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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [LAUNCH Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-30 20:29:08 »

Agreed with Tuxedo "I may be dead" make her sound like a zombie
How about "I may be part of the lifestream now" instead?
Just saying

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [LAUNCH Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-29 22:12:35 »

I guess you won't tell me, but I just have to ask
After the final battle does she have some sort of ending dialogue?
If that is the case, ¿how does it come? know it could not be a "happy ending" but I still hope for a "bittersweet" parting scene between Cloud & Aerith

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-18 05:52:21 »

Well I guess I may be taking this a lil too deep to heart, it's just that Aerith was my favorite character of the game, (& one of my favorites from the saga, among with Rydia from FF4 & Rikku from FF10) and I was never content whit her death being "permanent" I know it sounds silly, but to the last second of the game I was hoping for she to be revived (by the power of Holy unleashed or something like that).
So when I find this patch, I got all exited about her resurrecting and many memories from the game came to my mind all at once and I start making up stuff, but you are right guys, it's just a patch for fun and it's not intented to change the cannon, or match my personal preference, (if that were the case I will stick with the "Happy Ending" they escape the crater together later on Cloud married Aerith in a beatufully detailed video in the old churn of the slums & Advent Children never happened ).

I just hope that Square-Enix decided to make a official sequel someday and that they allow the player to bring her back to life as part of the quest.

Again that is just my wish, I'm not intenting to start an argue about  it will be Square's best option or not.

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-18 01:14:47 »

Well my last post was going along with the idea of she leaving at the end, I just wanted she to she to have a motive and a farewell cuote, sorry if I over-extended, I got a little carried away when it comes to final fantasy.

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-16 06:31:09 »

Or on a different note, perhaps he could release alternate versions. One with the happy ending, and one with  Aeris just fading out like a ghost.

That sounds very reasonable to me

Or there may be a third option, Aerith could tell Cloud that after they defeat Sephiroth she has to return to the lifestream in order to control the power of "Holy" and make sure that the energy of the two magics in collision is somehow contained, cause otherways the planet may be saved but a immense amount of people (maybe most of the human race) will be destroyed by the explosion, this possibilty (the human race being wiped out of existence by the will or power of the planet) is refered by Red XIII's "Grandfather" in Cosmo Cayon so it adjust well to the cannon, so after Sephiroth is defeated she voluntary returns to the lifestream alive, with a nice parting frase and the promise that she and Cloud will be togeter again when the right time comes.

I like this scenario because it covers most of the pros with almost no problems, say:

1. We could have Aerith during the whole game for full game play experience, she will be in all the way to the final battle, ready to kick Sephiroth's ass for some payback.

2. It works all together with the "Advent Children" plot, in fact it may explain pretty well with she is able to help Cloud with the powers of the lifestream, because she is living within it.

3. It also works with Cloud s grimmy actitude in "Advent Children" he just miss her a lot, and blames himself for letting the things go so critical that Aerith have to part with him in order to save the world.

4. The "We will be together again when the time is right" works in two different ways and both are cool:

It could mean that they will reunite whitin the lifestream when Cloud is ready, this goes along with one of the last scenes of "Advent Children" after bein seriously wounded in the last battle, Cloud find himself alonside Aerith in wath I think is the inner part of the lifestream, but Aerith tells him that is not the time jet and sends in back to the world of the living as he regains conciense in the old churn.

Or it could mean that in the future (a sequel maybe ¿Final Fantasy VII-2?)  she will return to the world of the living with the help of Cloud.

5. Her act of selfless sacrifice will remain as great as always, even greater as she also take active part in kicking Sephiroth's butt, but will be a lot less sad.

I think it will be a lot better that she just vanishing like her batteries run off or something.

Well that is my proposal I hope you like
 

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-16 03:28:53 »

I was not suggesting to change the whole history, just the ending, I only put the KH reference to ilustrate my point that alternate versions of Cloud and Aerith have already been made (In fact Aerith is not even dead in the KH1 plot)
In fact as far as the project as evolved, the history as already undergone a significant change  in order to give Aerith more playtime, as giving her dialogues means giving her interaction with the other party members, the only way to actually accept this patch and keep strictly attached to the cannon, will be go with the previous suggestion of the "ghost aerith" bringing her back with a transparent model, without dialogues, without anybody noticing her presence, just for the sake of gameplay.
Then again the ending won't change that much, the Advent Children movie, makes clear that the planet and all the main characters survive the ordeal, (even president Rufus that I tought was vaporised by a "Weapon"attack) the only thing that will change is that Cloud won't become depressed and lonely, has he was seen in AC.
About the "double edge sword" I agreed with you, this game in particular have been subjet to intense debate, and there is no real consess on anything about it, for starters some people even argue if the game is good or not, and there is some people that absolutly hate Aerith, while others (like me ) love her, everyone is free take their side, but I guess that many of the people interesed in this patch actually liked the flower girl, so my point is that  my "happy ending" suggestion won't appeal to all the final fantasy 7 fans, but I think it will appeal to many final fantasy 7 fans that actually liked Aerith, those that didn't liked her or think that the game was perfect the way it was, and that her permanent death was indeed necesary just have to abstent from using this particular patch.
And again, maybe I was not clear enought, I didn't mean to change the  ending video, (it is amazing) or anything, I just mean that she should not dissapear, just have them all escape the crater together, then you could just assume that she and cloud are ok, or if you want to keep with the cannon establised by AC assume that she returned to the lifestream shortly after the battle.
After all the original ending was not very explicit about the fate of the heroes, exept for Red XII who seems to have two kids some hundreds of years later.
 

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-16 00:26:26 »

Well since you are going through all the work of bringing her back and giving her new lines why don't go all the way out and go for the happy ending, you know Aerith & Cloud surviving together.
I know this will crash with the events in Advent Children, but it's not like it will that much of a crime to just assume an alternate ending, in fact I think the reason that Aerith & Cloud remain popular even after so long, it is becasue alternate versions of their love history have been feactured in other Square-Enix games, she is protected by Cloud in a chapter of Final Fantasic Tactics, and they reunite at the ending of Kingdom Hearts 1, in fact Cloud's history in that game is about him making a deal with Hercules's nemesis Hades in order to recover his "light", and we all know that Hades is the greek god of the dead souls, so that is about how much he cared about her, he was ready to make a deal with the devil himself in order to have her back.
So please consider just letting them stay together, I think Cloud would be happy about it and a lot of fans, me included, will thank you a lot. 

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-15 15:46:18 »

You mean making Aerith fade out?
Please don't do that it will be depressing

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-15 00:10:59 »

Just a quick idea
Almost at the ending, there is this video where Aerith's hand strech to save Cloud and then is remplaced by Tifa 's hand, may it be possible to cut the video short before it is changed, I mean now that she is there, she could help Cloud herself, I may be a small but cool change.

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-14 21:23:19 »

That last last dialogue soo Aerith that it automaticaly make me smile 
Great job Ultima

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-14 14:40:42 »

Personally I will try a mixed approach, a start with serious part  like "I'm really relieved that you (Cloud) came back from me..." toned down with a little light comment like "...I knew you cared about me more than you showed mr. Soldier" she then should begin regaining her cheerfull self lil by lil during the rest of the game, so to the end of the game she may have completely rebuild her self-confidense and be ready to face Sephiroth, in fact will be interesting to have Cloud try to convince her to stay out of the last mission in fear Sephiroth will hurt her again, but she adamantly deciding to stay in something in lines of... "Of course I'm scared, but I won't run away".

Anyway I think the most important thing is to make she show she is happy to be back with her friends but still concerned with the fate of the planet.

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-13 20:49:36 »

I dissagred with that last post, I think one of Aerith's main atractives is her ability to stay cheerfull even in dire times, I mean, if you come to think about it, the history left the "cute" behind when it spiraled around an evil megacorporation that exploits the very lifeblood of the planet to makes a corrupt corporate empire, one that conducts biological research to crate superhuman soldiers using procces that may cripple or kill the subjets, while all together making misserable the lives of thousands of people that are force to leave in sunless slums cause they could no affort a place in the upper plate of Migdar, so ¿who will be willing to care about flowers and smile in a world like that? Aerith that is who.
She never left her "cute" side behind even thought she had both of her parents killed by Shinra, lost contact with Zack, had to live in the slums herself, and was frequently chased by Shinra's thugs, as you can see she at a lot of reasons to be grim and gritty, yet she is not, she make the choise to stay on the bright side and be happy, that is a very important part of what she is and it could not just be "left behind" in this project.

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-13 18:06:18 »

Sounds great, please consider putting some "cute" coutes to balance the deep meaning ones,
keep up the good work

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-13 04:06:49 »

Could you post some samples of her new dialogues?
I think it would be cool if the comunity could give some opinions & suggestions on what she say.

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Releases / Re: [WIP] Ultima Espio Final Fantasy VII Aeris patch [Video page 1]

« on: 2010-09-11 05:16:10 »

I found this project just recently, and I joined into the forum just to thank you for your efftorts, I'm not programmer at all so I can't really help you, but Aerith is one of my all favorite characters from all the final fantasy saga, and I have been waiting for a way to have her back at Cloud's side ever since I finished the game a long time ago.

Just a little suggection I'm no sure if this fits in your project, but I tought you may consider it.
The way I understood the game, and her later apparitions in the advent children movie, Aerith is not completely "Dead" I mean she can still have a large effect in the phisical world, she can actually "speak" to cloud, she saves him right after his final match with sephiroth (the famous hand sequense) aid Cloud in his battle with bahamut sin, and restore his life after he is nearly killed in the last confrontation of the movie againts sephiroth's brothers, in fact I susspect she became a even more powerfull magician after her "dead", well my point is that maybe (just maybe, please don't flame me on this one hardcore fans) aerith have all of it planned ahead, went Cloud and Aerith meet for the first time, she comments that she can't use her white materia, and she seem to know little about her Cetra/Ancient heritage, but after they visit the forgotten capital, she seems to learn a lot about it from the voices of her ancestors, maybe, again just maybe, one of the things that she learned & didn't told to anyone, is that to overcome her phisical limitations and attaint enought power like to manipulate "Holy" she needed to die, this will give the whole matter a most compeling insight, more than a ressurect, to undone a untimely and tragic death, it will be a rebirth, to complete a painfull yet heroic procces that will awaken her full power as a guardian of the planet, I tought it will be nice if you could ilustrate this point of view in her dialoges of later in the history, I mean that way she won't be talking just to fill in and make her fell real, but also to tell a compeling history about herself, here is a little example of how it could work

Aerith:
At first I was really scared of the tought of dying, but then I tought about you (Cloud) and  I know you will help me come back, I know you won't leave me.

(Sometime after getting back at the Party)

Aerith:
I made a journey thought the lifestream itself in order to attain wath I need to confront him (Sephiroth)

(When getting close to the final battle)

These are just a couple of quick examples, but I think you get the idea.

A just a last thing, will be nice if some of her dialogues involve a lil flirting with old Cloud, I always loved when she did that.

Well that is all I have to say for now, Thanks again and don't give up, I know there are a lot of fans waiting to see this project reach its full complection.