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Kudistos Megistos

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You know what else grinds my gears?
« on: 2010-04-03 03:18:33 »
When fanboys argue over which game's hero/villain would win in a fight in debates over which is the best character or, worse still, which is the best game.

Arguing over who would win in a fight between characters from different games isn't inherently stupid (although the arguments are often made in a profoundly retarded way, not taking into account that there are different rules in different fictional universes and the source of one character's power might not exist in the universe of a different game). However, that is not what angers me. What angers me is "would win in a fight" being taken to mean "better hero/villain". I see this a lot in FF6 vs FF7 debates, but it happens with other games too.

Do these people have any idea how stupid this is? Judging a hero villain by his strength or the destruction he causes? That's what a five-year-old would do. Anyone can think of a character who is ridiculously powerful; it doesn't take much creativity or imagination to do that. What is more important is how the story is told and how the hero or villain is characterised. The game's creators' ability to tell stories and create drama is what makes a character good.

To give an example, according to the logic that fanboys use in these arguments, The Matrix is better than the Iliad. After all, Neo is stronger than Achilles and Agent Smith is stronger than Hector, therefore Neo is a better hero than Achilles and Agent Smith is a better villain than Hector. Fuck all this faggot shit about Homer being better at creating characters and telling a better story, what matters is who would win in a fight! :D

It's not just the Iliad that is inferior either; Hamlet is even worse. Think about how easily Neo could kill Prince Hamlet and how easily Agent Smith could kill King Claudius. It's obvious who's the better dramatist; Shakespeare's characters are crap compared to those of the great Wachowski brothers. They can't even destroy the planet Earth! ;D

BTW, I've been doing some research on who is the strongest character in any video game ever made, and have come to a conclusion about what is the best game evar!

Scroll down to see ;D












































That's right kids! Think about all of the powers that Superman has. It's clear that this makes him the best character ever and makes Superman 64 the best game ever! ;)

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #1 on: 2010-04-03 03:38:49 »
Trollbait

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #2 on: 2010-04-03 03:40:59 »
Trollbait

Me? Baiting trolls? I would never do a thing like that ;D

Well, it's just something that annoys me about fanboy arguments; it certainly wasn't intended as trollbait :P

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #3 on: 2010-04-03 03:57:06 »
I suppose the logic behind "Kefka could kill Sephiroth, therefore Kefka is better" (as often encountered in FF6 vs. FF7 debates) is that what makes those two really stand out as characters to them is the destruction they cause.  Many people see a character's awesome power and that character immediately becomes their favorite (because supernatural powers and world destruction equals total awesomeness).  Maybe I'm misjudging these people, but that sort of thing is something I can sort of relate to.

I don't care so much about the FF6/FF7 arguments.  I guess I must've warmed up to Kefka.  I still think that FF7 is the superior game with the superior antagonist, but I won't ridicule FF6 fans unless they say something utterly invalid (such as Kefka did everything without any help while Sephiroth had everyone serving him - that isn't even remotely true).

One particular fanboy argument that simply drives me insane is people pitching Sephiroth against Ganondorf.  Sure, I'm bound to be biased for the former, but as a character (and as a cliché), the "Great King of Evil" is miles wide of the realm of awesomeness (or whatever you want to call it).

And besides, I mean... just look at him!


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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #4 on: 2010-04-03 04:03:43 »
Ganon can only be defeated by the Master Sword.  The Master Sword can only be wielded by a Hyrulian or Hyrulian descendant of specific blood.

/debate

Also, I never got past the tutorial level in Superman

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #5 on: 2010-04-03 04:18:51 »
Oh right.  Certain weapons being specific to certain characters.  Stupid destiny >:(

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #6 on: 2010-04-03 05:30:45 »
Clearly, the best characters are the sneakiest characters. Batman, Solid Snake, etc.

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« Reply #7 on: 2010-04-03 05:35:04 »
Clearly, the best characters are the sneakiest characters. Batman, Solid Snake, etc.

There may actually be some truth to that ;D

Batman also allows one to give an example of why "would win in a fight = better" is wrong; Batman is a much better hero than Superman, n'est-ce pas? I think he's far more popular. But Superman is more powerful. Does that mean Superman is the better hero? Hell no! ;D

There may be another simple way to determine which characters, and therefore which games, are best: look at how much they smoke :P

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #8 on: 2010-04-03 06:15:14 »
I dunno kudi... the whole my hero is stronger than your villain has a lot of money behind it... i mean seriously.....


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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #9 on: 2010-04-03 07:06:12 »
See now I would argue that the story behind FF7 is much greater than that of 6. Aeris alone makes anybody who has there heart in the game wanna cry. I look at the relationships between characters, not how strong they are. I suppose you could argue that I am biased based on my experience of the game, but still, i think the story is greater than anything, as previously stated.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #10 on: 2010-04-03 15:19:48 »
Ganon can only be defeated by the Master Sword.  The Master Sword can only be wielded by a Hyrulian or Hyrulian descendant of specific blood.

/debate

Also, I never got past the tutorial level in Superman
There is no tutorial level. That's what the whole game is like.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #11 on: 2010-04-03 21:16:06 »
Just though I'd share my favorite argument .."drumroll"









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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #12 on: 2010-04-03 21:36:30 »
Goku has no kryptonite.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #13 on: 2010-04-03 21:42:50 »
Goku has no kryptonite.
Yes he does. It's called naiveté.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #14 on: 2010-04-03 22:04:00 »
It's not naivety, it's called honor ;D

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #15 on: 2010-04-03 23:12:41 »
Just though I'd share my favorite argument .."drumroll"




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There's plenty of empirical evidence to prove that Superman is about 50 times more powerful than Goku.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #16 on: 2010-04-03 23:18:36 »
There's plenty of empirical evidence to prove that Superman is about 50 times more powerful than Goku.

Oh yeah? Well what's the scanner say about his power level?

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #17 on: 2010-04-03 23:29:23 »
Goku was able able to take down an entire army when he was 14, what was superman doing then?

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #18 on: 2010-04-04 01:39:29 »
Goku was able able to take down an entire army when he was 14, what was superman doing then?
Superman was busy only being weak to kryptonite, everything else is a cakewalk.  No kryptonite = you lose.   Same with Ganon.. no master sword = you lose.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #19 on: 2010-04-04 03:00:24 »
Goku was able able to take down an entire army when he was 14, what was superman doing then?

This is exactly why this topic was created, you know. I'm not going to get into a debate on HOW superman is better than Goku in a topic that is made EXPRESSLY to say it's irritating.






BECAUSE IT IS!!!

Superman was busy only being weak to kryptonite, everything else is a cakewalk.  No kryptonite = you lose.   Same with Ganon.. no master sword = you lose.

Same thing here. Don't feed the fanboys.

Besides, everyone knows that Apocalypse is the most powerful being in any universe. The only way he'd die is if he willed his body to stop regenerating. :P

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #20 on: 2010-04-04 03:17:50 »
LIES!!! shenron is the most powerful being in the universe !!! :P

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #21 on: 2010-04-04 04:08:57 »
Besides, everyone knows that Apocalypse is the most powerful being in any universe. The only way he'd die is if he willed his body to stop regenerating. :P
Ok how about this one...

Apocalypse or Dr. Manhattan

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #22 on: 2010-04-04 04:39:56 »
Goku was able able to take down an entire army when he was 14, what was superman doing then?
Superman was busy only being weak to kryptonite, everything else is a cakewalk.  No kryptonite = you lose.   Same with Ganon.. no master sword = you lose.

Not entirely factual. I seem to remember doomsday gave him a good old fashioned ass beating. Enough that supes died. Doomstay did too but that is irrelevant.

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #23 on: 2010-04-04 05:24:47 »
Not entirely factual. I seem to remember doomsday gave him a good old fashioned ass beating. Enough that supes died. Doomstay did too but that is irrelevant.
Actually, I forgot that without a yellow sun he is basically powerless.  So unless Goku comes here he'd lose.  Also, wasn't Doomsday infused with kryptonite or something like that?  Idk I never really followed the series :/

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Re: You know what else grinds my gears?
« Reply #24 on: 2010-04-04 07:17:01 »
If all those characters were thrown into the movie "X Men: The Last Stand", Jean Grey would destroy them all.