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Off-topic forums => Completely Unrelated => Topic started by: ultima espio on 2010-06-04 21:16:15
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Congrats on becoming a Global Moderator!
Now just dont abuse your powers... :evil: :P
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Well damn, congratulations on the rank up my good friend. :-D
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Congrats, now it's time for you to go clean house.
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Congrats, now it's time for you to go clean house.
+1 yes time for some house keeping for sure.
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Congratz!
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gradulations dude
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Congratz and good luck!
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I seriously didnt think youd get it cause you asked, but you had my vote all along!
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Woot! Go me.
My first act as new moderator is to clean this place up. It seems only fitting that I start with banning the members I don't like. Good luck to everyone!
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Oh shi- -hides under a rock-
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Cool!
In "Who's Online", obesebear's name is a darker blue. Like how the admins get their names red.
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Woot! Go me.
My first act as new moderator is to clean this place up. It seems only fitting that I start with banning the members I don't like. Good luck to everyone!
I lol'd.
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And then, next thing you know, you're banned :evil:
jk
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Woot! Go me.
My first act as new moderator is to clean this place up. It seems only fitting that I start with banning the members I don't like. Good luck to everyone!
O.O uh oh... *runs for the hills*
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All right, well let's put this thread to some use. What would you guys like to see different around here? What works? What doesn't? What should be added? Your thoughts on certain rules... etc etc.
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well, personally (not joking here) i think a special area other than completely unrelated where we can, pardon my language, be as big a jackass and joke around about as stupid stuff as we want
see if we can REALLY get it out of our systems (if you all know me, you know i have a habit of making bad jokes :P)
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2 things I'd like :
- split game tweaking into graphics mod and technical mods
- add a release forum were finished patches could be added (that's pyrozen's idea but an awesome one nonetheless)
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well, personally (not joking here) i think a special area other than completely unrelated where we can, pardon my language, be as big a jackass and joke around about as stupid stuff as we want
see if we can REALLY get it out of our systems (if you all know me, you know i have a habit of making bad jokes :P)
I dont see this as necessary. This could be done almost anywhere else.
As for ideas, topics need to be in proper place. No exceptions.
No useless posts except in unrelated.
New topics about things that have been answered should be deleted on sight.
I will probably come up with more. Give me a while
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well, personally (not joking here) i think a special area other than completely unrelated where we can, pardon my language, be as big a jackass and joke around about as stupid stuff as we want
see if we can REALLY get it out of our systems (if you all know me, you know i have a habit of making bad jokes :P)
I dont see this as necessary. This could be done almost anywhere else.
As for ideas, topics need to be in proper place. No exceptions.
No useless posts except in unrelated.
New topics about things that have been answered should be deleted on sight.
I will probably come up with more. Give me a while
sounds almost authoritarian but given the way things are lately, i suppose its quite valid :D though i myself recently got a lil on your bad side, again i apologize about that
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Congrats man! ;D
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well, personally (not joking here) i think a special area other than completely unrelated where we can, pardon my language, be as big a jackass and joke around about as stupid stuff as we want
see if we can REALLY get it out of our systems (if you all know me, you know i have a habit of making bad jokes :P)
I dont see this as necessary. This could be done almost anywhere else.
As for ideas, topics need to be in proper place. No exceptions.
No useless posts except in unrelated.
New topics about things that have been answered should be deleted on sight.
I will probably come up with more. Give me a while
sounds almost authoritarian but given the way things are lately, i suppose its quite valid :D though i myself recently got a lil on your bad side, again i apologize about that
No problem, mistakes happen. And honestly i think Authoritarianism is exactly what is needed here. Disobedience breeds anarchy.
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Jeez SL1982 I'd probably wouldn't want to have you as my boss. I'm abit too mischievious.
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Disobedience breeds anarchy.
Hey, what you got against anarchists? :P
I think a 'release' area would be good, then we could get rid of 'programming feedback' and a lot of good stuff is scattered all over the place.
And maybe a FAQ area could be beneficial.
Just ideas
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well, personally (not joking here) i think a special area other than completely unrelated where we can, pardon my language, be as big a jackass and joke around about as stupid stuff as we want
see if we can REALLY get it out of our systems (if you all know me, you know i have a habit of making bad jokes :P)
I dont see this as necessary. This could be done almost anywhere else.
As for ideas, topics need to be in proper place. No exceptions.
No useless posts except in unrelated.
New topics about things that have been answered should be deleted on sight.
I will probably come up with more. Give me a while
I didn't see this post before. Hmm then does that mean obesebear should just delete new topics that are posted in the wrong place or he will first post at the new thread for some warning?? And then he will lock it?
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I didn't see this post before. Hmm then does that mean obesebear should just delete new topics that are posted in the wrong place or he will first post at the new thread for some warning?? And then he will lock it?
I didnt say that. Topics can easily be moved to their proper place.
Anyways I am not a mod for the areas that he is, so it is totally up to him what he wishes to do. These were only my opinions.
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Would you like to tell us what powers you have now? ;D
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It might be nice to have a "Forum Rules" tab up at the top (along with Home, Help, Search, etc).
Have each rule with an HTML anchor. That way, if someone posts something breaking a rule, while you're not around, no one has to actually say anything when they respond. They could just post a link to the rule being broken.
Just a thought. It might not really help anything.
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In the other thread I mentioned moving stuff around. I think it would still be a good thing to get everything sorted. Out with old in with new as I say.
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I didn't see this post before. Hmm then does that mean obesebear should just delete new topics that are posted in the wrong place or he will first post at the new thread for some warning?? And then he will lock it?
I didnt say that. Topics can easily be moved to their proper place.
Anyways I am not a mod for the areas that he is, so it is totally up to him what he wishes to do. These were only my opinions.
Oh sorry I think that's what you meant. Guess I don't know much about what a moderator can do.
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not sure if you have the power, but can signatures be reactivated? Maybe keep them locked until a user has over 400 posts or something to cut down on excessive graphical signatures.
lee
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1. I doubt anybody but an administrator can do that.
2. One-character sigs are fun, they require an entirely new form of creativity!
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not sure if you have the power, but can signatures be reactivated? Maybe keep them locked until a user has over 400 posts or something to cut down on excessive graphical signatures.
lee
Well you have your own signature yourself. :) I wonder if its possible to have longer signatures..
frozt
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I like the idea for sigs for people with post counts over X. Sadly, I don't think that can be done with SMF
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well, personally (not joking here) i think a special area other than completely unrelated where we can, pardon my language, be as big a jackass and joke around about as stupid stuff as we want
Not gonna happen.
- split game tweaking into graphics mod and technical mods
- add a release forum were finished patches could be added (that's pyrozen's idea but an awesome one nonetheless)
The release forum is a good idea, but that's what we have the wiki for. Granted it needs to be better updated with a lot of things, but I don't yet have access to do something like that. Also, read a little lower, I might have a similar solution.
Why the need to split the graphics from the technical?
New topics about things that have been answered should be deleted on sight.
I agree wholeheartedly with this, and will apply it to anyone with more than 5 posts.
...we could get rid of 'programming feedback' and a lot of good stuff is scattered all over the place.
And maybe a FAQ area could be beneficial.
I think instead what needs to start happening is:
•When any program is a WIP or Release, it needs to be posted in Game Tweaking, then kept clean of pointless posts so that the author can easily keep it updated with any progress made. This will also make it easier to find the latest releases and know what the changes are.
•All problems concerning said program, or mod, will be addressed in Programming Feedback.
•Tech Support will be used for general problems getting the game running.
•Tech Related will be used for discussion of file formats.. AI.. all that cool guy talk that I don't understand 8)
•General is still for anything Final Fantasy related. Just remember you still need to stay on topic.
•FAQ forum already exists, but it does need some cleaning up...
•And of course Completely Unrelated... which is insanely popular lately. Just keep it PG. Necroing topics here is fine.
Would you like to tell us what powers you have now? ;D
Why, so you can exploit my weaknesses!? I think not!
It might be nice to have a "Forum Rules" tab up at the top (along with Home, Help, Search, etc).
Have each rule with an HTML anchor. That way, if someone posts something breaking a rule, while you're not around, no one has to actually say anything when they respond. They could just post a link to the rule being broken.
Instead, How about I compile all the rules scattered about into 1 post in the FAQ forum.
In the other thread I mentioned moving stuff around. I think it would still be a good thing to get everything sorted. Out with old in with new as I say.
It's a huge forum. As such this is a large WIP.
not sure if you have the power, but can signatures be reactivated? Maybe keep them locked until a user has over 400 posts or something to cut down on excessive graphical signatures.
I don't have the power to do that, but even if I did I wouldn't. Unless someone made a really strong argument for a reason they are necessary.
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Everybody knows your username must be a off green color for all of the cool mod powers [/sarcasm]
Real question though? Whats wrong with yellow? I demand that an admin position be colored yellow!!!!. That is my request thank you.
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So obesebear here is my question..
When we normal members see someone post about problems he/she haves using the released mod, should we help them there, ignore or tell them to go to programming feedback so that their question would be answered?? If we don't answer their questions in Game Tweaking maybe they'll know they should know they asked in the wrong thread..
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For now just keep on helping, I've got a really busy weekend but hopefully starting Monday some of this can start taking effect.
If someone posts anywhere but programming feedback for problems related directly to a mod or patch, make sure to let them know it should be in programming feedback. Then link them to the existing thread there if there is one. I'll be merging them all into one.
After this has been in effect for a while, any members who have been here for a while will find their post simply deleted if it's obviously in the wrong place. The same goes for the rest of the forums. If enough time has passed that I think everyone knows where posts should go, it will be your fault if it magically disappears.
Also, I think I need to clarify something about helping people. If the person is brand new, it's still just fine to help them. Hopefully I can iron out a good way to make the rules obvious to all new registering members. If a question is posted by someone that should know the rules, and that question has been answered plenty of times, ignore it and I will get around to deleting it. BUT, if they take the time to explain what all they have tried and maybe the threads they looked up, and it looks like they made a genuine effort, DEFINITELY help. Help threads like that are how we learn of new problems and find solutions, and can even be linked to as solutions in the future. "HALP PLZ I SERcchd 4 YEARS!!!" Helps no one, and is only annoying.
Of course, a lot of this reorganizing may change, I'm extremely tired and what may sound like a good idea right now, might not seem so bright tomorrow.
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So is there just you been promoted? I really think you should have more help, this is a big forum after all.
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For now yes, honestly I don't think it's too big a job right yet. I just need to get all my thoughts organized, and have some good, non sleep deprived time on my hands. Halkun, myself, sl1982, and Timu might be enough, we'll just have to see once everything gets in place.
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Ok then, at the end of the day we are all friends here, and we'll help each other out.
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IMO, programming feedback just sounds very vague to a new user. Something like Mod/Patch Support would be a more defining title don't ya think? If I came in here new nd saw the forums you guys had and I had a mod/patch prob, and not a general problem with the game, I would still put it in tech support because programming feedback just sounds like somewhere a new user shouldnt post for help in.
And for that matter wouldn't changing texh support to Game Support could clarify that programming feedback(Mod/Patch support) is for Mods and patches while Tech Support(Game Support) Would obviously be just for the base game. Just a thought.
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My God, guys. I literally just posted exactly what the description is for each of the forums. I am way too tired, this is going to have to be my last post for tonight.
Anyways, those descriptions will now be heavily enforced :P
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Sorry bout hitting you with those posts man, see ya tomorrow!
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My God, guys. I literally just posted exactly what the description is for each of the forums. I am way too tired, this is going to have to be my last post for tonight.
Anyways, those descriptions will now be heavily enforced :P
The Team Avalanche forum will now strictly be for emo fanboys.
j/k. The descriptions you posted all sound good.
I hope you have a good rest - and that we don't wear you out with a zillion ideas. :-)
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My God, guys. I literally just posted exactly what the description is for each of the forums. I am way too tired, this is going to have to be my last post for tonight.
Anyways, those descriptions will now be heavily enforced :P
The Team Avalanche forum will now strictly be for emo fanboys.
j/k. The descriptions you posted all sound good.
I hope you have a good rest - and that we don't wear you out with a zillion ideas. :-)
Exactly, so all you emo's out there better start helping out!
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Why the need to split the graphics from the technical?
Because "technical" mods get swamped by new models, new skins, new avatars, etc.
Maybe 90% of mods are graphical ?
After a while, they all start to blend in apart from a few specific projects like TA's and the NPC's.
Reunion really started the trend for grahical mods a few years ago and its been growing ever since. As such, I find I'm much more interested in "game tweaking" mods rather than just graphical mods (apart from the few that really stand out).
Given the origins of this board, I'd think I'm probably not the only one who thinks that and I'd like to see both kept separate for easier access.
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i totally agree marc, that why i wanted separate forums for GFX and gameplay. However, by splitting the game tweaking forums you decrease the amount of traffic for both sides, so eventually one forum will be less populated(my guess is gameplay). I think a forum simply for releases is the best answer, but the current setup could easily suffice now that we have an active moderator to keep things tidy.
Give it a few weeks and i'm sure things will greatly improve, not that qhimm was a train wreck prior, it just needed some TLC.
thanks obesebear :)
lee
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My God, guys. I literally just posted exactly what the description is for each of the forums. I am way too tired, this is going to have to be my last post for tonight.
Anyways, those descriptions will now be heavily enforced :P
The Team Avalanche forum will now strictly be for emo fanboys.
j/k. The descriptions you posted all sound good.
I hope you have a good rest - and that we don't wear you out with a zillion ideas. :-)
Exactly, so all you emo's out there better start helping out!
does being a psychodic joker count? :P
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Game Tweaking is for
Patches, mods and other tweaks for your FF game.
So basically it will only be for releases and works-in-progress.
I'd like to keep all issues with the programs strictly in programming feedback. That way anyone who has a bug that's already been found can easily find the solution. I say easily...but... well we'll just have to wait and see I guess. Keeping all the threads on topic will also help when trying to scroll through posts for solutions.
Just give me a few weeks to get everything together, and see if finding what you're looking for isn't much easier.
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Game Tweaking is for Patches, mods and other tweaks for your FF game.
So basically it will only be for releases and works-in-progress.
I'd like to keep all issues with the programs strictly in programming feedback. That way anyone who has a bug that's already been found can easily find the solution. I say easily...but... well we'll just have to wait and see I guess. Keeping all the threads on topic will also help when trying to scroll through posts for solutions.
Just give me a few weeks to get everything together, and see if finding what you're looking for isn't much easier.
Shouldn't you move the Custom Graphics Driver made by Aali to the Game Tweaking section? I never really understood why it was in Tech Related.
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Shouldn't you move the Custom Graphics Driver made by Aali to the Game Tweaking section? I never really understood why it was in Tech Related.
Yep, and Kimera needs to not be in Programming Feedback. I'm debating putting [REL] and [WIP] to designate releases and works in progress. Instead, maybe it's a better idea to only have WIP and anything without the [wip] will be a release...
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Shouldn't you move the Custom Graphics Driver made by Aali to the Game Tweaking section? I never really understood why it was in Tech Related.
Yep, and Kimera needs to not be in Programming Feedback. I'm debating putting [REL] and [WIP] to designate releases and works in progress. Instead, maybe it's a better idea to only have WIP and anything without the [wip] will be a release...
The [REL] and [WIP] would make it look more organized. Then maybe you could put the version number after that? Like this...
[REL][v0.7.7b]Custom Graphic Drivers
Just an idea. Totally up to you. :)
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i think thread tags are the best bet for organization. the release and WIP are a good start, if we could get people to accept more it would be great.
[REL] Releases only, followed by version number if needed
[WIP] Works-In-Progress
[TUTORIAL] Obviously tells someone else how to do something(i saw this today and its a great idea)
[HELP] or [???] Someone has a question
this might seem kinda over the top, but it lets you find what you want at a glance, without digging through all of the threads. just a suggestion.
lee
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I think WIP and TUT or TUTORIAL should be fine. If it doesn't have WIP in front of it, it's a release. Questions are usually stated that way in their topic. "Need help with new driver" "Can't get FF7 Music to work"
But if it says "[TUT] Need help with new driver" then it's a tutorial. If everything has a beginning tag it will look pretty ridiculous I think
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I think Program threads like Kimera and Makou reactor should be stickied, so they are easy to find :P
Or create a sub section designed for programs, and another for patches. Just an idea :P
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Hold your horses >:(
Really though, Halkun has already taken care of most every program that would need to be stickied by linking to it in the "ULTRASTICKY!!!"
As for separating programs from the patches and graphical mods. This may or may not be done later on.
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Lol nice thread title.
So how do you like your position? :P
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Oh it's super fun! Imagine rummaging through dozens of pointless posts trying to find the material worth keeping.
But the pay makes it worth it.
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Wait, you get paid for this?
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I'm pretty sure he was joking.
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Of course. Why else would I want this job? Just to have a nice forum to frequent? Haha. Come on now, something has to pay the bills.
lol
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Wait, you guys didn't know? I've made like an undisclosed amount already. What, you thought we were contributing to the forums of our own generosity?? HA!
Mod Edit--- No discussion of how much you've made, please!
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Since apparently not everyone knows, once you contribute to these forums you get a little "donation" of sorts. Usually depending on the usefulness of your program. Things like graphical mods don't get anything, but if you make a program or are staff you get a paypal donation. No one is allowed to discuss how much they've been given, but I don't think there's any harm if everyone knows contributing here is rewarded.
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Where does this "donation" come from?
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Chuck Norris?
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Lol are you guys retarted? Are you seriously trying to convince ppl that you get money for doing these mods?
ROFL... It would be a cool thing to happen though, I mean I wouldnt need the money, but Im sure it would motivate other users.
And LOL'ed at the new title.
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OMG u get pade to do dis ??
i go make loadsa modz noaw!
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I think he said members who only made a program that are useful get donations not mods. :-X
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I think he said members who only made a program that are useful get donations not mods. :-X
I'm pretty sure he's teasing us :roll:
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I just got my donation today!
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Well done obesebear
I hoped i would be one, over time as i don't really like people going off topic in threads
I'm sure you will do a good job !
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Well done obesebear
I hoped i would be one, over time as i don't really like people going off topic in threads
I'm sure you will do a good job !
Thanks. Hopefully I can make you proud ;)
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Now, there's two topics for every mod and every program. Conversations are broken apart, and every thread made in the past week or so is complete chaos.
Is it safe to assume that over time this'll become less of a clusterfuck as we get used to the new organization, or just false hope?
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You better come over to Team Avalanche and enjoy the tranquility.
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Any chance of placing the posts back into the retranslation thread? Seem to be down to the main post only? or is this intended?
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Intended. I think there is going to be a seperate thread in programming feedback for discussion. Game tweaking is supposed to be only about the release.
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The problem is, big programs like the custom graphics driver are swamped with fix after fix after bug after discussion after fix.
Try to think of Game Tweaking as strictly for releases.. as far as programs are concerned. Everything can't be linked in the wiki, there are just too many different ones. There is no reason for the author to make a separate thread in programming feedback; as soon as the first person wants to discuss or report a bug with the newest version, a new thread will be made. Problems using the programs DEFINITELY need to be kept separate. Suggestions too. And bug reports pretty much go hand in hand with problems. Trying to start this in the middle of everything of course will be a clusterf*** (as I predicted :( ). But take a look at the Black Chocobo thread in Game Tweaking. I think it's a pretty ideal example of what a thread should look like for a program (postings only by author). Its programming feedback thread is, of course, horrible. However, once new versions are released, new threads will be made in programming feedback that will look much more normal.
I honestly believe this will end up working much better than the setup we've been using. If anyone has a better suggestion (besides leaving everything as it is), please chime in! I am more than open to input.
Seifer, your retranslation thread will be restored since it is a project you're undertaking. For now, all projects like yours and Bosola's Rebirth project, will keep full discussion.
Side note: Hopefully in a few days the programs will be separate from the projects and graphical mods in their own sub-forum.
Oh also! It's not going to be a direct split from the first post. I'm going to move back all the authors posts pertaining to changes and releases. It will then be up to the author if he wants to delete some of them (as Sithlord did) or just leave them, makes no difference to me. So basically, if you're making a program, feel free to quintuple post... for now
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Yeah a double post, whatevs.
Really no one has any suggestions besides having subforums for Game Tweaking? Everyone thinks keeping Game Tweaking just available for the author is a good idea, and has complete faith it will end up working better in the long run?
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Works for me personally. Only thing i can think of which is out of your scope of abilities is to have a seperate title for people who write programs. This title is tied to the game tweaking section and only people who have this can post there. Something like Program Author. I know it can be done since Hermoor was able to post only in one area due to his 'Jesus' title.
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if your gonna do that w/ game tweaking then i suggest renaming it to "releases" or something cause game tweaking sounds a bit loose as a section. just my 2 cent work . oh and thanks for the kind words about the black chocobo thread :)
oh and i completely agree w/ sl on limiting who can post there either way, only problem i see w/ that is new programmers putting there stuff in that section. would need to be "blessed" first so they can write there.
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if your gonna do that w/ game tweaking then i suggest renaming it to "releases" or something cause game tweaking sounds a bit loose as a section. just my 2 cent work . oh and thanks for the kind words about the black chocobo thread :)
oh and i completely agree w/ sl on limiting who can post there either way, only problem i see w/ that is new programmers putting there stuff in that section. would need to be "blessed" first so they can write there.
Well maybe there could be a new simple rule for new people who want to post things there like first sending PM's and showing their work in that PM to a mod and if the mod approves then he could post it there. Just a suggestion. :-X
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that is how it would have to be done in that method..
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Sounds good to me.
Let's see how it looks in a few weeks.
I do have to say though, you certainly aren't afraid of challenges!
edit : that also entails that all WIP be released in Programming Feedback or not ?
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The separate title would likely require admin approval, so it's a little beyond what I can do... and probably beyond what any of the admins would want to do. So... unlikely.
As for renaming Game Tweaking to Releases, let's just wait on that. I ran a few ideas by Qhimm on how to split it into sub-forums, so we'll have to see how he ends up splitting it.
edit : that also entails that all WIP be released in Programming Feedback or not ?
I'm not quite sure what you mean.
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Hey man, I've notice you moved a lot of posts by newer members asking some questions but how would they know where have it been moved?? Is there anyways they could be alerted when their posts have been moved??
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Well, you can always click your profile and view your last posts to find it.
For NEW members there is a courtesy "This Topic has been moved to [forum]" note left behind, but only for a few hours. New members are defined by ~5 posts or less. If a member has over 10 posts, sorry.
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edit : that also entails that all WIP be released in Programming Feedback or not ?
I'm not quite sure what you mean.
Where do program WIP fit in ? Programming feedback or game tweaking ?
Should people just post their first release in game tweaking or wait until its hit release status to post in game tweaking ?
More rethorical than anything though.
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I guess it really depends on what you're doing. If it's to create a new program from scratch, it would be Tech Related, anything such as messing with the graphics would be Game Tweaking. It is kind of a bother to have to move threads from Game Tweaking that have new release threads. I don't know if I'd recommend programming feedback though. All the programs and mods will end up having plenty of individual threads (I doubt I'll feel like constantly merging them) So if you don't mind the WIP getting lost in all that, feel free to throw it in Programming Feedback.
Hopefully projects and graphical mods will be getting their own subforum to separate them from programs. Until that happens, wherever is fine ... within reason.
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Ultra Necro!!
I was just browsing through here and saw the suggestion of a seperate group that is able to post in mods/tools. Is this something people are still interested in?
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Just browsing through eh?? Lies! You saw I was looking at it first and decided to stalk me. Fantastic.. Just fantastic.
I'm not quite following what it is you're suggesting.. A group of people? or another child board?
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More of a need special permission to create new threads type thing.
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I don't think it needs special permissions. Since implementation I can't recall anyone creating a thread in Tools that shouldn't have. Plus there are the occasional new members whose first post is contributing a new mod like the recent Sailor Mars thing.
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Very well, scrap that idea.