Thank you greatly for all this information(especially the part about the magic gate having a suicide mechanism, never would have thought of that). As for the buffer overflow, it may not be a rumor, its a physics law that for every action there is an exact and opposite reaction, thus ANYTHING can be hacked =). Thank you though, I may just end up removin the HDD and mounting it, once i get up the nerve that is heheh, i am a lil poor, can't afford more then on PS2 heheh... ah well Thank you Greatly for you help