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Miscellaneous Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Amadeus on 2010-01-29 07:50:30
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Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DA5RrgIFPw
This appears to be an unused version of the Honey Bee Inn lobby, deleted from all except the original Japanese version of FFVII. Very interesting. I have yet to attempt a translation of the dialogue, and I don't think my Japanese skills are up to it. But there it is. I didn't discover or record this; I came across the video by way of Unseen64.com.
Frankly, I like this version a bit better than what we got.
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wow i did *not* know about this.
Cool stuff! I see some stats on the screen...perhaps Tifa's measurements?
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Interesting, this needs checked:
The original Honey Bee Inn design, before Square redesigned it. For some reason, it was completly removed from all, except the original Japanese version. To access this room, use the gameshark code;
800987F400D7
Someone with the original Japanese version needs to test this.
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It's like a trip to Total Recall.
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There were loads of changes to the HBI (http://www.glitterberri.com/final-fantasy/ffvii/unseen-text/honey-bee-inn), certainly. Edit: Maybe this would account for onna_1/_3/_6.
Edit2: yes, looks likely. I managed to get access to a non-International FF7j today: this map is genuine, and some of the 2KB files (http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=8804.msg116468) aren't 2KB in this version of the game...
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Can we view the PS1 maps? I dont think we can... :?
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7mimic can, but I suspect (correct me if I'm wrong) that its map list is hard-coded.
I can confirm that there are two more unused HBI rooms, but I'm still trying to get Cloud unstuck from the scenery in them. I don't suppose anyone has a walk-through-walls code for FF7j-original...?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot: of the maps that had 2KB DAT files in International, the following are regular DATS and have dumpable text in this version:
BLACKBGA
FALLP (but it's probably just duplicated Shinra Building dialogue)
ONNA_1
ONNA_3
ONNA_6
WHITEBG1
WHITEBG2
I've sent GlitterBerri some rough text dumps from these; I don't know how much of the contents will turn out to be new, given how much duplication there is in this game's dialogue data.
EDIT: Okay, now with evidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aG_6b2B8QY
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Wow!! that's cool! Looks like the honey bee inn scene was originally supposed to go completely differently! I commented on the video explaining what I'd gathered from my limited knowledge of Japanese, but I don't understand why it was changed... There have got to be some more scenes...
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Interesting, i'm going to have to look into this.
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Tsetra on this board also worked extensively on this area of the game so he might know more about this.
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Translation of the video and complete text file related to the scene: http://www.glitterberri.com/final-fantasy/ffvii/unseen-text/honey-bee-inn-part-2
I'm also in direct contact with Tsetra, so he'll learn of anything I find and I'll be alerted if he comes across anything. Thanks for the tip, though, Marc!
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Cool stuff! I see some stats on the screen...perhaps Tifa's measurements?
I think it says: special course, 30 & 150 minute courses.
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Sign above left door:
今日ã®å¥³ã®å
Today's Girls
2nd sign above left door:
ã„ã£ã¡ã‚ƒãƒ€ãƒ¡
Don't tell!
Sign above stairs:
ãŠäºŒéšŽã¸ã©ã†ãž
Go on up to the second floor.
Sign on reception desk:
å—付
Reception
Sign above right door:
å¾…åˆå®¤
Waiting Room
Fans in foreground:
ã¿ã¤ã°ã¡ç¾Žäºº
Honey Bee Beauties
Various messages on the screen:
美少女ã¨ã®èªžã‚‰ã„
Chat with beautiful women!
蜜蜂ã®é¤¨
ã™ã¹ã—ゃるコース
３ï¼åˆ†ã‚³ãƒ¼ã‚¹
１５ï¼åˆ†ã‚³ãƒ¼ã‚¹
Honey Bee Inn
Special Courses:
30 Minute Course
150 Minute Course
ã‚ãŸã—ã®å·£ç®±ã¸ã„らã£ã—ゃã„
Come on in to my hive.
ã¯ã¡ã¿ã¤ã¯ã„ã‹ãŒï¼Ÿ
How about the Honeybee?
Sign on right wall (kanji hard to make out):
？？？・？？？・スカウト・æ¥ï¼Ÿå¹´
ãŠæ–ã‚Šã—ã¾ã™ã€‚
？を？ã„ãŸå ´åˆ
「１ï¼ä¸‡ã‚®ãƒ³ã€
ã®ç½°é‡‘ã§ã™ã€‚
???, ???, scouts, and minors
not accepted.
In the event of prosecution
(?) a fine of 100,000 gil
will be enforced.
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The stairs really threw me off when I first saw the level layout. I thought maybe at first it was a downstairs area, but now I would guess that this was the original entrance to the Honey Bee Inn, and perhaps the stairs would have led to the "new" entrance with the receptionist bee who keeps telling you to hurry up. The other two rooms that have been shown/translated are more than likely supposed to connect to this original entrance, especially given the signs - "Today's Girl" would be Tifa who everyone wants to come back, while the other room is a waiting room.
Of course, this is just speculation based on what I've seen so far and what I know, so I'll reserve further commenting until more material is revealed. For those wanting this on PC there may be a solution with Meteor, requiring exporting and inserting the background into a new ONNA file, making a new walk mesh, and making some of the field script by hand. I don't think it would be as difficult as it first seems, but again I'll wait until everything is on the table to comment further because it would be nice to know exactly where everything was supposed to go.
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Just thinking about this, This probably WAS a downstairs area. Think about it, when you usually enter the Honeybee inn, you don't see a front desk or anything. Its almost exactly like you're on a second floor.
That being said, would it be possible, to put this in the PC version if we got our hands on the data files?
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heres another un used room/ map in honey bee in this makes 2. Not sure why they took these out of the game ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aG_6b2B8QY&NR=1