win2K. I thought it was the best OS MS put out until I installed XP. WinXP actually runs FF7 for me (except for the Chocobo races, of course.) Win2K didn't (although I think installing Service pack 2 would have fixed this . . . but every time I tried to download it, my connection was cut in between 60 -85 of the 100 meg file.)
I never said the compatibility mode was useful in WinXP, just said that it worked (well, I don't think it makes a pinch of sh*t difference running things in compatibility mode . . . but things actually run. When I tried running anything in compatibility mode in Win2K, it just crashed.) Not that it's a big deal, because the compatibility mode just doesn't seem to make a difference anyway.
So far, Windows XP is working pretty good for me. If I start having problems with it, I'll switch back to Win2K . . . but for now, it's fine.
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hmm.... well what i've seen of XP i've liked. i would have it but its been on backorder for the last 3 WEEKS damn compaq. anyway the only real problems i've heard about were the plug-and-play mistake (classicly microsoft) and the fast that compatability mode doesn't work.
i currently have win2kpro i like it except it does some werid sh*t with my 3d card, and the fact that my mom is a controling b*tch:
me: look i'm not going to hurt the computer. i LIKE it working just fine thank you.
her:well maybe but you might screw it up and have to rebuild.
me: so, I religiously do that every 3 months anyway. and you have YOUR OWN COMPUTER
her: *walks away*
good lord it's horrible. and with winXP the user rights go out the widow :)
[edited] 275 2002-01-23 06:43
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Message.
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XP is #%^%.
PartitionMagic trashed the FAT and XP refuses to start, even with the $#%&* CD, forcing me to reformat my comp.
XP does NOT have a "true" safe mode, unlike win9X
Question: why do they say that XP is unstable? I don't get it.
[edited] 39 2002-01-23 10:02
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Gotta agree with you there joey, XP crashes far more than ME.
You may want to turn off the "restart if program not repsonding" option. That way it'll go to the blue screen instead of just restarting...and you can then if you're lucky get back to explorer.
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XP crashes *more* than ME? What on earth have you been *doing* to your computers?!
I didn't think it was possible for *anything* to be more unstable than ME. Especially not something running on an NT kernel.
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I hated ME, I had it for about 1 month and then got rid of it. It was slower, far more unstable then 98SE. I was getting BSOD every 15-20min. It was ridiculous.
Plus ME removed Real Mode support, which was a mistake to do to the 9x kernel.
WinXP is very similar to 2000, Cept it looks better. The Compatibilty Wizard didn't/doesn't work for either..................
just a note the wizard isn't installed by default in 2000, it's in the Valueadd folder (I think).
Also in order in implement security in XP you need the Pro version. Home Version does not support the NTFS file system. However you can set *shared* perrmissions even in Home ed.
Regards,
oglsmm
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Question: Why is there is there a Convert to NTFS option when I installed XP? I'm using Home, OEM.....
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Yes; I don't have XP (well, not installed ... I could get it off one of the guys in my house) but I was sure it had NTFS in all versions. MS are trying (quite rightly) to phase out FAT I think.
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No, only Pro Version is supposed to have NTFS.
See....
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
About 1/2 way down is the note on NTFS
Although since MS only supports *creating* FAT32 partitions as large as 32GB, I believe that Home may support NTFS if you try to go larger then that when doing the Install. But offically XP Home doesn't support NTFS, I don't have a copy of Home so I'm just going by MS, and the word on the street.
Also ficedula, why would you want to Phase out FAT/Fat32, with NTFS there is no way of accessing files when you boot from a disk, or if something goes wrong with your system. The Recovery Console in XP/2000 really isn't all that good, and XP doens't make an ERD anymore. Thats not generally a problem for Corporations, but for Home users, that can be a big issue.
Regards,
oglsmm
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Isn't there some way to make the page save your username and password when previewing.
BTW That was me up above.
Regards,
oglsmm
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Well, there is a way to access NTFS from a boot disk (I've got a boot disk with NTFS support) so that isn't a problem. And NTFS doesn't suffer from cluster/FAT inflation. FAT is simply too limited for modern computers. It works OK now, just about, but NTFS is more efficient *and* more secure.
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amen. My Cdrive is NTFS (Almost put NTSC :P ) and it runs like a dream. My 30gig Ddrive is Fat32 and although it runs well... I could be better. I'd convert it to NTFS, but I want it accessable by Win98.
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Yes you can make an NTFS boot disk, however it is a huge hassle, and 99% of people have no idea what the ntldr and ntdetect.com files are. In order for a filesystem to become mainstream it has to be end-user friendly and NTFS just isn't there yet. Also until the Win9x line is phased out completely it just isn't feasible for a lot of people who dual boot.
For me, I have 2 drives (1 80gb, 1 20gb), dual booting WinXP and Win98SE. Because Win98 can't use FAT32 that means that the active partition needs to be FAT32. Since XP is the active partition it is Fat32, My Win98 partition is also Fat32, because I want all partitions accessable in both OS's I use Fat32 for everything. However my Page file is on a seperate NTFS partition that is encrypted.
A new file system that is backwards compatible needs ti be adopted my Microsoft, because NTFS just isn't for the avverage user.
Regards,
oglsmm
[edited] 103 2002-01-24 19:56
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*Filesystems* don't need to be end user compatible. Most people don't have a clue what a boot disk is anyway. The sort of person who's likely to be able to create a boot disk and run scandisk, fdisk, and so on from the command prompt, is the sort of person who can download a NTFS compatible boot disk from the net, which is all you need to do.
Essentially, you're saying all the problems with NTFS are because of FAT still being around. Well, wait until FAT is phased out totally, then all those problems will disappear...
You can't really make filesystems backwards compatible. It'd mean throwing away the advantages of having a better file system.
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Well I am using WinXP and I must admit that it is much better than WinME.
Performance wise, nearly the same as Win2K Pro, but slightly better.
And I am using the WinXP Home Ed. , it supports NTFS 5.0. In fact I converted my drives from FAT32 to NTFS, and I must admit the performance is ROCK SOLID!!!!! :cool:
Thrashes WinME and Win98 in stability IMO. But XP does have some compatibility issues with old games (such as FF8). But not really that terrible...... :)
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I use a ntfs boot disk. it's 40gb HD and i have 2 others, a 16.5 and 2gb. thoes are both FAT32 and the 2gb still has, not working thogh, an instalatino on win2kpro on it. i think i'll format it and use it for my music and videos.... anyway i've had no problem with running an ntfs bootdisk. my win2kpro instalation did all of the work for me :). then only thing i don't like about ntfs is that it blocks users from seeing other users files, and sometime i save file in my brother's user and i can't get to them and have to start over :(.
[edited] 275 2002-01-24 22:28
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On 2002-01-24 15:02, ficedula wrote:
*Filesystems* don't need to be end user compatible. Most people don't have a clue what a boot disk is anyway. The sort of person who's likely to be able to create a boot disk and run scandisk, fdisk, and so on from the command prompt, is the sort of person who can download a NTFS compatible boot disk from the net, which is all you need to do.
Essentially, you're saying all the problems with NTFS are because of FAT still being around. Well, wait until FAT is phased out totally, then all those problems will disappear...
You can't really make filesystems backwards compatible. It'd mean throwing away the advantages of having a better file system.
Essentially yes, I guess if you cut through the crap Then I am saying that the only real problem with NTFS is backwards compatibility with Fat. Once Fat disappears then everything will be hunky dorrie.
But I do dis-agree, I bet that many people out there including "techie" people have no idea that there are NTFS boot disks.
Unfortunatly I don't see people leaping to abandon the 9x line for the NT line, either now or in the future.
Regards,
oglsmm
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PurpleSmurf
I think i'll format [ The 2gb HD ] and use it for my music and videos....
Heh... I'd max out that HD with just my MP3s and still have tons of MP3s left over! And my video directory is slightly larger than my MP3 directory.
OGLSMM
Unfortunatly I don't see people leaping to abandon the 9x line for the NT line, either now or in the future.
The reason for that is that the OSs MS is making simply aren't compatible with a lot of the games many of us wish to play. Until they fix that, there will still be a large Win98 market, even after their next 5 OSs come out.
Sephiroth 3D
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On 2002-01-24 18:34, OGLSMM wrote:
But I do dis-agree, I bet that many people out there including "techie" people have no idea that there are NTFS boot disks.
Uhm, the same thing happens to FAT32 boot disks.
It just so happens that most "new" versions of Windows make FAT32 ones automatically. Like fice suggested, people who use NTFS hard drives and actually "carry them around", will actually know of the existance of NTFS boot disks.
On 2002-01-24 18:34, OGLSMM wrote:
Unfortunatly I don't see people leaping to abandon the 9x line for the NT line, either now or in the future.
Think about it, how often do people buy new PC's? How often do new PC's come preformatted? Believe me, it will be soon. The only real people left with the FAT system are people who need to use an older operating system. Those people are most likely to know the "tools of the trade".
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and microsoft isn't helping. they changed the lisceneing to Compaq, HP and Dell, you no longer can order a computer from them and get win2k and 98 or ME. oh and guess what? office 2000 doesn't work with XP, this is to be expected but for all of the developers that just upgraded from win2kpro to winXPpro are screwed. AND to dual boot XP with win2kpro you HAVE to install win2kpro first or xp WILL NOT WORK. PERIOD. microsoft f***ed up big this time.
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On the offical 180-day demo of XP I have, after looking it though, the only thing I wanted was the nice, grassy, hill background. (Can someone send that to me? Email it to me, then respond here. I don't want 50 people sending it to me at the same time, thinking no one else did. Thanks in advance!)
Sephiroth 3D
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id like it as well.
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Ok I emailed it to you Sep3d, Darkness it bounced from your email because it is 1meg. Do you want it in jpeg format?
Smurf - to fix winxp if you installed w2k after xp. Simply boot to disk and extract ntldr and ntdetect.com from the winxp cd and replace the ones in your boot partition. W2k overwrites those and that causes the problem
oh ya - make sure you reset the system and hidden attributes on those files after copying them.
Regards,
oglsmm
[edited] 103 2002-01-25 23:24
[edited] 103 2002-01-25 23:24
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Got it! Thank you! :love:
Sephiroth 3D
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try [email protected]
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Question: If my comp is NTFS, and I want to transfer my files somewhere else (say, a win9x comp) will there be any probs?
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Just as long as one of the two computers can "see" the other's HD over the network (I assume this is how you're planning to transfer the files), you should be fine.
And if you're gonna move it using a 3.5" disk, you shouldn't have to worry at all.
BTW: I'm very surpised and pleased to see that you have been posting REAL responsiblly lately Joey. Keep it up! :)
Sephiroth 3D
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There should be no problem at all, except that older windows cant work with NTFS, so you have to copy those files from your comp.
I mean, if there would be any problem (there should not be any) then take harddisk from win9x computer, place it into yours and copy the data.
[edited] 171 2002-01-30 12:56
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I love FFVII I got it about 2 years ago for the computer and I still haven't beat it. :weep: The main reason is I don't play very often but the other reason would be that I drastically upgraded my computer from a pentium 166 to a pentium III 600. And it now runs whooo! FFVII is the bomb but I like the others (FFVI better) as well.
*gack!* Me better than XP....?!?!? *starts choking and strangling himself* Windows Cr+ (Me) is so junky that I won't even talk about it.... XP has only crashed on me once, and basically it was just so that I could prove that I had done so. +Cr means crap edition
Kendrilian
[edited] 299 2002-02-20 23:52
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Heh, what the heck.
I haven't had ANY problems with cept when I messed with my hard drive partitions -- Windows refused to start (as mentioned earlier in the thread) but I ran the recovery install off the CD and now everything works. Crashed only twice (due to a poorly programed Star trek game both times) and I haven't had any problems (save the FF7 Chocobo Races) and the compatibility mode has made many programs work that wouldn't otherwise... still haven't tried any "Compatibility Wizard."
I don't use NTFS because I quad-boot WinXP, 98, 2000, and Linux and I want everything to agree with everything else. Except my Linux partitiion is Ext2 and no Windows likes that.
Oh well, I gotta go or I'd write more :-p