Author Topic: My European Friends...Sorry  (Read 16378 times)

ice_cold513

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Re: My European Friends...Sorry
« Reply #25 on: 2007-03-14 10:02:43 »
Well my mate getting the PS3 when it comes out in the UK. Mate won't got any updates till i go up there and do them for him.
I don't like how Sony messed around the one coming out here.
Will new PS3 that come's out in USA and Japan in a year be like the ones out here now??

But i'm staying out of this Gen-War for a year or two

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« Reply #26 on: 2007-03-20 15:34:38 »
MAD LULZ!

The list is out: http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/

FFX, FFX-2, Okami and latest FIFA versions barely run.

But get this... the PSX compatiblity list - which was supposed to be 100% - is lacking... fanfare please ...Final Fantasy VII. And I mean completely lacking. As in it won't run at all.

Additionally they instruct you - among other things - to skip FMVs. Because they might be corrupted. And disconnect your USB devices.

:-D

Teh ironing! It's delicious!  :-D

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« Reply #27 on: 2007-03-20 17:17:06 »
What the... what's wrong with Sony? Can't they make a decent PSX emulator at least? Man, If they have problems with this, I don't want to know how long will they take to run some PS2 games on their emulator.

James Pond

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« Reply #28 on: 2007-03-21 00:19:48 »
Oh my christ.


Im actually crying with laughter at that list, how shit can you possibly do?


Jari

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« Reply #29 on: 2007-03-22 00:14:57 »
...and FFXIII going multiplatform?

Quote from: SCEE VP Georges Fornay
Enfin, pour Final Fantasy XIII, je peux vous dire que l'exclusivité est en discussion (Lastly, for Final Fantasy XIII, I can say to you that exclusiveness is under discussion).

I actually do believe that this is either merely unfortunate choice of words on Fornay's part, or translation mishap... but it goes to show that with friends like these, Sony really doesn't need any enemies.

I mean, just before the European launch?

Having said that, I'd certainly welcome FF-games on 360, even though I don't have one.

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« Reply #30 on: 2007-03-22 09:14:01 »
Well, sony recently lost Devil May Cry 4 to the 360 and PC, lets hope for more to follow.

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« Reply #31 on: 2007-03-22 13:42:43 »
Wasn't it sony's intention to release FF7 as a downloadable game, at least for the PSP - that could be why it won't work.
Possibly in the future they might release selected PS2 games for purchase thus blocking them from working with it's PS2 emulator.

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« Reply #32 on: 2007-03-22 14:54:38 »
...that is so evil plan, that Sony might actually do it.

How nice of them, if that is indeed the reason. :|

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« Reply #33 on: 2007-03-28 16:39:35 »
It's funny how things work out, huh?

UK PS3 Launch Success

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« Reply #34 on: 2007-03-28 20:07:33 »
Fanboys are obviously a sick, masochistic bunch (and totally deserving of every rip-off Fony can come up with)... but if I was writing for Ars Technica, I'd think twice before quoting an unsourced figure from BBC.

It wouldn't be the first time BBC is talking out of its ass (this report is even sourced - and it still has no connection to reality. I was surprised enough by the Helsinki figures to dig out an actual stats from police and interior ministry. The figure quoted by BBC is "only" several times too large. *shrugs*)


Only (at least somewhat) verifiable source I have is this: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=6798 and it would seem to suggest that while it sells, it doesn't sell particularly well. When reading that, you have to keep in mind that they'll show all figures larger than 25 as "more than 25" instead of the actual number - to hide some information from competition, I suppose.

So, we know that they have received a minimum of 77 units. It could be lot more, of course. They might have received at least one shipment of 25 or more on Thursday too, I don't remember (it shows last 5 transactions on both received and sold, so it might be leaving the oldest ones out), so it might be more than 102.

They are still showing at least 25 unsold at their central warehouse, 3 in one of their actual stores (they do mostly e-retail via the Internets) and at least 25 in another of their stores (out of total of two stores).

Meaning that out of more than 77 received units, they still have more than 53 in stock.

They have sold more than 24, sure... I've been keeping an eye on the latest sales, and it looks like they sold maybe 10 to 20 yesterday and the day before that, maybe about 20 on Saturday and bit more than that on Friday. Today it seems to be that they have sold maybe only 5. That's for their internet sales, the actual stores have sold maybe a handful in that time.

This is the largest IT-etailer in Finland, but it's not very game oriented. Still, it's large enough to give some kind of impression about the actual sales.

I think that to reach 600,000 over the entire Europe, it would have to have almost record breaking sales in every country in Europe. England is the largest video game market in Europe (I believe, I'm not 100% sure), and the rest keep getting gradually smaller, some because of population, some because of purchasing power. While England is only about 10% of Europe population wise, the market is considerably larger in relation to say... Poland for example (which has about 80% of England's population, but purchasing power per capita is only 40% of England's... for now, at least).

At the very least it would have had to sell really well in Germany, and France, and I don't think that those two combined with England are anywhere large enough to account for 600,000 sales in total.

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« Reply #35 on: 2007-03-28 20:33:49 »
Figures are around 160k units for the UK.

So somewhere, another "440k" have to have been "sold" in the rest of the EU
« Last Edit: 2007-03-28 21:50:13 by James Pond »

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« Reply #36 on: 2007-03-28 21:34:42 »
Found this on ELSPA's page:

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Compared to the rest of Europe, the UK console software market is larger than both France and Germany combined, despite the UK population being just under 60 million with the other two countries at over 140 million.

That article is couple of years old (and actually by now European video game market is the largest in the world, only reason why it's not more significant is that it's not homogenous like US or Japanese markets, where you have only one major language on each), but if that ratio is still true, I'm almost ready to bet real money that PS3 did not sell 600,000 units.



EDIT: I think I might know where the 600,000 comes from. BBC is probably extrapolating it from the 165,000, using table such as this for basis.

If it's like that... well, then it pretty much would have had to break records in every country to reach 600,000, like I said earlier.



EDIT2: These are supposedly the numbers Sony claims for Europe:

From here.

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UK: 173k
France: 78k
Spain: 75k
Germany: 72k
Italy: 64k
Scandanavia: 52k
Other regions: 60k

Total: 574k

If you assume that Chart Track was correct with their 165,000 for UK, and apply similar "correction" to the rest of the numbers, it adds up to about 547,000. Which in turn apparently is about 55% of the supposedly reserved one million.

There are other strange things about the figures, as well. One way to interpret this article is that there were 40,000 PS3s reserved for Scandinavian launch... in which they supposedly sold 52,000. But technically it doesn't say anywhere in that article that that particular shipment would be the only one.

You might notice that I use word "supposedly" a lot, that's just because PS3 was supposed to do lots of things, but truth turned out to be stranger than fiction. I'd rather buy an used car from gypsy, than trust what Sony says. :P

Oh yeah, the PS3s on Ebay UK going for less than the list price is kinda amusing phenomena, too. Serves the scalpers right.

And oh yeah^2: I would like to congratulate European consumer for bending over and taking it up the ass for Sony. I hope you are happy with your choice, and I certainly think that you deserve what you got. :-D



EDIT3: Even those figures are estimates. And... well, you know what I think of Sony's estimates.
« Last Edit: 2007-03-29 02:00:33 by Jari »

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« Reply #37 on: 2007-03-29 08:47:08 »
God bless the BBC for their educated intelligence.