What truly happened in Nibelheim??

[ultima espio]

Why wasn't Genesis or Angeal mentioned in Final Fantasy VII or Advent Children?

The only characters that knew of them were either dead, or not seen much. Besides, why would they need to be mentioned?

[DarkFang]

Why wasn't Genesis or Angeal mentioned in Final Fantasy VII or Advent Children?

The only characters that knew of them were either dead, or not seen much. Besides, why would they need to be mentioned?

Angeal was the original owner of the Buster Sword.
Genesis was at the Neibelheim Mako Reactor when Sephiroth went crazy.

Cloud knew and saw Genesis. I can't really remember where he saw him though.

[obesebear]

Cloud only saw Genesis when he had severe mako poisoning, and never saw Angeal

[DarkFang]

Cloud only saw Genesis when he had severe mako poisoning, and never saw Angeal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IFlfuKJBmE

This was before the effects of Mako poisoning.

Another question, why wasn't Hollander mentioned at all?

[obesebear]

Good point.  Your Crisis Core knowledge is apparently superior to mine.

Therefore, to answer your question about Angeal, Genesis, and Hollander

Spoiler: show

Crisis Core was created some 10 years after the original FF7 was released.  New characters were created and squeezed into the story

[DarkFang]

Even if Cloud never saw Genesis or Angeal, he would have known them from Zack's memories.

But I guess I'll leave it at that.

[obesebear]

He didn't get all of Zack's memories.   A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.

As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.

[DarkFang]

He didn't get all of Zack's memories.   A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.

As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.

That part was really sad for me. I could feel my eyes watering up during the last moments of Crisis Core. Yes, go ahead call me a pussy.

[nikfrozty]

But I wonder how Cloud managed to stab Sephiroth when Zack couldn't defeat him to obliteration. Well at least Sephiroth's been injured for Cloud to stab. Maybe he has the strength to be 1st Class Soldier after all.

[Roxas]

http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.png
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png

This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt

http://i.imagehost.org/dl/9ac1313c3424e1845f8d9c62b5217b94/0857/nibelheim_past-new.gif

Animated gif, transitioning between the past/current Nibelheim, easy to spot the differences.

It is interesting that the Manor didn't catch fire (or at least hadn't at that point, and if it did then the damage must have been minor).

[nikfrozty]

http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nibelheim.png
http://ff7.fr/screen/nibelheim.png

This might be of some relevance. I hadn't noticed it until recently, when Espio showed me.
The games uses 2 different renders of nibelheim, one before and one after it was rebuilt

http://i.imagehost.org/dl/9ac1313c3424e1845f8d9c62b5217b94/0857/nibelheim_past-new.gif

Animated gif, transitioning between the past/current Nibelheim, easy to spot the differences.

It is interesting that the Manor didn't catch fire (or at least hadn't at that point, and if it did then the damage must have been minor).

Thanks for that I can actually see the main difference is the texture of the houses.

[obesebear]

He didn't get all of Zack's memories.   A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.

As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.

That part was really sad for me. I could feel my eyes watering up during the last moments of Crisis Core. Yes, go ahead call me a pussy.

Nah, not at all.  It was extremely well done.   I already really enjoyed the game, the ending just made it even better.

[nikfrozty]

He didn't get all of Zack's memories.   A good example is him not recognizing Aerith at the beginning of the game nor when he fell through the roof of the church.
It's been explained somewhere before, but a more accurate representation of what happened is some of Zack's and some of Cloud's memories were meshed together, but definitely not all.

As a side note I just want to say that the way the DMW played into the ending was purely genius.

That part was really sad for me. I could feel my eyes watering up during the last moments of Crisis Core. Yes, go ahead call me a pussy.

Don't worry about it dude. That part made me sad but the part that kind of made me cry was when the letter was flying and when Tseng have all Zack's letters and Aerith didn't know what happened to Zack. Kinda liked the idea that Zack was coming home to Aerith but was killed in his attempt to save Cloud. "sad"

[Jaitsu]

i shed tears, my brother practically balled his eyes out.

it was a great ending in crisis core, and for what its worth, it was one of the most well done endings i had seen in a very long time

[Furzball]

I started tearing up in a van full of people. Talk about embarassing.