Is It Realistic?

[Prince Lex]

Your reasoning is flawed. Of course it relies on realistic features and elements, but much the rest is unrealistic. Magic, for example. Wearing the same outfits everyday for the entire game. An alien called Jenova. You mentioned (yet again, you told me "I would think") gravity and how unrealistic it would be for characters to be flying around with no explanation. Did you see Advent Children?

Yuffie's outfit shows only very slightly less skin than Tifa's does. No one goes on about how slutty she is. I'm of the opinion that it would be unrealistic for Tifa NOT to have big boobs. If all three female playable characters had tiny mosquito bites, would that really be an accurate representation of the feminine population? Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

I must be rare then, either that or you make assumptions about everyone elses judgement based on your own reasoning. What is it about this situation that makes you totally unable to accept a viewpoint that does not completely echo your own?

In short - its not realistic. But that was not my original point. My original point was that I didn't see Tifa as slutty and that I opposed any attempt to change her. I like her the way she is. I have no problem with the way she is.

[DLPB_]

Yuffie's outfit shows only very slightly less skin than Tifa's does. No one goes on about how slutty she is.

Yuffie wears shorts and a proper top.  She does not wear a ridicukously short skirt, she has not been made to have ridiculously large breasts,  and her dress is nowhere near as bad as tifas.  She is not shown in provacative FMV.  She is not singled out for a very good reason.  She doesn't look anywhere near as bad as Tifa.

I'm of the opinion that it would be unrealistic for Tifa NOT to have big boobs.

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Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

That doesn't really deserve an answer.  Realism matters in any story or it wouldn;t be a good story.  There are always set laws.  The excuse "it is just a video game"  is a very poor argument.  If aerith was able to get up after Sephirioths stab we would all shout cop out and rightly so.  The idea that anything can happen in a story and it doesn't matter is only true if you like crap story.

In short - its not realistic.

That was the question asked.

[Jari]

It is a logical assumption.   It doesn't require any proof because it is totally logical.  We have been brought up with 2 eyes in our heads and common knowledge.  if a girl like Tifa walked about the streets she would be assumed as a hooker/pro.  That really isn't in question here.

Yes, it is in question. I'd be a) most happy to see female dressed like that b) curious about her reasons for the said outfit. But I wouldn't assume she's for sale, or even loose, for that matter. I would assume that she likes attention, yes, but that's not terribly uncommon or particularly bad.

[Prince Lex]

Not that being realistic matters, of course - because its a videogame.

That doesn't really deserve an answer.  Realism matters in any story or it wouldn;t be a good story.  There are always set laws.  The excuse "it is just a video game"  is a very poor argument.  If aerith was able to get up after Sephirioths stab we would all shout cop out and rightly so.  The idea that anything can happen in a story and it doesn't matter is only true if you like crap story.

I noticed you ignored the parts of my post you can't argue with. 

If it didn't deserve an answer, why did you give it one?

You should really learn to let other people have an opinion.

[MrAdults]

You've all been operating on a bit of a bad postulation here. After all, never has sexual intercourse between characters in the FF7 universe even been defined in an official work. It's unknown as to whether the characters even have human genitals. Perhaps they're entirely genderless, and babies are born when two people love each other and the lifestream blesses them with the gift of life. It's awfully hard to be a slut when you don't have genitals to abuse, you know. We just don't know!

After all, the Don seemed content to move in on all of his harlot victims while fully-clothed. From this, the only known precdent for a raw sexual advance, we would have to conclude that FF7 characters, if there is some form of intercourse implied, do engage in this intercourse without exposing any part of their so-called genitals. This would mean that a woman's sexuality would not at all be judged by the amount of skin she exposes.

Furthermore, did you see any knocked up teenagers or single women in Midgar? In the entire world of FF7? I know I didn't. In exploring an entire civilization, with rampant sexuality like this, there would surely be young women suffering at the hands of their own untempered lust. But there weren't any!

Of course, the actual, not-entirely-mocking point this brings about is - you cannot judge a character's character in a purely fantasy universe, with accepted social standards much different from real world social standards, by real world social standards. That would be dumb.

[V]

Women dress up like that all the time here. I don't see the big deal, apart from the fact that it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

Tifa is a barmaid, it's natural that she'd want to show a little skin. Helps with tips and such. Doesn't make her a slut, much less a hooker.

Also, Tifa is nowhere near the most skimpily dressed FF female, nor is she anywhere near the first to be at least that skimpily dressed. Rosa, Rydia, Terra, Celes, Selphie, Beatrix, Garnet, Yuna, Rikku, Lulu, Fran, Ashe, and Penelo have all been routinely depicted wearing less clothing, or more revealing clothing, than Tifa.

Finally, it's as close to canonically established as possible that Cloud and Tifa have sex under the Highwind, but that doesn't make either of them "sluts," given that they've been in love with each other since their childhood and have only just come to realise each other's mutual affection. Given that the planet, for all they know, is just about to be destroyed, it's pretty natural that they'd want to consummate their relationship.

[DLPB_]

it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?

[V]

Obviously because I have an aesthetic appreciation of the female form, I must be a "basic male."

[Jari]

it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?

I think you are the one they refer to as holier-than-thou?

[V]

Pretty typical really. I contribute constructively to a debate about FFVII and the only thing I get from him in return is a flame. And yet, according to him, we're the aggressors.

[obesebear]

You've all been operating on a bit of a bad postulation here. After all, never has sexual intercourse between characters in the FF7 universe even been defined in an official work. It's unknown as to whether the characters even have human genitals. Perhaps they're entirely genderless, and babies are born when two people love each other and the lifestream blesses them with the gift of life. It's awfully hard to be a slut when you don't have genitals to abuse, you know. We just don't know!

After all, the Don seemed content to move in on all of his harlot victims while fully-clothed. From this, the only known precdent for a raw sexual advance, we would have to conclude that FF7 characters, if there is some form of intercourse implied, do engage in this intercourse without exposing any part of their so-called genitals. This would mean that a woman's sexuality would not at all be judged by the amount of skin she exposes.

Furthermore, did you see any knocked up teenagers or single women in Midgar? In the entire world of FF7? I know I didn't. In exploring an entire civilization, with rampant sexuality like this, there would surely be young women suffering at the hands of their own untempered lust. But there weren't any!

Of course, the actual, not-entirely-mocking point this brings about is - you cannot judge a character's character in a purely fantasy universe, with accepted social standards much different from real world social standards, by real world social standards. That would be dumb.

This gave me a good chuckle, lol.  I never went around looking for the single mom's, but on my next playthrough I sure will.

it's really freaking nice to look at most of the time.

I think you are the one I referred to as basic males in my post above?

Once you've had at least two or three girlfriends you'll understand.   Please, V, there's no need for defending yourself here.

[DLPB_]

Why is that always the best comeback people have?  I have been in 3 long term relationships and I understand maturity...you obviously don't because you are wanking over Tifa.

[V]

I haven't fapped to video game characters for at least five years. Try again.

[MrAdults]

I hope it was at least concept art. 5 years ago, character triangle counts were still so low. Most games couldn't even do hardware-accelerated vertex skinning. What a turn-off.

[Ryushikaze]

She isn't your tifa.  She is a character which all of us have a view on and it is wrong that the first view someone will have of her is that of a tart.  Now you can choose to believe otherwise but it is complete common sense when you look at her dress and stature.  I can guarentee you that your first thought when you saw her was "my god shes a bit slutty".

Not in the slightest. In fact, it never even came up once during the game. In fact, my first thought about her appearance was 'Yep, she looks like a lego, same as the others' and my first thought regarding her FMV appearance enjoyed what I was looking at, but I did not think her a slut for it.
And

The dress of a person overwhemlingly tells a character and a person of Tifa's personality would not walk around a world all the time with that dress,

You still act like the outfit, a skirt and a sleeveless top are somehow objectionable.
And no, the shirt does not 'show as much as possibe', it doesn't show anything.

Her skirt is, as I've said several times now, one of the longest FF females in the habit of wearing non floor length dresses/ skirts wears.

I'm curious how the angles of the FMV make her a slut. Does the camera giving us a deliberate view of Selphie's panties in FMV and often during battle make her a slut?

And there are plenty of women who defend her outfit to, not seeing anything objectionable about it at all.

It's a Tank Top, Pencil mini, suspenders, a belt, and some heavy boots. Seriously, what is slutty about any of that?

[V]

You jerk of to 3D models? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAhahaahahhahahahhahaAHHHAHAHAHAHA
That deserved a laugh...I can model a nice FF7 character model if you want. How do you want her to look...pathetic..that is like jerking of to one of my speakers...

Incidentally, who is this post directed at? I don't think anyone has ever claimed to jerk off to 3d models. Unless I'm missing something.

[V]

I'm quite sure you'll note that that post explicitly says that I no longer do that, and haven't for at least five years. And more importantly, where does it say anything about anyone fapping to character models? As MrAdults pointed out, character models are hardly the only representation of video game characters out there.

[MrAdults]

Speaking of social intuition and sensibility... mentioning you used to jerk off to videogame characters on a forum with people you don't really know, usually in the "less than great idea" category. Not that I personally judge, but, you know.

As a side note, taking this debate seriously is totally insane. But I suppose it bleeds into something a bit more serious, the nature of the character personality. But as many people have pointed out, the Tifa personality doesn't fit a slut outfit - but it isn't a slut outfit. Because you can't judge it by real world social standards.

[V]

So you did jerk of to this image?

nope, try again

Speaking of social intuition and sensibility... mentioning you used to jerk off to videogame characters on a forum with people you don't really know, usually in the "less than great idea" category.

If I particularly cared what people thought of the person I was five years ago, I wouldn't have done it :p

[guitar_dudester91]

As a side note, taking this debate seriously is totally insane. But I suppose it bleeds into something a bit more serious, the nature of the character personality. But as many people have pointed out, the Tifa personality doesn't fit a slut outfit - but it isn't a slut outfit. Because you can't judge it by real world social standards.

Agreement, its starting to get a bit too serious. * Throws in the towel *

Anyways, video games are like cartoons. Very rarely are they even the slightest bit realistic, until recently with SOCOM esque games. So it just depends on a person's opinion sometimes.

And where did this veer off into a conversation about Tifa being slutty? Why would anybody think that? It's like a love triangle romance that brings a sort of sadness to the fact the AERIS dies and Cloud is depressed so he won't be with Tifa. I didn't think his impression was " Hey Tifa, wanna fuck you slutty bitch you?".

Maybe I'm wrong?

[The Seer of Shadows]

AERIS

Was that really necessary?  This is a different argument.

[Yuffie_Lover]

to be politically correct
it is now

Aeris/Aerith



jking

[The Seer of Shadows]

By the way, you stated on the first page of this thread that Tifa is one of your favorite characters.  But your username is Yuffie_Lover.  So I'm guessing she's higher up on your list of favorite characters.  It gets me wondering... where is Aerith on that list?

That was off-topic, I'm sorry.

I personally never saw Tifa as a slut.  When I first saw her in the game, she was so blocky (just like everyone else) so her clothing wasn't something I noticed right away.  I got to like her for her personality pretty early in the game, and by the time I realized exactly what she was wearing, it didn't affect my impression of her because I already knew her to be anything but a slut.

But I do think her slight appearance change in Advent Children was an improvement.  I don't know why, but they made her look like some sort of babysitter, which was basically a part of her role in the movie (looking after Marlene and Denzel).  I also found that I prefered her black, waist-length hair over her old, brown hair that could almost touch the ground.

[guitar_dudester91]

he he well you know that was actually a very assholish thing to do, and it wasn't necessary. Sorry lol.

And yes Yuffie lover, i suppose Aeris/Aerith could work, and I shouldn't bring up topics that the admins felt necessary to close. So apologies.

And I did argue my point, not just throw in here and make a mess.

[Yuffie_Lover]

my favorites are
Yuffie
Cloud (dissidia*original* look is my favorite)
Tifa
Aeris
 The Turks as  whole (elena, Tseng, reeve, Rufus, rude, reno.)