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Ok, Here goes a semi-official Final Fantasy 13 Thread.
It's pretty cool.
Vanilla is really cute!
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I am loving it so far. Sure it is linear, but so were all the other ones. The only difference in this one is you cannot run wherever you feel like. I love the battle system, so fast paced. trying to get 5 stars on all the battles is a challenge once you get to chapter 3. And the paradigm shift is a really neat feature, gives you enough control over the AI to get things done without slowing down the pace of battle. Just hope i get to try out an eidolon soon.
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Aww, it DID come out today, didn't it? Darn it, I missed it. :(
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trying to get 5 stars on all the battles is a challenge once you get to chapter 3.
Sounds like guitar hero! :D jk jk
Glad to hear some positive reactions from a new FF game! Haven't had that in a while. ;D
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OMG, I just realized Vanilla is wearing bondage ropes... and wields a whip! (Cat-o-nine-tails none the less)
She has just gone from "Cute" to "Creepy".
That and Snow's finance is a little... ick. What is she? 11?
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should have my PS3 friday, and my game to boot :D then i can join your conversation, watched some friends play. seems pretty damn awesome
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OMG, I just realized Vanilla is wearing bondage ropes... and wields a whip! (Cat-o-nine-tails none the less)
She has just gone from "Cute" to "Creepy".
That and Snow's finance is a little... ick. What is she? 11?
Nah she just seems 11 cuz she is wearing a catholic school girl outfit. Mind out of the gutter halkun!
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(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk233/itoikenza/59148__468x_ff13-model-mugshots.jpg)
seems like somebody already got the 3d models!
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(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk233/itoikenza/59148__468x_ff13-model-mugshots.jpg)
seems like somebody already got the 3d models!
lol looks more like xbox models than ps3 lmao...
And i cant stand Sara and snows little gay back story but i am sure the plot will explode soon lightning is hella win tho shes ultra badass with a sexy temper : ) vanille is kinda annoying guess cuz shes really young and girly maybe she will shape up hanging around good ol light.
I also must say Odin is ultra win in this game hes so cool.
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I'm really enjoying it so far, despite the linearness.
I am a big sufferer of the "one more save point" syndrome. Quite moreish.
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I'm really enjoying it so far, despite the linearness.
I am a big sufferer of the "one more save point" syndrome. Quite moreish.
My god, your last post was from 2002. Wow. 8 years.
Anywho, back on topic. I've been browsing a certain image board I frequent, the general consensus seems to be that after you play for 4 hours, the enemies get significantly tougher (a good challenge). And most seem to agree that the story is actually quite good.
Maybe I'll rent it
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I've been told if you turn the mini map off, it seems much less liniar...
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I finished it Friday, I liked the last section, lots of great battles. Graphics looks really nice, wasn't a huge fan of the voice over, Vanille's voice is annoying ( she is 19 but sounds more like 13, she makes these moaning sounds all the time as well ).
The story is alright, it was hard to understand at first ( took me a while to figure out the whole l'cie / fal'cie thing ), what is really great with this game is the combat system it is like turned based mixed with real time , you only control one person at a time. Its not the best FF ever but definitely worth playing.
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I'll be in minority here then.
I played 11 chapters out of 13 as I know and it's terribly boring. There were like two or three challenging bosses up till now, and I still use auto-battle in every fight. Story is lacking, characters are weak, their development is artificial and mostly not convincing, scenario is full of errors and lacks consequence. Game mechanics and battle system is hardly an RPG. 3 stats, auto-battle all the way, limit on upgrades and linearity even there up till chapter 10.
And game's linearity until chapter 11 isn't that terrible. Sure it lacks exploration elements but on the other side, game is OK at most, so there wouldn't be much to explore except nice environments.
If it wasn't for beautiful CGI, nice visuals and Vanille's boobs, this game wouldn't have a bit of decency in it.
Unfortunatelly it sold really nice and Square decided to pull more of this crap.
Visuals: 9/10 (Superb)
Audio: 6/10 (OK. except really awesome prelude tune, the game lacks proper audio treatment. two main themes are repeated over and over, rave music in green forest, sounds sometimes are hardly fitting and not as good as the rest, uneven level of sound effects)
Gameplay: 6/10(OK. Despite boring combat system, weak mechanics, unnecessarily long battles, subpar upgrade system, gameplay is flashy and easy to follow in the beginning, and may show it's teeth later)
Story: 5/10(Mediocre. It's more like Dirge of Cerberus level of storyline. There's story shown in flashy cutscenes, some backstory to follow but it's not compelling or immersive at any point, char development lacks depth, characters are simple, scenario is full of errors, direction fails at times)
Overall(not an average of previous score): 6/10(OK).
But personally it's really disappointing.
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I agree, plot is rather cliché, characters are either lifeless or are just rehashes of existing ones, Lightning is just Cloud/Squall with tits, Snow is a big dumb jock who would do anything for da purdy gurl, Vanille just annoys the f*** out of me, her high pitched Australian/British/American accent(she switches like every 2nd sentence) just doesn't sound right, Hope is the usual whiny generic teenager we've come to
love hate from FF games recently.
Sahz's chocobo chick has more personality than the entire cast combined even if you include the cast of X and XII.
The music sounds like one long music track, each areas themes are almost indistinguishable from each other, the battle music is quiet and generally low key.
It's an amazing looking game though but I fear that was the main focus of development.
I'm about 13 hours in, stopped at a boss fight playing as Sahz and Vanille, probably half way through the 2nd Disc(360 version comes on 3).
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Hahah, exactly. I'll give kudos for Hope's voice actor, he was really good as a whiny teenager.
Chocobo chick was one of the better developed chars, overly intelligent, it even told Sazh and the rest which choice is correct one!
What's disappointing is the fact that only chars I liked died soon after appearing. Sucks.
Also scenario goofs: Cut out the escate route, one way to freedom, past PSICOM, they aim at the team, goes to in-game: PSICOM starts to wander around aimlessly, save point next to the team and you can evade most of the fights there. I repeat, PSICOM was ready to shoot at the team in the cutscene.
Other situation: Snow falls unconscious, they get him up and somehow he walks on his own feet without waking up.
Sazh's jump scene after first fight is composed of three barely fitting different scenes. Reminds me of 80's movies.
Lots of hardly fitting retrospections remind me of Black Dynamite movie.
And there's more to that.
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I'm really enjoying it so far, despite the linearness.
I am a big sufferer of the "one more save point" syndrome. Quite moreish.
My god, your last post was from 2002. Wow. 8 years.
Crazy eh, playing a FF game after all these years made me think about Qhimm's site and how it was such an awesome resource during the FF7 days.
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The music was REALLY poor through out most of the game.... I am a huge fan of Nobuo Uematsu but this was a huge upset to me. >IMO over other FF it was poor.
I just felt really out of place most parts of the game with the music. IMO the jazz music was *REALLY* out of place.
For the most part I liked a lot of the music like the battle theme and a few other themes but most of the game u have weird out of place themes and some of them have jibberish sounding vocals blareing in the background which was super out of place IMO.
Here is my rating.
Graphics 10/10
Gameplay 7/10
Audio 6/10* This was a hard thing to bare from Nobuo Uematsu's previous works....
Story/7/10
Summons 7/10
battle system 7/10* you can only control your party leader felt that was poor over older games.
I felt the game had superb graphics but Story although long and well thought was still some what poor. It was original do not get me wrong just so many things felt out of place. I felt a immediate difference from 12 to 13 especially being the last game out along with other FF's.
It was still a good game i just felt that the battle system was poor, 12 was a good attempt at a new battle system, it utilized all 3 characters under your control and although there were auto spells i felt it still held the feeling of the older FF games especially with the folklore and swords type of feel behind the games back drop. I feel that 12 did a better attempt at a new release even though it sold less that 13. Controlling only one character was a poor idea IMO i still had fun but it was not the same its 2 repetitive controlling only one character at a time. 12 did a much better job incorporating autocast IMO it had much more customization IMO than 13 did.
IMO this game was made for the nubs who want a easy auto casting type of game although 12 did just that you actually had to multitask all the characters for the most part. I never got the feeling of multitasking in 13. Its like your only one character and your just switch between "autocast" paradigm shift, Leaving the tasks of 2 characters to the computers battle system....
Very poor battle system, music was out of place hugely in this game,Gameplay was decent due to mostly the graphics and CGI. Do not get me wrong I still liked the game i was just let down for the most part on many things i had hoped the revolutionized for the better and not the worse or the lame part. The summons were cool in their battle modes and gesalt, although I though Ifirit was stupid as hell in this game and was also let down there.The story was still original and decent i felt they captured the story firmly but did not like some of the characters mainly Sazh and vanille especially vanille and i thought a lot of the of parts were childish and silly.
I guess i wanted a more diverse style of battle a long with a more serious story line instead it was more broken down into segments, romance/seriousness/comedy. I felt they joked around to much in the start of the game when it should have been more serious, and there was way to much romance in the start i felt that is held much more mid game in RPG's. Everything just felt out of place in the Game, especially the characters and their backstory's especially vanilles and sazh. I felt lightning was very cool though and they did a 10/10 wit her
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The music was REALLY poor through out most of the game.... I am a huge fan of Nobuo Uematsu but this was a huge upset to me. >IMO over other FF it was poor.
Composer(s) Masashi Hamauzu
That might explain it.
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The music was REALLY poor through out most of the game.... I am a huge fan of Nobuo Uematsu but this was a huge upset to me. >IMO over other FF it was poor.
Composer(s) Masashi Hamauzu
That might explain it.
GAAAAASSP! :o
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Makes me sad Nobuo didn't make the musics for 13..... Not that I'm ever going to play it as I lack both a PS3 and an Xbox360...
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You don't miss much. Also Square disbanded their music studio so future audio case is even more uncertain.
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I think I may have lost my obsession for FF as a series. I don't own a PS3 but my flatmate owns a 360 so I'm considering buying for that, but this is the first FF released since 7 that I didn't buy on the release date. They just don't seem to have the same "magic" anymore (from what I'm reading, I haven't played it).
PSX Generation definitely wins in my book, I think it's time for me to accept that nothings ever going to beat them.
My opinion could change when I play it though. Without Nobuo Uematsu it's doubtful.
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I'll probably get it second hand or when it goes platinum. I've heard very mixed reviews about this game and all of the objective facts I've heard about it make me think that I'll hate it. It's hilarious that the improved technology seems to have limited what developers can do with JRPGs in this generation. Aren't technological developments meant to allow developers to do more things with games?
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I'll probably get it second hand or when it goes platinum. I've heard very mixed reviews about this game and all of the objective facts I've heard about it make me think that I'll hate it. It's hilarious that the improved technology seems to have limited what developers can do with JRPGs in this generation. Aren't technological developments meant to allow developers to do more things with games?
I completely agree.
Also, did someone above say that this game is split into chapters? For I dislike games that are chapterized. *is rage*.
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I'll probably get it second hand or when it goes platinum. I've heard very mixed reviews about this game and all of the objective facts I've heard about it make me think that I'll hate it. It's hilarious that the improved technology seems to have limited what developers can do with JRPGs in this generation. Aren't technological developments meant to allow developers to do more things with games?
QFT.
I can't believe Skweenicks actually said "are you kidding me?? we can't make towns that high res! It'd take forever!"
Did it never occur to anyone that when the advanced technology is forcing you to make the entire game one long ass dungeon that perhaps the game would be better off without 1080p models and textures?
Allow me to make a point here....
2 of most entertaining games I've played in the past 3 years:
- Dungeon Fighter Online (http://dungeonfighter.nexon.net/Guide/Characters.aspx)
- Level Up! (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/519030)
2 of the least entertaining games I've played in the past 3 years:
- Soul Calibur IV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGpmNRo1jGk)
- Sonic Unleashed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNeU1xkgp8)
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I don't think it ever did occur to them.
The town fiasco is Squeenix admitting that graphics are more important than content; when they had to choose between the two, they went with the graphics. It looks like good graphics really are bad for the gaming industry; apparently, gameplay and other irrelevant aspects of a game have to be fitted around the need for good graphics.
And the game isn't even in 1080p; it's 720p on the PS3 and 576 on the 360.
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One of the absolute best games I've played in recent memory was Cave Story. No one can say people enjoy it for the nostalgia.
I think the reason for this is the less graphically intensive, and lack of voice acting gives your imagination more freedom to make them sound and look like whatever you want. The same reason books are always better than the movie. Using your imagination just makes it better somehow.
/thread
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At least we have things like the Playstation Network and Xbox Live Arcade (Wii just sucks) guaranteeing that games that aren't graphically intensive also have a place in the market. For that I'm thankful..although I'll admit that I've had more fun playing flash games on newgrounds for free than I ever have with a PSN or XBLA game.
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One of the absolute best games I've played in recent memory was Cave Story. No one can say people enjoy it for the nostalgia.
That game made me wanna cry sometimes. T_T Really good game...
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Exactly! Made buy one guy using 8bit graphics and MIDIs. No one can honestly say they don't like Cave Story. NO ONE!!!! >:(
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Exactly! Made buy one guy using 8bit graphics and MIDIs. No one can honestly say they don't like Cave Story. NO ONE!!!! >:(
I just downloaded and started playing Cave Story and I can say that it's really well done. Usually the fewer developers there are for software, the more elegantly made it is. Take Winamp for instance, the winamp team consists of pretty much 5 or so developers at any given time, and it's pretty much the most well-made piece of software on my computer.
BTW, cave story reminds me a lot of Level Up!, a game I linked to above.
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BTW, cave story reminds me a lot of Level Up!, a game I linked to above.
DOWNLOADING NOW!! >:(
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Also, did someone above say that this game is split into chapters? For I dislike games that are chapterized. *is rage*.
Yeah. It's 13 chapters as far as I know(I lost the will to play when game opens) and 11 of them are awfully linear. And even then it's just one big location comparable to one or two from FFXIII. Not much huh?
Destructoid's review put some nice and valid points about the game, like:
Team always talks about saving Cocoon, their home, about some kind of patriotism but the game never really attaches you to the world. It seems like it's more playing with itself than with player.
2 of the least entertaining games I've played in the past 3 years:
- Soul Calibur IV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGpmNRo1jGk)
- Sonic Unleashed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNeU1xkgp8)
FF13 is about as entertaining as SC4 for me. Hardly.
Usually the fewer developers there are for software, the more elegantly made it is. Take Winamp for instance, the winamp team consists of pretty much 5 or so developers at any given time, and it's pretty much the most well-made piece of software on my computer.
The same with indie games. World of Goo, Flower, Plants vs Zombies, Braid. Each one of those games are made by small teams, they aren't made to be blockbuster hits. It's for pushing new ways to have fun and making quality product. Less about money which drives major companies.
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I got FFXIII on Monday, and here are my thoughts on it so far (about four hours in, I think, can't be bothered to check)
Story:
I'm really liking the story so far. The characters are interesting and unique, and none of them are super-emo like Squall. The world's mythology is fascinating, and quite interesting to read, albeit a bit wordy. The datalogs are loaded with interesting stuff, but also with retelling the story that's already been seen so far, so you have to skim through it to find the good parts. Also, Vanille's accent is REALLY distracting, but other than that the voice acting is solid, and really adds to the experience.
Gameplay:
The battle system is awesome. It can be a bit easy at times, though I suspect that's because I'm not very far in the game yet. I'm really liking paradigms, especially being able to make my own, it's better than Gambits in XII, IMO. The experience crystogen system is kind of novel, but intuitive, and not distractingly complicated like the equivalent systems in X and XII were. As a whole, it works really well.
The field is a mess. I'm constantly fighting the camera, especially when I go up hills or stairs. It wants to zoom way too far in, so that your character blocks your vision, and it rotates when you don't expect it to. This problem is thankfully easy to work around, by relying on the minimap for most of your navigation, only keeping an eye on the main game screen for items (which are anywhere where there's a dead-end) and when trying to get a preemptive strike on enemies.
When people said this game is linear, they weren't kidding. There's no towns (so far), no shops, very few NPCs, and as much exploration as in a 1999 FPS. The different environments all look and feel different from each other, but as a whole the game has been an exercise in running through halls, straight streets, corridors, and narrow paths, and stopping whenever there's a battle or cutscene. I knew to expect linearity out of this game, but figured it would be in the form of a lack of sidequests or decisions. I hadn't realized that even the individual areas are completely linear. It'd be nice to be able to backtrack more than just the current area, even if there's no good reason to.
Graphics and Music:
No surprises here. It's gorgeous, just like in the trailers and gameplay videos that have been all over the internet for a while. The music is enjoyable, but I wish I could hum along with it as I could with previous games (I know, no Uematsu this time around).
Final Words:
Overall, this game seems to be relying solely on the story and battle system. It's a damn good thing these are so strong, because if either of them wasn't GREAT then it'd be easy to just stop playing and not finish the game. As it is, I'm driven to keep going. Here's hoping there's more to do after a few more hours.
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I've gotten no further than I had a couple of weeks ago, trading it in for Splinter Cell Conviction once that's out.
I just can't keep playing, it's trash, plain and simple, it's a generic JRPG disguised as an FF game.
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I've gotten no further than I had a couple of weeks ago, trading it in for Splinter Cell Conviction once that's out.
I just can't keep playing, it's trash, plain and simple, it's a generic JRPG disguised as an FF game.
That about sums it up. What is annoying is that despite it being so flawed in a number of ways, it is generally getting a 8/10 and I don't think that is fair when we compare it to the likes of 6,7,8,9 and 10. Still, if you look at review sites there are far more user reviews slating it than is the norm for a FF game, so maybe the bubble has finally burst. I checked up on the game before I bought it, I watched tons of vids and read a load of negative reviews (they seem to help me decide more than the positive ones). I felt duped and robbed by X-2 and XII and damned if I was gonna make that mistake a 3rd time.
Like someone else here mentioned, because of HD they spent most of their time trying to wrestle with its new problems and thus a lot of what makes an RPG good was thrown out in favour of graphics. All they ened to do is realise that a good game doesn't need 1080 or 720p, all it needs is a great gameplay for replayability, and good story for gripping the player. Graphics should come after those 2, never before.
I suppose one major issue is as was said also, a lot of people like games because of graphics, and enix responds now more than ever to what sells the best. Mass market appeal is killing this series.