Author Topic: Big Mysteries of FF7 & More v2 (Read 58553 times)

Costa07 · « **Reply #25 on:** 2010-10-23 01:37:55 »

Quote from: InconspicuousHeart on 2010-10-23 01:21:46

I might as well give my insight.

Aeris's Death: When a player "dies" in combat, it is counted as K.O., which means knockout. So, the player is not actually dead, just unconscious. Thus, using a phoenix down would "revive" them. However, actual death...

Seto Stone: He's probably turned to stone completely from the inside out since he got hit by those arrows, and I'm pretty sure turning completely to stone from the inside out would effectively prevent the use of a soft. Plus, it's been a lot of years since he turned to stone, so using one may not work anymore.

Zack's death: The FF7 group does get hit by a lot of crap, but Zack was gunned down by what looked like an army of Shinra soldiers, as well as helicopters and missiles (I think that's how it played out in Crisis core, it's been a while since i played). Cloud and the gang, i assume, play out their various battles not by standing in one place, but actually moving around, attacking the creatures. Zack was surrounded by an army of guys, having bullets rained down upon him.

Cloud getting stabbed: ... it hit an empty spot...

Shera in the Rocket: uhhh........ Fairies?

There, that's what I got. Tear it apart if you wish, I don't mind. If it don't make sense, I blame my ADHD and lack of ability in explaining crap. The last two parts I didn't give enough of a crap to write anything about, cause it's dinner time.

Aeris, Zack, and Seto sound about right as for Shera you got a point she could of just climbed in the escape pod the first time. So that's probably what she did since she had time to think about the first incident and wonder what she could of did. As for Cloud he was emotional he just lost his friends and town. He was filled with rage and adrenaline, people do amazing things while they got adrenaline pumping
through their body.

Quote from: Just Plain Covarr on 2010-10-23 01:29:27

That seems reasonable. And of course, if they all get KO'd, it is safe to assume they'd die anyway.

Although, monsters never attack or attempt to gobble down'd allies.
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Ruby weapon doesn't technically gobble them down but he does use quick sand to remove them maybe he was gonna gobble them later?

drfeelgud88 · « **Reply #26 on:** 2010-10-23 01:46:51 »

You guys forgot to mention that Zack was pretty much outta it and weakened by the experiments that were being brought onto him.

xLostWingx · « **Reply #27 on:** 2010-10-23 02:26:18 »

These are sound like rational explanations. The only thing is that we kind of have to assume that there are multiple versions of the characters. Yeah realistically speaking (about a video game

) Cloud could have gotten lucky with that stabbing, however if we look at character stats we see that it is impossible for Cloud to survive an attack by Sephiroth. Now if Cloud had some off Aeris Limit Breaks and he was emotional and aderenalized then it may make sense. This concept applies to all the questions regarding 'status' and 'life/death'.

Quote from: Costa07 on 2010-10-23 01:37:55

Ruby weapon doesn't technically gobble them down but he does use quick sand to remove them maybe he was gonna gobble them later?

If thats the case then maybe all of the monsters are choosing to just gobble them down later they just don't try to eat your team while still engaged in battle. Sorry i know it was a joke.

Quote from: drfeelgud88 on 2010-10-23 01:46:51

You guys forgot to mention that Zack was pretty much outta it and weakened by the experiments that were being brought onto him.

That is perhaps the most important point about Zack dying.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #28 on:** 2010-10-23 02:34:35 »

Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-10-23 00:11:56

Zack dying from gunfire, Red XIII not using a Soft on Seto, Cloud not using a Phoenix Down on Aerith... I guess you could say that what happens on the field doesn't follow the same rules as what happens in battle.

The laws of battle are different yes, but Phoenix down (Phoenix Tail) does not cure death, it cures Knock Out.

The Seer of Shadows · « **Reply #29 on:** 2010-10-23 02:38:04 »

Quote from: drfeelgud88 on 2010-10-23 01:46:51

You guys forgot to mention that Zack was pretty much outta it and weakened by the experiments that were being brought onto him.

Well then, if we consider Crisis Core, how did he pull his act together in order to defeat Genesis?

One more thing - this time, about the Nibelheim incident.

Cloud remembers it as if he was Zack due to his identity mix-up. Tifa doesn't tell him that his story is all wrong because she knows something's up and she doesn't want to provoke whatever it is that's wrong with Cloud. Later, they work together to figure out what really happened, yada yada. That all makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that Tifa at first claims that Cloud wasn't there at all; that he didn't even witness the whole thing. But after she gets struck down by Sephiroth, Cloud tends to her and she clearly says something to him about the promise they made as children. Why doesn't she remember that? She remembers everything else perfectly well!

Mirenheart · « **Reply #30 on:** 2010-10-23 03:18:21 »

She had just gotten cut, and possibly lost a lot of blood from that. It may have cause a bit of amnesia for that period of time.

or maybe shes just fuxin nuts.

drfeelgud88 · « **Reply #31 on:** 2010-10-23 03:23:50 »

Wait wait wait a minute! When Cloud attended to help her, she was clearly knocked out... Wasn't she? That is how it happened in Crisis Core.

Zack was the one who saw and last spoke to Tifa before she completely knocked out. Then after that, Tifa must've knocked out and of course, Zack and Sephiroth engage in a heated battle. Cloud quickly rushes after recovering from Sephiroth's attacks on Nibelheim. Not too long, Zack eventually loses and takes a beat down from Sephiroth. Cloud then checks up on Tifa quickly, then Zack, and yeah, he sticks it to Sephiroth and blah blah blah.

Jaitsu · « **Reply #32 on:** 2010-10-23 03:42:13 »

she may also have just believed it to be a hallucination or a dream, sinse near death that stuff can happen (trust me on that one

). its also viable that the blood loss counted as amnesia as previousely said. my question is, throughout the game, how come they're constantly talking about cloud and zack looking similar when, to me, they look nothing alike at all, in any variation of the games.

Mirenheart · « **Reply #33 on:** 2010-10-23 03:45:16 »

Spiky hair stereotype.

xLostWingx · « **Reply #34 on:** 2010-10-23 04:05:08 »

Phoenix Downs cure Knock out, alrite, but shouldn't Life/Life2 cure death? Angel Whispering in her ear maybe? Sure you don't have it at the time, but the Life spells surely are opposite of death. Tifa not remembering Cloud could be due to the blood loss/amnesia, or due to psychological effects. Cloud blocked out a hge portion of his own memory, surely Tifa can block out one event.

The Seer of Shadows · « **Reply #35 on:** 2010-10-23 04:09:41 »

I think Cloud and Zack do look slightly similar. I don't think the resemblance has been dramatized that much either.

Something new! And also kind of minor.

When President Rufus showed up at Rocket Town to say "GIVE MEH TEH TINY BRONCO! NAO!!", Cloud was right there, listening to the whole thing and being totally overt about it. How did Rufus not notice him there? If he did, then surely he would've ordered his men to detain him.

Jaitsu · « **Reply #36 on:** 2010-10-23 04:12:46 »

Quote from: The Seer of Shadows on 2010-10-23 04:09:41

I think Cloud and Zack do look slightly similar. I don't think the resemblance has been dramatized that much either.

Something new! And also kind of minor.

When President Rufus showed up at Rocket Town to say "GIVE MEH TEH TINY BRONCO! NAO!!", Cloud was right there, listening to the whole thing and being totally overt about it. How did Rufus not notice him there? If he did, then surely he would've ordered his men to detain him.

considering how easy it is to beat him and he's using a gun, maybe he's near sighted

xLostWingx · « **Reply #37 on:** 2010-10-23 04:14:01 »

lol, I don't think there is any explaining that. Only explanation might be that they simply don't care about Cloud and friends now that Cait Sith is permanently with you. Palmer mentions something, but doesn't follow up on it at all. He is more concerned with lard in his tea. So....next mystery, how does Palmer survive to his age having been drinking lad in his tea all the time?

DLPB_ · « **Reply #38 on:** 2010-10-23 04:15:59 »

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:05:08

Phoenix Downs cure Knock out, alrite, but shouldn't Life/Life2 cure death? Angel Whispering in her ear maybe? Sure you don't have it at the time, but the Life spells surely are opposite of death. Tifa not remembering Cloud could be due to the blood loss/amnesia, or due to psychological effects. Cloud blocked out a hge portion of his own memory, surely Tifa can block out one event.

The name is derived from the poor translation. The actual spells are called Rise and Araise. They also cure knock out

There is no life and life 2.

Life 1 > ライズ > Raizu > Rise
Life 2 > アレイズ > Areizu > Araise

xLostWingx · « **Reply #39 on:** 2010-10-23 04:18:56 »

That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate. So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed. Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp. Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #40 on:** 2010-10-23 04:20:44 »

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:18:56

That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate. So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed. Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp. Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.

Cloud has Jenova cells and is not an ordinary human (Sephiroth is surprised to see Cloud does not die as well). Aerith is an ordinary human (at least in terms of physical fitness) and was stabbed through the chest. It has nothing to do with battle mechanics, it is the story

Jaitsu · « **Reply #41 on:** 2010-10-23 04:22:19 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2010-10-23 04:20:44

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:18:56
That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate. So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed. Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp. Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.

Cloud has Jenova cells and is not an ordinary human. Aerith is an ordinary human (at least in terms of physical fitness) and was stabbed through the chest, probably heart. It has nothing to do with battle mechanics, it is the story

not technically an ordinary human, but a cetra, however theres no evidence in the games to suggest the cetra were hardier people then normal humans, so the logic works itself out

xLostWingx · « **Reply #42 on:** 2010-10-23 04:23:21 »

Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet. I think they each should have died (not really). I know its the story

DLPB_ · « **Reply #43 on:** 2010-10-23 04:24:18 »

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:23:21

Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet. I think they each should have died (not really). I know its the story

Cloud did have Jenova Cells. He was part of the Jenova project by Hojo. Considered a failed "copy" and not given a tattoo.

Covarr · « **Reply #44 on:** 2010-10-23 04:24:41 »

Quote from: JaitsuStudios on 2010-10-23 04:22:19

Quote from: DLPB on 2010-10-23 04:20:44
Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:18:56
That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate. So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed. Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp. Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.

Cloud has Jenova cells and is not an ordinary human. Aerith is an ordinary human (at least in terms of physical fitness) and was stabbed through the chest, probably heart. It has nothing to do with battle mechanics, it is the story

not technically an ordinary human, but a cetra, however theres no evidence in the games to suggest the cetra were hardier people then normal humans, so the logic works itself out

Ordinary humans are just Cetra gone fail. Biologically, they're pretty much the same. Pretty much.

Jaitsu · « **Reply #45 on:** 2010-10-23 04:25:23 »

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:23:21

Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet. I think they each should have died (not really). I know its the story

we do to, my theory is that, sinse cloud was constantly around people WITH jenova cells, perhaps it acted someone as a duplicating symbiote and small bits transferred to him over time, not enough to make him a soldier (yet), but enough to make him a bit tougher than your average cowgirl MMA-style boxing tifa or your.... flower girl :p

xLostWingx · « **Reply #46 on:** 2010-10-23 04:26:49 »

Quote from: DLPB on 2010-10-23 04:24:18

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 04:23:21
Cloud didn't have Jenova cells yet. I think they each should have died (not really). I know its the story

Cloud did have Jenova Cells. He was part of the Jenova project by Hojo. Considered a failed "copy" and not given a tattoo.

Is that what the other FFVII games said? idk. I didn't think Cloud was part of the Jenova Project until after the Nibelheim incident. He was wounded by Sephs sword then he and Zack got picked up by Shinra, Then Hojo experimented on them, and that is the point at which Cloud became a 'failed clone'.

DLPB_ · « **Reply #47 on:** 2010-10-23 04:31:18 »

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Is that what the other FFVII games said? idk.

Yes, it is what you learn in the mansion as well as various texts. It is also what Ultimania states.

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I didn't think Cloud was part of the Jenova Project until after the Nibelheim incident.

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He was wounded by Sephs sword then he and Zack got picked up by Shinra, Then Hojo experimented on them, and that is the point at which Cloud became a 'failed clone'.

Looking at it again, you may be right... it may have taken place afterwards. If that's the case... then basically sh*t happens

Actually yes you are right, he experiments on the towns survivors...

Cloud is obviously one tough son of a bitch or the cutscene is probably overdone and out of context for what is supposed to have happened. Who knows.

xLostWingx · « **Reply #48 on:** 2010-10-23 05:20:15 »

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I guess we say te answer is "Cloud survived for dramatic effect dammit!" For a second I almost had to rethink my entire understanding of FFVII lol *so that sh*t Seph said in whirlwind maze was in fact the truth and all else is a lie ?!#?!$?!$?@%?@*

What are some other mysteries...So the Stone Seto was completely petrified save for a few small tears? Or were those tears like...crystals...? And jeez, when you are in Gongaga do Aeris and Tifa BOTH really have to go silent when you speak with Zack's parents? C'mon they could at least be like "Yeah Cloud, we were gonna tell you this, but you're f*cked up in the head, remember a guy named Zack? He was a pretty big part of your life." or "You know Zack too?"

How did Lost Number fit in the Nibelheim safe?

Mirenheart · « **Reply #49 on:** 2010-10-23 05:45:23 »

Quote from: xLostWingx on 2010-10-23 05:20:15

How did Lost Number fit in the Nibelheim safe?

Cloud ignored the "do not add water" label....