So that means all the real townspeople in the game died and was also replaced by Shinra?? But how do you explain Vincent?? In Crisis Core Zack came to the mansion and he sees the tomb of Vincent but he don't touch it right?? So Shinra does not touch or change anything in the Shinra Mansion only the town houses?? And what happened to Zangan and Tifa's dad?? Have too many questions sorry.
EDIT:Forget about the question about the townspeople I've seen the report.
So that's what happened. Thanks for the explanation. Vincent really sleep well that day he didn't hear any of the ruckus outside the mansion. Well in fact he was in the basement or he doesn't care that time.So that means all the real townspeople in the game died and was also replaced by Shinra?? But how do you explain Vincent?? In Crisis Core Zack came to the mansion and he sees the tomb of Vincent but he don't touch it right?? So Shinra does not touch or change anything in the Shinra Mansion only the town houses?? And what happened to Zangan and Tifa's dad?? Have too many questions sorry.
EDIT:Forget about the question about the townspeople I've seen the report.
Zangan left. The letter to Tifa you find later says such. Tifa's dad was killed by Sephiroth (probably trying to stop him from getting inside Jenova's chamber). As for the Shinra Mansion, it wasn't touched. We don't know how or why Sephiroth decided to burn the town or how he did so so quickly after leaving the Mansion's basement. Shinra covered it up because they wanted Sephiroth to remain a hero in the eyes of the people. If word spread that one of Shinra's best SOLDIERs went crazy and torched a town they'd lose faith in Shinra. So they rebuilt the town completely and hired people to pretend like nothing happened.
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.pngI thought so. Something always seemed a little off with the scene, but I could never put my finger on it
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png
This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt
So that means all the real townspeople in the game died and was also replaced by Shinra?? But how do you explain Vincent?? In Crisis Core Zack came to the mansion and he sees the tomb of Vincent but he don't touch it right?? So Shinra does not touch or change anything in the Shinra Mansion only the town houses?? And what happened to Zangan and Tifa's dad?? Have too many questions sorry.
EDIT:Forget about the question about the townspeople I've seen the report.
Zangan left. The letter to Tifa you find later says such. Tifa's dad was killed by Sephiroth (probably trying to stop him from getting inside Jenova's chamber). As for the Shinra Mansion, it wasn't touched. We don't know how or why Sephiroth decided to burn the town or how he did so so quickly after leaving the Mansion's basement. Shinra covered it up because they wanted Sephiroth to remain a hero in the eyes of the people. If word spread that one of Shinra's best SOLDIERs went crazy and torched a town they'd lose faith in Shinra. So they rebuilt the town completely and hired people to pretend like nothing happened.
Or he could've summon Bahamut to destroy the town or Ifrit. There's no better explanation than magic or summon to the burning town so fast.So that means all the real townspeople in the game died and was also replaced by Shinra?? But how do you explain Vincent?? In Crisis Core Zack came to the mansion and he sees the tomb of Vincent but he don't touch it right?? So Shinra does not touch or change anything in the Shinra Mansion only the town houses?? And what happened to Zangan and Tifa's dad?? Have too many questions sorry.
EDIT:Forget about the question about the townspeople I've seen the report.
Zangan left. The letter to Tifa you find later says such. Tifa's dad was killed by Sephiroth (probably trying to stop him from getting inside Jenova's chamber). As for the Shinra Mansion, it wasn't touched. We don't know how or why Sephiroth decided to burn the town or how he did so so quickly after leaving the Mansion's basement. Shinra covered it up because they wanted Sephiroth to remain a hero in the eyes of the people. If word spread that one of Shinra's best SOLDIERs went crazy and torched a town they'd lose faith in Shinra. So they rebuilt the town completely and hired people to pretend like nothing happened.
I always try to put myself in characters positions and also more in a novel sense than a game sense. I forget the limitations provided by the games gprahical and animation procedures and try to imagine their world as my own,as If I were really cloud or sephiroth.
Here's my analysis.
Sephrioth's entire life and being were challenged when he saw the experiments going on in that reactor.In an already troubled life not knowing exactly where you came from, coupled with the horror of reality, made him snap.
After studying to learn his past, cloud comes, and sephiroth enters the final stage of his insanity.
Seeing how Sephiroth is so powerful, it would make sense that he is VERY fast, I always assumed he was MUCH faster than cloud, and upon exiting the mansion, he cast the mother of all fire spells on the town so that he would not have anyone in his way and could slow you down.
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.png
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png
This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.png
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png
This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt
burnt down and rebuilt over the 5 years. Some people DID survive, those were the people that you see in Nibelheim in black cloaks. Hojo used them as Sephiroth test subjects like Cloud and Zack. The most noticeable one is the two kids in the house next to Tifa's, when you visit them as Cloud in the flashback, one copies the other, and the two in black cloaks do the same when you visit them during disk 1. Due to one being in Tifa's house, its quite possible that Sephiroth didnt actually kill Tifa's father at all, but left him unconscious for Hojo to experiment on.
burnt down and rebuilt over the 5 years. Some people DID survive, those were the people that you see in Nibelheim in black cloaks. Hojo used them as Sephiroth test subjects like Cloud and Zack. The most noticeable one is the two kids in the house next to Tifa's, when you visit them as Cloud in the flashback, one copies the other, and the two in black cloaks do the same when you visit them during disc 1. Due to one being in Tifa's house, its quite possible that Sephiroth didnt actually kill Tifa's father at all, but left him unconscious for Hojo to experiment on.So they were made clones of Sephiroth?? So everyone who stayed alive in there was made an experiment like Zack and Cloud. How sad. :-( Last Question, Cloud carried Tifa to the side when she was slashed by Sephiroth right?? It means she was there when Zack and Cloud was used as experiments. Question is what happened to Tifa?? Who healed her and why did she end up on midgar?? I thought it was Zangan who healed her but as you said, Sephiroth killed Zangan.
Oops I mistook Zangan for Tifa's father. Sorry. I understand the story more. Hmm But I wonder why she ended up working with Barret. Maybe she joined since they were fighting Shinra and its the reason for the loss of many important persons in her life.(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs33/f/2008/311/7/8/Duh_by_nekookami.gif)
Why wasn't Genesis or Angeal mentioned in Final Fantasy VII or Advent Children?
Why wasn't Genesis or Angeal mentioned in Final Fantasy VII or Advent Children?
The only characters that knew of them were either dead, or not seen much. Besides, why would they need to be mentioned?
Cloud only saw Genesis when he had severe mako poisoning, and never saw Angeal
He didn't get all of Zack's memories. A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.
As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.png
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png
This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt
Thanks for that I can actually see the main difference is the texture of the houses.http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.png
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png
This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt
http://i.imagehost.org/dl/9ac1313c3424e1845f8d9c62b5217b94/0857/nibelheim_past-new.gif
Animated gif, transitioning between the past/current Nibelheim, easy to spot the differences.
It is interesting that the Manor didn't catch fire (or at least hadn't at that point, and if it did then the damage must have been minor).
Nah, not at all. It was extremely well done. I already really enjoyed the game, the ending just made it even better.He didn't get all of Zack's memories. A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.
As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.
That part was really sad for me. I could feel my eyes watering up during the last moments of Crisis Core. Yes, go ahead call me a pussy.
Don't worry about it dude. That part made me sad but the part that kind of made me cry was when the letter was flying and when Tseng have all Zack's letters and Aerith didn't know what happened to Zack. Kinda liked the idea that Zack was coming home to Aerith but was killed in his attempt to save Cloud. "sad" :(He didn't get all of Zack's memories. A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.
As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.
That part was really sad for me. I could feel my eyes watering up during the last moments of Crisis Core. Yes, go ahead call me a pussy.